IRC logs for #aegir, 2011-03-24 (GMT)

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[11:14:17]<pkej1>I have a question about deployment.
[11:14:32]<pkej1>Is it possible to deploy to a shared hosting where aegir isn't installed?
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[13:13:47]<LunkRat>ping omega88cc
[13:14:26]<LunkRat>i mean 8cc hah sorry
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[14:00:49]<xk>Has this bug been identified / fixed - create a directory under modules (say blah123) on the MASTER / HUB server. verify website located on REMOTE / SPOKE server. modules/blah123 is copied across. Now delete modules/blah123 on the MASTER / HUB. verify the website again. modules/blah123 still exists on the REMOTE / SPOKE server.
[14:01:38]<xk>er, I mean sites/site.com.au/modules/blah123
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[15:07:49]<AntiNSA>hty
[15:08:18]<AntiNSA>is it possible to add the commits by just editing the files which are edited in the commint liog in the seame way I patch drupals modules?
[15:13:52]<AntiNSA>where is this file aegir/conf/global.inc.aegir.txt
[15:14:17]<AntiNSA>I have find / -name and I cant find it on my barracuda install
[15:18:21]<AntiNSA>i HAVE NOTICEED ON NEWEST HEAD THIS DEFINATELY SLOWS MY SYSTEM DOWN...
[15:18:25]<AntiNSA>sorry caps..
[15:18:41]<AntiNSA>maybe its the javascript aggregator enabled on default...
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[15:41:31]<AntiNSA-AFK>wish someone could tell me a way to fix that caching issue . where is aegir/conf ?
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[16:35:50]<AntiNSA-AFK>is it good to enable jsmin and gzip ?
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[16:59:15]<AntiNSA-AFK>is it good to enable jsmin and gzip ?
[16:59:38]<AntiNSA-AFK>I need to do this right. enable them both? Goesnt ngingx already compress javascript?
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[17:46:53]<AntiNSA-AFK>anyone here know where to fint the global.inc.aegir.txt ? I cant find it
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[19:06:49]<pkej1>AntiNSA-AFK: I would use some kind of web developer/analyzation tool on Firefox to see the size of the files transferred (or perhaps check your apache logs). Then try the site without jsmin and gzip, then with jsmin, then with jsmin + gzip and finally gzip only.
[19:07:50]<pkej1>AntiNSA-AFK: that way yoou could determine if nginx compresses by default (gzip vs no gzip) and if there is anything to gain from jsmin vs jsmin + gzip
[19:09:08]<pkej1>AntiNSA-AFK: one question I have no idea about is if nginx caches the compressed data, or if it compresses on every run; depending on memory footprint of the compression, processor resources etc. you'd also have to take that in account vs enabling gzip in caching in drupal.
[19:09:45]<pkej1>AntiNSA-AFK: and of course the traffic volume
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[21:03:45]<markwk>stupid question: drush make on new aegir install doesn't seem to work nor do make files work added through aegir work.
[21:04:22]<markwk>I created a symbolic link to drush make in /var/aegir/.drush/drush_make and drush make runs fine, but doesn't create directory
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[21:07:12]<adrinux>markwk: so, you have drush make installed where?
[21:08:03]<markwk>i used omega8cc's script so it seems to be installed in /var/aegir/.drush/drush_make
[21:08:06]<adrinux>markwk: also, who are you running make as, who are the drush_make files owned by?
[21:08:19]<markwk>i'm logged in as root
[21:08:21]<adrinux>installed in the right place then.
[21:08:46]<markwk>it didn't work at all so I created a symbolic link. seems like something must be up though
[21:08:51]<adrinux>markwk: you should be aegir user when running drush and drush_make
[21:08:57]<adrinux>not root
[21:10:46]<markwk>adrinux: thanks, i'll try that.
[21:12:14]<markwk>adrinux: I don't recall giving a password for aegir. Can I just change its password or with this make trouble?
[21:13:24]<SqyD>markwk: the aegir user should not have a password set
[21:13:25]<adrinux>no, need
[21:13:33]<adrinux>use su
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[21:13:49]<adrinux>markwk: for ubuntu I do sudo su -s /bin/bash aegir
[21:14:02]<adrinux>to go from my normal user to aegir user
[21:14:55]<adrinux>markwk: whenever you're working in /var/aegir, su to the aegir user first
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[21:22:54]<adrinux>if anyone else would like to chime in about the silliness of adding drush make files to modules and themes, please do http://drupal.org/node/1011178 http://drupal.org/node/1102962
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[21:45:57]<mdupont_inovae>hello
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[21:50:43]<markwk>strange, when I try to switch to aegir user after entering a password I immediately get kicked out.
[21:52:12]<adrinux>bizarre
[21:52:28]<mig5>press enter a few times before trying to type
[21:52:31]<mig5>after dropping into the shell
[21:52:36]<adrinux>markwk: how are you trying to switch, and who's password are you using
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[21:53:00]<mig5>or sudo su - -s /bin/sh aegir
[21:53:03]<mig5>(extra dash)
[21:53:35]<adrinux>what does the extra dash do?
[21:53:35]<markwk>ok
[21:53:48]<mig5>forces resetting of the environment to match the new user
[21:54:17]<markwk>mig: thanks, that seemed to work to get me in as aegir
[21:54:27]<markwk>I'll see if drush make works now
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[21:56:40]<markwk>no luck with drush make :( drush make simple.make simple
[21:56:56]<markwk>no dir showed up once it went through drush make
[21:58:46]<adrinux>markwk: is there an error in the output?
[21:59:07]<adrinux>if there is an error, then you won't see any drupal directory
[21:59:41]<adrinux>it assembles everything in tmp, I think, and only copies the platform over if successful
[22:00:08]<adrinux>markwk: scroll back in terminal output and look for [error] on the right :)
[22:01:25]<mig5>add --debug for good measure when you run it again
[22:01:30]<mig5>and pastebin ;)
[22:03:16]<adrinux>while we're on the subject of broken make files, would appreciate your input on http://drupal.org/node/1011178 and http://drupal.org/node/1102962 mig5
[22:03:47]<markwk>@adinux: there was indeed an error. corrected mistake in file and it was fine. is it possible to force to completion in spite of mistake?
[22:04:13]<adrinux>no idea.
[22:05:07]<adrinux>markwk: it does run to completion, it's just that all the downloaded files are elsewhere, you could copy them over I guess. but it's better to just correct the error
[22:05:26]<adrinux>maybe drush_male should just fail on error
[22:05:31]<adrinux>make
[22:06:16]<markwk>The file was missing a patch file so didn't patch it. This never happens locally or in my previous experiences
[22:07:51]<adrinux>man. this ckeditor maintainer is pissing me off
[22:07:52]<markwk>Thanks alot for the help. It is at least working now.
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[22:14:27]<mdupont_inovae>I had a strange issue after upgrading Aegir 0.3 to 1.0-rc2
[22:15:12]<adrinux>only the one? :)
[22:15:27]<mdupont_inovae>The upgrade went relatively fine, but the existing platforms were not handled correctly
[22:15:55]<mdupont_inovae>the Verify task failed on every platform
[22:16:28]<mdupont_inovae>And in /var/aegir/.drush alias file for it the context_type was set to "server", not "platform"
[22:17:06]<mdupont_inovae>If I adapted the alias file to mirror a "platform" type configuration, the Verify task would now succeed
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[22:23:54]<mdupont_inovae>The drush alias file content can be seen on http://drupalbin.com/18100
[22:24:06]<mdupont_inovae>with bogus and working configuration
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[22:50:51]<EugenMayer>adrinux: ping
[22:50:57]<adrinux>hello
[22:50:57]<hefring>que tal
[22:51:14]<adrinux>EugenMayer: sorry, I'm disturbing you :)
[22:51:39]<adrinux>just sent another mail after ckeditor maintainer fixed the issue :)
[22:51:40]<EugenMayer>no worries. http://drupal.org/node/1103872 seems to be fixed already?
[22:51:45]<EugenMayer>ah ok.
[22:51:52]<EugenMayer>so blueprint is still pending?
[22:51:59]<adrinux>yeah
[22:52:49]<adrinux>I'm wondering how often this is going to happen. seems it's often the same user supplying the make files, AntioneSolutions. Think I'll message him too and point out the issues :)
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[22:58:30]<EugenMayer>adrinux: added a comment to blueprint. you wont find me in #aegir, as not taking part at the development / aegir anymore. you find me over in #drupal / #drupal-contribute usualy. laters
[22:58:45]<adrinux>ok, cheers. bye
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[23:18:42]<mig5>lol
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[23:28:48]<adrinux>mig5: lol?
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[00:07:36]<adrinux>I *swear* i bookmarked something about adding platforms to the front end via the cli
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[00:13:16]<mig5>http://lists.aegirproject.org/pipermail/aegir/2011-January/000026.html
[00:13:17]<mig5>hosting-import
[00:13:32]<mig5>i think i agree with you re: modules and their own makefiles
[00:13:48]<mig5>i don't think they should *not * have makefiles, but a) they should be written properly and b) they should be optional and not forced through recursion
[00:15:01]<adrinux>exactly.
[00:15:22]<adrinux>just found your mailing list post in google as you posted it...
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[00:20:57]<anarcat>hey mig5
[00:21:08]<anarcat>him
[00:21:09]<anarcat>hum
[00:21:15]<anarcat>did we miss this weeks scrum? :)
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[00:27:49]* anarcat too
[00:27:54]<anarcat>oh well
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[00:40:16]<omega8cc>anarcat: yeah, I was the only zombie telling "5 minutes to scrum" this week ;)
[00:41:15]<anarcat>crap :)
[00:41:24]<anarcat>i don't understand how i missed that...
[00:42:35]<omega8cc>I can't miss it, I have 3 alerts defined in my iCal every Tuesday :)
[00:43:10]<omega8cc>unless I'm really offline
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[00:44:46]<omega8cc>we moved it a few times recently so it causes our internal calendars confusion maybe
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[00:54:16]<anarcat>yeah
[00:54:25]<anarcat>i didn't actually write it down in my agenda, that's why! :P
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[01:10:08]<LunkRat>anyone know a good vps provider with strong aegir support available?
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[01:12:35]<omega8cc>LunkRat: I don't think there is an Aegir specific vps provider, Aegir will run on any good system, just avoid those based on Virtuozzo family
[01:13:16]<LunkRat>what about this outfit? ;) http://omega8.cc/
[01:13:49]<LunkRat>by 'support' i mean people who can support my aegir install
[01:13:50]<omega8cc>LunkRat: we don't offer vps systems, we offer Aegir/Drupal in a SaaS mode
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[01:14:35]<LunkRat>ooooh ok. why does it say vps everywhere on the site, even the order form?
[01:14:37]<omega8cc>LunkRat: we support both hosted SaaS and also Aegir on your own server
[01:14:56]<LunkRat>cool
[01:15:42]<omega8cc>it is for compatibility with folks thinking they need this VPS thing, but we will remove it soon to avoid confusion
[01:15:55]<LunkRat>i am considering moving a dozen client production sites and I want to know that I can count on an expert for emergency support. would that be you?
[01:16:10]<omega8cc>probably ;)
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[01:17:26]<LunkRat>sweet . . . I'll look at the options and be in touch. thanks
[01:20:49]<omega8cc>LunkRat: ok, thanks
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[01:41:01]<highermath>I am in deployment hell - trying to set up a CentOS machine as a deployment target
[01:41:46]<highermath>install.sh insistas I don't have php-posix and yum insists I do
[01:42:35]<highermath>if this sounds familiar to anyone, please let me know how/if you fixed it
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[01:44:32]<omega8cc>highermath: it is a CentOS hell, not deployment hell ;)
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[01:50:53]<AntiNSA-AFK>AntiNSA------:<markwk> strange, when I try to switch to aegir user after entering a password I immediately get kicked out. Ive had several students compainm about that. I told them they must be crazy that would never happen......
[01:51:12]<adrinux>lol
[01:51:48]<adrinux>AntiNSA-AFK: well now you can apologise and just tell them what mig5 said :)
[01:52:26]<markwk>AntiNSA: so am I crazy?
[01:52:59]<AntiNSA-AFK>I guess the whole time I was only lying to myself
[01:53:17]<markwk>omega8cc gave me this to change users as root: `su -s /bin/bash - aegir` for Barracuda hostmaster
[01:53:18]<markwk>`su -s /bin/bash - o1.ftp` for Octopus hostmaster.
[01:53:39]<AntiNSA-AFK>its not happening in shell its happening on the front end.
[01:53:43]<AntiNSA-AFK>in drupal.
[01:54:19]<markwk>ah! it's happening to me in shell
[01:54:30]<AntiNSA-AFK>Javascript aggregatot ALWAYS makes things laggy on my site. I am caching with views though. I tried disabling views timed caching and it was a nightmare. My cpu use jumped way high.
[01:56:00]<AntiNSA-AFK>ehn I read in the drupal support forums even before aggregator (the drupal core version) was made part of core it had a lot of reports of slowing peoples system down
[01:56:27]<AntiNSA-AFK>There is alwso a user with pantheon which reported the same issue.
[01:56:43]<AntiNSA-AFK>I think you should stuck to native nginx compression
[01:58:15]<AntiNSA-AFK>Id like too add this commit https://github.com/omega8cc/nginx-for-drupal/commit/e053ae2aefdc77e1c7ea... without reinstalling or updating barracuda, but I can not locate the files on my install to alter after looking for them with find / -name
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[01:58:24]<AntiNSA-AFK>am I doing something wrong?
[01:58:50]<AntiNSA-AFK>where is the aegir/conf directory?
[01:59:40]<omega8cc>for Octopus hostmaster it is /data/conf/global.inc
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[02:02:42]<omega8cc>you can replace this file with https://github.com/omega8cc/nginx-for-drupal/raw/master/aegir/conf/globa...
[02:02:48]<AntiNSA-AFK>so global.inc.ssl.aegir.txt & glogal.inc.aegir.txt is all in global.inc then?
[02:03:16]<omega8cc>it is renamed to /data/conf/global.inc on install/upgrade
[02:03:42]<omega8cc>for Octopus it is https://github.com/omega8cc/nginx-for-drupal/raw/master/aegir/conf/globa...
[02:04:06]<AntiNSA-AFK>so we are talking about two different files being renamed into one?
[02:04:12]<omega8cc>no
[02:04:18]<omega8cc>only one of them: https://github.com/omega8cc/nginx-for-drupal/raw/master/aegir/conf/globa...
[02:05:03]<AntiNSA-AFK>ok so if I understand this global.inc.ssl.aegir.txt = global.inc ?
[02:06:38]<AntiNSA-AFK>what about my.cnf.txt ?
[02:07:11]<vegardx>omega8cc: Totally unrelated, why does every file in barracuda (?) end with .txt, even bash-scripts and the like.
[02:07:16]<omega8cc>please read the code to learn more or just upgrade
[02:07:50]<AntiNSA-AFK>sorry I know it is probably a really stupid obvious question...
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[02:08:05]<omega8cc>vegardx: by my personal design
[02:08:12]<vegardx>aight :)
[02:08:48]<AntiNSA-AFK>if you can help me on this oen last file I wont have to upgrade
[02:08:58]<AntiNSA-AFK>my.cnf.txt
[02:09:24]<AntiNSA-AFK>find / -name cnf* = nothing
[02:09:59]<omega8cc>AntiNSA-AFK: don't touch it, you don't need to change it probably, it is for /etc/mysql/my.cnf
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[02:11:19]<AntiNSA-AFK>if you did that change, wouldnt that limit the number of total registered users that could log in at the same time by giving each more ram?
[02:11:46]<AntiNSA-AFK>so, it may be faster, but it would slow down more if more pepople logged in?
[02:12:08]<AntiNSA-AFK>vs being a little slow for everyone, but allowign more total users?
[02:13:12]<AntiNSA-AFK>I wish you had a setting where you could have that kind of logic in your caching strategy, what is more important, absoluite speen for fewer users, or stability and scalability for as many max users you can stuff in your server
[02:13:29]<omega8cc>it is unrelated, the change is useful only when you have big databases and enough ram, we just increased it a bit for better use of ram in mysql by default
[02:13:47]<AntiNSA-AFK>and then the admin could slect the options based on their own needs.
[02:14:10]<omega8cc>there is BOND script to tune important settings
[02:14:24]<AntiNSA-AFK>tell me more great master
[02:14:38]<omega8cc>no, read more ;)
[02:15:28]<AntiNSA-AFK>its not here https://github.com/omega8cc/scripts
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[02:16:28]<omega8cc>it is here: https://github.com/omega8cc/nginx-for-drupal
[02:17:19]<omega8cc>please read the readme etc etc etc
[02:17:59]<AntiNSA-AFK>you mean the readme in the bond.sh.txt?
[02:18:06]<AntiNSA-AFK>read it. readign other readme again
[02:18:47]<markwk>omega8cc: is there anything particular that i need to do to get a pear extension to work with barracuda?
[02:20:19]<markwk>I ran the obvious pear install Mail_Mime
[02:20:38]<markwk>But I wonder if there is quite a bit of config that needs to be done to make something like this work
[02:21:11]<hefring>Hostmaster => comment the hosting_get_client*() functions => http://drupalcode.org/project/hostmaster.git/commitdiff/fb971d3fea36b6a8...
[02:21:11]<hefring>Hostmaster => document every undocumentated function here => http://drupalcode.org/project/hostmaster.git/commitdiff/4f62fe16fec75188...
[02:21:11]<hefring>Hostmaster => really deprecate hosting_get_client_by_email() by generating an error => http://drupalcode.org/project/hostmaster.git/commitdiff/c893876c2416c6ab...
[02:21:20]<AntiNSA-AFK>Ok, am I understanding that BOND slows down the timeouts for everything? Or is there custom stuff going on in their that it looks at your server harware and setup, and fine tunes barracuda to preform the best on your server? Or is it meant as a troubleshooting script that will stop WSOD and such allowing you to troubleshoot? I am llooking for increased speed and stability. Everything is actually
[02:21:21]<AntiNSA-AFK>pretty stable... but more speed would be better.
[02:21:46]<AntiNSA-AFK>Im not looking for troubleshootign stuff.
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[02:23:22]<omega8cc>markwk: you need to add it also to /opt/etc/php.ini and reload php-fpm
[02:23:41]<markwk>ok
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[02:25:33]<omega8cc>mxrhd: ping
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[02:28:06]<mxrhd>omega8cc: pong
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[02:55:08]<markwk>omega8cc: how do I add it to opt/etc/php.ini? Just extension=mime.php ? I'm feeling stupid on this one :(
[02:57:15]<omega8cc>markwk: look where other extensions are and copy your own there
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[03:32:08]<anarcat>omega8cc: i will be working on provisionacl 1.1 now
[03:32:14]<AntiNSA-AFK>http://behindthewall.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/03/24/6333593-china-cracks...
[03:32:23]<AntiNSA-AFK>pain in the ass I am telling you
[03:32:39]<AntiNSA-AFK>try troubleshooting with big fuckign brother.
[03:33:02]<AntiNSA-AFK>BUt good news is barracuda is doing better and faster than oogle from where I am sitting.
[03:33:03]<anarcat>omega8cc: i'd like your feedback on those two issues: https://drupal.org/project/issues/1097862?text=&status=Open&priorities=A...
[03:34:04]<AntiNSA-AFK>I even made an faq vid about how faster we are than google before the story http://thecenterofthenet.com/node/102206
[03:34:08]<AntiNSA-AFK>hahahahahahah
[03:34:30]<anarcat>good article
[03:36:05]<markwk>I live in China. I understand the firewall's mistreatment of all google services in china
[03:36:14]<markwk>the chinese think its because google sucks
[03:36:31]<vegardx>what am I looking at?
[03:37:12]<vegardx>I just see a topic with no content
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[04:51:14]<anarcat>omega8cc: * @return bool if the ACL settings succeeded
[04:51:17]<anarcat>frak
[04:51:23]<anarcat>omega8cc: https://drupal.org/node/1104352
[04:51:28]<anarcat>provisionacl 1.1
[04:51:39]<omega8cc>anarcat: just writing a comment
[04:51:45]<anarcat>awesome :)
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[04:56:54]<omega8cc>anarcat: no as awesome as you expect, since I still didn't test it and instead posted some dumb question :)
[04:57:07]<anarcat>omega8cc: good good where? :)
[04:57:24]<omega8cc>anarcat: http://drupal.org/node/1103316#comment-4256180
[04:58:18]<anarcat>hum :)
[04:58:23]<anarcat>this is a separate support request really
[04:58:44]<anarcat>omega8cc: i'm not sure i understand the question, even
[04:59:24]<omega8cc>anarcat: haha, I know it is a dumb probably, sorry
[04:59:39]<anarcat>well, it's not dumb, it's just i don't understand :)
[05:01:50]<omega8cc>anarcat: I'm just trying to limit access to anything where user could cause some crash doing dumb things, so I never give the access to the aegir system user, while now the ACL will be build around main aegir system user as the "master" user, or no?
[05:02:38]<omega8cc>I should probably read the code instead of asking, hmm
[05:03:01]<anarcat>no :)
[05:03:06]<anarcat>i'm going to write a quickstart for you
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[05:05:43]<omega8cc>anarcat: oh, I need to read it again maybe: http://community.aegirproject.org/node/494
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[05:06:51]<anarcat>omega8cc: i added a quickstart here: https://drupal.org/project/provisionacl let me know if it helps
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[05:15:34]<omega8cc>anarcat: basically, if I understand it correctly, this ACL approach provides something I have already in place using some other workarounds (like limited shell with access restricted per directory (site or platform) so now I'm trying to "click" how it could improve my current approach (or how/if it could break anything for me)
[05:16:29]<anarcat>i'm curious
[05:16:30]<omega8cc>I think I already read this quickstart
[05:16:34]<anarcat>how's access restricted?
[05:16:43]<anarcat>i just wrote this quickstart
[05:16:50]<omega8cc>you wrote it already on c.a.o, no?
[05:17:09]<anarcat>ah, maybe
[05:17:20]<omega8cc>magic, I'm sure I read it already
[05:17:28]<anarcat>no.
[05:18:14]<anarcat>it's not on http://community.aegirproject.org/node/494 at least
[05:19:15]<ergonlogic>was there a scrum session yesterday?
[05:19:42]<anarcat>no
[05:19:51]<ergonlogic>ah ok
[05:21:37]<anarcat>so anyways
[05:21:55]<anarcat>omega8cc: basically, the idea with the ACL is that it's the "clean" way to isolate access between accounts/sites
[05:22:06]<anarcat>and give the right to users to run drush commands
[05:22:11]<anarcat>without compromising the whole site security
[05:23:02]<omega8cc>but they can't use drush site aliases., right? just drush after cd to their sites
[05:23:27]<anarcat>yes
[05:23:33]<anarcat>but that could be fixed too, actually
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[05:24:38]<omega8cc>in my currect setup they can do the same, but also they can't access any other sites/dirs at all (unless via drupal module of course)
[05:26:14]<omega8cc>also, we don't automate anything here - you need to add ACLs using machine name of the site group etc (which is obvious when aegir doesn't run as root)
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[05:27:26]<anarcat>how are the users isolated in your setup?
[05:27:29]<omega8cc>so maybe ability to use aliases would be a benefit for me, as currently they must cd to site first
[05:27:40]<anarcat>okay, let's see - it's useful for me too :)
[05:27:45]<anarcat>and trivial
[05:27:52]<omega8cc>on the shell and ftp configuration level
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[05:29:09]<omega8cc>kind of jail/chroot
[05:29:59]<anarcat>right
[05:30:01]<anarcat>we do the same here
[05:30:03]<anarcat>but it's a real PITA
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[05:30:10]<anarcat>and it breaks all the time
[05:30:22]<omega8cc>it works for me :)
[05:30:39]<anarcat>well then you don't need this :P
[05:30:53]<anarcat>let's see if the alias capabilities will make you change your mind :)
[05:31:26]<omega8cc>and I don't want to allow anyone to crawl any system or not allowed drupal dirs, I really locked it like crazy :p
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[05:32:03]<omega8cc>but yes, drush aliases would be a huge improvement
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[05:32:54]<omega8cc>as this one "remember to cd to the site dir" is a PITA for all
[05:34:43]<anarcat>done.
[05:34:47]<anarcat>1.1 has a bug too
[05:36:12]<anarcat>https://drupal.org/node/1104428
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[05:49:53]<omega8cc>anarcat: so maybe we could set read ACL right on some aliases to avoid this? but yeah, we don't want to open read access to server_master.alias.drushrc.php for sure
[05:50:19]<anarcat>omega8cc: i am thinking more that those warnings need to be silenced somehow
[05:50:37]<omega8cc>yeah, that could be better
[05:51:25]<omega8cc>anarcat: so we need to hack drush, a bit
[05:51:56]<anarcat>dunno
[05:51:57]<omega8cc>or there is a --silent flag? hmm
[05:52:06]<anarcat>we at least need to fix this: https://drupal.org/node/1104438
[05:52:43]<ergonlogic>fyi: Request for an "Aegir" category for modules: http://drupal.org/node/1104444
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[10:48:14]<sdboyer>anarcat / mig5 / someone experienced with aegir's provisioning mechanics - at some point in the near future, it would be awesome if i could get a tour of how provisioning works. we're working on a git workflows manifesto and at minimum i want to avoid screwing y'all, but would also like to avoid reinventing wheels & such
[10:48:29]<sdboyer>i confess to be a total aegir noob, but will want to ask lots of aggressive questions :)
[10:48:52]<mig5>hey sdboyer
[10:48:58]<mig5>what's the connection between provision and git workflow?
[10:49:05]<mig5>you're using provision to achieve something git-related?
[10:49:24]<mig5>or you mean deploying sites from git using aegir?
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[10:49:50]<anarcat>hey
[10:49:50]<hefring>eh oh
[10:49:50]<anarcat>life
[10:50:13]<mig5>life! i missed scrum too
[10:50:26]<sdboyer>mig5: more like, we're working on defining enough of a 'right' workflow for deploying & managing drupal sites/systems that it can be baked into drush + drush make, and become the de facto tool drupal-wide
[10:50:50]<sdboyer>as i understand it, aegir makes awfully heavy use of drush and probably has a lot of similar logic, since it has to solve a provisioning problem
[10:50:56]<mig5>yes
[10:50:56]<sdboyer>and part of what we'd be solving is basically a provisioning issue
[10:51:04]<mig5>provision is basically a massive drush extension
[10:51:05]<sdboyer>so i'm hoping to get some insight into that :)
[10:51:08]<sdboyer>shweet
[10:51:11]<mig5>you might get some use out of http://community.aegirproject.org/node/41
[10:51:15]<mig5>adrian wrote that
[10:51:24]<mig5>and currently he's the only one who properly understands Provision :)
[10:51:31]<mig5>but doesn't work on the project anymore
[10:51:36]<sdboyer>yeah i know
[10:51:44]<sdboyer>i have lotsa backchannel conversations with him :)
[10:51:50]<sdboyer>node.js is for PANSIES
[10:51:58]<sdboyer>REAL MEN BOOTSTRAP EVERY REQUEST
[10:52:03]<mig5>so provision makes heavy use of drush 'aliases', which it calls 'contexts'
[10:52:10]<sdboyer>k
[10:52:46]<mig5>the role of provision, is to generate these aliases, and also to bootstrap drupal to create sites
[10:53:01]<mig5>there's probably a fair bit of duplicated code between provision-install and drush site-install or whatever it's called
[10:53:04]<mig5>and a few other functions
[10:53:10]<anarcat>yup there is
[10:53:13]<sdboyer>what's the transport mechanism look like? to get code from the hostmaster to the provisioned box?
[10:53:16]<sdboyer>just rsync?
[10:53:17]<mig5>largely the drush provisioning stuff was born later than provision
[10:53:23]<anarcat>yes
[10:53:24]<sdboyer>is there layered-in vcs support?
[10:53:25]<mig5>sdboyer: in multiserver, yes it calls drush rsync
[10:53:29]<anarcat>no
[10:53:38]<sdboyer>ok cool, that's basically the key point from my perspective
[10:53:43]<anarcat>yes :)
[10:53:51]<anarcat>i believe we need to redo a bunch of this stuff in aegir
[10:53:54]<sdboyer>well that's nifty, i think aegir should be able to do aaaaaaaaawesome stuff with this if we can do it right
[10:53:55]<anarcat>so i'm all ears
[10:54:01]<anarcat>yes.
[10:54:01]<sdboyer>ah cool, well
[10:54:22]<sdboyer>like i said, we've got a mini-manifesto coming on monday, and i'm gonna have a shorter piece going up soon that's part of the bigger picture
[10:54:43]<sdboyer>short version is basically that drush make becomes king, not just for creating sites initially but also for updating them
[10:54:47]<anarcat>does this have to do with david strauss json config storage?
[10:54:52]<sdboyer>nope
[10:54:58]<anarcat>ok
[10:55:00]<sdboyer>that's also nifty, but totally unrelated :)
[10:55:07]<anarcat>you're talking only about code
[10:55:07]<sdboyer>but iff you operate in the 'advanced' all-git mode
[10:55:09]<sdboyer>yup
[10:55:13]<anarcat>gotcha
[10:55:23]<anarcat>drush make instead of git submodules
[10:55:29]<anarcat>aka not going insane mode
[10:55:40]<sdboyer>actually...
[10:55:40]<sdboyer>:)
[10:55:42]<sdboyer>both.
[10:55:45]<mig5>sdboyer: the closest thing to vcs in provision is that provision is capable of invoking drush_make when being asked to build a codebase, if it receives a makefile as an argument. so a lot of people build their codebases direct from makefiles that in turn fetch from git, etc.
[10:55:55]<sdboyer>mig5: righto, cool
[10:55:57]<anarcat>yup
[10:55:58]<sdboyer>that's what i was hoping to hear
[10:56:13]<anarcat>aegir will take whatever makefile you want, it can also fetch the makefile from the internetses
[10:56:14]<sdboyer>maybe optionally, but the basic idea is to use drush make to make submodule setup and regular use not suck
[10:56:18]<sdboyer>perfect
[10:56:21]<anarcat>nice
[10:56:26]<anarcat>the thing is
[10:56:28]<anarcat>well
[10:56:35]<anarcat>you said "drush make updates sites"
[10:56:40]<mig5>adrian had in his mind an idea to make aegir 'subscribe' to makefiles and notify of updates etc.
[10:56:42]<anarcat>do you mean the drupal root code base?
[10:56:46]<anarcat>or sites/default/modules?
[10:56:56]<sdboyer>drupal root code base
[10:57:00]<anarcat>ok
[10:57:03]<anarcat>we call that a platform here
[10:57:06]<sdboyer>kk
[10:57:10]<anarcat>so you better watch your tongue ;)
[10:57:10]<sdboyer>ah yes that sounds familiar
[10:57:12]<sdboyer>:)
[10:57:18]<anarcat>servers -> platforms -> sites
[10:57:28]<sdboyer>gotcha gotcha
[10:57:31]<anarcat>any other words gets kicks in the nuts ;)
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[10:57:35]<sdboyer>totally fair
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[10:57:41]<anarcat>so yeah
[10:57:43]<sdboyer>nothing like verbiage confusion to make a whole process totally useless
[10:57:50]<anarcat>you update platforms with drush make, what else is new
[10:57:53]<anarcat>we do that all the time :P
[10:58:06]<sdboyer>not a lot new from your perspective, which is cool, though
[10:58:06]<anarcat>although manually - but people have done some insane things to create aegir platforms automatically already
[10:58:14]<mig5>http://lists.aegirproject.org/pipermail/aegir/2011-January/000026.html
[10:58:15]<mig5>;)
[10:58:18]<mig5>snap
[10:58:30]<anarcat>there you go
[10:58:40]<mig5>i wrote a build script that was intended to auto-build and install an aegir platform into aegir based on a post-receive hook in git
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[10:58:44]<mig5>i.e based on a tag
[10:58:45]<anarcat>mig5 actually *does* things like that and writes about them, i just pretend they exist ;)
[10:58:49]<sdboyer>the additions make it a) faster b) compatible with people also hacking on the code driving their platforms and...crap, forgot c)
[10:58:49]<mig5>i never got as far as the post-receive hook
[10:59:09]<anarcat>sdboyer: c is for c)ool!
[10:59:16]<mig5>c)lusterfuck
[10:59:19]<sdboyer>well, maybe it's best to say c) capable of really figuring out when things have gone wrong, why, and rolling them back to a sane point. using git for goodness.
[10:59:22]<sdboyer>hahaha
[10:59:23]<sdboyer>that too :)
[10:59:36]<anarcat>so one thing aegir does for rollbacks
[10:59:45]<anarcat>is that you *don't* upgrade the freaking code in place
[10:59:49]<anarcat>and instead stage the upgrade
[10:59:54]<anarcat>so checkout over there you git
[10:59:56]<anarcat>then migrate the site