IRC logs for #aegir, 2011-02-02 (GMT)

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[11:00:45]<mig5>i don't see why it should
[11:00:55]<mig5>not up to us to make sure you are securing your mysql properly
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[11:06:59]<mortendk>omega8cc: ping
[11:07:49]<omega8cc>mortendk: pong :)
[11:09:39]<mortendk>omega8cc: uuuh i feel like an outsider her ;)
[11:10:10]<omega8cc>mortendk: welcome to the Aegir World! :)
[11:10:36]<mortendk>omega8cc: hehe yeah well honored with my background by the name
[11:10:50]<mortendk>...and i must say its pretty awesome to work with as a end user :)
[11:10:55]<mig5>hey mortendk :)
[11:11:04]<mig5>vikings always welcome here
[11:11:31]<mortendk>mig5: yup still sad i never got around to teach ya all how to say Ægir in danish ;)
[11:12:10]<mig5>hehe
[11:12:17]<omega8cc>lol
[11:12:27]<omega8cc>that is a big topic!
[11:12:38]<mortendk>omega8cc: yeah i was kinda busy in copenhagen ;)
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[11:17:57]<tomhung>but your install script breaks
[11:18:08]<tomhung>with no instructions as to why
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[11:27:15]<mig5>not for correctly configured mysql it diesn't
[11:27:29]<mig5>why did you have anonymous users allowed to login to mysql with presumably no password
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[11:28:11]<tomhung>i had a clean Ubuntu install
[11:28:19]<mig5>bizarre
[11:28:24]<tomhung>i apt-get installed mysql-server
[11:28:33]<tomhung>its Ubuntu 8.x
[11:28:34]<mig5>did you set a root password?
[11:28:37]<mig5>for mysql
[11:28:39]<tomhung>yea
[11:28:48]<mig5>then i think that's an Ubuntu 8 bug
[11:28:57]<mig5>it allowed a user with the name 'intentionallyinvalid' to login
[11:28:59]<mig5>that's a check we do
[11:29:20]<tomhung>http://groups.drupal.org/node/96639#comment-309509
[11:29:53]<tomhung>http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/default-privileges.html
[11:30:29]<tomhung>according to Robin it seems to be a Mysql-server bug in Ubuntu 8
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[11:30:56]<mig5>it seems to set up these anonymous accounts by default on fresh installation
[11:31:06]<mig5>i hope they have no real priviliges because that's a somewhat grave security hole otherwise
[11:31:21]<tomhung>i wonder if a HINT-Ubuntu8.txt might help others
[11:31:32]<mig5>sure, i was just thinking that
[11:31:37]<mig5>feel free to supply one
[11:31:44]<tomhung>ok
[11:31:47]<mig5>it can just contain 'Use Debian' :)
[11:31:52]<mig5></troll>
[11:31:55]<tomhung>yup!
[11:32:16]<tomhung>i'll write it up tomorrow
[11:33:18]<Deezire>mig5: mysql_secure_installation
[11:33:47]<mig5>yea we should recommend using that on Ubuntu 8
[11:34:06]<Deezire>And as far as i can see it's not a bug, just a poor package maintainer choice.
[11:34:07]<Deezire>:p
[11:34:18]<mig5>yeah i would call that a bug :)
[11:34:29]<tomhung>yet it causes a hickup with aegir install
[11:34:30]<Deezire>You should recommend it for more or less everything, as it cleans out some temporary tables that you dont need
[11:34:41]<mig5>tomhung: it should: aegir requires a more secure environment
[11:34:46]<tomhung>i agree
[11:35:10]<Deezire>mig5: with multisite and alias for www, are you using symlink?
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[11:35:18]<tomhung>but it should state what it requires these tables cleaned out.. ie. hinting that one should secure mysql
[11:35:24]<tomhung>i have to go.. baby is waiting...
[11:35:28]<tomhung>tomorrow!
[11:35:34]<mig5>Deezire: depends on my use case
[11:35:37]<mig5>sometimes
[11:35:41]<mig5>sometimes r edirect.
[11:35:42]<Deezire>tomhung: yeah, i stumbled upon that one a few weeks ago
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[11:36:33]<Deezire>hm, because you could do a simple rewrite with apache instead. But i guess it's more sane to use Alias, as you easier could change the webserver
[11:36:41]<mig5>well
[11:36:46]<mig5>its one use case or the other
[11:36:54]<mig5>with no redirection, ServerAlias + symlink
[11:36:57]<mig5>with redirection, rewrite rule
[11:37:01]<mig5>we support both
[11:37:09]<Deezire>I just saw that it creates www.somesite and somesite in /sites
[11:37:15]<mig5>only without a redirection
[11:37:21]<mig5>so that drupal can bootstrap
[11:37:27]<Deezire>aha
[11:37:29]<Deezire>makes sense
[11:37:43]<mig5>if you choose redirection it won't bother with the symlink and will just use the rewrite rule
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[12:10:09]<jcapelo>how do I make server_master.alias.drushrc.php writable? its getting the wrong hostname
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[12:15:28]<jcapelo>how do I make my server_master get the correct localhost instead of something else its putting there?
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[12:31:45]<joestewart>mig5: seen http://drupal.org/help-test-cvs-git-migration ? Pretty nice so far.
[12:32:55]<jcapelo>im getting in a beta2 install
[12:32:57]<jcapelo>Created portalgasolinero database [success]
[12:32:57]<jcapelo>Could not find a Drupal settings.php file at ./sites/default/settings.php. [error]
[12:32:57]<jcapelo>Could not find a Drupal settings.php file at ./sites/default/settings.php. [error]
[12:32:57]<jcapelo>Command provision-install-backend needs a higher bootstrap level to run - you will need invoke drush from a more functional Drupal environment to run this command.
[12:40:12]<nicholasalipaz>jcapelo, sounds like permissions issues.
[12:40:23]<nicholasalipaz>check everything is chown aegir.aegir
[12:41:09]<nicholasalipaz>I am however by no means an authority. and not the best at sysadmin
[12:41:19]<nicholasalipaz>so that is the best I can tell you.
[12:41:38]<jcapelo>ok
[12:41:40]<jcapelo>thx
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[13:11:44]<cweagans>I have an open atrium site that I've provisioned with Aegir. I tried disabling the site through the aegir frontend, but there was no change on the site. Any idea how that's supposed to work? Basically, I want disabled sites to point to a page that says "This site has been disabled. If you're the site admin, please take action"
[13:13:04]<cweagans>it's 0.4-beta2, if it matters
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[13:19:08]<jcapelo>in a newly created aegir install site I go to visit the one time login and I get the install profile selection page with this warning
[13:19:09]<jcapelo>Warning: include_once(/var/aegir/hostmaster-0.4-beta1/sites/portalgasolinero.com/settings.php) [function.include-once]: failed to open stream: Permission denied in /var/aegir/hostmaster-0.4-beta1/includes/bootstrap.inc on line 400
[13:19:14]<jcapelo>is this because of aegir user?
[13:23:41]<jcapelo>allright I get that because of permission on settings.php
[13:24:16]<jcapelo>but if I change permission on that file to 440 like it says it should be in system structure, then my site breaks and takes me back to install profile selection screen
[13:26:33]<jcapelo>please anyone? i need to show some work, and this errors are making everything which i worked with aegir before break :S
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[13:40:10]<cweagans>jcapelo: cd /var/aegir/hostmaster-0.4-beta1
[13:40:16]<cweagans>chown -R aegir:aegir *
[13:40:33]<cweagans>also, consider upgrading to the latest beta release :)
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[13:48:23]<cweagans>nvm, apparently it likes to spontaneously start working
[13:48:25]<cweagans>hasta!
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[13:48:52]<jcapelo>allright got through that
[13:49:19]<jcapelo>now in veryfing my servermaster in aegir it is setting a wrong variable that should be localhost ubt its getting some other name
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[13:53:25]<jcapelo>how can I change the values inside server_master.alias.drushrc.php and make them stick
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[14:32:32]<jcapelo>where are the values for server_master.alias.druhsrc.php set?
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[14:38:02]<jcapelo>anyone?
[14:44:40]<joestewart>what part is not correct in server_master.alias.druhsrc.php?
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[15:11:25]<jcapelo>the master_db value its pointing to the wrong host
[15:11:33]<jcapelo>should be root@localhost its pointing at root@dioniso
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[15:21:12]<fysa>you can fix permissions in the db?
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[15:29:25]<jcapelo>yep
[15:29:32]<jcapelo>what should i do there?
[15:29:45]<jcapelo>ive tried several things they are not working tried this right now
[15:29:52]<jcapelo>http://groups.drupal.org/node/101894
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[15:40:14]<jcapelo>i would like to know what sets the values in server_master.alias.drushrc.php and how to change it
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[17:12:08]<AntiNSA>im trying to use drush to upcdate modules and install modules on the default platform for pressflow but I cant because I dont know the alias. can you tell me what the alias is for the default pressflow platform?
[17:13:17]<AntiNSA>ok I can see how to use drush to update sites installed on that platform.
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[20:05:45]<NeoID>regarding community.aegirproject.org, anyone here responsible for it? Just wondering how you managed to get Notebook and discussions working from the main site without groups :)
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[23:56:05]<EugenMayer>pretty pain in the ass if you decide to change aegir main domain..
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[00:02:15]<EugenMayer>omega8cc: are you arround?
[00:03:05]<omega8cc>yes
[00:03:21]<omega8cc>add an alias intead
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[00:03:26]<omega8cc>instead
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[00:04:18]<omega8cc>EugenMayer: re: Aegir domain change ^^
[00:04:30]<EugenMayer>hehe
[00:04:39]<EugenMayer>no, thats more then only some alias.
[00:05:16]<EugenMayer>omega8cc: i moved aegir into my VPN, which has an own DNS, resolving my aegir.public.tld to an internal ip 10.7.0.101
[00:05:50]<omega8cc>EugenMayer: so change your settings for the server node in Aegir
[00:05:51]<EugenMayer>my old domain was deployment.kwork and i changed all the stuff (aliases, db string, db access, sites .. )
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[00:06:10]<EugenMayer>Bootstrap is fine, but i can verify my server anymore ( which is the local server )
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[00:06:11]<omega8cc>and then re-verify all sites
[00:06:17]<EugenMayer>aegir trys to ssh to aegir.public.tld
[00:06:34]<EugenMayer>so it kind dont get that it is local.
[00:07:25]<EugenMayer>/var/www/aegir/config/server_master/apache/pre.d could not be synced to remote server aegir.public.tld.
[00:07:38]<EugenMayer>for the server, platform and also the site.
[00:07:48]<EugenMayer>I guess first the server needs to be fine, then i move to the platform
[00:08:27]<omega8cc>some /etc/hosts magic on your desktop + changing IP first and then domain could help maybe, no idea, why not to deploy new Octopus instance instead? that is simple and designed for such tasks
[00:08:38]<omega8cc>yes
[00:08:42]<omega8cc>server first
[00:09:01]<EugenMayer>Octopus?
[00:09:07]<EugenMayer>Whats that? :)
[00:09:40]<EugenMayer>well needs aegir.public.tld resolve to 127.0.0.1 to let aegir think it is local?!
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[00:10:20]<omega8cc>EugenMayer: something "smart enough to do that" (tm) I guess
[00:10:48]<EugenMayer>well, could you point me at the code?
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[00:11:17]<EugenMayer>i think it will all come down to the FQDN and how good the dev undestood it
[00:11:19]<omega8cc>sure: https://github.com/omega8cc/nginx-for-drupal
[00:11:38]<EugenMayer>and how good the docs are in telling where to enter the hostname and where its rather the FWDN
[00:12:06]<EugenMayer>And that is? An "appliance?"
[00:12:13]<omega8cc>almost
[00:12:41]<EugenMayer>well i would rather stick to my apache stuff
[00:13:00]<EugenMayer>i had enaugh "new" things past weeks :)
[00:13:28]<EugenMayer>(14:10:41) EugenMayer: well, could you point me at the code? <- that was mean to be were aegir detects if it is remote or not
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[00:16:17]<omega8cc>EugenMayer: I guess clean install + importing existing platforms and sites would be faster for you than trying to break existing, in this case, see in the drush aliases for master, it is there
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[00:18:29]<omega8cc>also, somewhere in my github queue I posted a complete how-to on how to make the moved hostmaster working on another server/ip etc, it should be similar for apache
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[01:22:30]<darthsteven>Hi, I have an old Aegir 0.4-alpha7 install, I'd like to upgrade to the latest, guessing the best way is to actually install the newer version and just import the old sites, what does that process look like?
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[01:23:05]<darthsteven>Do I have to recreate the settings.php for each site for example, to uncloak the DB creds?
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[01:24:39]<EugenMayer1>darthsteven: there is an upgrade path
[01:25:16]<darthsteven>EugenMayer1: yeah, but its a bit rocky, I've only got three sites that are managed, so can happily do it manually if it's easier/smoother
[01:25:41]<darthsteven>EugenMayer1: (I've heard that it's rocky)
[01:25:44]<EugenMayer1>with alpha10 it worked perfectly
[01:25:50]<EugenMayer1>without any single issue
[01:25:57]<darthsteven>yeah, alpha 7 is a LOT older
[01:26:03]<darthsteven>pre services and contexts
[01:26:14]<darthsteven>is mig5 around?
[01:30:56]<EugenMayer1>-> australia
[01:31:01]<noecc>darthsteven: Take a look at anarcat's comments at http://community.aegirproject.org/node/264
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[01:33:06]<darthsteven>noecc: Thanks
[01:33:34]<darthsteven>I think I might go the route of trying to import the old sites into a new aegir install
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[01:41:13]<EugenMayer1>omega8cc: i found that freaking method..
[01:42:08]<noecc>darthsteven: There may be an rc coming shortly.
[01:42:47]<EugenMayer1>how ugly is that..
[01:43:03]<EugenMayer1>"well enter the domain everywhere"
[01:43:38]<EugenMayer1>well and if you look at provision.inc and you read the comment you might find out that remote_host does not to be the FQDN but the hostname.
[01:45:18]<EugenMayer1>well yes
[01:45:21]<EugenMayer1>under server
[01:45:46]<EugenMayer1>Server hostname is the real hostname this time, so not FQDN
[01:48:41]<EugenMayer1>there is a bug...
[01:50:45]<EugenMayer1>mig5: there seem to be a bug in provision_is_local_host. The code looks like both should be supported, the FQDN and the hostname, but it is not working. if my hostname is aegir and my domain is public.tld .. it will work with aegir under "server hostname", but wont work with aegir.public.tld
[01:51:55]<EugenMayer1>mig5: but iam actually not 100% sure what $host will be. Is that exactly what i enter in server hostname or the IP above? because ($host == strtolower(php_uname('n'))) kind looks of strange
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[01:53:45]<EugenMayer1>mig5: it seems like you kind of expect host to be an ip or the hostname or whatever
[01:54:32]<EugenMayer1>mig5: (commented in the param section that way). In this case if should work with aegir.public.tld, which it does not and then tries to sync files with the local server ( failing the connection )
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[04:26:23]<EugenMayer1>mig5: in the docs for the "aegir remote clients" sudo is missing as package to be installed
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[05:25:08]<V1ntage>hey, omega8cc, just a quick question
[05:25:38]<V1ntage>do you consider it necessary to run services like nginx mysql and the like in a jail?
[05:29:48]<omega8cc>V1ntage: no, no reason for that kind of paranoid setup, furthermore, it is easier and far more secure to split services, like database on a separate vps/box, but still, no reason to do that, unless for resources scaling, or maybe you ate thinking about opening full shell access? don't do that
[05:30:33]<V1ntage>omega8cc: allright, I was asking because I read it somewhere where they recommended it
[05:30:35]<V1ntage>omega8cc: thanks
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[05:33:29]<omega8cc>V1ntage: yeah, some those advices would make your server locked completely, with selinux and similar "ideas", but I have far better recipe if you want *real* security - cut off the power cable :p
[05:33:55]<V1ntage>omega8cc: hahaha, yeah good point. There's no such thing as perfect security
[05:34:18]<V1ntage>omega8cc: ok, I'll just try to add some best practises
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[08:35:41]<Met4physica>http://drupal.org/project/droptor
[08:35:45]<Met4physica>can this be used with ? replaced by aegir?
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[08:59:26]<jlkinsel>ya know what'd be handy...ability to create an aegir "client" from drush
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[09:03:58]<omega8cc>jlkinsel: it is possible, but you need a small helper file https://github.com/omega8cc/nginx-for-drupal/blob/master/aegir/helpers/m... and drush 4 (or backported users stuff in 3.3)
[09:04:37]<jlkinsel>aaah nifty
[09:05:20]<omega8cc>then just: drush php-script make_client e@mail
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[09:05:59]<omega8cc>well, it works with drush 3, no d4 required
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[09:09:34]* jlkinsel hopes they added "drush version" to 4
[09:09:43]<jlkinsel>I know how to find the current version, still just annoying
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[09:13:22]<mig5>there is drush version in 4 i believe
[09:13:33]<cafuego>morning mig5
[09:13:35]<mig5>shame wecan't use it yet
[09:13:38]<mig5>hi cafuego
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[09:14:09]<cafuego>how is your cheese today?
[09:14:23]<mig5>thats a very personal question!
[09:14:43]<mig5>i'm eating a muffin and drinking cafuego
[09:14:50]<cafuego>stop drinking me
[09:14:55]<cafuego>it's inappropriate
[09:15:09]<mig5>it's delicious
[09:15:14]<jlkinsel>me toma el pelo? ;)
[09:16:25]<jlkinsel>(literal translation - you're drinking my hair)
[09:16:35]<cafuego>ooo-kay
[09:17:03]<jlkinsel>spanish idiom. loose translation is "you're pulling my leg." and that's the limit of my spanish for the day. ;)
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[09:26:53]<jlkinsel>ok - is there a preferred way for non-aegir user to run drush? in a wrapper?
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[09:46:13]<omega8cc>jlkinsel: I use "ln -s /var/aegir/drush/drush /usr/bin/drush" to have it available in the standard path for non-aegir users
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[09:47:13]<jlkinsel>sure. I'm thinking of running it from a root script, but I don't want ~aegir/.drush/ stuff created with root perms
[09:48:10]<omega8cc>su - user in that script
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[09:50:09]<omega8cc>su -s /bin/bash user -c "drush something"
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[09:54:24]<jlkinsel>sure, wrapper. I was just askin if that was preferred way or elsewise. :) thx
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[10:09:13]<obrienmd>omega8cc: is there a setting in octopus that would cause session / cookie information to not be held onto? having an issue where ubercart donation products are not added to cart in IE / safari... chrome seems to work fine... this is only since migrating to octopus. if you'd like, I can just throw an issue in github.
[10:09:39]<obrienmd>err never mind it happens in all browsers apparently
[10:11:03]<AntiNSA-AFK>having problem afterimporting site, I login, and then it redirects me to user/1, however then I is showing me my site inmaintenance mode, even though I logged in. Any ideas why>?
[10:15:09]<obrienmd>looks like it was boost
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[10:16:28]<AntiNSA-AFK>its a new platform, not using boost. I am going to try to get out of maintenance mode with drush and see whats up
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[10:28:52]<obrienmd>meant my problem
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[10:31:08]<jlkinsel>obrienmd: check httpd error logs?
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[10:36:43]<omega8cc>obrienmd: ubercart works with pressflow (which doesn't use cookies for anon users) have you tried to enable *Cookie cache bypass* module maybe?
[10:38:19]<omega8cc>obrienmd: or disable the *Cache* module if enabled, don't know what configuration do you have there with securepages maybe etc
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[10:39:06]<omega8cc>obrienmd: ah, boost
[10:39:20]<omega8cc>obrienmd: then it was expected
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[10:51:22]<obrienmd>yeah
[10:51:24]<obrienmd>I think so
[10:51:35]<obrienmd>there are a few issues on it, but I don't see "one to rule them all"
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