IRC logs for #aegir, 2011-02-10 (GMT)

2011-02-09
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[11:04:48]<CIA-67>aegir/hostmaster: anarcat * r722f4b1fa6b3 /modules/hosting/task/hosting_task.module: #931420 by tstoeckler - remove underscores in task block
[11:05:46]<anarcat>okay
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[11:05:54]<anarcat>i went through all 'needs review' and RTBC issues
[11:06:21]<anarcat>we still have 4 pages of issues, but lots of fixed shit
[11:06:49]<anarcat>and we have 3 opened critical, 4 if we count that damn sites form performance problem
[11:07:06]<anarcat>ie. we're pretty close to the RC, again
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[11:07:11]<mig5>i think we will be down to one page of bugs when those fixed issues close
[11:07:23]<mig5>i thinkwe just need to fixthe fucking upgrade path now
[11:07:34]<mig5>nice work anarcat
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[11:08:50]<anarcat>thanks
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[11:23:44]<omega8cc>anarcat: that was a fast ride
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[11:58:20]<anarcat>omega8cc: what was?
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[11:59:04]<mig5>ooh, head is broken
[11:59:11]<mig5>the indexes, i think
[11:59:33]<mig5>lots of this http://pastie.org/private/so4uhszsiizilt9xeslrza
[12:00:25]<mig5>sorry, earlier http://pastie.org/private/cxbvjdevz0ztcdqhop9v8a
[12:00:32]<omega8cc>anarcat: your issue queue cleaning, it was anarcat on steroids version :)
[12:00:37]<mig5>anarcat: ^^
[12:02:10]<anarcat>oops.
[12:02:37]<anarcat>rah wtf did i do again :(
[12:02:48]<anarcat>maybe i should just merge the prod-koumbit branch and get it over with
[12:02:58]<anarcat>mig5: can you test head again quickly in like 5 min?
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[12:03:49]<mig5>sure thing
[12:04:02]<mig5>it seems to be a null index or something weird
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[12:06:15]<jcapelo>how do I associate a user to a client?
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[12:06:49]<mig5>what a time for server issues
[12:06:54]<mig5>waht was the last thing i said in here?
[12:07:40]<mig5>...
[12:07:43]<mig5>anyway this looks odd
[12:07:44]<mig5> 46 'indexes' => array('hosting_package_nid_idx', array('nid')),
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[12:08:35]<anarcat>20:04:02 <@mig5> it seems to be a null index or something weird
[12:08:50]<anarcat>that's the last thing you said here before asking
[12:08:55]<anarcat>i'll merge prod-koumbit now
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[12:09:16]<mig5>sigh
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[12:09:26]<anarcat>20:08:35 <@anarcat> 20:04:02 <@mig5> it seems to be a null index or something weird
[12:09:29]<anarcat>20:08:49 <@anarcat> that's the last thing you said here before asking
[12:09:30]<mig5>ah
[12:09:31]<anarcat>20:08:55 <@anarcat> i'll merge prod-koumbit now
[12:09:32]<mig5>anarcat:
[12:09:34]<anarcat>mig5: ^
[12:09:39]<mig5> 46 'indexes' => array('hosting_package_nid_idx', array('nid')),
[12:09:44]<mig5>that looksodd
[12:09:47]<mig5>compared to this
[12:09:49]<mig5> 95 'indexes' => array('hosting_package_rid_idx' => array('rid'), 'hosting_package_id_idx' => array('package_id')),
[12:09:52]<mig5>(later)
[12:09:57]<anarcat>indeed
[12:09:58]<mig5>is it simply that?
[12:10:00]<anarcat>probably
[12:10:31]<mig5>it's the same in your prod-koumbit
[12:10:46]<mig5>probably just not detected before because it works fine on updatedb, but not in the schema definitions themselves
[12:11:07]<anarcat>what's the file?
[12:11:14]<mig5>hosting_package.install
[12:11:23]<anarcat>i see
[12:11:24]<anarcat>i'll fix it
[12:11:28]<mig5>hosting_package_schema
[12:12:10]<mig5>'indexes' => array('hosting_package_nid_idx' => array('nid')),
[12:12:14]<mig5>i think is what it should be
[12:12:14]<CIA-67>aegir/hostmaster: anarcat * r5e2735cb7aef /modules/hosting/package/hosting_package.install: fix yet another typo in the hosting_package indexing
[12:12:15]<mig5>but not sure
[12:12:16]<anarcat>there.
[12:12:17]<mig5>ah
[12:12:19]<mig5>:)
[12:12:31]<mig5>thanks i'll test now
[12:12:41]<anarcat>thanks!
[12:14:17]<mig5>whee
[12:14:19]<mig5>it works
[12:14:20]<mig5>thanks
[12:15:18]<anarcat>no thank *you*
[12:15:20]<anarcat>i screwed up there
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[12:15:40]<mig5>this is why it's good to put stuff into master i spose :)
[12:15:50]<mig5>harder to test feature branches
[12:15:53]<mig5>or more time consuming rather
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[12:17:23]<anarcat>yep
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[18:02:17]<EugenMayer>Morning
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[18:47:07]<cmcintosh>whats up gang
[18:47:10]<cmcintosh>long time no see
[18:47:42]<cmcintosh>mig5: how things going in your neck of the woods, we should be about on the same sleep pattern now that im in the philippines
[18:48:50]<cmcintosh>whats up anarcat an Vertice
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[19:20:26]<cmcintosh>HaloFX: :)
[19:20:47]<cmcintosh>i love teasing sales reps
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[23:03:20]<hefring>community => Clone limitation? => http://community.aegirproject.org/node/337
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[04:39:12]<anarcat>univate: thanks for the patches and reviews, great work!
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[06:24:15]<hefring>community => Changes to community.aegirproject.org => http://community.aegirproject.org/node/338
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[06:50:41]<anarcat>i have given +v to people that have contributed patches that i can remember, sorry if i forgot anyone, let me know!
[06:51:55]<anarcat>that's a trick to remember who to ping during the scrum
[06:51:59]<anarcat>which is about to begin, btw :)
[06:52:39]<omega8cc>8 minutes to scrum, hello!
[06:52:47]<anarcat>hello grace!
[06:53:32]<anarcat>that +v thing is a good idea, i think - if the channel gets busy, we can get some silence (+m) during the scrums...
[06:55:03]<omega8cc>anarcat: that can be useful especially if we will see more "to be educated" newbies in the future
[06:55:26]<lukus>hi omega8cc - which firewall do you use in barracuda?
[06:55:41]<lukus>what's the scrum btw?
[06:55:47]<omega8cc>lukus: lfd + csf
[06:56:01]<lukus>thx
[06:56:34]<omega8cc>lukus; http://community.aegirproject.org/scrums
[06:57:06]<lukus>ah ha
[06:57:07]<lukus>thx
[06:59:14]<mig5>good idea re: m+
[06:59:23]<anarcat>alright
[06:59:30]<anarcat>+m only if necessary, i think.
[06:59:32]<mig5>i have noticed we have some users that sit and wait until lots of us start talking, then pounce :)
[06:59:35]<anarcat>but +v in preperation is good
[06:59:37]<mig5>yes
[07:00:09]<anarcat>aaaalright
[07:00:13]<anarcat>hellow everybodyyy!
[07:00:17]<anarcat>welcome to our weekly scrums
[07:00:25]<anarcat>(we need a bot for that cheering crap - anyways)
[07:00:33]<anarcat>i
[07:00:36]<anarcat>have done nothing again. :P
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[07:00:40]<anarcat>actually, that's not true
[07:00:49]<anarcat>i have done a good review of the queue
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[07:00:59]<anarcat>to try to prepare for the RC
[07:01:06]<anarcat>committed a bunch of things lying around
[07:01:21]<mig5>you've done great
[07:01:22]<anarcat>and then univate decided to submit a bunch of patches on top of that, so i'll have to start all over again
[07:01:25]<anarcat>univate: thanks ;)
[07:01:31]<anarcat>yeah, it's been good
[07:01:42]<anarcat>i still have to review my own internal aegir shit before we go towards a release
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[07:01:53]<anarcat>we have around 200+ issues in our internal queue, it's a mess
[07:02:15]<anarcat>we had a marketing meeting today where we determined our priorities, but i am not sure i should talk about that now ;)
[07:02:23]<mig5>:)
[07:02:26]<anarcat>expect another announce soon
[07:02:54]<anarcat>we are in talks with devseed to migrate the OA site (community.a.o) to Koumbit (? or mig5 ?) THIS MONDAY!
[07:03:05]<anarcat>so consider this the first announcement:
[07:03:21]<anarcat>ON MONDAY, 16H EST, the community site will go down for a migration
[07:03:28]<anarcat>(that's about the same time as now +1h)
[07:03:53]<anarcat>i still hope that we can RC next week, which will mean creating the 0.4.x branch
[07:04:12]<anarcat>but before that, i want to do some tests on my side and review our queue
[07:04:32]<anarcat>we had a weird issue with cron not running on a site here, that i have trouble making a diagnostic of
[07:04:36]<anarcat>with that
[07:04:38]<anarcat>i think i am done, mig5 ?
[07:04:43]<mig5>ok
[07:05:03]<mig5>not much to report, other than i think the only real blocker to getting an rc out, is that the upgrade path is broken
[07:05:20]<mig5>http://drupal.org/node/1056864
[07:05:33]<anarcat>i was scared to read that issue
[07:05:35]<mig5>i really need to speak to unconed about this since it's his patch,
[07:05:46]<mig5>and only he understands it, it's like talking to another Vertice :)
[07:06:07]<anarcat>good good :)
[07:06:19]<mig5>that's really all from me :s
[07:06:25]<anarcat>plans for next week?
[07:06:41]<mig5>to try and fix that, I suppose
[07:06:46]<anarcat>cool
[07:07:09]<anarcat>(as an aside, we just found this code in /var/aegir/fuck.php on our prod server, before destroying it, i pastebin'd it in the idea it might be useful for others: http://pastebin.com/163byC1z)
[07:07:13]<anarcat>(i am not sure what it does)
[07:07:25]<mig5>wtf
[07:07:30]<anarcat>okay, anyone else?
[07:07:34]<omega8cc>Last week I worked on some new features in the Nginx for Aegir configuration, like improved caching and performance (patches to be submitted), and tested everything with Drush 4 and 5 (head)
[07:07:53]<omega8cc>Now still working on issues like http://drupal.org/node/1056864, and hope to fix more Drush related issues next week to get Aegir Drush 4 compatible. That is it from me :)
[07:08:10]<anarcat>adrinux / darthsteven / EclipseGc / ergonlogic / grugnog_ / mvc / sfyn / skwashd / univate : you're all aegir contributors and welcome to say hi during this scrum - what you're working on these days... etc
[07:08:14]<anarcat>thanks omega8cc !
[07:08:29]<darthsteven>Sure...
[07:08:42]<mig5>oh yeas darthsteven wrote some killer docs :)
[07:09:01]<darthsteven>I added the first part if some docs about context
[07:09:17]<darthsteven>More to follow, and extra docs about services too
[07:09:19]<EclipseGc>anarcat: oh awesome
[07:09:28]<darthsteven>That's it from me
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[07:09:46]<anarcat>thanks darthsteven
[07:10:15]<EclipseGc>all of my time these days has been devoted to non-aegir-specific Drupal 7 work these days, though I do see a number of potential point of collaboration on various items in D7 for whenever aegir decides to make that jump
[07:10:42]<anarcat>EclipseGc: have you done d6 to d7 porting work?
[07:10:48]<anarcat>would you be interested in contributing to that?
[07:11:08]<EclipseGc>anarcat: I've worked on ctools/page_manager porting to D7 yes, as well as my own context_admin
[07:11:30]<anarcat>how's that going? :)
[07:12:05]<EclipseGc>anarcat: very good all things considered, native support for all entity types in page_manager is a pretty freaking awesome thing
[07:12:11]<anarcat>:)
[07:12:23]<anarcat>alright
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[07:12:30]<anarcat>thank you EclipseGc
[07:12:36]<anarcat>anyone else has anything to add to this mighty scrum?
[07:13:04]<EclipseGc>anarcat: from an aegir perspective, (as an example) if say, "site nodes" became "site entities" in the D7 version, we could still utilize panels to display the site information (not that we're doing that now, but it is a possibility)
[07:13:25]<anarcat>oh, an idea i had: we should have a "wildcard domains" variable in the frontend for wildcards pointing to the aegir server while we fix DNS, then when people create sites, they can just type the left part of the domain and choose the wildcard from a dropdown
[07:13:39]<anarcat>EclipseGc: right, ok
[07:13:51]<anarcat>EclipseGc: should we wait for d7 before creating the "dns zone" content-type for example?
[07:14:00]<anarcat>how easy is it to declare entities programmatically?
[07:14:35]<anarcat>anyways, i have to head out now, so thanks everyone for attending, and have a nice day
[07:14:36]<EclipseGc>anarcat: well, the only way to declare an entity is programatically, there's no... entity ui or anything that allows you to build new entities
[07:14:48]<anarcat>can anyone take care of uploading this to the community site?
[07:14:51]<anarcat>EclipseGc: ok
[07:15:00]<EclipseGc>anarcat: thus far, a new entity, front to back all manual is minimum about 400 lines of code if you want it to be fairly usable
[07:15:05]<mig5>yeah i'll sort it later
[07:15:41]<anarcat>EclipseGc: ow?
[07:15:48]<EclipseGc>anarcat: I'm hoping that fago's entity_api and ctools can have a meeting of the minds and do something really great to make all of that (including user interfaces) much easier
[07:16:21]<EclipseGc>but that is still non-existent yet, and many people are uncomfortable depending on entity_api at the moment (though I hear it cuts down on the necessary code for an entity significantly)
[07:16:25]<anarcat>aand how easy is it to port existing content types to that ... stuff?
[07:16:57]<EclipseGc>anarcat: I'm going to change your vocabulary real quick (if you don't mind) just so there's no confusion
[07:17:12]<hefring>community => fedora test page when viewing https://www.example.com or https://example.com ssl => http://community.aegirproject.org/node/339
[07:17:19]<anarcat>i really have to head out, but feel free, i'll read on later tonight
[07:17:54]<anarcat>ciao everyone
[07:18:01]<EclipseGc>anarcat: "content types" or what we call node types in D6 and below are actually "bundles" (generic term) of the node entity now. You can still call them whatever you like, but to be precise I usually say "node bundles". All entity types can have bundles
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[07:18:32]<anarcat>fuck
[07:18:40]<anarcat>sorry, screwed up there
[07:18:42]<anarcat>EclipseGc: got it :)
[07:18:45]<anarcat>ciao for real
[07:18:49]<omega8cc>cia
[07:18:52]<omega8cc>o
[07:18:54]<omega8cc>:)
[07:20:19]<mig5>bloody hell, it's like people notice we are killing issues in the queue so they add another 5 or 10 over night :(
[07:20:28]<mig5>some of them even duplicates of their own issues, fml
[07:21:06]<EclipseGc>anarcat: so that being said, you're asking about converting a node type you have to a specific entity of it's own. We'll have to weigh that option through out the system, as in some places it may or may not be advisable. However, since we can attach all our own logic, api's etc to a specific entity definition, it may provide stronger api's for aegir outside of our typical drush approach. In any event, I would imagine it'll be an awfully
[07:21:06]<EclipseGc>re-organization of code. I think it's probably the right thing to do too, but... there's a time and place for doing it "right" and a time and place for just doing it at all. :-)
[07:21:50]<omega8cc>mig5: yeah, I already found myself opening duplicate to my own issue twice, doh
[07:22:32]<mig5>EugenMayer is breaking my balls
[07:23:04]<EclipseGc>mig5: ow, why?
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[07:25:12]<omega8cc>EclipseGc: does it mean we need to add another structure layer to migrate to entities design or we can "atomize" current design to leverage entities features and create more generic "bits", so we can avoid using nodes for everything?
[07:26:57]<EclipseGc>omega8cc: the second
[07:27:26]<EclipseGc>omega8cc: we can atomize what's currently there to leverage entities instead of hacking everything we want into specific node types
[07:28:07]<omega8cc>EclipseGc: sounds good
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[07:28:48]<EclipseGc>omega8cc: it also means that since "entity bundles" can have custom fields, we could potentially expand existing architecture (say servers) so that "sql server", "apache server", "nginx server" etc can have custom fields, but still all be "server entities, w/o the need to hand code every little thing
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[07:30:15]<EclipseGc>omega8cc: basically giving us "classification" and customization abilities for free
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[07:30:49]<EclipseGc>omega8cc: also, I've not had a chance to look, but the new queue api might be capable of replacing a good portion of our existing task system
[07:30:50]<omega8cc>EclipseGc: that could match our current code design perfectly, with more room to extensions using core possibilities instead of coding them from scratch
[07:31:01]<EclipseGc>omega8cc: correct
[07:31:44]<omega8cc>EclipseGc: right, there are more things we will be able to re-use in d7
[07:32:42]<EclipseGc>omega8cc: right, bottom line, I think the potential for atomizing what we have already is very significant
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[07:36:30]<omega8cc>EclipseGc: sounds like porting Aegir to d7 will be very interesting and opening new area to much easier writing extensions without understanding *all* the custom stuff we have now *first*
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[07:37:23]<EclipseGc>omega8cc: yeah I think that's actually very likely
[07:37:54]<EclipseGc>omega8cc: cause right now, aegir's basically one big monolithic structure that only works together and is separated as logically as possible
[07:38:12]<EclipseGc>omega8cc: and in the future, it could be that any given component could stand alone and actually "do something"
[07:38:28]<omega8cc>mig5: you mean http://community.aegirproject.org/node/334 ? ouch...
[07:38:29]<EclipseGc>omega8cc: whether that something would be useful, is a completely different conversation, but there it is ;-)
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[07:41:57]<omega8cc>EclipseGc: yeah, and in fact it already went in that direction after abstracting services, so it is already atomized (a bit) in a way possible in d6 era, somehow, now it will be possible to abstract much more things and use generic 'bits' instead of much bigger structures/monoliths
[07:42:30]<EclipseGc>omega8cc: sure
[07:43:35]<EclipseGc>omega8cc: also, you might consider, using my server example, we could do customization at the "bundle" level like we're doing to nodes now, but instead we could have a separate module that provides say... handling and management for a git server, or specific management for solr/sphinx servers
[07:44:18]<EclipseGc>omega8cc: and those types of servers (I guess just like sql) would have "sites" associated with them, or even have the possibility
[07:45:07]<EclipseGc>omega8cc: they could just provide statistically relevant information for the type of server they are, and connection information, or whatever (list of cores/repos/etc)
[07:46:19]<omega8cc>mig5: it looks he doesn't understand even basics! http://community.aegirproject.org/node/334#comment-323 so why he is trying to explain something he didn't 'click' yet? ouch... what a horrible mess!
[07:46:35]<EclipseGc>omega8cc: which I guess goes back to componentizing what we already have. We might be looking at a generic community model for "server management" that aegir provides specific extensions to for it's use case
[07:48:56]<mig5>omega8cc: nah it was more in the issue queue
[07:49:01]<mig5>all good
[07:50:49]<omega8cc>EclipseGc: hmm, I think that it opens not only new possibilities, but also new ways to complicate things or to use new stuff just because it is available, so KISS can be a bigger challenge :)
[07:51:39]<EclipseGc>omega8cc: absolutely true, but I think the bottom line is that switching to entities, could end up being very beneficial to the aegir project (personal opinion)
[07:52:09]<omega8cc>EclipseGc: I agree
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[08:27:00]<lavamind>hello, I'm trying to add an SSL certificate to aegir, but for some reason it's not showing up in the site config UI
[08:27:52]<lavamind>i put it in /var/aegir/config/server_master/ssl.d/domain.com/openssl.crt/key
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[08:36:01]<omega8cc>lavamind: why not to allow Aegir to create standard self signed cert + key and then simply replace the *contents* of both files (not files itself)?
[08:36:23]<lavamind>omega8cc: I hadn't thought of that
[08:36:37]<lavamind>will try it
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[08:43:45]<mig5>pretty sure that's the *only* way it works atm
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[09:14:40]<omega8cc>mig5: I believe that commit should be reverted, it breaks context completely for any Drush version on upgrade: http://drupal.org/node/1056864#comment-4076314
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[09:15:36]<mig5>yeah, i think you are right
[09:15:56]<mig5>we willbreak clusters again but i'd rather do that than break everything else
[09:16:10]<mig5>surely unconed would have tried a migrate later and seen the fail
[09:16:17]<mig5>but he hasn't come back here or contacted me with an updated patch
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[09:17:34]<mig5>i don't really understand the '@self' alias :s
[09:17:40]<mig5>so i wish i could fix it properly
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[09:31:13]<omega8cc>mig5: I think it is a patch author (so not our) job to fix critical issues caused, so we have to revert it and send it back to "needs works" probably
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[09:34:12]<omega8cc>mig5: maybe he believe the @self is a good if {} test to fix something else, but it looks wrong even to me (but remember, I know nothing about php!) :)
[09:34:38]<mig5>neither do I :/
[09:34:45]<mig5>i agree anyway, at the end of the day this patch needs work, simple
[09:34:47]<mig5>i'll revert
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[09:35:48]<omega8cc>especially because it breaks stuff for any Drush version, so it is not Drush 4 specific
[09:35:57]<CIA-67>aegir/provision: mig * r6fa9ea1f63af / (provision.context.inc provision.drush.inc): Revert "#1016890 reapply contributed patch for fixing infinite loop - the reason it broke under Drush 4 was that I blew away our incorporation of the new cli context"
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[09:41:40]<mig5>hefring: tell unconed ping me if/when you get a chance
[09:41:40]<hefring>mig5: I'll pass that on when unconed is around.
[09:42:01]<EclipseGc>unconed? wow, he's not been around forever
[09:42:06]<EclipseGc>in forever*
[09:43:42]<mig5>heh.
[09:43:58]<mig5>yeah somehow Aegir is so awesome it got him 'excited' enough to use it
[09:44:08]<mig5>but ssssshhh..
[09:44:19]<mig5>etc.
[09:45:11]<EclipseGc>wow, that's impressive
[09:45:59]<EclipseGc>mig5: pm?
[09:46:19]<mig5>sure
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[10:32:02]<jvc26>mig5: your build script you linked to in http://community.aegirproject.org/node/335 is such a neat idea - with your comment regarding git post commit hooks would your plan be to get it to build off the latest version of the makefile in the git repo?
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