IRC logs for #aegir, 2011-02-04 (GMT)

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[11:01:59]<Met4physica>omega8cc: they are saying its a gnutls problem
[11:02:12]<Met4physica>is there any way to provide libcurl openssl or something other than gnutls
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[11:13:17]<omega8cc>Met4physica: not sure about Ubuntu but with Debian it is an easy switch, since Debian comes with both available to install, will test it today
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[11:18:22]<omega8cc>Met4physica: you would need to run: apt-get install libcurl4-openssl-dev, it will remove libcurl4-gnutls-dev and then you need to run Barracuda with _PHP_FORCE_REINSTALL=YES option
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[11:19:45]<omega8cc>Met4physica: let me know if that works for you
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[11:31:21]<jcapelo>one of my tasks of trying to install a site is running forever, how can I kill that process?
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[14:11:56]<AntiNSA-AFK>what can I do if unbable to complete a successful migrate? I have completely reinstalled barracuda/octopus and created the sym link in static/tcotn/platforms/my-platform/my-first-empty-site and when I try to migrate to static/tcotn/platforms/my-platform/my-second- site the chron times out with Could not create symlink for alias /data/disk/tcotn/static/platforms/tired/sites/www.alpha.thecentero
[14:11:56]<AntiNSA-AFK>fthenet.com (A symlink already exists at target, but it is pointing to alpha.thecenterofthenet.com)
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[14:24:24]<AntiNSA-AFK>removed sym lnk copyied files manually to the first new site of the new platform, attmpting to migrate again
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[14:25:04]<AntiNSA-AFK>this time with files dir and not sym linked files dir
[14:25:07]<jlkinsel>when I provision-verify from drush, things are ok. when I let front end do it through hosting-import, I get directory is not writable by provisioning script
[14:29:16]<AntiNSA-AFK>are you able to migrate imported sites?
[14:29:34]<AntiNSA-AFK>I meeanhave yo utried?
[14:30:55]<jlkinsel>hey AntiNSA-AFK - yeah I have successfully
[14:31:06]<jlkinsel>I'm pretty sure your issues are related to that symlink, do you have to use symlinks?
[14:32:04]<jlkinsel>if you su - aegir, can you write to static/tcotn/platforms/my-platform/ ?
[14:32:15]<jlkinsel>eg touch static/tcotn/platforms/my-platform/test
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[14:36:52]<AntiNSA-AFK>when I dont use sym link the migrate never completes... hold on a second..
[14:37:22]<jlkinsel>as in - leave everything completely vanilla from aegir's pov. /var/aegir/platforms/etc
[14:37:46]<jlkinsel>start there, get that working, then start moving things around slowly, but make sure that when you are the aegir user, you're able to write to the new locations
[14:39:24]<AntiNSA-AFK>the problem is my imagecache path is always messed up, and omega said its because I hae to migrate the site one time correctly...
[14:40:06]<jlkinsel>i see..
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[14:43:06]<jlkinsel>so, sorry if I'm repeating questions you've gone through - aegir is able to create a site at static/tcotn/platforms/my-platform? just like a plain drupal 6.20 site...
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[15:09:33]<AntiNSA-AFK>I can create new sites, but cant migrate imported sites. and part of the instructiond from git in imprting a site is to migrate it once, in order to have aegir write the paths correctly...
[15:09:40]<AntiNSA-AFK>from what I understand...
[15:09:59]<AntiNSA-AFK>WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[15:10:03]<AntiNSA-AFK>OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
[15:10:38]<AntiNSA-AFK>IM SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO happpY FInally! after so many hours a successfull migration. I think Im gioing to throw up.
[15:10:55]<AntiNSA-AFK>oh god my head is spinning. so much dopamine
[15:11:30]<AntiNSA-AFK>lets see if the paths work now...
[15:11:55]<AntiNSA-AFK> I swear I can only stay awake for 5 minutes more...
[15:15:52]<AntiNSA-AFK>shouldnt the database variables be migrated with the site when it is migrated to a new name?
[15:16:12]<AntiNSA-AFK>they were not migrated. It migrated with a clean fatabase after I already imported the database
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[15:32:10]<AntiNSA-AFK>since the database I restored did not migrate, I imported the database again and am waiting for it to migrate... I hope it can work...............................
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[17:54:01]<EugenMayer>morning
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[17:55:27]<EugenMayer>mig5: thanks for the clarifications!
[17:55:31]<EugenMayer>(discussion)
[17:57:10]<EugenMayer>mig5: still not sure why all platforms should reside on the master
[17:57:56]<EugenMayer>but its most-probably just a special case for me. As i build all platforms using make files it does not need a "build" version on the master and is kind of useless, as it cann be rebuild anytime. But that is probably just my special case
[17:59:42]<EugenMayer>can i just checkout the git version, create a new platfrom and migrate the hostmaster?
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[21:09:23]<EugenMayer>does / can aegir migrate the filepaths in files?
[21:09:42]<EugenMayer>its a bit odd that all files are not working when you clone a website.
[21:10:03]<EugenMayer>I mean its a downside of Drupal 6, but we should deal with it
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[21:16:36]<mig5>it's meant to but apparently it recently stopped working
[21:16:49]<EugenMayer>hmm i think i just see what the issue is
[21:16:59]<mig5>http://drupal.org/node/1047922
[21:17:01]<EugenMayer>it was an manual DB import, but those things are handled in migration / clone
[21:17:07]<EugenMayer>and i did not do this ( yet )
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[21:32:33]<EugenMayer>mig5: well i use drush 3.3 right now. I dont expect "deep" changes, just the files table would be awesome.
[21:33:43]<EugenMayer>mig5: you have seen my update on the discussion?
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[22:52:10]<EugenMayer>mig5: looks like clone does not work
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[22:53:37]<joestewart>EugenMayer: from yesterday - did you see this? http://drupal.org/node/1009386
[22:54:13]<EugenMayer>joestewart: yes
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[22:54:32]<EugenMayer>http://community.aegirproject.org/node/299
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[23:07:01]<EugenMayer>mig5: ok verified. Clone does not ( at all or correctly ) migrate files. Migrate does
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[00:59:10]<jvc26>just a message to say cheers for such awesome software guys, just got aegir up and running after much palava, but it was worth it!
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[01:03:34]<adrinux>welcome to the aegir fan club jvc26 :)
[01:03:46]<adrinux>it's a pity there seems to be a rite of passage
[01:04:02]<jvc26>heh cheers - its a great piece of kit, once you get over various different minor issues
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[01:07:08]<adrinux>jvc26: certainly took me about 3 attempts to get it installed the first time :)
[01:07:49]<jvc26>heh - glad others went through the initiation too ;) Am going to write a brief blog post about things I found during the experiment which may offer some assistance to others
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[01:35:12]<jlkinsel>"Drupal sites directory /home/sddfd/public_html//sites is not writable by the provisioning script" is a bs statement. the directory is 777
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[02:22:49]<joestewart>jlkinsel: is there two slashes after public_html or is that a typo?
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[02:51:40]<jvc26>I have a brief question about multiserver aegir setup - in order to register MySQL support - is that done at the server level, or platform level, and secondarily, do I need to provide the root MySQL user?
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[02:52:53]<jlkinsel>it's done at the server level, and current aegir wants root
[02:53:38]<jvc26>hmm... would rather not give root if poss, but guess its setting up users and dbs, hence would require it... hmmm <dilemma>
[02:53:58]<jlkinsel>yeah, i'm in the same boat
[02:54:19]<jlkinsel>older aegir used to ask for a mysql user/pw, now it just asks for root passwd, altho I'm sure I could tweak things
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[02:54:40]<jvc26>what would possibly be a better solution would be to standardise on one mysql database, with per-site prfixes
[02:54:54]<jvc26>that way root would not be required at any stage of the process
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[02:55:44]<jlkinsel>you still need similar privs to grant users and manage the table grants
[02:55:56]<jlkinsel>only diff is the create database grant i think
[02:56:22]<jvc26>ah yeah - my bad, you would still want different users for each table (as per now with users per db)
[02:56:31]<jvc26>so thats not a solution...
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[02:57:19]<joestewart>jvc26: also not a solution because you can have multiple db servers with a choice of db server at site creation time.
[02:57:28]<jvc26>yeah
[02:57:35]<jvc26>hadn't thought of that side issue
[02:57:49]<jvc26>hmm... the thorny issue of sharing rootpwd. *sigh*!
[02:58:25]<jlkinsel>i'm tinkering with greensql...not sure how much it'll help
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[03:01:54]<Pls>hey
[03:01:54]<hefring>eh oh
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[03:05:09]<Pls>As I understand aegir supports nginx (still experimental, but should work). What I'm missing is a guide to install nginx on basic aegir installation, similar to apache2 install. I've tried installing Barracuda, but it keeps failing, so now I'm thinking just using basic aegir with nginx. This is related to http://community.aegirproject.org/node/292
[03:07:50]<omega8cc>Pls: nginx support is not really experimental, it is already used in production on hundreds of servers
[03:09:00]<Pls>omega8cc: Right, I guess I was confused that its in Experimental fieldset.
[03:09:05]<omega8cc>Pls: also, see my comment here: http://community.aegirproject.org/node/292#comment-272
[03:10:18]<jvc26>omega8cc: regarding that I did manage to get it installed in the end, though it was a bit more of a hasstle
[03:10:24]<jvc26>s/hasstle/hassle/
[03:10:35]<Pls>omega8cc: Yep, I saw that.
[03:10:37]<jvc26>omega8cc: thanks for the help yesterday btw
[03:10:56]<Pls>jvc26: See my comment http://community.aegirproject.org/node/292#comment-283
[03:11:16]<omega8cc>jvc26: feel free to post any issues you have found in the github queue
[03:11:16]<jvc26>aha - hadn't seen that
[03:11:18]<Pls>I'm sure we should provide more information
[03:11:26]<jvc26>I'll knock some notes together for you
[03:11:30]<jvc26>(and others)
[03:11:58]<omega8cc>great, thanks
[03:12:43]<Pls>jvc26: Great! Cant wait to see. We should create separate Nginx installation guide as this becomes more popular
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[03:13:30]<LloydPearsonIV>hello #aegir
[03:13:43]<LloydPearsonIV>I have a small issue that i need help resolving.
[03:14:09]<LloydPearsonIV>I haven't used aegir in quite a while but i love just how must easier it is to install
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[03:14:45]<LloydPearsonIV>i installed it on a server where i already have wordpress installed and it seemslike aegire is overiding all virtualhost settings
[03:15:04]<omega8cc>Pls: and the best guides are always written by real world users, I really know that stuff too well to write useful how-to probably ;)
[03:15:16]<LloydPearsonIV>i need a way for all domians that are not aegir domains to be sent to the wordpress installation
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[03:17:38]<Pls>omega8cc: You may be right. I could be that real world user, as I'm very advanced user. I think I could speak in human understandable language :) I just need content what to put in that guide. I hope jvc26 will help here.
[03:17:54]<Pls>oh.. *not very advanced user
[03:18:53]<omega8cc>LloydPearsonIV: Aegir takes over web server configuration so I guess you would need to create/include your custom vhosts in the main Apache or Nginx config, and it is not hard, afaik, or you can wait for this magic to happen: http://drupal.org/node/1044692
[03:19:49]<omega8cc>Pls: yep, that is what I mean, and it is ok
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[03:21:12]<jvc26>http://sequelae.wordpress.com/2011/02/04/aegir-drupal-deployment-made-si... was my initial notes-to-self on the topic - they don't cover installation in much detail, as eventually it was simply a 'run install.sh' I just had a few confusions regarding terminology, some minor issues with missed dependencies, and forgetting to tell aegir I was using nginx
[03:21:35]<jvc26>once I'd sorted the above, the installation ran smoothly.
[03:21:38]<LloydPearsonIV>omega8cc: i was considering modifying apache.conf in the /var/aegir/config dierectory
[03:22:05]<jvc26>So far, however, aegir hasn't appeared to want to put stuff in my /etc/nginx setup, which is odd, so I had to do that manually
[03:22:06]<LloydPearsonIV>there is a wildcard entry that points everything to 404
[03:22:15]<LloydPearsonIV>i was going to change it to my wordpress directory
[03:22:29]<omega8cc>no, wrong idea, you should try at Apache higher level config to include your vhosts
[03:22:49]<omega8cc>as Aegir will overwrite your changes here
[03:22:54]<omega8cc>in /var/aegir
[03:23:09]<jvc26>Pls: I can put some more formal notes together in time, but am pretty busy at the moment - watch this space
[03:23:46]<LloydPearsonIV>omega8cc: in that case how do i get to the main config on debian?
[03:24:30]<omega8cc>Met4physica: ping, Barracuda by default installs now curl lib based on openssl instead of gnutls, let me know if that helps
[03:25:53]<Pls>jvc26: Well, i'm not forcing you to write those notes right now, but it would be nice to get your notes when you have free time. Your blog post seems to be nice start for a guide.
[03:26:38]<omega8cc>LloydPearsonIV: I believe you could use vhosts standard dirs in /etc/apache2/
[03:27:07]<omega8cc>or maybe directly in /etc/apache2/conf.d/ - no idea as I don't use Apache with Aegir
[03:29:01]<jvc26>Pls: I didn't think you were, hope the notes help!
[03:30:37]<omega8cc>jvc26: Aegir will never touch anything in /etc/nginx
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[03:30:55]<Pls>jvc26: Yeah, its really a nice start.
[03:31:17]<Pls>omega8cc: Its on /config/server_master/nginx, right ?
[03:31:19]<omega8cc>it is using own config space in /var/aegir/config
[03:31:24]<omega8cc>yep
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[03:32:50]<omega8cc>jvc26: you only need to put a symlink in the standard /etc/nginx/conf.d/ directory, as explained in the docs/INSTALL.txt
[03:33:20]<omega8cc>so Aegir config + vhosts will be included in the main Nginx config
[03:33:34]<omega8cc>it works the same for Apache
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[03:38:09]<omega8cc>jvc26: also, it is recommended to always follow standard directory structure and use /var/aegir and *not* /home/aegir
[03:38:16]<V1ntage>I know this isn't relevant in this channel, but since I don't get an answer in the drupal channels, perhaps you know the answer:
[03:38:18]<V1ntage>After a failed login, I only get the message after another page refresh. The error messages are one pagecall behind. Any ideas?
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[03:47:45]<jvc26>omega8cc: ah thats what I was missing
[03:48:19]<jvc26>re: /var/aegir vs /home/aegir - is there any particular reason for that other than convention?
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[03:51:13]<adrinux>jvc26: aegir user is not a normal user
[03:51:36]<adrinux>why don't you have home/apache, home/mysql etc?
[03:52:26]<adrinux>I guess it's still a convention of sorts :)
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[03:59:30]<jvc26>adrinux: point
[04:01:24]<AntiNSA-AFK>greetings poeople
[04:01:32]<AntiNSA-AFK>I must make moore progress today.
[04:01:55]<omega8cc>jvc26: the standard for /home/user is: this directory is available for that users only, while aegir user is rather system kind of user and not "jailed" as standard users in /home (using permissions etc), for example also web user must be able to read incude files living in /var/aegir tree
[04:01:57]<AntiNSA-AFK>Challenge- Successfully complete site migration as described in the git
[04:02:08]<AntiNSA-AFK>#7
[04:02:42]<omega8cc>incl*ude files
[04:02:57]<AntiNSA-AFK>I would like to scan my imported database for errors and try to repair them. I am troubleshooting the reason why I cant complete a migration, and think its due to database corruption.
[04:03:08]<AntiNSA-AFK>creating a sys link does not work.
[04:03:17]<AntiNSA-AFK>you cant migrate when the file is linked.
[04:03:31]<omega8cc>you can
[04:03:43]<AntiNSA-AFK>can anyone tell me if the database has any way I can scan it and repair any errors
[04:03:49]<omega8cc>you must doing something wrong there
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[04:04:41]<AntiNSA-AFK>I believe you if yo usay it. I had errors when I tried yesterday. But if you say it can be done I will retry right now.
[04:05:16]<omega8cc>AntiNSA-AFK: you can scan and repair all databases using script - ready to use
[04:05:20]<AntiNSA-AFK>I believe their were specific errors. Wait 5 minutes.
[04:05:35]<AntiNSA-AFK>please tell me the script I will do that first
[04:05:54]<omega8cc>run this: bash /var/xdrago/mysql_repair.sh
[04:06:18]<omega8cc>it will log results in /var/xdrago/log/
[04:06:29]<AntiNSA-AFK>when you migrate after importing to the first empty site you have created, the database data should also be migrated, which it was not yesterday after migration.....
[04:06:37]<AntiNSA-AFK>ok I will run that now
[04:06:59]<AntiNSA-AFK>can I specify to only check the database I just imported?
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[04:07:08]<AntiNSA-AFK>the rest should be ok its a clean install
[04:07:47]<AntiNSA-AFK>its ok scanning it now.
[04:08:07]<AntiNSA-AFK>if you have a facebook omega I want to be your fan.
[04:08:41]<AntiNSA-AFK>I hate facebook, but add me. http://www.facebook.com/robertp.eaton
[04:08:59]<AntiNSA-AFK>you are an important part of the world. What your doing is right .
[04:09:46]<AntiNSA-AFK>how long will the scan take? Is it ok to creat a systme link while its doing the scan or should I wait?
[04:13:14]<AntiNSA-AFK>ok I can see so many different files. Any in particular from /var/vdrago/log/ ?
[04:13:37]<omega8cc>thanks, but I also hate FB (the first self-powered next-gen echelon), I'm so happy never used it
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[04:13:58]<omega8cc>there should be an extra subdir there
[04:14:01]<omega8cc>created
[04:14:07]<omega8cc>with logs inside
[04:14:11]<AntiNSA-AFK>I have never used in in many years. Blocked in China. I understand. There are so many things wrong with is.
[04:14:24]<AntiNSA-AFK>EMPTY.txt graceful.done last-run-tcotn proc_num_ctrl.done wait-runner
[04:14:24]<AntiNSA-AFK>VISITOR_ABUSE_ONE.log last-run-backup last-sqlcheck-clean purge_binlogs.done
[04:14:24]<AntiNSA-AFK>clear.done last-run-purge mysql_optimize usage
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[04:15:29]<omega8cc>mysql_optimize
[04:16:02]<AntiNSA-AFK>all.a.110204-170723 all.o.110204-171035 all.r.110204-170726
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[04:16:13]<omega8cc>yes
[04:16:31]<omega8cc>a for analyze, o for optimize and r for repair - logs
[04:17:12]<AntiNSA-AFK>ok Im new to this
[04:17:15]<AntiNSA-AFK>a *
[04:17:18]<AntiNSA-AFK>does nothing
[04:17:26]<omega8cc>the all.a.110204-170723 should tell you if anything was wrong
[04:17:44]<omega8cc>does the repair script still runs?
[04:18:00]<AntiNSA-AFK>its finished running
[04:19:50]<AntiNSA-AFK>so I should just scroll through it and check with my eyes for a table to say not ok or is there an automatic way to do this
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[04:21:09]<AntiNSA-AFK>the log stops @ mysql.user OK
[04:21:28]<AntiNSA-AFK>but I have many more tables... hmm. that must be wha tthe other logs are.. wait a seconf
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[04:27:05]<AntiNSA-AFK>it seems as though it did not scan my whole database... although I can find no errors in the log
[04:27:12]<AntiNSA-AFK>the log stops @ mysql.user OK
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[04:27:51]<AntiNSA-AFK>I will create link again
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[04:29:31]<AntiNSA-AFK> Could not create symlink for alias /data/disk/tcotn/static/platforms/tired/sites/www.alpha.thecenterofthenet.com (A symlink already exists at target, but it is pointing to alpha.thecenterofthenet.com)
[04:30:06]<AntiNSA-AFK>is the error I got before when trying to run the migrate with a symlink files directory before the migration.
[04:30:32]<AntiNSA-AFK>!ping
[04:31:05]<omega8cc>please take a notes maybe, as you are clearly not follow the how-to and my previous tips and it becomes hard to follow what are you doing there to assist etc
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[04:34:07]<LloydPearsonIV>for some reason, a paltform wont verify. I added it, then it said there was a permission issue. I fixed the permission issue now the verification porcess wont run on it at all.
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[04:35:56]<omega8cc>LloydPearsonIV: sound like your "fix" wasn' right
[04:36:06]<omega8cc>*s
[04:36:22]<omega8cc>oh typos
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[04:37:18]<LloydPearsonIV>chown -R aegir /var/aegir/ <---isnt right?
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[04:38:27]<AntiNSA-AFK>if you are talking to me, I followed your how too over and over, and am going to again... on your git. thats the error I received when tying to migrate
[04:39:10]<AntiNSA-AFK>with the smlink
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[05:17:20]<AntiNSA>was that my mistake omega to get that symlink error
[05:18:56]<AntiNSA>is there a manual way I can upmigrate and then update the database?
[05:19:00]<AntiNSA>!ping
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[05:25:41]<AntiNSA-AFK>I have a real hard time staying logged into irc tonight. If you sent me any info please resend it. I missed everything and have serious lag
[05:27:11]<AntiNSA-AFK>!ping
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[06:48:21]<jlkinsel>ew...mysql db root password stored in plain text in db. :/
[06:54:12]<AntiNSA>yes.
[06:54:22]<AntiNSA>daeth by migration.
[06:55:07]<AntiNSA>some one please tell me what omega / aegir alters in the database while migrating
[06:55:21]<AntiNSA>so I can manually do this.
[06:55:46]<jlkinsel>no idea, sorry. shouldn't be anything, really
[06:56:40]<jlkinsel>have you tried backing the site up with backup_migrate module, then restore it into an aegir managed site?
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[07:10:23]<Izaiah>I'm trying to install aegir, after it asks me if I want to proceed with the install I get this:
[07:10:29]<Izaiah>Fatal error: Call to a member function quote() on a non-object in /var/aegir/.drush/provision/db/db.drush.inc on line 326
[07:10:37]<Izaiah>anyone know anything about this?
[07:12:00]<jlkinsel>usually you get an error like that when a variable hasn't been set or a value somewhere was left blank...
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[07:14:55]<omega8cc>AntiNSA: Aegir does this replace mainly https://gist.github.com/804456 (plus some in themes/colors/logo settings)
[07:16:54]<omega8cc>Vertice mig5 anarcat: this is something we should participate in probably: Site Archive Format - http://groups.drupal.org/site-archive-format
[07:16:56]<Izaiah>jlkinsel: when i looked into it people were getting it from their mysql passwords having some characters that werent escaped properly but mine doesn't have any special chars
[07:17:28]<Izaiah>jlkinsel: the only other things it asked me for were frontend URL and admin user e-mail which i provided for both of them
[07:17:32]<jlkinsel>omega8cc: that'd be pretty cool
[07:18:12]<omega8cc>plus, it is already in Drush: http://groups.drupal.org/node/106754#comment-403749
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[07:21:52]<jlkinsel>Izaiah: not sure what to tell ya, sorry...somebody else might have more precise suggestions...I'd go back over the install instructions to make sure you're not missing anything
[07:23:01]<AntiNSA>Thank you sooo much omega!!!!!!!!!!!
[07:23:06]<AntiNSA>I will try it now
[07:23:07]<Izaiah>jlkinsel: thanks
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[07:23:28]<AntiNSA>watching Zeitgeist Moving Forward while working.........
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[07:23:40]<AntiNSA>Zeitgeist is good films I think
[07:23:54]<AntiNSA>my gift http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytBfshwlws0
[07:24:37]<AntiNSA>you should look. We live on such a broken planet with so broken people. Now maybe website can work. And help.
[07:24:37]<V1ntage>be careful with those movies AntiNSA, as they tend to have a slight drop of political views in them as well
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[07:25:29]<AntiNSA>yes. Perhaps. the view of antipolitical / anticapitalistic views.
[07:25:41]<AntiNSA>I think I am a fan of such views.
[07:26:08]<jlkinsel>is there a drush provision command to remove a platform? I'm not seeing it in help...
[07:26:27]<Met4physica>omega8cc: you're awesome - thanks, to get the new libcurl do i run barracuda update - any flags on it?
[07:27:15]<V1ntage>AntiNSA: zeitgeist and venus project are more marxist approaches, they don't work, unless for only 10 years or so
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[07:29:00]<AntiNSA>I have not thought of their films as giving a suggestion of an alternative to the problems which they discuss. I think you can only say they are marxist if they give alternatives. They dont give alternatives as much as saying what is broken. I think that I agree with their statements of what is wrong.
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[07:29:27]<omega8cc>Met4physica: just run the upgrade using latest Barracuda script, nothing to set there, it will force php rebuild for you
[07:29:43]<Met4physica>thank you i will close case if that fixes
[07:29:52]<omega8cc>thanks
[07:30:12]<AntiNSA>I think that pro capitalists are defensive and quickly dismiss them as marxist. I believe tat the internet is mankinds next step of evolution. and only after we have total free infromation and acces to it as a human family we will develop something much better than all the "Isms" of today.
[07:30:26]<AntiNSA>but , right now we are living in the dark ages.
[07:30:33]<omega8cc>Met4physica: please test it as didn't get a chance to test it, but I believe it should just work
[07:31:16]<V1ntage>AntiNSA: well yes of course, and a lot of the content in that movie is a good guide to see what could be improved, but a lot of it is also just plain wrong, like the very beginning of zeitgeist where they refer to Christ and the 12 apostels across different cultures. That history is not correct.
[07:31:23]<AntiNSA>like cavemen which have just found fire. The internet anf free information and finally unbiased education will give the human brain and family what re really need to get out of the dieased societies and man made governments we currently live in.
[07:31:34]<AntiNSA>sorry.
[07:31:42]<AntiNSA>thats all I have to say about that
[07:32:48]<omega8cc>jlkinsel: there is a button, at least :)
[07:33:38]<V1ntage>all of this is offtopic, I know, but anyway, I believe the next step is singularity
[07:33:40]<jlkinsel>:) that doesn't help my automation goals.
[07:33:46]<AntiNSA>liek I said. I am probably pschizophrenic... but I think what we are doing in this IRC room right now is networking our brains together and right this minute we are helping humanity and being a peice of a very important evolutionary process. like leaving the oceans and standing up to walk.
[07:33:54]<jlkinsel>i just gotta have a script call a robot to push buttons on the screen. ;)
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[07:34:46]<omega8cc>lol, then you should take a look under the hood
[07:34:56]<AntiNSA>what omega does in her country will change what I know coming from a differenct country which I will use in the classroom to help students of a third country... all together we are making humanity a better place. Awesome.
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[07:35:54]<jlkinsel>omega8cc: I knows, in time. :) Creating sites automatically is more important than deleting them. ;)
[07:36:07]<AntiNSA>without the internet and free open information we would olnly have the old system of working for the big man as either a factory owner, or a worker. Now we have something completely different and knew , and much faster information transfer than ever before in human history
[07:36:24]<AntiNSA>ok finished about that topic. Sorry.
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[07:36:37]<AntiNSA>but its exciting.
[07:38:16]<omega8cc>it is, also, a bit of off-topic is not that bad, however, it is more meta-topic than off-topic, to be correct
[07:39:40]<AntiNSA>in away I think it is the ultimate topic which is the result of everyones work in this channel. Even for those who are only looking for money in the moment. The finished product, the next omega release, whill be a tool of free information which will empower humanity.
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[07:40:06]<V1ntage>I mean
[07:40:10]<V1ntage>#philosophu
[07:40:11]<AntiNSA>this is the foundation of the death of or corporate capitalistic system.
[07:40:12]<V1ntage>grmbl
[07:40:15]<V1ntage>#philosophy
[07:40:17]<V1ntage>there, finally
[07:40:32]<AntiNSA>so thanks omega. you are changing the world.
[07:41:28]<V1ntage>AntiNSA: yes I believe you're right, both capitalism and communism and all variants will be ancient compared to what we'll see in the future
[07:42:25]* omega8cc trying to realize that :)
[07:42:48]<V1ntage>yet.. I also believe that genes are selfish as they try to survive and reproduce, and therefor hierarchy exists, it exists everywhere
[07:42:57]<AntiNSA>yes,. isnt it exciting? lets hope we dont kill each other or die for the wealth and greed of the few first. Can they give up their power without total destruction? We will see soon.
[07:42:58]<V1ntage>not only in humanity
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[07:45:36]<V1ntage_>right, I don't know what happened, it was weird
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[07:49:20]<AntiNSA>Did you ever think, maybe all of this war, and struggle, and greed, is natures way of population control? Because if we ever lived in pure utopia our planet would not have enough resources to support our life species; ad our technological advancements would not be high level enough? Is it only cooincidence that as countries develop, and wealth becomes more distributed, it happens in scale with
[07:49:21]<AntiNSA>our developments in science? I would guess the more perfect our science and more advnced our education is, then the less we will be driven by money and gree d and war. Darwinism+Moores law = hope for the future
[07:50:43]<V1ntage>I don't know, but I do know that humanity is very self-centered by nature. I think more fundamental changes need to happen to "what" we are in order to make such a profound change succesful
[07:50:48]<AntiNSA>the "Freemarket" like cancer. Servign a purpose of poulation control.
[07:52:16]<AntiNSA>with every product advancement, and every new phone, the short term individuale/corporate goal/driving factor is greed, but the resulting product/technological advancement makes even harder to make that corporate profit with the next new product.
[07:52:56]<lukus>ooh .. politics in aegir ;)
[07:53:03]<V1ntage>AntiNSA: that's a product of the current economic structure, watch "Money as debt" http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2550156453790090544#
[07:53:24]<lukus>that's a good video ..
[07:53:34]<lukus>quite an eye opener
[07:53:48]* V1ntage agrees
[07:53:53]<AntiNSA>Technology is cancelluing out profit. Pretty soon all humans will have advanced consumer electoronics, and even seconfd hand or old products will be in 15 years the biggest challenge to those corporations. No one will buy. There can be no more deisgned obsolescense.
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[07:54:31]<AntiNSA>technology will be sitributed, untill it saturates even the poorest.
[07:54:31]<V1ntage>AntiNSA, if you pause rambling for a second and watch that video, your economic knowledge will get a boost :)
[07:54:49]<AntiNSA>I gurantee you omegas work s going to help students who know nothing about it. Saturation.
[07:55:03]<lukus>I have an aegir question though .. at the moment I have two servers, if I install aegir on the second - can sites be easily commuted between the two?
[07:55:45]<lukus>I think I read that this was going to be a feature eventually - just wondering how far things have progressed
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[08:01:14]<jlkinsel>lukus: yes you can migrate sites between two servers with aegir
[08:01:27]<jlkinsel>"multisite" support is fairly stable, now
[08:01:32]<lukus>jlkinsel, sounds pretty amazing
[08:01:58]<jlkinsel>says a man who hasn't set it up yet. ;) ;)
[08:02:32]<jlkinsel>it's not flawless yet, but it is pretty cool
[08:02:45]<lukus>well - I'm going to transfer some sites the old way - then nuke my server .. and reinstall using barracuda
[08:03:42]<AntiNSA>WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY system/files/sites/default/files/pictures/
[08:03:59]<lukus>AntiNSA, that's a private filesystem path
[08:03:59]<AntiNSA>where is this reweritten in the process?
[08:04:07]<V1ntage>ahh private download
[08:04:14]<AntiNSA>where is this imagecache variable getting set to this path?
[08:04:22]<AntiNSA>THis is my biggest problem for days.
[08:04:46]<AntiNSA>system/files/sites/default/files/pictures/
[08:04:48]<lukus>there's a menu router row written in the database which translates the path /system/files based on drupal permissions
[08:05:07]<lukus>it's because you have private downloads turned on
[08:05:31]<AntiNSA>let me chck
[08:06:03]<lukus>you can either live with private downloads (and ensure your user has the appropriate rights) .. or switch it off
[08:06:22]<lukus>but remember, some of the urls that are currently stored might be incorrect
[08:06:56]<AntiNSA>no, the private downloads were not enabled....
[08:08:55]<AntiNSA>these values are from a database I dumped from a non-aegir drupal install thats working perfectly.
[08:09:15]<AntiNSA>Im all I did was import it into the site database.
[08:09:33]<lukus>it sounds hackish
[08:09:36]<AntiNSA>in the site were I dropped the database from the path is not written twice like that...
[08:09:42]<AntiNSA>system/files/sites/default/files/pictures/
[08:10:29]<jvc26>OOI, when you connect to a remote sever via aegir, does it make the mysql connection locally to localhost on the remote server?
[08:10:35]<AntiNSA>UPDATE `database`.`files` SET filepath = REPLACE(filepath, 'sites/default/', 'sites/yourdomain.com/');
[08:10:36]<AntiNSA>UPDATE `database`.`node_revisions` SET body = REPLACE(body, 'sites/default/', 'sites/yourdomain.com/');
[08:10:36]<AntiNSA>UPDATE `database`.`boxes` SET body = REPLACE(body, 'sites/default/', 'sites/yourdomain.com/');
[08:10:44]<lukus>AntiNSA, seriously - don't do that
[08:10:55]<lukus>use a pastebin
[08:11:05]<AntiNSA>sorry
[08:11:25]<lukus>jvc26, I was just reading http://developmentseed.org/blog/2010/jul/06/aegir-support-multi-server-s...
[08:12:33]<AntiNSA>does anyone know what table holds the imagecache path?
[08:13:15]<lukus>AntiNSA, sometimes, when you have a ball of string which is supremely tangled .. rather than try to untangle every strand - it's quicker (and cheaper) to rebuild
[08:13:40]<AntiNSA>I cant. I 650 students enrolled.
[08:13:47]<lukus>with drupal - often, you can export just the content types and content, and copy over the theme ..
[08:14:28]<lukus>the beauty of aegir is that it allows your site(data) to move freely
[08:14:52]<lukus>if you start hacking at the database without enough knowledge, you'll create road blocks which will stop it from being able to do its job
[08:17:06]<AntiNSA>I dont understand why image caches path is different when it is operateing under aegir/ vs operating in a standard drupal setup
[08:18:47]<lukus>have you tried flushing the caches?
[08:19:04]<lukus>(and the imagecache caches)?
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[08:19:27]<AntiNSA>where is the imagecache caches?
[08:19:34]<AntiNSA>are
[08:19:53]<lukus>find them .. use google - I'm sorry, but I can't walk you through everything
[08:20:16]<AntiNSA>hey no problem.
[08:20:27]<AntiNSA>you guys are doing a lot I appreciate your help.
[08:20:37]<lukus>I don't mean to be mean, I just don't want you to become known as a 'help vampire'
[08:21:01]<AntiNSA>:)
[08:21:05]<AntiNSA>you are right
[08:21:25]<AntiNSA>sometimes i learn less when just handed the anwer too. I try to catch myself.
[08:21:29]<AntiNSA>thanks
[08:21:38]<lukus>np
[08:21:39]<AntiNSA>making tea now.
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[08:42:08]<kvanderw>what's this? ::: gethostbyaddr(): Address is not a valid IPv4 or IPv6 address provision.inc:64
[08:42:30]<jvc26>lukuss:
[08:43:26]<jvc26>lukus: sorry about that, aegir builds configs locally then ships them to the remote - I assume therefore that means that it connects to localhost on the remote machine?
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[08:55:46]<jvc26>omega: Just a brief question about connecting to remote server MySQL resources- when I put in the username and password for the MySQL connection, the verify fails 'SQLSTATE[HY000] [2003] Can't connect to MySQL server on xxx.xxx.xxx (110)' - the mysql details are correct, the server connection via ssh is correct... any ideas thanks for any help!
[09:02:47]<kvanderw>are we having fun yet???
[09:02:47]<kvanderw>Fatal error: Call to a member function quote() on a non-object in /var/aegir/.drush/provision/db/db.drush.inc on line 326
[09:05:13]<jvc26>kvanderw - snap ;)
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[09:23:42]<AntiNSA-teatime>ok...
[09:24:49]<AntiNSA-teatime>Im finding that when I try to save filepath sttings, and hit the save, the file path is not saved... instead the page refreshes and the same file path is there, my settings do not change the settings in the path box
[09:25:12]<lukus>jvc26, I think it might .. I'm not totally sure yet
[09:25:39]<lukus>I do know that I had to give grants based on ip when I was hacking around with an earlier version of aegir
[09:26:03]<lukus>so maybe the mysql instance is connected directly
[09:26:26]<lukus>AntiNSA-teatime, check your settings.php .. something might be hardcoded there
[09:27:43]<lukus>kvanderw, looks like quote is part of PDO http://php.net/manual/en/pdo.quote.php
[09:27:57]<lukus>have you installed the module?
[09:28:07]<AntiNSA-teatime>ok
[09:32:39]<jvc26>lukus: PDO is included in php-mysql on Debian/Ubuntu
[09:32:46]<lukus>ah okay
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[09:33:20]<lukus>I'm compiled it myself in the past - and sometimes forgot to include it
[09:34:09]<jvc26>(or rather php5-mysql, apologies!)
[09:36:25]<lukus>*i've
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[09:36:28]<lukus>ah .. k
[09:36:42]<Met4physica>hey i am having an issue with IE8 users getting the certificate from the wrong site
[09:36:42]<Met4physica>I have two sepearate certificates enabled in Barracuda Aegir, however
[09:37:59]<AntiNSA-teatime>ah
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[09:38:02]<AntiNSA-teatime>is omega here?
[09:38:08]<AntiNSA-teatime>I just found this
[09:38:22]<AntiNSA-teatime>http://groups.drupal.org/node/124514
[09:38:32]<AntiNSA-teatime>perhaps this is my problem
[09:38:46]<AntiNSA-teatime>no , never mind
[09:38:51]<AntiNSA-teatime>its not.
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[09:43:16]<kvanderw>lukus: i Have pdo set as a use flag.... there is no separate pdo module in gentoo (yet??)
[09:43:29]<kvanderw>lukus: thanks for the input... off to do some googling about this.
[09:43:52]<Met4physica>how do i get my octopus SSL to get its own IP address
[09:44:02]<Met4physica>do I update that on the main barracuda aegir or on octopus /node/2/edit
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[09:56:19]<joestewart>AntiNSA-teatime: filepath changes? did you check settings.php ( file_directory_path) ? aegir sets this.
[10:01:41]<AntiNSA-teatime>ok checking now... is there anyone using imagecache that came from a standalone drupal and imported their database?
[10:01:48]<AntiNSA-teatime>I will check it now
[10:01:50]<AntiNSA-teatime>thanks
[10:02:25]<kvanderw>lukus: thanks.. that led me to the answer.... I forgot to turn on the use flag for 'mysql'.... go figure.
[10:02:47]<kvanderw>got further.... Dummy connection failed to fail:
[10:03:11]<kvanderw>be nice if I knew what function is sending this stupid error.
[10:03:20]<kvanderw>time for a grep I'm thinking.
[10:04:31]<kvanderw>grep gives me nada..... So there is no direct reference to the string in the folder heirarchy of /var/aegir.....
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[10:47:04]<omega8cc>Dear Barracuda & Octopus users: first, I'm not a bot, so sometimes I'm simply "not really here", second, if you *really* need my attention, make sure you are using my correct full name here: omega8cc, just don't expect I will scan everything to find if you mentioned Barracuda or Octopus, third, there is an issue queue on GitHub, if you ignore that fact, I will ignore you, finally, copy those 3 rules and paste them on your screen, just in
[10:47:04]<omega8cc>you tend to forgot they exist. Thank you for attention and have a lovely weekend! :p
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