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| [11:50:39] | <AntiNSA> | what is the folder which containts the drush aliases you have to delete for a site that you manually deleted? |
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| [12:04:10] | <hefring> | community => symlinking common modules => http://community.aegirproject.org/node/317 |
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| [13:31:18] | <AntiNSA> | community =======> using the default omega script/ should we enable server compression in performance or leav that diabled? |
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| [13:37:07] | <AntiNSA> | saved values on stock pressflow install will not save settings. when I try to select external caching, then save the preferences in admin/settings/performance in pressflow, the settings will not save. If I select external caching and click sae, it will revert to normal/ |
| [13:37:39] | <AntiNSA> | ========> omega8-cc saved values on stock pressflow install will not save settings. when I try to select external caching, then save the preferences in admin/settings/performance in pressflow, the settings will not save. If I select external caching and click sae, it will revert to normal/ |
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| [14:19:34] | <EclipseGc> | Vertice: indeed fatherhood does (especially when you're recovering from illness) |
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| [14:58:46] | <AntiNSA-AFK> | I have a problerm that my caching values, disabled, norma, agressive, external, the values aer not saved when clicking on save. This occurs in new installs and imported sites. Anyone have any Ideas? |
| [15:03:10] | <mig5> | that's a feature that has been removed in HEAD |
| [15:03:48] | <mig5> | either take the $conf['cache'] = 1 out of the settings.php (and maybe its template in provision) or override it in a file called 'local.settings.php' alongside your settings.php and put $conf['cache'] = (whatever); in it |
| [15:04:26] | <mig5> | the template is in /var/aegir/.drush/provision/platform/provision_drupal_settings.tpl.php. I wouldn't normally advise editing the template but since that line won't be in future releases anyway... |
| [15:08:36] | <AntiNSA-AFK> | so you mean since it has been removed the seetings for that are useless? |
| [15:08:57] | <mig5> | i mean since we have removed that for the next release, editing that template yourself (usually frownd-upon) is probably ok |
| [15:09:02] | <AntiNSA-AFK> | is there a recommended setting? Agressive/External/ |
| [15:09:10] | <mig5> | depends what you are trying to do |
| [15:09:47] | <AntiNSA-AFK> | I have a lot of students.... just trying to make my site faster and not crawl. |
| [15:10:09] | <AntiNSA-AFK> | is there a site which I can look at for a resource to what the best settings would be for what situations? |
| [15:11:05] | <mig5> | http://groups.drupal.org/high-performance |
| [15:12:08] | <AntiNSA-AFK> | thnks! so in the future releases the cache setting for internal/external/agressive/normal will be omitted ? |
| [15:13:06] | <mig5> | yes we won't even set it in the settings.php, leaving you to either a) put it in the local.settings.php (doesn't exist by default unless you create it), in the /var/aegir/config/includes/global.inc (globally applies to all sites) or just set it per site in each site's /admin/settings/performance or whatever it is (which gets stored in the database) |
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| [18:55:25] | <V1ntage_work> | hey omega8cc, I've been wondering, you wrote the following in the "import guide": "Chmod everything with: chmod -R 775 /static/custom/name" |
| [18:55:30] | <V1ntage_work> | shouldn't that be 755 for dirs and 644 for files by default? |
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| [19:06:49] | <cafuego> | V1ntage_work: 775 and 664 in theory, but in practice 775 is fine |
| [19:07:29] | <V1ntage_work> | cafuego: you mean 755, right? or am I wrong? |
| [19:07:40] | <cafuego> | V1ntage_work: I mean 775 |
| [19:08:04] | <V1ntage_work> | cafuego: ok thanks |
| [19:08:04] | <cafuego> | V1ntage_work: I like having all web files owned by a specific group so I don't have to su to a given user to make changes. |
| [19:08:17] | <V1ntage_work> | ahh ok, yes that explains a lot :) |
| [19:08:30] | <cafuego> | V1ntage_work: By giving a group write permissions all you do is add a user to that group :-) |
| [19:08:34] | <cafuego> | lazy++ |
| [19:08:39] | <V1ntage_work> | heh |
| [19:08:49] | <V1ntage_work> | yeah in fact it's handier, good point |
| [19:12:04] | <mig5> | in aegir we deliberately make dirs like files, themes and modules writable by the group, so you can add users to the 'aegir' group. otherwise, most things are 755/644, and the Verify task enforces these permissions when it runs |
| [19:13:56] | <V1ntage_work> | mig5 ah yes ic, just checked it again, and most permissions are set to rwxrwsr-x |
| [19:14:05] | <V1ntage_work> | files also |
| [19:14:28] | <V1ntage_work> | mig5, should I change the file permissions to 644? |
| [19:14:49] | <mig5> | depends on what you want to do! |
| [19:14:55] | <mig5> | so long as they're owned by the aegir user. doesn't matter too much |
| [19:15:07] | <mig5> | as i said, certain tasks in the aegir system will go and change the perms back to how it wants them anyway |
| [19:15:08] | <V1ntage_work> | ic, so it's not a security issue? |
| [19:15:16] | <V1ntage_work> | ah ok |
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| [19:35:23] | <mig5> | cafuego: :P |
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| [01:25:39] | <AntiNSA> | Varnish module is enabled, but configured to use default clearing: expire.module will be redundant with default clearing. Configure varnish.module to use selective clearing instead. |
| [01:26:06] | <AntiNSA> | is varnish not recommended with omega octopus/barracuda? |
| [01:26:30] | <AntiNSA> | APC stats PHP files to determine if they have been updated when apc.stat is set to 1. Disabling updates (set to 0) will increase performance. But web-server restart or call to apc_cache_clear() will be required to update. |
| [01:27:19] | <AntiNSA> | I am scared to do a lot because UI thought omega tuned everything already so you shouldnt adjust any of the settings. I thought they were already adjusted? |
| [01:27:19] | <EugenMayer> | AntiNSA: wow. Are you sure you need that hardcore tuning? |
| [01:27:30] | <EugenMayer> | because reading stuff like apc.stat=0 and you use drupal |
| [01:27:46] | <EugenMayer> | you will find 100 different ways to let drupal perfom better then those things |
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| [01:28:34] | <AntiNSA> | then perhaps I will disable those modules... I was assuming since they were included with pressflow and omegas script they were what make drupal faster. |
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| [01:29:15] | <AntiNSA> | I want to know what the optimal configuaration with omegas barracuda/octopus are. I know she has tweaked nginx so much, |
| [01:29:18] | <EugenMayer> | well they do, but iam not sure you should use all this when you are not 100% sure of what and how they work and were the side effects are |
| [01:29:37] | <AntiNSA> | I want to make sure I dont use any modules which kill her settings she has made under the hood. |
| [01:29:57] | <EugenMayer> | i see, well then i rather shut my mouth :) |
| [01:30:04] | <EugenMayer> | you better ask omega8cc then |
| [01:30:13] | <AntiNSA> | no I value your advice |
| [01:30:36] | <AntiNSA> | Im open to anything about makin drupal run faster. |
| [01:33:16] | <AntiNSA> | ==========omega8cc====> Please tell me which default caching modules work best out of the box/as include with the barracuda/octopus system. Which modules are safe to enable, and which should be left disabled. I am only talking about caching/performance based modules. |
| [01:33:42] | <AntiNSA> | ==========omega8cc====> Please tell me which default caching modules work best out of the box/as include with the barracuda/octopus system. Which modules are safe to enable, and which should be left disabled. I am only talking about caching/performance based modules. Related to pressflow platform. Sorry. |
| [01:36:21] | <omega8cc> | AntiNSA: in short: please STOP SPAMMING the IRC here and the Nginx group and the Aegir community site, you are a spammer! This is last time I'm responding to you to give you LAST chance: RTFM, read the readme on GitHub and search GitHub queue, over! |
| [01:38:30] | <AntiNSA> | wtf am I spamming? |
| [01:38:42] | <AntiNSA> | its wasnt doccumented the caching settings were disabled in head. |
| [01:39:06] | <AntiNSA> | where was the doccumentation that the stock imagecache was broken until the last head update? |
| [01:39:14] | <AntiNSA> | bug reporting is spamming? |
| [01:39:24] | <AntiNSA> | there were 3 other people with the same problem. |
| [01:39:36] | <omega8cc> | you never used bug report queue!!! |
| [01:39:42] | <AntiNSA> | the last head update just fixed it, yet you didnt tell the community anything about it. |
| [01:39:51] | <omega8cc> | again; you ARE a smapper |
| [01:39:56] | <omega8cc> | spammer |
| [01:40:14] | <AntiNSA> | I did post in the discussion area on git. what is the address to the bug report queue? |
| [01:40:27] | <omega8cc> | RTFM |
| [01:40:33] | <AntiNSA> | and 3o thers posted on groups.drupal,.org |
| [01:40:37] | <omega8cc> | over, really |
| [01:40:50] | <AntiNSA> | where does it say in the manual imagecache was broken? |
| [01:41:38] | <AntiNSA> | after a long process of troubleshooting I founf there was a update to the head which fixed that prob. |
| [01:41:40] | <omega8cc> | Vertice: consider kicking off that spammer, it is enough |
| [01:42:15] | <AntiNSA> | elitists. |
| [01:43:26] | <adrinux> | AntiNSA: well, just from lurking here I'd say you were a bit of a help vampire: http://slash7.com/2006/12/22/vampires/ |
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| [01:45:28] | <AntiNSA> | I spent 3 days on imagecache issues to find out it was a bug. Then another half day troubleshoting why caching settings wernt being saved. Then found out that was disabled in head. If there is a centralized location were those issues were listed let me know. afaik, there is no location on git which dicussed those 2 topiccs. Only in the most recent changeelog update was there a reference to the |
| [01:45:28] | <AntiNSA> | imagecache issue. |
| [01:46:39] | <EugenMayer> | AntiNSA: bugs should be documented? |
| [01:47:53] | <AntiNSA> | I put the issue in the duiscussion area of groups . drupal.org and the aegir discussion area. On major issues, like imagecache which so many people use, and performance setting page, its nice to mention something about it |
| [01:48:33] | <AntiNSA> | There were other people having the same issue, and if they are undoccumented atleast a good reply would be aknowledgind that is an issue rather than killing the meddenger |
| [01:48:38] | <AntiNSA> | messenger |
| [01:50:06] | <AntiNSA> | some things I am sorry to ask for help about... I apologise... but bugs should be aknowledged.. |
| [01:51:01] | <EugenMayer> | adrinux: hell damn what i nice article |
| [01:51:16] | <EugenMayer> | "how to build a forum". You mande my day buddy :) |
| [01:52:12] | <EugenMayer> | Be sure to differ between paid support, paid software and paid maintenance and complete free software, open source, and free time helping AntiNSA. Iam not taking sides here, was just a note. |
| [01:53:21] | <AntiNSA> | sure. Im not demanding. Im also a non-profit open education provider. I pass the effort on to others. not to my pocket. |
| [01:53:43] | <EugenMayer> | omega8cc: iam just currious. Is nginx really making such a difference or is it more a relgious / taste kind question? |
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| [01:54:21] | <AntiNSA> | good question. most say nginx uses less memory. There are a lot of benchmarking tests out there. |
| [01:54:46] | <AntiNSA> | but pantheon uses apache2.. |
| [01:55:29] | <EugenMayer> | omega8cc: i see a lot, or even more then a lot project switching to nginx. Iam not really deep into it, i just know the basics and yet my only "excurse" in "alternates to apache" was lighthttp which made quite some difference but just lacked of a lot of things i need. Kerb support ( back then ) proper DAV support, shibboleth. I took me even some time to get clean-urls running well and all this |
| [01:56:18] | <EugenMayer> | AntiNSA: is less memory the only factor? I mean taking less memory can make a performance hit |
| [01:56:24] | <AntiNSA> | no one ever gives an easy answer about it. like religion. they say for servers with little memory.. |
| [01:56:31] | <EugenMayer> | when you can enlarge the amount of e.g. mysql cache tables / their size |
| [01:56:47] | <AntiNSA> | I never here people with big servers talkking about it as much as those on a budget |
| [01:57:15] | <EugenMayer> | I just ask myself if i should take the hassle with all the moduels i need. I just need more then mode_php or some CGI |
| [01:57:29] | <omega8cc> | EugenMayer: I spent over 8 years with Apache and never even tried it with Aegir, it is not a preference, I was able to cut the costs of our hosting a few times thanks to Nginx I switched to after probably two years running Lighty - that is my answer |
| [01:58:05] | <EugenMayer> | omega8cc: interesting. so its about "how many apps i can stuff on this hardware"? Interesting aspect for me, as we are doing SaaS also |
| [01:58:38] | <EugenMayer> | omega8cc: So the answer would more "nginx does not perform 3x faster", but rather "it just eat lesser resources"? |
| [01:58:51] | <adrinux> | EugenMayer: those are interconnected |
| [01:59:02] | <EugenMayer> | sure. |
| [01:59:16] | <adrinux> | if you can deal with an individual connection faster, you can handle more connections concurrently |
| [01:59:44] | <omega8cc> | EugenMayer: I could say that running Apache these days is a matter of religion, lol |
| [01:59:52] | <EugenMayer> | hehe |
| [02:00:09] | * adrinux still uses apache |
| [02:00:15] | <omega8cc> | Nginx is many times faster, not just light |
| [02:00:31] | <EugenMayer> | Well i dont really care about "taste" here. I just need to see if the investment is worth. Iam not asking of "convince me". I just was interested in the "core pros / cons" |
| [02:00:41] | <adrinux> | it's what I know, it works, and I don't have the traffic to need anything else at the moment |
| [02:00:52] | <EugenMayer> | omega8cc: what about thrid party mods these days like kerb / shib ? |
| [02:01:08] | <EugenMayer> | adrinux: are you using nginx? |
| [02:01:23] | <adrinux> | no |
| [02:01:27] | <omega8cc> | I don't care as I don't need any of them |
| [02:01:34] | <EugenMayer> | i see |
| [02:01:51] | <adrinux> | maybe I'll find the time to play/learn nginx eventually |
| [02:02:04] | <EugenMayer> | most of the modules i use like expire can be replaced by proxys and stuff. But i deal with "logged" in users mostly |
| [02:02:23] | <EugenMayer> | I found out that actually really making a difference here is not APC |
| [02:02:34] | <EugenMayer> | its custom code + memcache tables |
| [02:03:06] | <EugenMayer> | When you finally can cache permissions (user permissions) grants and taxonom related stuff for non-anons |
| [02:03:15] | <EugenMayer> | you kind of speed up arrond a factor of ~10 |
| [02:03:52] | <adrinux> | wow |
| [02:03:56] | <AntiNSA> | Do you recommend memcache and varnish to be enabled with the pressflow platform dstributed with octo/barr.. I mean have you tweaked nginx for those? what do you think are the best caching modules to use? |
| [02:04:12] | <EugenMayer> | actually interesting, doesnt matter what hardware. Take the hadcore i7 with 8GB ram and one single drupal app and the ESXI client with ~500MB ram and ~1k mhz |
| [02:04:13] | <omega8cc> | also, running Nginx is not a sign of low budget site etc, see who is running it: the biggest sites in Russia first and then Wordpress, Acquia, SourceForge etc |
| [02:04:27] | <EugenMayer> | both get speed up arround this factor. |
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| [02:04:52] | <EugenMayer> | The greatest impact was on debbuging memcache and finding out how broken some memcache (php ) and memecached version are |
| [02:04:59] | <EugenMayer> | or at least how incomptible they are |
| [02:05:34] | <EugenMayer> | omega8cc: i was talking about hight profile / high budget apps. All on nginx. |
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| [02:06:27] | <EugenMayer> | using the wrong memcache / memcached version (e.g. taking the ones of debian lenny ) lets your app die |
| [02:06:34] | <EugenMayer> | Because Cache is never written. |
| [02:06:53] | <EugenMayer> | without any errors. So cache is rewritten _every_ response |
| [02:07:00] | <EugenMayer> | _that hurts_ :) |
| [02:07:45] | <omega8cc> | EugenMayer: those are well known bugs of some older memcache(d) versions |
| [02:07:56] | <EugenMayer> | Its even worth debuggin this with newer memcache variants as the double-cache. They cache in memcache and the DB at the same time. If there is no cache-hit in memcache, it asks the DB (and copies those values to memcache, at least trie ist ) |
| [02:08:07] | <EugenMayer> | omega8cc: defo not all of those are know. |
| [02:08:13] | <EugenMayer> | *known. |
| [02:08:39] | <EugenMayer> | omega8cc: i expect most of the people never seeing the issue, as you never get feedback |
| [02:09:16] | <EugenMayer> | writing into memcache unsuccessfully is not an error / log entry. Its simply never logged |
| [02:09:31] | <omega8cc> | EugenMayer: we use chained redis + memcache + db failover for over a year already, with good results |
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| [02:11:21] | <EugenMayer> | db failover with memcache is _awesome_ |
| [02:11:32] | <EugenMayer> | but before you use failover, debug your app ( not you, i mean in general ) |
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| [02:13:54] | <EugenMayer> | gitorious + drush make + drush make ui + aegir + sauce is so fecking awesome :) |
| [02:14:08] | <EugenMayer> | + fserver :) |
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| [03:14:51] | <AntiNSA-AFK> | anybody successfully importing feeds on chron run using feeds module? =======community >https://github.com/omega8cc/nginx-for-drupal/issues/issue/202 My chron runs, but it is not importing. This is only happening in my site in aegir/octopus. |
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| [03:29:37] | <omega8cc> | anarcat: you wrote we are rewriting paths also in node_revisions table - I'm afraid we don't do that (yet) |
| [03:30:17] | <omega8cc> | maybe we should, also in boxes |
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| [03:44:11] | <AntiNSA-AFK> | if there is anyone who has feeds importing without timeouts or importing on chron successfully let me know... I am forced to switch back to mercury because I have been unable to ge feeds to work with aegir |
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| [03:59:24] | <anarcat> | omega8cc: we are supposed to be doing that, and used to |
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| [04:05:29] | <omega8cc> | anarcat: hmm.. I don't see it in provision/platform/drupal/deploy.inc |
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| [04:06:34] | <omega8cc> | I can submit a patch, I assumed it is by design |
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| [04:09:42] | <anarcat> | it's not |
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| [04:17:55] | <HaloFX> | How can I kill a site install process that is hung? It has been trying to install a site for over 12 hrs! |
| [04:19:27] | <omega8cc> | HaloFX: delete the task node, or just the site node - it will delete also the task, then re-verify the platform as it is possible the site has been created anyway, and needs to be detected and imported by Aegir |
| [04:20:44] | <omega8cc> | iHaloFX: if that will work for you, consider updating online Aegic docs (not sure if this how-to is there already) |
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| [04:33:09] | <HaloFX> | Looks like something has run a muck. I can't bring up any other sites on the server or SSH in. |
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| [04:36:46] | <HaloFX> | Guess I will have to halt the VM. Will Aegir pick back up and try again? |
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| [04:37:00] | <HaloFX> | After the VM restarts? |
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| [04:51:08] | <omega8cc> | HaloFX: no, reboot will not help - there is no such thing as task auto-restart, sounds like you locked yourself on the firewall? |
| [04:52:54] | <HaloFX> | The hypervisor is showing a steady 50% CPU usage. I was able to connect with the hypervisor console, but it is REALLY slow. I have logged in, but no prompt yet. |
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| [04:54:59] | <HaloFX> | Apparently asking Aegir to install OpenPublish was more than it could handle! |
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| [05:09:49] | <HaloFX> | Reseting the VM made it responsive again, and then I was able to delete the task node, but that didn't get it. So I deleted the site node and verified the platform. The site had installed, but I had to rest the password. Thanks guys! |
| [05:14:39] | <omega8cc> | HaloFX: ouch, OpenPublish case - I can't install latest version even on 8GB RAM box with Aegir without a timeout, finally it got installed but task never completed in the frontend |
| [05:15:18] | <omega8cc> | HaloFX: yeah, that is how OP currently "works" |
| [05:16:28] | <omega8cc> | we already dropped OP support on our standard hosted Aegir completely |
| [05:16:54] | <omega8cc> | Tattler epic fail again |
| [05:17:20] | <HaloFX> | Hmm.. I should of mentioned OP earlier then, huh? |
| [05:17:58] | <omega8cc> | yeah, it could explain everything.. |
| [05:18:31] | <HaloFX> | I don't even know what I am going to do with it. Just say some chatter on #drupal about is and thought, what the heck, I will check it out. I have Aegir, should be a snap. HA! |
| [05:20:06] | <omega8cc> | HaloFX: OP devs recommend you should use 1-2 GB RAM *per site*, that explains more than enough |
| [05:21:00] | <omega8cc> | the open buffet syndrome should be renamed to Tattler/OP syndrome, imo |
| [05:21:01] | <HaloFX> | Ouch! I thought the 220 MB recommendation in their install info was steep! |
| [05:21:28] | <omega8cc> | it fails for me even with 512 MB set for php-cli |
| [05:21:50] | <HaloFX> | errr. that was 220 MB for PHP, but are you saying 2Gb for the server? |
| [05:22:01] | <omega8cc> | yes, 2G for server |
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| [05:22:15] | <omega8cc> | it is what *they* recommend |
| [05:22:20] | <HaloFX> | HA! I have 512MB on the VM! |
| [05:22:27] | <omega8cc> | ouch |
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| [05:23:01] | <lukus> | 2GB! |
| [05:23:05] | <omega8cc> | as I said already, it fails for me even with 8 GB |
| [05:23:05] | <HaloFX> | All my other Drupal stuff is happy with the 512 on the VM and 128 for PHP. |
| [05:23:13] | <lukus> | for a vanilla drupal site? |
| [05:23:42] | <lukus> | could there be a problem with the implementation? |
| [05:23:53] | <omega8cc> | lukus: OpenPublish site requires 1-2 GB of ram per devs |
| [05:24:08] | <omega8cc> | it is "by design" |
| [05:24:12] | <lukus> | omega8cc, do you know why? |
| [05:24:17] | <omega8cc> | by design |
| [05:24:28] | <lukus> | I don't understand :) |
| [05:24:29] | <HaloFX> | lukus: OpenPublish is a really crazy Drupal Install profile, over 30mb of modules on default install. |
| [05:24:32] | <Vertice> | no no. you are doing it wrong |
| [05:24:35] | <Vertice> | by "design" |
| [05:24:39] | <Vertice> | =P |
| [05:24:41] | <omega8cc> | lol |
| [05:24:45] | <omega8cc> | :D |
| [05:24:56] | <Vertice> | actually. i have no context |
| [05:25:04] | <Vertice> | i havent even installed open publish in years |
| [05:25:10] | <omega8cc> | Vertice: good catch! |
| [05:25:33] | <omega8cc> | by "design" - love it |
| [05:25:46] | <Met4physica> | does that mean they designed it to be inefficient? |
| [05:25:50] | <Met4physica> | just popping in here |
| [05:26:22] | <omega8cc> | it only means it is a "design" |
| [05:26:27] | <lukus> | maybe they're trying to create a high barrier to entry |
| [05:26:54] | <HaloFX> | All those extra modules and modifications, and the Update module is off? |
| [05:27:09] | <omega8cc> | lukus: no, you should see their code (and code comments) in Tattler! lol |
| [05:27:35] | <lukus> | :) I'm assuming it scary |
| [05:27:37] | <lukus> | *it's |
| [05:27:50] | <Met4physica> | i used to sell crm solutions like goldmine - they all had 2GB ram software requirements, but its a windows app |
| [05:28:15] | <omega8cc> | HaloFX: probably because they know the Update module will give you db lost connection on the first log in due to timeout |
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| [05:28:42] | <lukus> | do any of you run a ssd on yr desktop? |
| [05:28:50] | <HaloFX> | omega8cc: Quite possible. |
| [05:28:55] | <lukus> | I'm thinking about getting one because I can't upgrade my ram |
| [05:29:14] | <HaloFX> | lukus: Yes, 128gb Corsair Force |
| [05:29:31] | <lukus> | does it make a bit difference to responsiveness for you? |
| [05:29:33] | <omega8cc> | lukus: I have ssd on my mb air, go for ssd if you can |
| [05:29:49] | <HaloFX> | lukus: Put it in just before Christmas, also upgraded to 12gb of ram at the same time. |
| [05:29:51] | <lukus> | I might do.. my main prob is being able to keep a lot of things open |
| [05:29:55] | <lukus> | too much swapping |
| [05:30:02] | <lukus> | only have 4gb of ram |
| [05:30:42] | <omega8cc> | swap is super fast on ssd, of course |
| [05:31:01] | <omega8cc> | but it is better to have enough ram |
| [05:31:04] | <HaloFX> | lukus: I don't think it will make that much difference in that case. |
| [05:31:28] | <lukus> | hmm |
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| [05:31:41] | <lukus> | maybe I just need a new machien |
| [05:31:52] | <HaloFX> | lukus: Unless maybe you installed it as a dedicated drive for virtual memory? |
| [05:32:17] | <lukus> | I could do HaloFX .. but linux swap part. are generally pretty smal |
| [05:32:18] | <lukus> | l |
| [05:32:30] | <lukus> | not sure how the rule changes for ssd |
| [05:32:31] | <HaloFX> | lukus: But a new motherboard might be cheaper and give lots of new extra features. |
| [05:32:51] | <lukus> | (true |
| [05:33:36] | <HaloFX> | Does Linux support TRIM?? |
| [05:33:47] | <HaloFX> | LAst I heard only Win7 did |
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| [05:34:33] | <HaloFX> | Trim is critical to keep an SSD running happy over the long term. |
| [05:35:30] | <Met4physica> | i just got an amd quad core phenom 2 - its super fast |
| [05:35:39] | <Met4physica> | and 2 1TB drives ($60/piece) from newegg |
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| [05:37:24] | <lukus> | I haven't heard of trim HaloFX |
| [05:37:45] | <lukus> | Met4physica, I've got a quad core amd too |
| [05:37:56] | <lukus> | memory is my biggest prob at the moment |
| [05:38:05] | <Met4physica> | i got 8GB ram for like $90 or something? |
| [05:38:10] | <Met4physica> | 4x2 |
| [05:39:06] | <Met4physica> | actually i got this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233144 |
| [05:40:09] | <HaloFX> | lukus: Platter drives just forget where things are and don't actually clear data when files are deleted to save time. |
| [05:41:02] | <HaloFX> | This causes all kinds of trouble on an SSD. Trim actually deletes the data, clears the space. Otherwise they start slowing down over time. |
| [05:41:34] | <lukus> | it is a hardware enabled standard HaloFX ? |
| [05:41:45] | <HaloFX> | Quad core i7 wirh hyper threading, OS sees 8 cores, AWESOME! |
| [05:42:09] | <HaloFX> | Trim is software in the OS to manage the SSD |
| [05:42:16] | <lukus> | ah |
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| [05:45:53] | <HaloFX> | omega8cc: Thanks again for the help. |
| [05:46:21] | <HaloFX> | Gotta get the kiddos lunch and off to preschool. |
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| [06:05:40] | <mvc> | HaloFX: linux has supported TRIM since 2.6.33 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRIM#Operating_system_and_SSD_support |
| [06:06:35] | <mvc> | but anyways you can do the same thing outside the kernel too |
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| [06:14:12] | <EugenMayer> | Hello. I must missing something, i just dont get it |
| [06:14:35] | <EugenMayer> | when i import a site..i create the platform, import the DB and copy over the files to the platform + site _on the remote host_ right= |
| [06:14:52] | <EugenMayer> | somehow, when i then migrate the site on the same remote to a new platform, the files are not copied. What do i miss |
| [06:15:05] | <EugenMayer> | do i have to verify the site after coping over the files or simething? |
| [06:20:54] | <EugenMayer> | interesting. When i re-verify the site, all files are gone |
| [06:21:11] | <EugenMayer> | anybody has an idea? iam sure its only a short note so i ca head-to-table again :) |
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| [06:39:43] | <noecc> | EugenMayer: http://drupal.org/node/976300#comment-3747738? |
| [06:40:14] | <EugenMayer> | noecc: :/ |
| [06:40:26] | <EugenMayer> | noecc: aegir really needs an official issue queue |
| [06:40:51] | <EugenMayer> | not something in the backyards...i would have searched there otherwise |
| [06:40:54] | <EugenMayer> | noecc++ |
| [06:40:56] | <EugenMayer> | Thank you! |
| [06:42:14] | <noecc> | EugenMayer: Issue queue: http://is.gd/edalY |
| [06:43:02] | <EugenMayer> | noecc: i though aegir moved away form the d.o project? |
| [06:43:47] | <noecc> | All except the issue queue. |
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| [06:45:47] | <EugenMayer> | noecc: ok, fine. Thanks |
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| [06:48:53] | <EugenMayer> | noecc: that solved my issue, just verified. thank you |
| [06:52:55] | <HaloFX> | I was going to try and add some documentation about fixing a stuck task to the handbook, as omega8cc suggested. I don't see a troubleshooting section, would Using Aegir me appropriate? |
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| [06:59:08] | <omega8cc> | HaloFX: I think yes, maybe even sub-section there like Problems solving etc |
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| [07:14:47] | <HaloFX> | omega8cc: Thanks. |
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| [07:59:25] | <HaloFX> | I created a 'How to fix a stuck task' page in Using Aegir. There is a Troubleshooting Aegir page under Getting Help, but it seems unrelated to me. |
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| [08:05:38] | <omega8cc> | HaloFX: excellent! http://community.aegirproject.org/node/321 thank you! |
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| [08:16:48] | <obrienmd> | omega8cc: here's an interesting one: when using dev alias, my mailhandler 2.x feed fetcher/processors show up fine, but site says plugins missing when using non-dev alias. |
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| [08:21:17] | <mikl> | Just found an old blog post claiming that Aegir 1.0 would be out on D7 in early 2011 :) |
| [08:21:25] | <mikl> | http://developmentseed.org/blog/2010/sep/02/aegir-10-release-drupal-7-ea... :) |
| [08:21:51] | <obrienmd> | omega8cc: will do some more investigation then post to github |
| [08:22:44] | <anarcat> | mikl: and you're coming here to offer your help! that's awesome! :P |
| [08:24:03] | <mikl> | anarcat: at the moment just wondering – 0.4 is Drupal 6 based, right |
| [08:24:11] | <anarcat> | mikl: that is correct |
| [08:24:34] | <anarcat> | i am not sure we will spend a lot of efforts towards d7 that soon... maybe that announcement was a bit optimistic :) |
| [08:25:20] | <mikl> | yeah, it's not really all that important what your hostmaster runs on, I suppose |
| [08:25:36] | <anarcat> | yeah. |
| [08:25:47] | <anarcat> | the idea was to make the 1.0 release really solid and supported long term |
| [08:28:20] | <mikl> | okay, been wanting to kick the tyres on Aegir for a while, managing your own hosting setup is not all that fun |
| [08:28:37] | <mikl> | anyone using Aegir with nginx? |
| [08:29:52] | <anarcat> | mikl: omega8cc is |
| [08:30:34] | <mikl> | ah, good to hear :) |
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| [08:33:38] | <cafuego> | mig5: wtf? |
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| [08:50:11] | <mig5> | cafuego: whats wrong with you |
| [08:50:30] | <cafuego> | mig5: brain disorder? |
| [08:50:43] | <cafuego> | mig5: but srsly |
| [08:50:44] | <mig5> | i figured |
| [08:50:47] | <cafuego> | brain disorder? |
| [08:50:55] | <cafuego> | No, you did a :P yesterday |
| [08:51:01] | <mig5> | ah |
| [08:51:11] | <mig5> | and you *tried* to do an aegir install on etch |
| [08:51:16] | <mig5> | i maintain only one of us has the brain disorder |
| [08:51:21] | <mig5> | :) |
| [08:51:41] | <cafuego> | Well it's not listed as "won't work" and it does have php 5.2 :-) |
| [08:51:50] | <mig5> | i admit i still have several etch machines, ugh |
| [08:51:57] | <cafuego> | Oddly, the final error I get is that it reckons it can't create databases. |
| [08:52:00] | <mig5> | it gets to that point where it's easier/safer to migrate shit off it |
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| [08:52:04] | <mig5> | than upgrade |
| [08:52:12] | <cafuego> | mig5: This is a Linux Australia box |
| [08:52:24] | <mig5> | the final error might just be a symptom of the former |
| [08:52:27] | <cafuego> | mig5: Yeah; we're looking at buying new servers and then migrating. |
| [08:52:38] | <mig5> | i smell a committeeeeee |
| [08:52:40] | <mig5> | :) |
| [08:52:47] | <cafuego> | I ended up hardcoding the answers to the questions it's asking during setup |
| [08:52:59] | <cafuego> | mig5: Oh it's worse! |
| [08:53:07] | <cafuego> | mig5: The committee is overseen by a council! |
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| [08:53:11] | <mig5> | there's worse than a committee |
| [08:53:12] | <mig5> | oh god |
| [08:53:17] | <mathieuhelie> | Am considering centralizing all my Drupal admining to Aegir, only one caveat stopping me: Is it possible to build a platform with customized modules (for example, tweaks to LoginToboggan) while using mig5's Drush Make workflow? |
| [08:53:28] | <mig5> | mathieuhelie: of course |
| [08:53:40] | <mig5> | drush make allows you to pull your own modules from git or wherever, or apply patches to contrib modules |
| [08:53:41] | <cafuego> | mathieuhelie: Now mig5 is going to tell you "of course" |
| [08:54:01] | <mig5> | just project[logintoboggan][patch]="http://somewhere.com/my.patch" |
| [08:54:09] | <mathieuhelie> | oh yeah patches, remember Antoine telling us that |
| [08:54:55] | <mathieuhelie> | so then every time the module updates, the patch is automatically reapplied, like a git merge of sorts? |
| [08:55:02] | <mig5> | yes. |
| [08:55:11] | <mig5> | and if it gets too hard to patch cleanly, just fork the module ;) |
| [08:55:21] | <mig5> | and fetch it from your own git or something in the makefile |
| [08:55:22] | <cafuego> | reeeeeeebase |
| [08:55:25] | <mathieuhelie> | awesome, thanks so much |
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| [09:15:13] | <omega8cc> | obrienmd: thanks, any steps to reproduce the issue also appreciated |
| [09:16:12] | <obrienmd> | will do! |
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| [09:18:15] | <omega8cc> | mig5: I will try it again, but yesterday, with your re-applied patch it failed to upgrade hostmaster (on nginx) now also with drush 3.3 (wtf?) so i decided to relax a bit first and attack the problem again today |
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| [09:23:26] | <obrienmd> | omega8cc: do you plan on moving issue queue / dev for barracuda / octopus to d.o once the git migration is complete? |
| [09:24:08] | <obrienmd> | omega8cc: what I'm asking is, you've mentioned github issue queue is not optimal for this project, is that the trigger to move to d.o? |
| [09:26:31] | <omega8cc> | obrienmd: I don't think we can do that, as it is not a drupal module etc. but we will move away from github queue asap, their search engine is an epic fail |
| [09:27:56] | <obrienmd> | omega8cc: I know, it's unbelievably bad |
| [09:28:00] | <anarcat> | mig5: yo |
| [09:28:16] | <obrienmd> | omega8cc: it's too bad you can't just set it up as a d.o "project"... I understand why, but d.o issue queues rock |
| [09:28:33] | <anarcat> | mig5: RC wednesday - could u help? |
| [09:28:36] | <obrienmd> | oemga8cc: I thought there was precedent, but I'm having a tough time thinking about it |
| [09:31:05] | <cafuego> | Well, that was rude. |
| [09:33:20] | <omega8cc> | obrienmd: well, there is a well known example the project on d.o don't need to be a part of drupal core, or module or theme or installation profile ;) |
| [09:34:12] | <omega8cc> | obrienmd: do you know that example? |
| [09:34:37] | <anarcat> | cafuego: what was? |
| [09:34:45] | * anarcat didn't follow the conversation |
| [09:34:59] | <cafuego> | anarcat: My internet connection went away |
| [09:35:57] | <omega8cc> | obrienmd: hint - it is introduced as a "command line shell and scripting interface for Drupal" ;) |
| [09:40:19] | <mig5> | fuck that was annoying internode. |
| [09:40:22] | <mig5> | you too eh cafuego |
| [09:40:25] | <cafuego> | yep |
| [09:40:26] | <mig5> | seemed to be most of Vic! :) |
| [09:40:33] | <cafuego> | lovely |
| [09:40:37] | <mig5> | anarcat: sure I can help |
| [09:40:49] | <mig5> | 09:18 <+omega8cc> mig5: I will try it again, but yesterday, with your re-applied patch it failed to upgrade hostmaster (on nginx) now also with drush 3.3 (wtf?) so i decided to relax a bit first and attack the problem again today |
| [09:40:53] | <mig5> | ok, i guess i will revert it again |
| [09:40:56] | <cafuego> | My modem is sort of fuckswed, so it's always a question of whether it's node versus the hardware finally giving up for good. |
| [09:41:01] | <mig5> | didn't try an upgrade |
| [09:41:12] | <mig5> | cafuego: we have two connections and both of them are with Internode #doingitwrong |
| [09:41:17] | <cafuego> | heh |
| [09:41:21] | <mig5> | sadly i have not been impressed by other vendors in my quest to 'multihome' our office |
| [09:41:29] | <mig5> | recommendations welcome.. |
| [09:41:47] | <anarcat> | mig5: psk over ham radio |
| [09:41:56] | <cafuego> | mig5: You want one that's reliable and one that gives you cheep bulk data i reckon |
| [09:42:02] | <anarcat> | even lives through egypt outage! :P |
| [09:42:03] | <omega8cc> | mig5: wait, I really need to test it all again on a fresh vps, as I know it is possible it failed to upgrade previously failed upgrade cascade etc etc |
| [09:42:19] | <omega8cc> | mig5: I will report results in the queue |
| [09:42:25] | <mig5> | cafuego: i looked iinet but i don't like that the ycharge for uploads |
| [09:42:39] | <mig5> | thanks omega8cc. don't worry, i've no doubt i have broken it :) |
| [09:42:39] | <cafuego> | mig5: ah yes. that's poos |
| [09:42:50] | <mig5> | i think anarcat has the right idea |
| [09:43:20] | <cafuego> | mig5: true, there's no point counting uploads over psk over ham |
| [09:43:29] | <cafuego> | you might squirt 2Mb through over the course of a month |
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| [09:47:01] | <anarcat> | that was a joke |
| [09:47:07] | * anarcat out |
| [09:49:58] | <anarcat> | http://www.computerminds.co.uk/node/1070 |
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| [10:25:38] | <AntiNSA-AFK> | I think that the error with feeds was my fault. Apparently the node creator mode some how was disabled in the transfer...... |
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| [10:36:36] | <AntiNSA-AFK> | ========>omegga8cc Can you tell me how long before you will create a head version in chich ou can set the caching to agressive/external from within the drupal admin section? |
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