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| [12:36:39] | <AntiNSA> | hmmm no updates on barracuda for 2 days.. no commits.. wondering if the world is ending or whats up? I feel nervous. |
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| [12:39:57] | <rovo_> | Hey Guys, I was wondering if anyone know if Aegir will run on a Micro instance on AWS Amazon. Just hoping to get some info no that before I attempt that direction. |
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| [12:43:41] | <rovo> | Sorry got disconnected, incase anyone had messaged me. |
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| [12:46:25] | <AntiNSA> | omegga8cc why no new commits? is barracudda being disabled to the publis? |
| [12:46:38] | <AntiNSA> | going corporate and thats enough for open source? |
| [12:47:01] | <anarcat> | what on earth are you talking about |
| [12:47:08] | <AntiNSA> | :) |
| [12:47:25] | <anarcat> | there's been plenty of commits to *aegir* in the last days, especially on the debian packaging thank you |
| [12:47:25] | <AntiNSA> | just a phobia I have that all great things go ccoorporate |
| [12:47:38] | <anarcat> | now barracuda is not the topic of the channel here :P |
| [12:47:56] | <anarcat> | heck, there was a *release* two days ago :P |
| [12:47:57] | <AntiNSA> | https://github.com/omega8cc/nginx-for-drupal last update 3 days ago |
| [12:48:11] | <anarcat> | AntiNSA: that's not the url for barracuda - it's on drupal.org now |
| [12:48:18] | <rovo> | anarcat: do you have any ideas if aegir might run on amazon aws micro instance? |
| [12:48:34] | <anarcat> | rovo: i don't know what a aws micro instance is |
| [12:48:34] | <anarcat> | so no |
| [12:48:47] | <rovo> | ah, it's amazons cloud service |
| [12:48:48] | <AntiNSA> | you guys should put a link @ https://github.com/omega8cc/nginx-for-drupal to drupal.org |
| [12:49:37] | <anarcat> | AntiNSA: i am not part of the barracuda project, this is #aegir. |
| [12:49:52] | <anarcat> | rovo: i know it is, i am just not familiar with the 'micro' part |
| [12:50:31] | <rovo> | hm, I will try to come up with a summary, but this is the breakdown http://docs.amazonwebservices.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/index.html?Lau... |
| [12:50:32] | <AntiNSA> | used to be a lot of barracuda stuff in here. do you know where I can find it now? |
| [12:50:45] | <AntiNSA> | I cant see it @ drupal.org |
| [12:50:59] | <anarcat> | rovo: just try it then you can write all about it on the community site :P |
| [12:51:05] | <rovo> | haha |
| [12:51:05] | <rovo> | ok |
| [12:51:07] | <rovo> | you are right |
| [12:51:09] | <anarcat> | AntiNSA: you'll have to ask omega8cc |
| [12:51:39] | <rovo> | I've been running drup7 on it, and it works great, but was worried Aegir might need more? ... or does Aegir actually need less than a drupal 7 install? |
| [12:52:13] | <AntiNSA> | omega8cc: can you tell me what happened to barracuda? no commit in 3 days at https://github.com/omega8cc/nginx-for-drupal . is it discontinued? can you tell me the new location for commit logs? |
| [12:52:15] | <anarcat> | it should be fine |
| [12:53:23] | <rovo> | hm, one of the notes amazon says for optimizing an instance is "Limit the number of recurring processes that use CPU time (e.g., cron jobs, daemons)" |
| [12:53:47] | <rovo> | i would think aegir is is pretty cron intensive, but maybe I am misunderstanding terminology |
| [12:54:14] | <anarcat> | that is correct |
| [12:54:22] | <anarcat> | you may want to try out darthsteven's new dispatcher |
| [12:54:51] | <AntiNSA> | hefring tell omega8cc: can you tell me what happened to barracuda? no commit in 3 days at https://github.com/omega8cc/nginx-for-drupal . is it discontinued? can you tell me the new location for commit logs? |
| [12:54:51] | <hefring> | AntiNSA: I'll pass that on when omega8cc is around. |
| [12:55:01] | <smthomas> | rovo: I am running a bunch or remote Aegir webservers on Amazon AWS and have had no problems but I don't have Aegir installed on an instance |
| [12:55:03] | <rovo> | what is darthstevens dispatcher? |
| [12:55:20] | <rovo> | smthomas: cool, what do you have it installed on |
| [12:55:45] | <smthomas> | I have a local dev server that manages all my remote "production" level websites |
| [12:56:04] | <smthomas> | Aegir is installed on my dev server and manages the other sites |
| [12:56:15] | <anarcat> | rovo: --author 'Sofian Benaissa <sofian@koumbit.org>' |
| [12:56:17] | <anarcat> | wtf |
| [12:56:21] | <anarcat> | rovo: https://drupal.org/node/338621 |
| [12:57:39] | <rovo> | smthomas: wow, that sounds really interesting, but a bit above my head at this stage. I wouldn't know how to get a local dev server to communicate with my aws server |
| [12:58:20] | <smthomas> | there is some pretty good documentation on setting up remote web servers in Aegir, and once you figure one out its pretty easy |
| [12:58:42] | <smthomas> | If you want to try it and get stuck, I can probably help out |
| [13:02:05] | <smthomas> | rovo: The communication is done through ssh, basically your local development server's Aegir instance communicates to all your remotes and manages them |
| [13:02:44] | <smthomas> | Also if your local Aegir instance goes down (since it is on a dev server), your production site will not be affected (besides cron maybe not getting run) |
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| [13:08:56] | <rovo> | wow that is really interesting |
| [13:10:01] | <rovo> | i think though, I'd like to just try installing aegir onto the server for now? |
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| [13:11:05] | <rovo> | or maybe I am asking for trouble... I think I'm worried there about it possibly incurring some kind of bill from doing something excessive to the server |
| [13:12:28] | <mig5> | i'm sure amazon will give you the ability to monitor the usage of your server prior to receiving a bill |
| [13:12:36] | <mig5> | you seem resistant to the Try It And See approach :P |
| [13:13:41] | <smthomas> | rovo: I think you could run Aegir from an amazon micro instance |
| [13:15:28] | <smthomas> | rovo: Also from the AWS management interface you can monitor bandwidth usage |
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| [13:36:36] | <rovo> | mig5: hey Mig! |
| [13:37:03] | <rovo> | I'm going to do it, and I'll be sure to share all the details I can on the community site |
| [13:39:02] | <rovo> | alright, got to run for now. Thanks, ill check back in soon |
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| [14:03:48] | <nlcluigi> | omega8cc: Thank you. |
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| [16:37:06] | <AntiNSA> | anyone know what happened to barracuda? Has development stopped? is Omegga8cc ok? No commits in 3 days on git of gitorious. Anyone know if it moved or what the new site is that they moved too? I am worred after months of using barracuda and trying to make a site off ti now that everyone now disappeared... |
| [16:39:16] | <mig5> | jesus give it a rest.. |
| [16:39:27] | <mig5> | ffs |
| [16:40:27] | <AntiNSA> | sorry is this a crazy question? |
| [16:40:32] | <mig5> | yes |
| [16:40:38] | <mig5> | and probably your most rudest, unreasonable yet. |
| [16:40:40] | <AntiNSA> | Im thinking about the long term viability |
| [16:40:53] | <AntiNSA> | I am just wondering if everything is going ok |
| [16:41:13] | <AntiNSA> | I cant velieve its rude. please explain. |
| [16:41:16] | <mig5> | 3 days does not constitute a disappearance, especially not on an opensource project. this is a project people dedicate their own spare time too, for usually no or little money |
| [16:41:30] | <AntiNSA> | right I copletely agree. |
| [16:41:30] | <mig5> | you als ohaven't explained what commits you expected to see. you just want to see 'activity'. |
| [16:41:50] | <mig5> | so be thankful you're getting anything at all, for absolutely no cost |
| [16:42:03] | <AntiNSA> | its very different though to the normal traffic in the last 3 months. if everything is ok and just no commits thats completely ok with me. |
| [16:42:29] | <mig5> | three days is roughly a weekend across timezones.. you really expect non-stop commits? no toilet breaks? |
| [16:42:40] | <AntiNSA> | you know if it pisses you off why make it open source? I wasnt asking for anything just to know everything was ok |
| [16:43:18] | <mig5> | you were asking, without asking. you consider 3 days to be a disappearance, a chaotic situation, and you're worried |
| [16:43:18] | <AntiNSA> | I don t need any commits. It just seem like everyone disappeared. it is the longest I have seen no action. Actually it works great so I thought maybe it was finished . |
| [16:43:38] | <AntiNSA> | I was worred it would be like pantheon. whichh went private. |
| [16:44:11] | <mig5> | after 3 days? |
| [16:44:13] | <mig5> | wow |
| [16:44:20] | <AntiNSA> | I just dont want to be working with something that is open source untill the bugs are worked out, and then the developeers completely dissappear and the scene dries iup |
| [16:44:38] | <mig5> | well, the good thing about open source is, you'd be able to fork the project and maintain it yourself |
| [16:44:41] | <mig5> | which i know will please you :) |
| [16:45:05] | <AntiNSA> | I was inqui=ring if everything was cool. All compliments. I wasnt askjing for commits or compaling that any needed to be made. It is just different than the commit schedule for the last 3 months. |
| [16:45:07] | <mig5> | if you are desperate to see more progress, because 3 days of people on a weekend is unacceptable, how about you start working on some bugs and submitting patches |
| [16:45:31] | <AntiNSA> | I think you are burnt out. |
| [16:45:36] | <AntiNSA> | you misunderstood me. |
| [16:45:39] | <mig5> | i think you are a troll :) |
| [16:45:50] | <AntiNSA> | I am not someone breathing down your neck for progress. |
| [16:46:02] | <AntiNSA> | I am just curious if everythign is cool. |
| [16:46:14] | <AntiNSA> | thats all. |
| [16:46:17] | <mig5> | everything is cool. |
| [16:46:43] | <AntiNSA> | In fact I was really excited when I say that omegga8cc was going to be allowed to contrib more to aegir. |
| [16:47:00] | <AntiNSA> | I look forward tpo seeing your cool work. it helps a lot of people/ |
| [16:47:12] | <AntiNSA> | just dont sell out to quick. |
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| [16:48:14] | <mig5> | thank you for your excellent advice on my slow decline into selling out |
| [16:48:21] | <mig5> | is there anything else I can help you with today? |
| [16:48:38] | <AntiNSA> | actually the release of current compared to december is like night and day for me. awsome progress. |
| [16:48:51] | <mig5> | feel free to work on any of these bugs http://drupal.org/project/issues?text=&projects=hosting%2C+provision%2C+... |
| [16:48:56] | <AntiNSA> | just thanks for everything. go get em. |
| [16:48:58] | <mig5> | our progress is powered by the contributions of the community |
| [16:49:55] | <AntiNSA> | I can help you by reportign any bugs I have. I can say the migration and verify process being fixed is awesome. I read about the migration alias bug, but if you verify right after you migrate it creatres an alias . |
| [16:50:41] | <AntiNSA> | I can see any fault in anything right now. Slow transition to logging in and loggin out and view creation.deletion. most things are completely awesome. |
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| [16:52:00] | <AntiNSA> | I dont know how other peopek get better performance without views caching, when I turn it off it skyrockets my cpu load. with it on and the other caching stuff things are so low in resources compared to apache and he releaser from the beg of hjan untill the mid of feb. |
| [16:52:31] | <AntiNSA> | anyways praise aegir and barracuda. you guys rock. |
| [16:53:04] | <darthsteven> | AntiNSA: If you can detail what is slow and why, then post an issue. 'My site is slow' is not a performance issue |
| [16:54:43] | <AntiNSA> | no. I cant see any faults. |
| [16:54:52] | <AntiNSA> | just a general statement. |
| [16:57:26] | <darthsteven> | if no-one works out why their site is using more CPU than they think it should, then it'll never get reduced, so if you care about it enough to complain, you should also care enough to put time in to investigate |
| [16:59:16] | <AntiNSA> | Im not complaining. I am saying with vews caching disabled. As most people I have talked to they said to enable views caching. Omegga8c said that things are better with it disabled. I tried to disable all views caching and saw cpu use skyrocket, which is what I expected with no views caching. Im just saying if there is a way to get low cpu use without views caching I dont know how. I have no |
| [16:59:16] | <AntiNSA> | problem using views caching fwiw. |
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| [17:00:18] | <AntiNSA> | I cant believe people have loswer cpu use with views caching disabled than enabled. |
| [17:00:39] | <darthsteven> | i don't they do say that |
| [17:00:53] | <darthsteven> | more likely they are saying that getting view caching right is a hard problem |
| [17:01:07] | <darthsteven> | just having time based caching is rubbish |
| [17:01:23] | <darthsteven> | and more advanced content caching is a very hard problem |
| [17:01:56] | <darthsteven> | (and having written the content caching module in use on d.o, I should know) |
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| [17:36:36] | <omega8cc> | omg, I will start using this epic "toilet break" as my away message, lol |
| [17:36:36] | <hefring> | omega8cc: 4 hours 41 min ago <AntiNSA> tell omega8cc: can you tell me what happened to barracuda? no commit in 3 days at https://github.com/omega8cc/nginx-for-drupal . is it discontinued? can you tell me the new location for commit logs? |
| [17:37:01] | <omega8cc> | haha, crazy |
| [17:39:18] | <mig5> | :) |
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| [23:22:22] | <kissakala> | http://www.gratispremium.info/?ref=222530 |
| [23:23:56] | <kissakala> | Can you click that link? That's not virus or etc. Just harmless link. If you click that I'll be happy :) |
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| [01:34:59] | <nlcluigi> | Omega8cc: I think that some time ago I saw a page for donation for Aegir/Barracuda? Or I am wrong? Do we have something like this? |
| [01:40:54] | <nlcluigi> | Anyone? :) |
| [01:51:30] | <StepanKuzmin> | Yeah, I think, it`ll be nice ;) |
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| [02:43:30] | <omega8cc> | nlcluigi: hmm.. I never seen anything like that ;) |
| [02:46:47] | <omega8cc> | nlcluigi: maybe we should ask core devs to set up one, or to discuss some kind of development fund even |
| [02:48:42] | <omega8cc> | anyway, a good start is to help with reviewing issue queue, test patches, improving docs etc, as donating your time is also highly appreciated |
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| [07:09:05] | <nlcluigi> | Omega8cc: I will try to do so. I have spoked with someone from Koumbit about automated testing with Selenium but he was a little busy so we miss the start. Maybe we must try to do this one more time. Still... some donation/funding must be setup. |
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| [08:01:29] | <ergonlogic> | nlcluigi: what did you have in mind re donations/funding? |
| [08:03:06] | <nlcluigi> | We have around 12 developers. So open a system to fund this work. |
| [08:04:05] | <nlcluigi> | Here -> http://community.aegirproject.org/ We can see all the work/team/cost. Why not to put there a donation link and a gathered sum? |
| [08:04:52] | <nlcluigi> | Personally I wish to donate a sum each month. Also I will try to get involve in the project. Probably with testing/documentation. |
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| [08:05:16] | <ergonlogic> | nlcluigi: could you be more specific? |
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| [08:06:03] | <nlcluigi> | Let me find something similar ok? 1 sec |
| [08:06:25] | <ergonlogic> | I mean, that right now there isn't an Aegir Association, or anything, to manage a pool of funds |
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| [08:07:17] | <ergonlogic> | Koumbit is a non-profit, and could handle it, but it would add administrative overhead |
| [08:07:34] | <nlcluigi> | I know what you mean. |
| [08:07:52] | <ergonlogic> | fyi, I work with Koumbit |
| [08:08:25] | <nlcluigi> | Yes, I know. We talked at Drupalcamp Montreal |
| [08:08:44] | <nlcluigi> | We meet each :) |
| [08:08:51] | <ergonlogic> | nlcluigi: oh, hi! |
| [08:08:58] | <ergonlogic> | I didn't realize |
| [08:09:41] | <nlcluigi> | No problem. 1 question. in what manner Drupalcamp was funded? There was this problem also with that event no?Or I am wrong? |
| [08:09:57] | <nlcluigi> | There was no association also. |
| [08:10:08] | <nlcluigi> | Still ... we get some funds right? |
| [08:10:22] | <ergonlogic> | nlcluigi: How about adding a discussion at community.aegirproject.org, and see if you can get other input? |
| [08:11:06] | <ergonlogic> | well for DrupalCamp, there were direct costs, sponsorship, etc. but I wasn't really involved in the financials |
| [08:11:10] | <nlcluigi> | That will be a good idea. Because this is the next thing. What Koumbit think about that? |
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| [08:11:54] | <ergonlogic> | I can't speak for Koumbit, but you're not the only person interested in donating |
| [08:12:14] | <ergonlogic> | I think it's a great idea |
| [08:13:48] | <nlcluigi> | I was asked you, because I think that the initiative is on your side. Koumbit is leading this project no? So is up to them to decide or to think about the project direction. |
| [08:14:33] | <nlcluigi> | So .. we will do this discution on community site to see if we can get some move right? |
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| [08:22:36] | <mig5> | +1 f or giving koumbit funds to work on aegir |
| [08:22:38] | <mig5> | :) |
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| [08:37:16] | <ergonlogic> | mig5: Hi :) |
| [08:37:24] | <mig5> | yo |
| [08:37:35] | <ergonlogic> | mig5: pm? |
| [08:37:40] | <mig5> | sure |
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| [08:56:38] | <ergonlogic> | So, I've been working on an Aegir extension lately: hosting_saas |
| [08:56:59] | <ergonlogic> | can be found here: https://github.com/ergonlogic/hosting_saas |
| [08:57:19] | <ergonlogic> | basically, the idea is to assign uid1 to an internal admin |
| [08:57:30] | <ergonlogic> | and create a 2nd user on sites |
| [08:57:38] | <ergonlogic> | and assign that user a role |
| [08:57:51] | <ergonlogic> | so aegir can be more SaaS-like |
| [08:57:55] | <ergonlogic> | hence the name |
| [08:57:59] | <mig5> | i've been thinking about that - i.e that's often seen as good practice on regular drupal sites anyway right? |
| [08:58:13] | <ergonlogic> | for client users, sure |
| [08:58:31] | <mig5> | sounds good |
| [08:58:42] | <ergonlogic> | I've got a good part of it working |
| [08:59:06] | <mig5> | the 'saas' bit might be a bit obscure in terms of what it does. but the description is good |
| [08:59:11] | <ergonlogic> | the front-end form that attaches as a tab to platofrms |
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| [08:59:55] | <ergonlogic> | It's the main blocker, imo, for a SaaS business model, considering uc_hosting, already handles purchasing |
| [09:00:37] | <ergonlogic> | the second user is created and assigned the role specified on the platform saas tab |
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| [09:02:10] | <ergonlogic> | I guess, at this point, I'm trying to handle overriding the default site context |
| [09:03:05] | <ergonlogic> | and yesterday, anarcat suggested that SaaS setting for the platform be saved into the platform context |
| [09:03:12] | <ergonlogic> | which would involve hacking core |
| [09:03:33] | <ergonlogic> | any idea why he would think that? |
| [09:04:05] | <mig5> | not sure. what specifically is to be stored in the context? the user? |
| [09:04:21] | <ergonlogic> | right, the user that's used to create uid1 |
| [09:05:41] | <mig5> | maybe he was thinking along the lines of how client nodes are mapped to platforms (the platform access control stuff) |
| [09:05:47] | <mig5> | i'm really not sure, reading your code now. |
| [09:06:46] | <mig5> | or perhaps the fact that it's tied to packages (profiles), which exist on platforms |
| [09:06:54] | <mig5> | we'll need to drag him out of the woods :) |
| [09:07:39] | <ergonlogic> | he'll wander back on his own, I suspect |
| [09:07:41] | <mig5> | what i would really like to see, is the ability to save arbitrary data to a context, in the aegir core itself |
| [09:07:56] | <mig5> | rather than have those available properties hardcoded |
| [09:08:01] | <ergonlogic> | yeah, I saw dome discussion in the queue about that |
| [09:08:12] | <mig5> | but it was explicitely coded not to do that, i don't know of the implications |
| [09:08:14] | <ergonlogic> | s/dome/some |
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| [09:08:56] | <mig5> | the only way to do so, is to create an entire 'service' |
| [09:09:03] | <mig5> | with its own set of hardcoded properties that can be used |
| [09:09:12] | <mig5> | and that's probably an awkward model for you here |
| [09:09:20] | <mig5> | if not impossible entirely |
| [09:09:34] | <ergonlogic> | that's what I thought |
| [09:09:47] | <ergonlogic> | I kinda think of a service as like db, or apache |
| [09:09:58] | <ergonlogic> | I don;t know how that would even happen here |
| [09:10:09] | <mig5> | yeah |
| [09:10:18] | <mig5> | apache is a service type of service http |
| [09:10:28] | <ergonlogic> | ok, right |
| [09:10:50] | <mig5> | p.s your post_hosting_install_task hook would be good in its own .drush.inc file just to keep consistent with other hosting features |
| [09:10:53] | <mig5> | but i'm going off topic :) |
| [09:11:11] | <ergonlogic> | coding style suggestions are very welcome |
| [09:12:06] | <ergonlogic> | so in hosting_saas.drush.inc? |
| [09:12:11] | <mig5> | yeah |
| [09:12:20] | <mig5> | just that last function, drop it in there |
| [09:12:28] | <ergonlogic> | I've got a place-holder file that refers to some cheese :) |
| [09:12:38] | <mig5> | i wouldn't know anything about that.. :) |
| [09:13:00] | <ergonlogic> | would I have to rename the function? |
| [09:13:05] | <ergonlogic> | drush_... |
| [09:13:10] | <mig5> | nah |
| [09:13:22] | <mig5> | compare with the hosting_site.drush.inc in hosting/site/ |
| [09:13:28] | <mig5> | function hosting_site_post_hosting_install_task($task, $data) { |
| [09:13:43] | <mig5> | so the function name is correct in your case |
| [09:13:51] | <mig5> | and don't ask me how that stuff works in drush, i've no idea :) |
| [09:13:51] | <ergonlogic> | I was kinda thinking of using drush_hosting_saas_pre_hosting_task in that drush.inc to override the user |
| [09:15:14] | <mig5> | yeah - i was wondering if you really need it stored in a context? it's only going to run once right? |
| [09:15:21] | <mig5> | not repeatedly on verify etc? |
| [09:15:27] | <mig5> | the user-create i mean |
| [09:15:57] | <mig5> | you could have a corresponding .drush.inc in ~/.drush that calls a provision post-install hook and injects that |
| [09:16:06] | <mig5> | so it only runs on install |
| [09:16:18] | <mig5> | but i may be talking out my arse, not fully understanding the code |
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| [09:22:41] | <ergonlogic> | ok, I moved the post_install hook |
| [09:23:37] | <ergonlogic> | I figure the user_create only runs on install |
| [09:23:52] | <ergonlogic> | but I'm kinda vague about all the things that verify does |
| [09:24:33] | <ergonlogic> | it might re-write the login link |
| [09:24:37] | <mig5> | verify just regenerates settings.php, the site vhost, chown/chmod stuff, and does a 'scan' of packages on the system (modules, themes etc) and updates the frontend. that last bit, is possibly only done on platform verify (not site verify) |
| [09:25:02] | <mig5> | any login link manipulation is only done in the specific login_reset task i think |
| [09:25:06] | <ergonlogic> | "just" that? :) |
| [09:25:19] | <mig5> | hey, that's simple compared to Migrate :) |
| [09:25:29] | <mig5> | so if you know this stuff should only run on install, then i reckon you could have just a post_install provision hook |
| [09:25:35] | <mig5> | that runs the drush command user-create $whatever |
| [09:25:36] | <ergonlogic> | I'll take your word for it |
| [09:25:38] | <mig5> | would that work ? |
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| [09:26:05] | <ergonlogic> | wait, huh? |
| [09:26:36] | <ergonlogic> | so, rewrite uid1 post install? |
| [09:27:03] | <mig5> | oh hum, maybe that wouldn't work |
| [09:27:07] | <mig5> | since it would probably be operating as uid1 |
| [09:27:58] | <mig5> | do you want to create a ticket for this? sorry my concentration is lapsing, 9;30 on a monday at work, things heating up |
| [09:27:59] | <ergonlogic> | I also don;t want the welcome email fired off before I;ve had a chance to change it |
| [09:28:06] | <mig5> | ahh true |
| [09:28:09] | <mig5> | didn't think of that |
| [09:28:14] | <ergonlogic> | no worries |
| [09:28:20] | <ergonlogic> | I appreciate the feedback |
| [09:28:41] | <ergonlogic> | I wasn't sure if I was missing something obvious |
| [09:29:24] | <ergonlogic> | I think I'll just start drinking, and let the balmer peak take care of it :) |
| [09:29:35] | <ergonlogic> | hasn't work so far |
| [09:29:44] | <ergonlogic> | thanks again |
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