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[11:57:44]<V1ntage>maybe a stupid question, but does adding platforms to Aegir make your sites slower?
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[13:52:30]<V1ntage>anyone knows whether it's safe to develop a site locally, and then just overwrite the platform it's hosted on (it's the only site on that platform)
[13:52:42]<V1ntage>I mean, say, I have a custom module
[13:52:54]<V1ntage>and then update the module by overwriting it in the platform
[13:52:57]<V1ntage>is that ok?
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[15:15:22]<CIA-24>aegir/provision: omega8cc * rce080aedcec2 /platform/provision_drupal_settings.tpl.php: Allow local.settings.php to override global.inc to make it usable. (Grace)
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[20:50:16]<bertodsera>Hi! after moving to php5.3 I get loads of "strtotime() [function.strtotime]: It is not safe to rely on the system's timezone settings." warnings. Is there anything I should do?
[20:56:29]<mig5>move back to php 5.2? :)
[20:56:37]<mig5>dunno
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[20:57:54]<mig5>yes we use strtotime a fair bit in the frontend
[20:58:11]<mig5>feel free to replace it with whatever is php 5.3's suggestion and send us a patch
[20:58:16]<mig5>(I Have no idea)
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[20:59:32]<mig5>reow
[21:01:23]<simesy>ha, did you see the guy who dunked himself?
[21:01:48]<mig5>no
[21:01:52]<simesy>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eF3n1xL9uc&feature=player_embedded
[21:02:05]<simesy>sorry for off-topic if anything serious was going on
[21:02:36]<mig5>jesus christ
[21:02:40]<mig5>that doesn't even seem deliberate
[21:02:43]<mig5>ffffuuuuck
[21:03:04]<simesy>hehe. no i think not
[21:03:36]<mig5>awesome
[21:07:16]<simesy>my client keeps wanting me onsite in mulgrave but he knows I don't have a laptop. i don't gets it
[21:08:02]<mig5>maybe he wants to give you one
[21:08:06]<bertodsera>mig5: I'll have a look at it
[21:08:09]<mig5>you lost me at 'mulgrave'
[21:08:20]<mig5>why would anyone want to go there
[21:10:08]<simesy>he has a T40 I can borrow and run linux on it, but he hasn't found the power for it.
[21:10:37]<simesy>mig5: i'm still trying to get *you* there for a day
[21:17:03]<mig5>O RLY
[21:17:08]<mig5>oh yeah i forgot about that
[21:17:18]<mig5>so glad i have my laptop back
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[21:23:38]<simesy>yu
[21:23:51]<simesy>ignore that
[21:24:04]<mig5>done
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[22:04:24]<AntiNSA>I cant get through to chive even though I can get to the login page. Anyone know the file that stores the password chive is looking for and the other login info?
[22:05:07]<mig5>no idea what chive is
[22:05:35]<AntiNSA>ah hey mig thank you for your great work. Trying to use omeggas script
[22:06:25]<AntiNSA>I was going to just use Aegir, but from what I understand omgas has all the caching and fine tuned server improvements built in and the standard Aegir is just a vanilla version with no enhancements?
[22:06:46]<mig5>yeah the omega stuff uses nginx which is arguably more memory-efficient
[22:06:53]<mig5>i've never used it
[22:07:24]<AntiNSA>So when you run your aegir, it just runs on a normal wamp stack?
[22:07:43]<mig5>not wamp, aegir doesn't run on windows..
[22:07:45]<mig5>lamp
[22:08:02]<mig5>anyway, chive seems to be some sort of mysql UI thing
[22:08:14]<mig5>presumably you need the mysql root user/pass
[22:08:18]<mig5>never used it though
[22:08:26]<AntiNSA>arguabbly... the thing is there is so much included with their scipt I dotn know what has the most overhead. I need some optimization, my site was mad power hungry... but I am finding that pantheon is having problems with some ajax stuff and filling in forms
[22:08:45]<AntiNSA>sorry
[22:09:05]<AntiNSA>I just know i am using apache2, not sure the terminology...
[22:09:12]<AntiNSA>I mean with my stock and pantheon
[22:09:23]<AntiNSA>I have linode split into three slices right now
[22:09:51]<AntiNSA>trying to findout the quickest most durable solution...
[22:10:20]<AntiNSA>trying to get the final site transferred into omegga
[22:10:40]<AntiNSA>I cant get chive to yet me in so I guess Ill just use the command line to import the database.
[22:11:26]<AntiNSA>Is it possible to transfer a site from an omegga aegir to a non-omegga aegir pretty simply?
[22:11:43]<AntiNSA>maybe I will try out the stock aegir,
[22:12:03]<AntiNSA>It uses no zend or apc or memcache/varnish?
[22:12:48]<mig5>nope
[22:13:23]<mig5>if you're uncomfortable with the cli and setting that stuff up manually maybe the stock aegir isn't for you
[22:13:35]<mig5>it might be faster to send omega8cc a support request or something re: chime
[22:13:57]<AntiNSA>when you personally use it to you think its better without caching I am finding that caching is so awesome in the pantheon I have going, but it seems to break the dynic part of drupal.....
[22:14:21]<mig5>well i've used pressflow + varnish etc and haven't had any huge problem with caching
[22:14:28]<mig5>but it's not for the faint of heart to get working right
[22:14:40]<AntiNSA>I posted to the group, let me see if I can do this without the chive.
[22:15:34]<AntiNSA>Im having a hard time finding a community with support to it.
[22:15:46]<AntiNSA>figuring it out slowly
[22:15:57]<AntiNSA>you guys are cutting edge.
[22:16:52]<AntiNSA>It seems errie how it feels like I am so late to the game. Like all the traffic on groups.drupal has seemed to dies over the last 5 months compared to the amount of posts earlier last year and years before
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[22:17:55]<AntiNSA>like around the time you made your video there was a lot more traffic
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[22:19:37]<AntiNSA>so can I ask one question of you; I know aegir is cool for its multisite distibutive capabilities... but say you are only hosint a single or maybe an extra dev site, are ther any speed/caching advantages to using the stock aegir of the stock 6.x core installation?
[22:20:19]<AntiNSA>I meant to say say that you are hosting only a single more maybe two sites....
[22:23:35]<AntiNSA>well if anyone knows Ill stay logged in untill china shuts me out..
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[23:02:23]<AntiNSA>I know how to set up new sites using different subdomains and the omegga aegir systerm, question: Using Linode, if I only have one DND address, but I have two site domains, thecenterofthenet.com and mancanthink.com is it very difficult to use the same server and share that IP? Is there a guide to using AEGIR for multiple non-sub domain use?
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[23:28:52]<simesy>AntiNSA: you can share an IP easily
[23:29:09]<simesy>aegir doesn't care about domains and subdomain differences, you just tell it the domain
[23:29:16]<simesy>your domain need to point at your IP that is all
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[23:33:15]<AntiNSA>hey
[23:33:15]<hefring>what's up
[23:33:42]<AntiNSA>so would I need to add it to my vhosts file too?
[23:34:21]<AntiNSA>damn adhd.. I am even thinking of making more than a site at once...
[23:34:26]<AntiNSA>sorry.
[23:35:37]<AntiNSA>how many people prefer the stock aegir to omegga?
[23:36:02]<AntiNSA>is there a huge performance difference?
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[00:36:02]<simesy>AntiNSA: i use stock aegir and tweak performance as best I can
[00:36:26]<simesy>AntiNSA: you specifically don't touch your vhosts files, aegir does that
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[00:55:07]<V1ntage>hey, omega8cc, quick question:
[00:55:24]<V1ntage>do you have any idea when support for Wordpress or custom PHP scripts will be available?
[00:55:37]<V1ntage>because, I actually want to buy a managed VPS on Omega8
[00:55:59]<V1ntage>but the lack of support for other platforms is what keeps me from making the switch
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[01:51:58]<omega8cc>AntiNSA: all your questions has been already answered in the github queue, since we *don't* use g.d.o or IRC for issues etc. so don't expects answers there, it has been already explained in the Nginx group and you can read it in the Nginx group header, so, in short: please read the readme, then follow submission guidelines and search our github queue first as duplicate requests will be ignored
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[01:54:41]<omega8cc>V1ntage: we don't offer standard VPS, we offer Drupal SaaS using Aegir, so no other systems are supported by definition, also, no idea when stuff like wordpress would be available in Aegir but I don't have any plans to introduce it, even if available, at least now (no plans)
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[01:55:39]<V1ntage>omega8cc: well ic, but it should be configurable using some custom nginx scripts, right? or does that involve too many security risks?
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[01:55:56]<V1ntage>omega8cc: I mean, security scripts in the user directory
[01:56:03]<V1ntage>sorry, config scripts
[01:56:53]<V1ntage>I was just wondering, since it's a vps after all
[01:57:36]<omega8cc>V1ntage: you can do that easily now, using Barracuda on your own VPS, no problem, there is alreadu configuration ready to support any popular cms, but you need to add your vhost manually in the system
[01:58:08]<V1ntage>omega8cc: oh, in that case, there's no problem :) I thought it was limited shell access only
[01:58:22]<omega8cc>V1ntage: our hosted system is tuned for Drupal only (for performance) but other systems should also run much faster
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[01:58:53]<V1ntage>omega8cc: ok, sounds promising :) I'll probably switch over when my current vps order expires then
[01:59:04]<omega8cc>V1ntage: security - it depends on your sysadmin skills when on your own vps
[01:59:45]<omega8cc>V1ntage: not sure if you understood me correctly
[02:00:22]<omega8cc>you can host any app on your own vps, using Barracuda, but you can't do that on our hosted service
[02:00:43]<V1ntage>omega8cc: ahh, ok, too bad
[02:00:58]<V1ntage>omega8cc: was looking for the best of both worlds
[02:01:00]<V1ntage>heh
[02:01:31]<AntiNSA>ok, is there a fax on github to describe any extra processes needed to install two different domain names which share the same IP Address? I have entered the info into my vhost file, and have updated my dns record, and with octopus installed and received the green arrow, but I cant see the new domain on my site whihc shares the same doman. Sub domains are ok, but I cant figure out why the second
[02:01:32]<AntiNSA>domain is not working which is not a subdomain
[02:02:24]<omega8cc>V1ntage: Barracuda is a simplified system for single server use (so far) but our hosted service is more advanced under the hood and Drupal SaaS only
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[02:03:46]<V1ntage>omega8cc: ic, well that's what I installed just yesterday. I understand that specialization comes with limitations as well. So in fact it's almost obvious it's Drupal only
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[02:04:19]<V1ntage>omega8cc: ok, I'll see what I can do to convert the existing sites to Drupal. If everything turns out well, I'll make the switch anyway
[02:05:43]<omega8cc>AntiNSA: sounds like you need basic DNS training but we (Aegir and also Barracuda) assume and require you know that already, basic sysadmin skill are required
[02:06:00]<omega8cc>skills*
[02:06:17]<AntiNSA>in my dns manager I have two domain zones, both master types, and in my single vhost file I have all domains/subdomains listed.
[02:06:45]<omega8cc>AntiNSA: if you have an issue and you can't find the solution in the github queuem please open new issue there
[02:06:59]<AntiNSA>ok.
[02:07:22]<AntiNSA>is there a non pro aegir irc room around here where we can talk about stuff like this?
[02:07:52]<AntiNSA>wowowowo
[02:07:54]<AntiNSA>ok it works
[02:07:59]<AntiNSA>I love you people
[02:08:02]<AntiNSA>yout the best
[02:08:39]<AntiNSA>I can tell you your new script iw working alot better than the one 1.5 months ago
[02:08:57]<AntiNSA>for a newbie like me on debian 5 linode it is soooo much smoother
[02:09:19]<AntiNSA>oh yeahI found an error Ill just tell you about right now that threw me off for a long time
[02:09:37]<omega8cc>AntiNSA: thanks, we are trying our best to make it easy
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[02:09:52]<AntiNSA>the octopus.sh file
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[02:10:10]<AntiNSA>in the _user and _domain section
[02:11:00]<AntiNSA>its ok it wanted to give me a user name of 01 , I changed that no problem, but it was always trying to put my user name in front of my domain. That took me hours to figure out why it was doing that
[02:11:15]<omega8cc>V1ntage: migration your sites to drupal is a good idea
[02:11:17]<AntiNSA>I ended up deleting the code in that _domain parameter
[02:11:33]<AntiNSA>and just entering the domain I wanted my octopus to be at.
[02:12:23]<V1ntage>AntiNSA: did the same, works like a charm. props to omega8cc :)
[02:12:24]<AntiNSA>that is something that your script didnt do a monthago, I dont know what the benefit is of automatically writing their user name as a subdomain of their domain adress. I think that must be an error
[02:12:26]<omega8cc>AntiNSA: yeah, by default it uses combined user + hostname to create subdomain
[02:12:50]<omega8cc>AntiNSA: but you can define it any way you wish
[02:13:25]<V1ntage>omega8cc: only problem I'm having now with an imported site is the following: "The database type '' is unsupported. Please use either 'mysql' or 'mysqli' for MySQL, or 'pgsql' for PostgreSQL databases.."
[02:14:50]<AntiNSA>I am right now importing a database to try a site transfer, Ill tell you how that goes. For some reason chive does not accept any password or login... I cant find which config file is storing the password and login it is looking for so I did what you recommended omegga and made the database per cli
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[02:15:20]<V1ntage>AntiNSA: the password for MySQL was set when installing Barracuda. It was on screen
[02:15:28]<omega8cc>AntiNSA: re: subdomain - this is by design, but we assume you can read and configure the script settings before running it
[02:15:39]<AntiNSA>I tried entering the password gaven to me durring the octopus install and it wont connect to the database... however the command line accepts the log in info I am providing.
[02:16:04]<V1ntage>omega8cc: do you have any idea why it doesn't find the database settings? the import worked in aegir, but the site shows the offline page with the error
[02:16:10]<omega8cc>it has been answered 3x in the github queue
[02:16:23]<omega8cc>re: chive login
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[02:16:31]<V1ntage>yeah chive login should work just fine
[02:16:32]<AntiNSA>I think it is just misleading a little.. I mean I was thinking since I used a wildcard domain I could let it be whatever it wanted. But not so
[02:16:52]<AntiNSA>I searched git for every post conting the word chive
[02:16:54]<V1ntage>AntiNSA: in the Barracuda install, it said you had to login without a password, and then set it with the password given
[02:16:56]<AntiNSA>and database
[02:17:00]<AntiNSA>I read every post.
[02:17:14]<omega8cc>AntiNSA: search for "login"
[02:17:14]<AntiNSA>thats what I used.
[02:17:34]<AntiNSA>I am using the default login provided.
[02:17:39]* V1ntage is trying to find why the imported site does not find the database config
[02:17:55]<AntiNSA>infact I checked the pass.txt file to makesure...
[02:17:57]<omega8cc>serach the github queue for "login"
[02:18:08]<AntiNSA>not pass.txt but what ever that was.
[02:18:14]<AntiNSA>ok will do.
[02:18:16]<AntiNSA>thanks
[02:19:11]<V1ntage>omega8cc: do I need to migrate it twice or so in order to make it load the database settings?
[02:20:01]<omega8cc>V1ntage: no, you only need to create a blank site first so Aegir will create db and the copy your files dir and import you db there
[02:20:26]<omega8cc>that is the easiest workflow to import the site
[02:20:35]<V1ntage>omega8cc: ah you mean create a blank site in the imported platform, right?
[02:20:37]<V1ntage>sorry for the bother
[02:20:43]<omega8cc>yep
[02:20:46]<V1ntage>ok thanks
[02:20:50]<AntiNSA>im using this guide right this minute http://community.aegirproject.org/node/116
[02:21:18]<AntiNSA>to import... but its not omegas its standard aegir
[02:21:45]<V1ntage>AntiNSA: you got an email for the octopus installation, read it
[02:21:56]<omega8cc>yeah, we need to post some Barracuda specific how-to
[02:22:13]<omega8cc>it is explained in the octopus welcome e-mail
[02:22:16]<omega8cc>yep
[02:22:17]<V1ntage>AntiNSA: also, I uploaded it to the static folder from the user, then moved it to /data/disk/username/distro/001/platformname
[02:22:40]<V1ntage>AntiNSA: then made the DB and user, then changed sites/default to sites/domainname
[02:22:53]<V1ntage>AntiNSA: then changed the DB parameters in settings.php
[02:22:58]<omega8cc>no no
[02:23:02]<V1ntage>:s
[02:23:04]<AntiNSA>I added it to the path like the example on the import tab in octopus
[02:23:05]<V1ntage>oops
[02:23:07]<omega8cc>too much work
[02:23:46]<V1ntage>ok, apparently there's an alternative method :)
[02:23:55]<omega8cc>wait a sec
[02:24:19]<V1ntage>ok
[02:24:25]<AntiNSA>go to platform tab
[02:24:34]<AntiNSA>click on Add Platform
[02:25:03]<V1ntage>AntiNSA: be careful, I messed up there before, and couldn't remove the platform anymore, everything resulted in an error
[02:25:10]<V1ntage>AntiNSA: unless manually
[02:25:43]<AntiNSA>I had a hard time creating a new user for the data base following this mysql commands http://kb.mediatemple.net/questions/788/HOWTO:+GRANT+privileges+in+MySQL
[02:25:59]<V1ntage>AntiNSA: use Webmin if needed
[02:26:03]<AntiNSA>so I used the user whihc I installed octopuses log in info to create the database
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[02:28:55]<AntiNSA2>but I left off the -u and -p since I was logged in as root I think.
[02:29:25]<AntiNSA2>also even DB_NAME dont include the .sql extention
[02:30:12]<omega8cc>Octopus import site how-to: https://gist.github.com/802945
[02:30:40]<V1ntage>omega8cc: fantastic! :) thanks for the link
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[02:31:04]<V1ntage>yup, this is just what we needed, amazing :)
[02:31:39]<AntiNSA2>is there an easy way to set a cach all for each different domain name email?
[02:31:59]<omega8cc>AntiNSA2: you are working too hard, try this: https://gist.github.com/802945
[02:32:47]<omega8cc>AntiNSA2: catch-all for web or e-mail?
[02:34:06]<AntiNSA2>awesome thanks for the link will try now
[02:35:08]<AntiNSA2>catch all so if email goes to blahblah@xxxx.com forward to xxx@gmail.com and if blahh@yy.com forward to another@gmail.com address
[02:35:36]<V1ntage>email forwarding... hmm that's a whole different topic
[02:36:04]<AntiNSA2>I mean I still want drupal to send out emails to the normal users at their registered adress... Im just talking about all email which is adressed to non-users of a domain.
[02:36:40]<AntiNSA2>non-user account.. I dont want it to bounce I want it all forwarded unless it is going to a registered user account
[02:36:52]<V1ntage>AntiNSA2: incoming vs outgoing is something different
[02:37:07]<AntiNSA2>Im just learning about postweek for this past week forgive me if its been answered
[02:37:47]<AntiNSA2>yes, I mean if there is email sent to that account, I want to set a catch all to have it forwarded to my gmail address.
[02:37:47]<V1ntage>AntiNSA2: for incoming you could set something up like dovecot/postfix or courier or similar
[02:38:13]<omega8cc>AntiNSA2: why not use Google Apps for this?
[02:38:23]<AntiNSA2>I was assumin that omegga was using postfix or something already. I dont want to mess up the mail system in place
[02:38:30]<omega8cc>You can enable catch-all there easily
[02:38:47]<omega8cc>AntiNSA2: no no, Barracuda doesn't support mail service
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[02:39:04]<V1ntage>sendmail right?
[02:39:05]<AntiNSA2>I mean I recieve an email everytime root is accessed
[02:39:10]<omega8cc>just outgoing mails sent from the server
[02:39:16]<omega8cc>no, postfix
[02:39:22]<V1ntage>ah ok
[02:39:28]<V1ntage>well does the same thing :)
[02:40:25]<AntiNSA2>I will find this information out next after I am finished with this importing. If this is in github its next on my list. let me know if there is a guide so I dont mess things up..
[02:40:35]<AntiNSA2>oh yeah sorry one more thing
[02:40:57]<omega8cc>yeah, but mailserver for pop3 is not supported by Barracuda, you should use third party service if you don't know how to configure postfix and dovecot
[02:41:18]<AntiNSA2>I saw you telling someone else to never ever use drush to update modules and stuff... and that you used aliases for everything.... but I couldnt find a drush/alias reference sectionh. Is there one?
[02:42:14]<AntiNSA2>I can play around with it and maybe figure it out, Im just curious if barracuda will require a lot of out of the ordinary postfix configuration to work together
[02:42:46]<omega8cc>AntiNSA2: well, that is a bigger topic (good practices manual) I still need to compose and post
[02:42:59]<omega8cc>AntiNSA2: there is nothing special
[02:43:26]<omega8cc>you can use postfix and add dovecot, if you know how to manage it
[02:43:39]<omega8cc>but reallym I suggest Google Apps if possible
[02:43:49]<AntiNSA2>Setting up the standard empty server per the linode and other guides seems like its in my skill set... but I am not inuitive enought to know if barracuda will require special treatment to work together, an
[02:43:52]<omega8cc>it is free and works well
[02:43:59]<AntiNSA2>ok
[02:44:07]<AntiNSA2>I will try google apps
[02:44:20]<AntiNSA2>thanks for your time Im of to try the importing now
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[02:44:55]<omega8cc>Barracuda just installs minimal postfix, nothing special or modified, vanilla install, but again, use Google Apps for your e-mail if you can
[02:45:04]<omega8cc>k
[02:47:04]<AntiNSA-AFK>is there anything special I need to disble from that before attepting to install google apps?
[02:47:11]<AntiNSA-AFK>or can they work together?
[02:47:29]<AntiNSA-AFK>ok let me try myself first maybe its an obvious answer
[02:47:30]<AntiNSA-AFK>sorry
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[02:55:20]<AntiNSA-AFK>following your git instructions, and it says static/custom/name/sites/default/files
[02:55:36]<AntiNSA-AFK>forgive me but I have no static directory....
[02:56:22]<AntiNSA-AFK>ah,,, /data/disk/tcotn/static
[02:56:41]<V1ntage>AntiNSA-AFK: yup, if your username is tcotn, that's the one
[02:57:15]<AntiNSA-AFK>sorry.... learning......
[02:57:31]<V1ntage>AntiNSA-AFK: no need to apologize mate, I'm learning as well ;)
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[03:06:37]<AntiNSA-AFK>question : static/custom/name ==== is at /data/disk/tcotn/
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[03:07:56]<AntiNSA-AFK>so I must make TWO cusom directories like /data/disk/tcotn/static/example.com/example.dir ????
[03:07:57]<omega8cc>I fixed the paths in the how-to so it is static/ and not /static/ (it is not an absolute path)
[03:08:04]<omega8cc>no
[03:08:10]<omega8cc>it is just an example
[03:08:20]<omega8cc>no no
[03:08:45]<omega8cc>don't use domain as a name for your drupal root dir
[03:08:50]<AntiNSA-AFK>so /data/disck/tcotn/,ydomain.com/ is ok?
[03:08:53]<AntiNSA-AFK>ok
[03:09:15]<omega8cc>as it will confuse you, use any simple name for platform dir
[03:09:23]<jlittlew1>hi i'm stumped on why cron is having troubles. I did a standard install of Beta 2, and some sites have been working just fine. But I keep getting cron daemon emails that say A Drupal installation directory could not be found                       [error]
[03:09:23]<jlittlew1>The drush command '@hostmaster hosting-dispatch' could not be found.     [error]
[03:09:26]<AntiNSA-AFK> ok
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[03:09:38]<V1ntage>omega8cc: yeah and it will import your site if you do make it a domain name
[03:09:53]<V1ntage>it's a bit strange
[03:10:05]<jlittlew1>the only troubleshooting that is at all off is when I run the hosting-cron --debug
[03:10:15]<omega8cc>no, it will try to import only what is inside /sites/ dir
[03:10:20]<jlittlew1>i get "the drush command 'hosting-cron' could not be found
[03:10:26]<jlittlew1>any idea what is going on here?
[03:10:41]<omega8cc>V1ntage: ^^
[03:10:44]<V1ntage>omega8cc: oic, good to know :) thanks
[03:11:20]<V1ntage>omega8cc: btw, just wondering, does the standard Barracuda/Octopus install need extra hardening, or do you consider it secure enough by default?
[03:12:32]<omega8cc>jlittlew1: you have an ancient Drush version probably or something really wrong with your provision installed
[03:12:51]<V1ntage>for instance ftp over explicit ssl works like a charm, but I can also login over standard ftp, so maybe I should disable that?
[03:13:34]<jlittlew1>omega8cc: hunh. i'm running drush version 3.3 as was installed with the install.sh
[03:14:31]<omega8cc>V1ntage: Barracuda offers a good start but it is expected you will tune and secure it using your sysadmin skills, it doesn't come with any kind of security guarantee
[03:14:53]<omega8cc>jlittlew1: weird..
[03:15:05]<V1ntage>omega8cc: ok
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[03:15:35]<jlittlew1>omega9cc: you think maybe i should try to upgrade drush to HEAD or something?
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[03:16:00]<omega8cc>jlittlew1: no no, it should work with 3.3.
[03:16:34]<AntiNSA-AFK>mygod my server just sent me an email saying it permanent blocked me for trtying to log in as root
[03:17:12]<omega8cc>jlittlew1: just something is wrong with paths there so aegir user can't see its env or something
[03:18:11]<omega8cc>jlittlew1: check permissions on files/dirs there, however it is weird if that happens randomly
[03:18:58]<AntiNSA-AFK>any idea how to get in now pas a permanent block?
[03:19:05]<omega8cc>AntiNSA-AFK: yeah, too many failed attempts will lock you access, but not for the IP you have installed in from
[03:19:45]<omega8cc>AntiNSA-AFK: connect via some proxy to your webmin (if you installed it)
[03:19:47]<AntiNSA-AFK>im in china so I have to use a proxy half the time
[03:20:06]<omega8cc>switch proxy if possible
[03:22:33]<omega8cc>AntiNSA-AFK: and use ssh keys for root
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[03:24:41]<jlittlew1>omega8cc: thanks for helping. make sure aegir owns all the files/dirs in /var/aegir, ran hosting-cron --debug again, still says "The drush command 'hosting-cron' could not be found...
[03:25:17]<AntiNSA-AFK>yeah I was going to set up the ssh key later
[03:27:38]<AntiNSA-AFK>wow it blocks me behind my proxy trying to use lish ajx panel on linode remote access even...
[03:28:03]<AntiNSA-AFK>ill reboot the server
[03:29:14]<AntiNSA-AFK>ok
[03:29:55]<AntiNSA-AFK>how can I diable the permament block on my ip?
[03:30:21]<AntiNSA-AFK>I have cli through the ajax lish termanall
[03:31:09]<omega8cc>AntiNSA-AFK: delete your IP from the list /etc/csf/csf.deny and restart the firewall with "service csf restart"
[03:32:08]<V1ntage>hmz, for some reason I'm getting php notices, but it's disabled in php.ini :s
[03:32:13]<AntiNSA-AFK>thanks I will start using ssh key right away
[03:32:42]<jlittlew1>omega8cc: thanks for your help. I'm going to try to uninstall and reinstall aegir and go from there.
[03:33:39]<omega8cc>jlittlew1: maybe upgrade it only (to the Aegir head)
[03:34:25]<omega8cc>jlittlew1: current head is rather stable and safe to use
[03:35:23]<jlittlew1>omega8cc: well I also made a really dumb mistake and made aegir own all the files/dirs of my test sites i set up :( so maybe start fresh is the answer and remember that chown -R is pretty serious medicine
[03:35:51]<omega8cc>V1ntage: all php errors and notices are forced to be enabled for any "dev" subdomain
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[03:36:36]<V1ntage>omega8cc: ahh!!! that explains it :D haha I was searching for a reason why it was enabled, as it rarely is
[03:37:12]<omega8cc>jlittlew1: yeah, if you can, start from scratch, it should be faster than debugging
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[03:38:38]<omega8cc>V1ntage: it is forced in global.inc for wsod debugging, but you could disable errors on screen in the site config to hide all those notices
[03:39:54]<V1ntage>omega8cc: yeah I just did that in "error reporting". Looks better already :) some modules aren't "notice-free" unfortunately
[03:40:05]<AntiNSA-AFK>can I delete the csf.deny file?
[03:40:29]<AntiNSA-AFK>tthe stupis ajax lish console wont let me nano it ....
[03:40:32]<omega8cc>AntiNSA-AFK: no, you can only remove IPs there
[03:40:49]<omega8cc>hmm
[03:41:06]<omega8cc>so maybe delete it and touch to re-create
[03:41:25]<omega8cc>or move, not delete
[03:41:44]<omega8cc>no idea how that lish works
[03:42:33]<AntiNSA-AFK>good idea
[03:42:57]<V1ntage>omega8cc: any idea whether private file downloads still a problem in aegir?
[03:43:08]<V1ntage>are*
[03:47:55]<omega8cc>V1ntage: you mean in Nginx? didn't test it, but it looks it should work wit recent version of Barracuda/Octopus, open an issue on github maybe
[03:49:16]<V1ntage>omega8cc: hmm ok, doesn't work here indeed. I'll try to fix it first as this site needs to go live today. Will post an issue later this evening.
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[03:56:25]<EugenMayer>Hello. is there any cmv,clv,xvb
[04:01:36]<EugenMayer>Is there any way to ovveride the settings of a site "site specific"wqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqwwqqqqqqqqqqqw
[04:02:05]<EugenMayer>Holy keyboard :)
[04:02:34]<EugenMayer>Overriding the settings site-specific. My issue are e.g. memache settings + there prefixes (table prefixes=
[04:05:42]<EugenMayer>omega8cc: you might have clue?
[04:05:56]<EugenMayer>I have read the docs here http://community.aegirproject.org/node/39
[04:06:11]<EugenMayer>but i can see any "templates" similar to those e.g. chef has
[04:08:22]<omega8cc>EugenMayer: local.settings.php
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[04:08:38]<EugenMayer>well yeah, but that would mean like configuring every site manually
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[04:08:57]<omega8cc>EugenMayer: then global.inc
[04:08:58]<EugenMayer>that would kind of through away all the effort iam doing with aegir
[04:09:09]<EugenMayer>omega8cc: global.inc is server-wider
[04:09:38]<EugenMayer>and is is (like i see) not possible to do something like
[04:09:45]<omega8cc>EugenMayer: ok, so what is the question/problem exactly?
[04:10:12]<EugenMayer> // change this for every single drupal-wiki instance on the same server
[04:10:12]<EugenMayer> 'memcache_key_prefix' => 'demo',
[04:10:51]<EugenMayer>that configuration option must be unique for every site. Using the site-domain with some replacements would be ok.
[04:11:14]<EugenMayer>or should i just go forward and do something like
[04:11:50]<omega8cc>I use something like 'prefix' => $_SERVER['HTTP_HOST'],
[04:11:56]<EugenMayer> 'memcache_key_prefix' => sanitize($_SERVER['host'])
[04:12:25]<EugenMayer>ok i see. I will have to repeat this step for every server (deploying global.inc) or?
[04:12:43]<EugenMayer>for every aegir client, i mean
[04:12:46]<omega8cc>just put it in global.inc
[04:13:03]<EugenMayer>on the hostmaster?
[04:13:11]<EugenMayer>(we are talking about remote clients)
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[04:13:40]<omega8cc>so where the site is hosted (remote head)
[04:13:46]<EugenMayer>ok
[04:14:02]<EugenMayer>so for every remote client i have to redeploy that global.inc manually, right
[04:14:33]<EugenMayer>(thats fine though, will be part of the chef-reciepe anyway then)
[04:14:39]<omega8cc>yeah, or find some wizard to do that for you ;)
[04:14:53]<EugenMayer>Wizards are how to find!
[04:14:54]<EugenMayer>:)
[04:15:00]<EugenMayer>omega8cc++
[04:15:01]<EugenMayer>Thank you
[04:16:48]<omega8cc>bbl
[04:16:55]<EugenMayer>omega8cc: it would be kind of cool to have hooks to modify settings
[04:17:11]<EugenMayer>drupal_alter($settings)... before a site gets deployed
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[04:25:28]<AntiNSA-AFK>is there a drush omegga guide out there we can use?
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[04:37:19]<V1ntage>anyone ever encountered an image uploading problem resulting in a HTTP 0 error? The file is uploaded in the files directory, but I still get an error on the page. Jquery is 1.3.2 btw, so that should be fine
[04:40:25]<EugenMayer>V1ntage: how does this relate to eagir?
[04:40:27]<EugenMayer>*aegir
[04:44:25]<V1ntage>EugenMayer: sorry, needed to be afk for a few mins
[04:44:45]<V1ntage>EugenMayer: I'm not sure, I think it related to Barracuda/Octopus
[04:44:57]<V1ntage>and Barracuda/Octopus relates to aegir
[04:45:08]<V1ntage>anyway
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[05:06:57]<omega8cc>AntiNSA-AFK: there is not omegga ;)
[05:07:23]<omega8cc>AntiNSA-AFK: see www.drush.ws
[05:07:29]<omega8cc>oug
[05:08:04]<omega8cc>http://drush.ws
[05:09:35]<omega8cc>V1ntage: I don't think it is related to Barracuda/Nginx, rather your site configuration
[05:11:51]<omega8cc>V1ntage: anyway, post some details, like url and filename etc in the github queue if you think it is something wrong with nginx
[05:12:45]<AntiNSA-AFK>I know, but you said on groups.droupal dont use drush to update modules and also that there were aliases for everything....
[05:12:59]<AntiNSA-AFK>soI am wondering how to update and what are the aliases
[05:13:46]<omega8cc>AntiNSA-AFK: what my comment are you referring to?
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[05:16:05]<AntiNSA-AFK>I am a little to busy ti find them... but it was in the nginx group
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[05:21:57]<omega8cc>AntiNSA-AFK: well, read the Aegic docs to learn the correct method to upgrade sites, in short you should create a new platform and migrate the site using Aegir, and not run modules updates on the existing site/platform, see the docs for details
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[05:25:27]<AntiNSA-AFK>wow... create new platfor everytime there is a dev module update? That will kill me...
[05:26:02]<V1ntage>omega8cc: ever had HTTP 0 errors with file uploads?
[05:26:24]<omega8cc>never
[05:26:50]<V1ntage>omega8cc: ok, strange issue then
[05:27:13]<V1ntage>really strange issue actually, as jquery is at 1.3.2 and the file is uploaded
[05:27:22]<V1ntage>but it shows an error
[05:27:51]<omega8cc>AntiNSA-AFK: this is the correct workflow, but feel free to upgrade modules if you believe it will not break anything, but if that will break something than ask yourself why you did that ;)
[05:28:41]<omega8cc>V1ntage: open an issue on github and provide some details to reproduce it
[05:29:41]<V1ntage>omega8cc: ok, I'll post the issues when there's no more time left, because as for now I really need it up and running :/
[05:29:49]<V1ntage>it works, but file uploads don't work
[05:30:00]<V1ntage>stressful :/
[05:30:30]<omega8cc>open an issue instead
[05:31:13]<omega8cc>V1ntage: what is the filename of the image/file?
[05:31:38]<V1ntage>omega8cc: it's an image, without strange characters, lemme check
[05:31:55]<V1ntage>omega8cc: actually any file does not upload, plus if I upload on my localhost version it works
[05:32:56]<omega8cc>weird
[05:33:03]<AntiNSA-AFK>im trying to add the folder to create the platfor as you advised in your git and /data/disk/tcotn/static/hope is not verified.... so when I try to add the new site with the platform, my site hope is not selectable on the profile list
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[05:33:38]<AntiNSA-AFK>I have followed steps 1-4 very carefully
[05:34:16]<omega8cc>V1ntage: I will try that on a fresh install
[05:34:38]<V1ntage>omega8cc: oh, sweet :) thanks
[05:34:57]<omega8cc>AntiNSA-AFK: sorry, I'm busy now, that how-to just works if you really follow it
[05:35:44]<omega8cc>AntiNSA-AFK: keep in mind you should be logged in as your octopus ftp user
[05:36:00]<omega8cc>to have correct permissions etc etc
[05:36:22]<V1ntage>omega8cc: this is the error: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=8421
[05:36:47]<V1ntage>I've hidden the path, since it's a public image
[05:37:16]<omega8cc>V1ntage: disable the badbehavior module
[05:37:23]<V1ntage>ok, one sec
[05:37:53]<omega8cc>it breaks upload progress here
[05:38:17]<V1ntage>incredible
[05:38:24]<V1ntage>it's just the "bad behavior" module
[05:38:30]<V1ntage>works great now :D
[05:38:32]<V1ntage>hooray
[05:38:37]<V1ntage>I didn't know it could be so simple
[05:38:44]<V1ntage>thanks so much omega8cc :D
[05:38:55]<omega8cc>you have it displayed on the screen ;)
[05:39:06]<V1ntage>well yeah, but it was just a notice
[05:39:14]<V1ntage>didn't think it could create a problem
[05:39:25]<V1ntage>anyway, superb :)
[05:39:30]<omega8cc>ok
[05:42:13]<V1ntage>btw, please pardon my youthful excitement :)
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[05:47:05]<AntiNSA-AFK>ok my ls -l says root users and I guess that is wrong. I need to chown and chgrp
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[05:48:33]<omega8cc>AntiNSA-AFK: yep
[05:48:55]<AntiNSA-AFK>it says my sites dir is not write able permissions are
[05:48:56]<AntiNSA-AFK>drwxrwxr-x
[05:49:01]<AntiNSA-AFK>is that wrong?
[05:50:03]<omega8cc>AntiNSA-AFK: permissions are not enough, ownership must be your aegir system user (or ftp user)
[05:51:02]<omega8cc>check that twice or better yet chown -R octopususer:users /path/to/platform and then chmod -R 777 the files dir
[05:53:43]<V1ntage>ahh, and now private file uploads started to work as well
[05:53:47]<V1ntage>fantastic
[05:53:54]<V1ntage>downloads I mean
[05:59:19]<AntiNSA-AFK>thanks
[05:59:48]<AntiNSA-AFK>I appreciate that
[06:00:00]<AntiNSA-AFK>very helpful
[06:00:29]<AntiNSA-AFK>these irc logs should be logged and searchable
[06:00:40]<AntiNSA-AFK>would be helpfull I think for others.
[06:00:51]<V1ntage>AntiNSA-AFK: I agree
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[06:14:51]<mirrow>Hi there, hope that iam not bothering u oaks with this, iam still a noob in aegir setup. my problem is that every time, i etup aegir I dont recieve the one-time login from postfix... I checked postfix status and its running just fine, is there a way to log into aegir, or please could someone put me more or less in a direction in how to log in to the front end of aegir,
[06:17:42]<mirrow>anywere that i can go and read maybe?
[06:19:02]<mirrow>enige iemand?
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[06:56:32]<AntiNSA-AFK>question on importing the database-
[06:56:53]<AntiNSA-AFK>drush sql-connect < /data/disk/USER/static/domain.sql
[06:57:39]<AntiNSA-AFK>do we have to have the exact same name of db as the domain in order to complete the import correctly?
[06:58:14]<V1ntage>AntiNSA-AFK: I used Chive to import the DB, went pretty smooth
[06:59:06]<AntiNSA-AFK>I cant get chive to work :(
[06:59:27]<AntiNSA-AFK>I have imported and migrated... I wonder what to do now...
[06:59:30]<V1ntage>AntiNSA-AFK: did you setup your DNS?
[07:01:00]<AntiNSA-AFK>yeah I have everything working.... but chive and the dns impor
[07:01:08]<AntiNSA-AFK>Im going to try again hold on a sec
[07:03:13]<AntiNSA-AFK>got to say I love the ability to click and install and delete... very awesome. I cant wait to see how the site runs on it...
[07:04:30]<gezick>mig5: are you around? I'm trying to do the provision-save test like you suggested with my profile install, but i just get segfaults…
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[07:08:32]<V1ntage>AntiNSA-AFK: over here it works great, just a few minor issues with private downloads and the like, for the rest it's an amazing platform
[07:25:21]<omega8cc>AntiNSA-AFK: just run drush sql-connect as explained, it will read your site credentials, as created by Aegir
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[07:27:22]<AntiNSA-AFK>it seems all my modules are available, however all the settings and all the modules ee not enabled, it di not recognize my password to login from my original site...
[07:28:02]<AntiNSA-AFK>i made sure the copy of the sql back up was the same as the site directory name
[07:28:21]<V1ntage>omega8cc: is there a reason why all files have 1 linebreak added every line on all template files?
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[07:28:40]<V1ntage>omega8cc: I mean, on an imported site
[07:29:08]<AntiNSA-AFK>I am now downloading my sql from backup migrate module rather than sql dump...
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[07:31:20]<omega8cc>AntiNSA-AFK: the name of the sqldump file can by anything.sql
[07:33:07]<omega8cc>it should have the DROP TABLE IF EXIST for every table, of course
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[07:34:08]<omega8cc>V1ntage: not sure what are you talking about?
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[07:35:50]<V1ntage>omega8cc: maybe it's due to the unzipping, I don't know
[07:36:03]<V1ntage>omega8cc: every line one linebreak was added
[07:37:53]<AntiNSA-AFK>and when I run drush I have to run it from inside my /data/disk/tcotn/hope.thecenterofthenet.com directory
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[07:39:33]<omega8cc>V1ntage: no idea, it wasn't me ;)
[07:39:42]<V1ntage>:)
[07:39:54]<AntiNSA-AFK>where do I have to place the actual sql backup?
[07:40:08]<V1ntage>AntiNSA-AFK: put it in static :)
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[07:40:18]<omega8cc>AntiNSA-AFK: not, follow the how-to, it is explained
[07:40:41]<V1ntage>the how-to says to put it in static, or am I mistaken?
[07:40:51]<omega8cc>correct
[07:41:45]<omega8cc>AntiNSA-AFK: you are not following the how-to and my previous advice here
[07:42:00]<AntiNSA-AFK>I am following it exactly
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[07:42:25]<AntiNSA-AFK>but you run the drush command from a different directory than the back up sql so I was just checking
[07:43:16]<omega8cc>and now it is 10 pm here so I'm going offline, good luck!
[07:43:44]<AntiNSA-AFK>ah thanks for your help
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[07:50:15]<V1ntage>omega8cc: on my localhost I have no notices. Yet on Octopus I get tons of "Undefined Index" and "Trying to get property of non-object" errors
[07:50:26]<V1ntage>omega8cc: any idea what could cause that?
[07:50:51]<V1ntage>ow
[07:51:04]<V1ntage>omega8cc: goodnight, I'll ask later
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