IRC logs for #aegir, 2011-04-13 (GMT)

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[10:03:05]<sk33lz>working on the extras now
[10:04:13]<AntiNSA>after skipping webmin install failed and rebooted nginx, and I had to log into my server manually,strange.
[10:04:25]<AntiNSA>that never happened before. trying to install barracuda again.
[10:04:45]<sk33lz>are you using the repo from github or gitorious?
[10:04:49]<AntiNSA>the oonly time this ever happened was when I was in a super hurry. It figures
[10:05:15]<AntiNSA>github
[10:05:24]<sk33lz>same
[10:05:46]<sk33lz>so mine made it through past webmin
[10:06:00]<sk33lz>but I had other weird issues that I had to already redo the Barracuda script
[10:06:39]<anarcat>mig5: no that was fine :)
[10:06:49]<anarcat>mig5: let's hope rc7 gets golden :P
[10:06:57]<AntiNSA>I thought the barracuda.sh it the same from github and gitorious... isnt it? I know it ssays the alpha is at gitorious...
[10:07:03]<AntiNSA>but the commit logs are the same
[10:07:06]<anarcat>and sorry i missed the scrum folks, "force majeure" as we call it - and i did ping mig5 about it yesterday ;)
[10:08:30]<sk33lz>I am not sure exactly, I read this and was confused
[10:08:32]<sk33lz>alpha release. Master repository moved to http://gitorious.org/aegir
[10:08:47]<sk33lz>that is what it says on github now
[10:09:32]<AntiNSA>changing forcegithub to gitorious and trying install again with barracuda.sh from gitorious
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[10:11:29]<sk33lz>so the github repo is an alpha for testing now?
[10:11:45]<AntiNSA>i thought gitorious was?
[10:11:49]<sk33lz>oh
[10:12:04]<AntiNSA>but I think it just says that and they are both the same?
[10:12:10]<sk33lz>see I am not sure since the msg was added
[10:12:19]<AntiNSA>the commit logs are the same
[10:12:27]<sk33lz>well next time omega8.cc is around perhaps we can get a clarification on that :)
[10:12:55]<AntiNSA>god I hope I can get this to be successsfull...
[10:13:04]<sk33lz>seems to be working for me after rerunning the Barracuda.sh
[10:13:13]<sk33lz>so must have just been a ghost
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[10:13:21]<AntiNSA>the only time I am on a deadline i have a problem with the install.... so ironic...
[10:13:31]<AntiNSA>100 times and never a problem...
[10:13:37]<sk33lz>murphy's law :)
[10:13:48]<AntiNSA>so completely true
[10:14:30]<AntiNSA>heffreing tell omegga8cc big problems on current barracudda.sh unable to complete install
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[10:14:47]<AntiNSA>hefring tell omegga8cc big problems on current barracudda.sh unable to complete install
[10:14:47]<hefring>AntiNSA: I'll pass that on when omegga8cc is around.
[10:14:59]<sk33lz>oh wow I didn't know we had a bot in here :D
[10:15:02]<sk33lz>botsnack
[10:15:02]<hefring>mmm... provisions
[10:15:36]<AntiNSA>how many times did you attempt to install?
[10:15:52]<sk33lz>just twice
[10:16:02]<sk33lz>I stopped the bash script and reran it from scratch
[10:16:03]<AntiNSA>arggh.. plus me = 3
[10:16:12]<sk33lz>have you tried running dpkg --configure -a?
[10:16:19]<AntiNSA>trying now after switching to gitorious
[10:16:29]<sk33lz>I saw a msg for that, but didn't seem to have to rerun it
[10:16:34]<sk33lz>or run that I should say
[10:16:34]<anarcat>AntiNSA: try install aegir directly - apt-get install aegir ;)
[10:16:46]<sk33lz>does that work?
[10:16:47]<sk33lz>:D
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[10:17:20]<AntiNSA>if I install aegir directly, wont I miss all the nginx goodness?
[10:17:56]<AntiNSA>is the nginx setup with aegir and barracuda the same?
[10:18:20]<anarcat>aegir debian packages do not support nginx right now
[10:18:27]<anarcat>but that should be fairly easy to do, actually
[10:18:42]<anarcat>and if you go through the manual process, you can of course install with nginx support fairly easily
[10:18:45]<anarcat>it's just a flag
[10:19:00]<AntiNSA>not much for me is fairly easy....
[10:19:38]<AntiNSA>hence my love for barracudda/octopus when it is working...
[10:19:52]<anarcat>hefring: installing is <reply>install instructions are in http://community.aegirproject.org/installing - for debian: http://community.aegirproject.org/installing/debian, manually: http://community.aegirproject.org/installing/manual
[10:19:52]<hefring>anarcat: Okay.
[10:20:00]<anarcat>yeah
[10:20:08]<anarcat>do you *really* need nginx? :)
[10:20:26]<anarcat>anyways, i gotta go
[10:20:38]<AntiNSA>when I tried to run pantheon the server resources were way higher than when I was running barracudda
[10:20:47]<AntiNSA>and I know that was apache...
[10:20:50]<anarcat>that's possible
[10:21:06]<AntiNSA>ow I am scared to ever use apache again on my little 1.5 gb linode server
[10:21:11]<sk33lz>you can scale apache down, but nginx scales down better I think
[10:21:18]<sk33lz>wow, I only have a 512 D:
[10:21:26]<AntiNSA>yeah it was huge difference for me
[10:21:36]* anarcat nods
[10:21:38]<anarcat>good to hear
[10:21:53]<AntiNSA>night and day
[10:21:57]<anarcat>maybe i should just do that nginx debian package... it's just not a priority for Koumbit right now so i'm not paid to do that :)
[10:22:10]<sk33lz>that would be really cool anarcat
[10:22:15]<anarcat>besides, once aegir is installed, it's not too hard to switch webservers either
[10:22:20]<anarcat>sk33lz: bounty?
[10:22:25]<sk33lz>I didn't even realize there was a package available
[10:22:26]* anarcat bounty hunter cat ;)
[10:22:40]<anarcat>anyways, i shouldn't be here :)
[10:23:02]<sk33lz>not currently, anarcat, but I will keep you posted if needed :)
[10:23:09]<anarcat>sk33lz: sure can!
[10:23:10]<AntiNSA>I have such a crazy dynamic based drupal and sp many students on a shoestring seof funded project in Chin.... non profit and I am a teacher with hardly any classes now and hungry children so nginx and barracuda was my choice
[10:23:10]<sk33lz>just sounded like a great idea
[10:23:32]<anarcat>i'm actually serious - there are tons of things we can do with aegir, it's just that the ground fact is that some people are paying for some services and that is what is coded :)
[10:23:46]<anarcat>AntiNSA: sounds reasonable :)
[10:23:55]<anarcat>i don't think it would be too hard really
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[10:23:58]<sk33lz>well, great job so far :)
[10:24:09]<anarcat>i could rewire aegir-hostmaster to be aegir-frontend-apache
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[10:24:50]<AntiNSA>I sent a text last night @ 10:20 to the dean of two universities, and the fao at two other universities inviting them to peek at our progress... and i was supposed to do a server upgrade last night @ 1:30 but fell asleep
[10:25:09]<sk33lz>doh
[10:25:21]<anarcat>darn :)
[10:25:25]<AntiNSA>and now its 8:25 in the am I am dreadign sending that sms to tell them site is down for server upgrades please check back later
[10:25:35]<AntiNSA>yeah I am so greedy
[10:25:37]<anarcat>the site is down now?
[10:25:44]<AntiNSA>always trying for that ever better update
[10:25:52]<AntiNSA>every tuesday night I go for it
[10:26:32]<AntiNSA>mine is... tryign to install brracuda again from forced gitorious at 3/3 right now fingers crossed
[10:26:49]<anarcat>hehe
[10:26:52]<anarcat>good luck!
[10:26:55]<AntiNSA>thanks
[10:27:17]<anarcat>you that, worst case, you can always install aegir and import those platforms in - although i don't knwo if that was ever done
[10:27:17]<AntiNSA>you guys are great I appreciate all of your hard work. it feeds my family
[10:27:24]<AntiNSA>(skinny chinese children)
[10:27:26]<anarcat>i don't know if there are uninstall instructions for barracuda
[10:27:38]<sk33lz>antinsa, so you were doing an upgrade not a fresh install? just wondering as I am doing a fresh install for a new box
[10:28:03]<AntiNSA>(mixed children I guess.. thank god they got the skinny chinese gene instead of the fat eat a lot of expensive food american gene)
[10:28:20]<AntiNSA>I walwasy do a fresh install
[10:28:28]<sk33lz>hmm ok
[10:28:40]<AntiNSA>back up my sites folder to a partition first
[10:28:57]<sk33lz>yeah, I do the same, I have yet to brave an actual upgrade on my live server
[10:29:01]<AntiNSA>use migrate back up module to export db and drop all cach table data first
[10:29:05]<sk33lz>I am going to be testing it though here soon
[10:29:24]<anarcat>my upgrade was apt-get install aegir :P
[10:29:29]<sk33lz>lol we have the same workflow :D
[10:29:30]<AntiNSA>yeah I wish I had two servers or two sites that I could leave one live or something..
[10:29:36]<anarcat>one guy did it in 46 seconds for rc7
[10:29:38]<anarcat>apparently
[10:29:48]<AntiNSA>wow
[10:30:00]<sk33lz>it's my next big step into figuring this beast out
[10:30:00]<anarcat>i don't want upgrades to be hard
[10:30:05]<anarcat>hence debian packages
[10:30:30]<AntiNSA>I guess if you are on amazon cloud and have the cash everything is easy
[10:31:07]<sk33lz>you should be able to scale a 1.5GB server for Apache somewhat well
[10:31:14]<sk33lz>.5 GB is pushing it
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[10:31:18]<sk33lz>256MB no way heh
[10:31:40]<AntiNSA>I think it is because I am pushing drupal so hard..
[10:31:59]<AntiNSA>I know deep inside there are way to many views...
[10:32:12]<AntiNSA>I am trying to stop but drupal is like crack
[10:32:25]<AntiNSA>just one more dynamic thinfg here or there..
[10:32:36]<sk33lz>have you tried setting up views arguments to handle things instead of creating a view for everything?
[10:32:50]<AntiNSA>thats what I think I need to do...
[10:33:02]<sk33lz>I usually create 1 or 2 views per site now and just have arguments handle everything else
[10:33:09]<sk33lz>uberview I call it :D
[10:33:17]<AntiNSA>I have suc similiar views which vary only by content type...
[10:33:34]<AntiNSA>I have like 50 views or somethinf
[10:33:47]<AntiNSA>that is the goal
[10:33:47]<sk33lz>yeah, but you can add multiple arguments to form longer paths and more specific queries
[10:34:15]<sk33lz>cool, let me know if you get stuck, I have done extensive views and panels work
[10:34:28]<AntiNSA>completely the large mountain I must climb in the future
[10:34:45]<AntiNSA>thanks
[10:34:45]<sk33lz>once it clicks you will be so happy :D
[10:34:59]<sk33lz>it saved me from have like 25 views on one site down to just 1 or 2
[10:35:07]<sk33lz>much easier to manage
[10:35:07]<sk33lz>heh
[10:35:27]<AntiNSA>but
[10:35:51]<sk33lz>does take time to setup :|
[10:35:54]<AntiNSA>actually is the memory footprint any different? Some said that when the view is not active it doesnt consume more memory
[10:36:08]<AntiNSA>I mean the cpu/mem
[10:36:22]<sk33lz>I am not sure, but I would think that less queries per second would be happening
[10:36:35]<sk33lz>thus keeping resources lower
[10:36:39]<sk33lz>just a theory
[10:36:41]<AntiNSA>my idea is it would be better to only cache one view
[10:36:54]<sk33lz>true
[10:38:01]<AntiNSA>I once tried makeing like 10 blocks and pages in a single view
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[10:38:34]<AntiNSA>but I guess that is the same as creating seperate views..
[10:38:38]<AntiNSA>idiot logic.
[10:39:52]<AntiNSA>seen omegga8cc
[10:39:52]<hefring>Sorry, I haven't seen omegga8cc.
[10:40:10]<AntiNSA>seen omega8cc
[10:40:10]<hefring>omega8cc was last seen in #aegir 1 day 8 hours ago saying 'd_arthsteven: the big search box on c.a.o is for a good reason ;)'.
[10:41:53]<AntiNSA>strange it asked me to install tomcat twice after receiveing a n answer each time
[10:42:15]<AntiNSA>install seems better so far ferom forced gitorious
[10:42:19]<sk33lz>cool
[10:42:52]<sk33lz>yeah, I have weird feeling the github repo is like the alpha/testing repo now or something because I never had any problems installing before either
[10:43:12]<sk33lz>everything seems to be working for me ok though
[10:43:16]* anarcat jedi-waves: apt-get install aegir
[10:43:24]<sk33lz>LOL :P
[10:44:08]* Zelfje is happy anarcat mentioned the manual install method, it works flawelesly :)
[10:44:25]<anarcat>Zelfje: glad to hear that!
[10:44:26]<AntiNSA>hmm... u0y or yOy what is the correct password?
[10:44:33]<sk33lz>definitely nice to know for sites I can't use nginx with
[10:44:39]<AntiNSA>0 or O
[10:44:44]<anarcat>upgrading?
[10:45:03]<AntiNSA>I wish they would not use O/0 in setup I can never tell the difference in putty
[10:45:34]<sk33lz>just copy and paste it into notepad or something that is what I do when I can't figure it out
[10:45:52]<AntiNSA>fuck
[10:46:03]<AntiNSA>sorry ctrl c
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[10:46:11]<anarcat>hefring: upgrading is <reply>to upgrade aegir, you should follow http://community.aegirproject.org/upgrading - for manual upgrades: http://community.aegirproject.org/upgrading/manual, for scripted upgrades: http://community.aegirproject.org/upgrading/script, for debian folks: http://community.aegirproject.org/upgrading/debian
[10:46:11]<hefring>anarcat: Okay.
[10:46:16]<anarcat>upgrading?
[10:46:16]<hefring>to upgrade aegir, you should follow http://community.aegirproject.org/upgrading - for manual upgrades: http://community.aegirproject.org/upgrading/manual, for scripted upgrades: http://community.aegirproject.org/upgrading/script, for debian folks: http://community.aegirproject.org/upgrading/debian
[10:46:17]<anarcat>installing?
[10:46:17]<hefring>install instructions are in http://community.aegirproject.org/installing - for debian: http://community.aegirproject.org/installing/debian, manually: http://community.aegirproject.org/installing/manual
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[10:46:32]<sk33lz>doh, I should have warned you that it copies by just highlighting, I have done that before :|
[10:46:53]<sk33lz>sorry antinsa, my bad :|
[10:47:05]<AntiNSA>no.. its mine.
[10:47:16]<sk33lz>simple mistake
[10:47:28]<sk33lz>just rerun it, it sounds like it was working ok this time
[10:47:53]<sk33lz>brb catching a smoke
[10:47:56]<AntiNSA>losing so much face today.
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[12:28:50]<rovo>I have RC7 running great on aws.amazon now
[12:29:23]<rovo>Is there somewhere that it might be useful to record this?
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[12:41:14]<AntiNSA>whats the recommendation for the javascript aggregator
[12:41:16]<AntiNSA>?
[12:41:40]<AntiNSA>gzip javascript, jsmin+ both or whqat?
[12:42:24]<AntiNSA>is it good to use gz zip since nginx does compression already?
[12:42:45]<sk33lz>hey there is a post on reddit right now about Aegir. I upvoted :D http://www.reddit.com/r/drupal/comments/gaifq/anyone_used_aegir/
[12:43:17]<sk33lz>and pimped barracuda a lil :)
[12:43:39]<AntiNSA>Im up : three hours install
[12:43:55]<sk33lz>still having problems antinsa?
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[12:44:26]<sk33lz>ah ok I read that wrong
[12:44:40]<sk33lz>glad you were able to get it figured out
[12:44:46]<AntiNSA>I got it. I have always seen a big increase with cpu load when using javascipt aggregatopr. Iwanted to test the new version since I know they did so much to integrate it into octopus and stuff....
[12:45:00]<sk33lz>ah
[12:45:02]<sk33lz>yeah java is a hog
[12:45:12]<sk33lz>I ran a minecraft server on my 1 vps for about 20 mins
[12:45:21]<sk33lz>it ran up my whole 1GB VPS in Java lol
[12:45:40]<sk33lz>sad, as I was hoping to run a server for a while
[12:46:00]<AntiNSA>I cant imagine having time to play a game...
[12:46:06]<AntiNSA>or sleeping or eating anymore
[12:46:55]<sk33lz>I surely don't play as many as I used to, Drupal keeps me pretty busy
[12:47:20]<sk33lz>I started contributing themes and now I have to upgrade them all to D7 :o
[12:47:29]<sk33lz>so far 1 down, 3 to go
[12:47:51]<AntiNSA>drupal 7 is a dream for me. one day
[12:48:58]<sk33lz>believe me, I am not running in any of my sites yet, I just was able to get updated to D6 on all of them before D7 released heh
[12:49:32]<sk33lz>fearing the worst when D5 became unsupported on release
[12:49:52]<AntiNSA>yeah when I can do argumenst good I will maybe think of d7
[12:50:05]<Zelfje>unsupported is relative and depends on the budget,.
[12:50:23]<sk33lz>true
[12:50:25]<AntiNSA>I just want to give a great thanks to everyone for the new version and I love drupal and you guys are the best in humanity.
[12:50:33]<sk33lz>but my budget was low at the time :D
[12:50:54]<AntiNSA>I wish I could fuckign kill my wife and marry drupal and have the community school my children.
[12:51:02]<AntiNSA>wait, they are.
[12:51:03]<Zelfje>low budget leads to more time and perhaps some copy paste :P
[12:51:10]<sk33lz>hehe
[12:51:13]<AntiNSA>all I have left is the wife to fix.
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[12:51:47]<sk33lz>teach your wife drupal, then she can help you out :)
[12:52:04]<sk33lz>I know it's a longshot
[12:52:13]<sk33lz>but hey I am teaching my gf a little bit at a time :)
[12:52:18]<sk33lz>she is getting it as we go
[12:52:58]<sk33lz>I did cheat a little bit and set her up with a drupal gardens account for the time being while I am too busy to setup a site on my server though lol
[12:54:01]<sk33lz>well time to try and stop thinking about drupal for a bit have a great evening all
[12:57:28]<AntiNSA>you too take it easy
[12:59:55]<AntiNSA>hefring tell omega8cc "What do you recommend for javascript aggregator? GZ Zip or JSmin or both? I think ngingx does server side compression, so is it right to not enable gzip or what do you recommend since you have integrated so much of js aggregator?"
[12:59:55]<hefring>AntiNSA: I'll pass that on when omega8cc is around.
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[13:08:59]<ergonlogic>darthsteven: api.aegirproject.org should be updating properly now... let me know if you see otherwise
[13:11:27]<ergonlogic>darthsteven: also, great job on documenting the hooks!
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[15:33:55]<AntiNSA>ping
[15:34:01]<AntiNSA>!ping
[15:34:05]<AntiNSA>seen god
[15:34:05]<hefring>Sorry, I haven't seen god.
[15:34:51]<AntiNSA>its strange that with javascript aggregator my cpu on my server is consitantly at or over 200%, but without it enabled I am at 80%
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[15:46:36]<AntiNSA>but, it is not terribly slowing down the server. is high cpu use ok sometimes?
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[17:34:12]<AntiNSA>!seen omegga8cc
[17:34:21]<AntiNSA>!seen omega8cc
[17:34:29]<AntiNSA>seen omega8cc
[17:34:29]<hefring>omega8cc was last seen in #aegir 1 day 15 hours ago saying 'd_arthsteven: the big search box on c.a.o is for a good reason ;)'.
[17:34:41]<AntiNSA>oh omega where art thou
[17:34:47]<omega8cc>AntiNSA: hey
[17:34:48]<hefring>omega8cc: 4 hours 34 min ago <AntiNSA> tell omega8cc "What do you recommend for javascript aggregator? GZ Zip or JSmin or both? I think ngingx does server side compression, so is it right to not enable gzip or what do you recommend since you have integrated so much of js aggregator?"
[17:35:04]<omega8cc>don't use javascript aggregator
[17:35:24]<omega8cc>it not always works as designed
[17:36:14]<AntiNSA>I am having a problem I noticed it really messed up mozilla, and disabling / uninstalling is not erasing enough.. getting a ton of server 500s....
[17:36:28]<AntiNSA>does it store stuff in the cache dir?
[17:36:53]<omega8cc>AntiNSA: standard JS aggregation is fine, and the extra aggregator is for those who wish to experiment
[17:36:59]<AntiNSA>and if you do use it, would you not use gz compression because nginx already compresses everything?
[17:38:09]<omega8cc>Nginx compresses it already (gzip)
[17:38:10]<AntiNSA>also, with barracuda would it be neccissary to add <?php print $styles ?><?php
[17:38:10]<AntiNSA> if(module_exists('javascript_aggregator')) {
[17:38:10]<AntiNSA> $scripts = javascript_aggregator_cache($scripts);
[17:38:54]<omega8cc>don't use it, you don't need it, it creates more problems than solves
[17:39:14]<AntiNSA>ok
[17:39:18]<omega8cc>I hope the AdvAgg will be bugs free soon
[17:39:24]<AntiNSA>I agree
[17:39:42]<omega8cc>the holy grail of css/js aggregation
[17:40:09]<AntiNSA>is there any cached stuff from javascript aggregator that is not uninstalled when module is uninstalled I need to clear out of the directorys?
[17:40:36]<AntiNSA>When I used advagg I got never ending page loads....
[17:40:40]<omega8cc>no, but you need to restart Nginx, Redis and Memcached
[17:40:46]<omega8cc>yeah
[17:40:53]<omega8cc>it is buggy
[17:41:16]<AntiNSA>I know how to restart nginx, how about redis and memcached, can you tell me how to restart those?
[17:41:23]<omega8cc>service redis-server restart
[17:41:28]<omega8cc>killall memcached
[17:41:34]<AntiNSA>awesome
[17:41:37]<AntiNSA>thanks
[17:41:56]<AntiNSA>todays barracudda isntall was the first time rever a set up failed.
[17:42:12]<AntiNSA>after skipping webmin
[17:42:26]<AntiNSA>switched to forced gitorius to get it to work
[17:42:35]<AntiNSA>failed with another guy 3 times
[17:42:41]<AntiNSA>fyi
[17:42:51]<omega8cc>maybe networks issues, it happens, as it fetches stuff from the net
[17:43:07]<AntiNSA>every tuesday I upgrade barracudda... is that the best day you think?
[17:43:10]<omega8cc>we disabled forcing git server now
[17:43:38]<omega8cc>you should use latest stable
[17:43:53]<omega8cc>the head is expected to be broken sometimes
[17:44:23]<omega8cc>latest stable is 1.0-boa-T-5
[17:44:34]<AntiNSA>when you look on gitorious and git the changelogs are the same
[17:45:06]<omega8cc>right, they are 1:1 mirrors, and there is third mirror on d.o
[17:45:15]<AntiNSA>I thought boa was the aegir part... all the changelog stuff is mostly to the nginx part
[17:45:49]<AntiNSA>I think the aegir stuff is fine, I realy like the custom stuff you guys do to nginx and self healing stuff and everything
[17:46:08]<AntiNSA>am I completely off in understanding it?
[17:46:19]<AntiNSA>is boa the nginx part too?
[17:46:19]<omega8cc>the d.o mirror is http://drupal.org/sandbox/omega8cc/1072508
[17:46:44]<omega8cc>boa is a meta stuff
[17:47:29]<omega8cc>it installs and upgrades nginx based multi-aegir-instances environment
[17:47:44]<omega8cc>it is more than nginx and more than just aegir
[17:48:09]<AntiNSA>are you ever going to work on a single site distro? DO you think it would free up a ton of resources if all you had to worry about was a single site?
[17:48:15]<omega8cc>it is a high performance complete stack, like mercury is a complete stack
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[17:48:29]<AntiNSA>right thats what I mean
[17:49:04]<omega8cc>single site distro?
[17:49:21]<AntiNSA>dies having everything be set up for multisite waste a lot of resources if youa re only using a single site?
[17:49:37]<AntiNSA>I mean aegir is great for managing multiple sites
[17:50:06]<AntiNSA>but I was just wondering if you were to develop everything for only a single site, would there be a ton of saved resources?
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[17:51:24]<AntiNSA>a single platform, single domain, etc... is there a lot of overhead I am wasting on my server because I am running a single site on a single domain?
[17:51:36]<omega8cc>NO, it doesn't matter how many platforms you have, but if you have many sites in many platforms then you have more code in memory, but thanks to shared code base design in Octopus you can re-use resources, it is highly optimized, so there is no benefit in installing some "tiny" version
[17:51:44]<AntiNSA>whereas aegir would be cool to run ten or twenty sites?
[17:52:09]<omega8cc>Aegir is great also to manage just one site
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[17:52:42]<AntiNSA>I understand how the code is shared, and I think thats really cool.. i am just wondering if the server utilization could be further optimised if it was initially designed for a single platform...
[17:53:02]<AntiNSA>I agree it is awesome
[17:53:09]<omega8cc>clone it, play with upgrades, backup and restore, test it etc, how you will do that without Aegir?
[17:53:19]<AntiNSA>especially for newbe admins.
[17:53:56]<AntiNSA>I am always nervous to clone or copy, because I think having two running sites must surely cut the ram used in half even if they share the same code
[17:54:07]<omega8cc>it saves a lot of time/work for everyone, also for drupal/sysadmin gurus
[17:54:24]<AntiNSA>totally I am abeliever
[17:54:30]<AntiNSA>did you see the reddit?
[17:54:52]<omega8cc>link?
[17:56:05]<AntiNSA>hold on a sec
[17:56:25]<AntiNSA>http://www.reddit.com/r/drupal/comments/gaifq/anyone_used_aegir/
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[17:57:49]<omega8cc>nice! :)
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[18:03:36]<AntiNSA>yeah send me a shirt and ill wear it.
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[18:04:00]<AntiNSA>Im in the fan club. We have a bout 350 students who are getting ready to send you an email
[18:04:09]<AntiNSA>end of the term.
[18:04:19]<AntiNSA>maybe I make them do a video blog.
[18:04:32]<AntiNSA>thanki9ng the open source community
[18:04:44]<AntiNSA>and pledging to server those who follow
[18:08:03]<AntiNSA>after using killall memcached do I need to restart memcached somehow?
[18:08:40]<omega8cc>no, it will restart after 10 seconds max automatically
[18:09:09]<omega8cc>I plan to add proper init script soon
[18:10:05]<omega8cc>no it is time for some breakfast, bbl
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[18:27:41]<AntiNSA>finally the avatar user profile picture works, sit .. I thought that was an error on my paart
[18:27:52]<AntiNSA>thank you. nice bonus
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[18:55:52]<AntiNSA>ok I am so confused. When I disable the standard hardcoded jabvascript aggregating my cpu useage drops from like 180-200% to around 80%. I know that drupals javascript optimisation is supposed to be good and make things faster... I am wondering if there is some world where high cpu useage is a good thing in order to optimise javascript? I figure since my cpu load is much ower I will be able to
[18:55:53]<AntiNSA>handel more simultaneous users without the javascript optimisation enabled... but is this wrong? Is higher cpu use better to enable optimised javascript?
[18:58:06]<szczym>good question for omega8cc
[18:58:35]<szczym>good morning folks
[19:02:35]<omega8cc>AntiNSA: if standard JS aggregation impacts your CPU usage, then something is seriously wrong with your site configuration or there are some other modules causing issues, as there is no reason for it and it works fine on all our servers. BTW. I have never seen anything like that, standard JS aggregation is not the real reason of your issues, imo.
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[19:03:17]<omega8cc>szczym: morning at 11 am? ;)
[19:04:28]* szczym been making clik-clik till late night and just came back from jogging
[19:06:20]<omega8cc>AntiNSA: there was a bug in the Pressflow head, fixed by davidstrauss during our IRC session at #pressflow
[19:06:50]<szczym>omega8cc: i cant locate apc setting in php.ini on my first stable, is it introduced nova days ? https://github.com/omega8cc/nginx-for-drupal/commit/78c30610107661655c7a...
[19:08:16]<omega8cc>szczym: it was set to 512M in /opt/etc/php.ini so it caused fatal crash for php-fpm for servers with only 512 MB of RAM
[19:08:29]<omega8cc>it was always there
[19:10:04]<omega8cc>512M is a good value to avoid fragmentation
[19:10:04]* szczym run locate php.ini and now see it ;)
[19:10:47]<omega8cc>because APC fragmentation can be worse than having APC disabled
[19:11:17]<szczym>my 1gb linode is swapping a lot so i will change it to 256MB
[19:11:40]<omega8cc>I think we will adjust it on the fly and Barracuda should read available system memory etc
[19:12:00]<szczym>oh, i see i have allready 128
[19:12:11]<omega8cc>try 256
[19:12:24]<szczym>its sooo clever all that baracuda
[19:13:19]<omega8cc>it is swapping because of mysql not tuned maybe, and also php-cli memory is set to 512M to avoid failed drush tasks
[19:14:09]<szczym>eee? drush needs half a gig of ram ?
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[19:14:29]<omega8cc>anyway, I consider 1 GB of RAM as a minimum, but don't wan't to break things for folks on 512
[19:14:51]<omega8cc>some tasks will fail with 256, like for heavy distros
[19:15:19]<omega8cc>and it is not using APC, of course
[19:15:29]* szczym dont like such distros
[19:15:46]<omega8cc>I wish we could switch cron to run via php-fpm with APC
[19:16:28]<omega8cc>as 85% of system load is caused by cron for sites fired up by drush
[19:16:28]<AntiNSA>dont use current dev of views... gives server 500.
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[19:17:02]<AntiNSA>I read long time ago in the forum that the javascript optimi. caused high cpu/slow sites before it was made part of core.
[19:17:04]<szczym>why its not running now via apc?
[19:17:31]<omega8cc>szczym: because it would work only for d5 and d6
[19:17:34]<AntiNSA>I cant understand what I would do to cause javascript optimisation to rise javascript optimisation on...
[19:17:50]<AntiNSA>sorry I meant cpu use
[19:18:01]<szczym>aha, thanx
[19:18:14]<omega8cc>szczym: d7 requires site key to run cron.php
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[19:20:49]<omega8cc>AntiNSA: you have some other module causing issue with JS aggregation enabled, maybe some crazy loop in the code etc
[19:20:54]<szczym>btw did any one all ready set grupalgarderns package as platform in aegir ?
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[19:21:54]<darthsteven>szczym: I have used a Drupal Gardens export in Aegir, yes
[19:22:33]<omega8cc>szczym: we have almost ready Drupal Gardens importer for Octopus
[19:22:40]<szczym>yeah !
[19:23:29]<szczym>its such a good thing that gardens
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[19:23:48]<omega8cc>but I hope it will be unified in the near future, as a part of drupal archive standard
[19:24:14]<szczym>darthsteven: could you make new sites on dg platform ?
[19:24:28]<omega8cc>anyway, drush has it partially supported already
[19:25:09]<darthsteven>szczym: I didn't try to make new sites, but if it's just standard Drupal then there's no reason why it shouldn't work
[19:25:16]<szczym>i ask becouse there are clever additional themes in /themes and not /sites/all/themes
[19:25:52]<darthsteven>szczym: yeah, those themes will get picked up as if they were part of Drupal core
[19:26:55]<omega8cc>by the way, kind of Gardens key feature for everyone: http://marmaladesoul.com/livethemer
[19:27:16]<szczym>aha, cool. becouse we are considering running the gardens export as "our" gardens thingy for novice users
[19:28:49]<szczym>hopefully authors will don`t mind it
[19:29:00]<szczym>fingers crossed
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[19:51:26]<szczym>very nice is the livethemer, move movment in thise direction and any one will be able to provide alternative, opensource blogspot, thanx to aegir too
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[21:11:46]<AntiNSA>anyone having problems with wysiwyg on newest barracuda?
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[21:12:40]<AntiNSA>or with admin menu not working on authenticated user intermittenly?
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[21:50:27]<anarcat>yaawn
[21:53:09]<AntiNSA>hmmm had to re-install wysiwyg and it is working. thats a first on a barracuda install fwiw
[21:56:01]<anarcat>darthsteven: good idea on the api_version && backup_file in settings.php template
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[22:57:22]<AntiNSA>hmmm getting reports of students logged in and trying to edit work and being told they are not logged in....
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[03:28:44]<drapergeek>I am attempting to connect to a mysql db on a port other than 3306
[03:28:48]<drapergeek>and when I try to import a site
[03:28:57]<drapergeek>it looks to be failing b/c its trying to use the 3306
[03:29:07]<drapergeek>even though the port is set properly for the database server in aegir
[03:29:11]<drapergeek>any ideas of which direction to go?
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[04:39:46]<AntiNSA>question... if you have ten views, which share many of the same fields, but differe mainly by filters, would it save resources to create a cloned display/block wiht in the same view, overidding the default display where needed, and instead of using 12 views using 12 blocks contained in
[04:39:55]<AntiNSA>one view?
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[04:58:40]<bgm>AntiNSA: i don't think it will make much of a difference. and usually it is more clear to have only one view.
[04:59:00]<bgm>AntiNSA: putting the view in a Feature (exporting it to PHP) can help for performance and change management
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[05:16:56]* anarcat notices no new critical bug in rc7
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[05:59:35]<anarcat>darthsteven: thanks for leading that scrum tuesday :)
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[07:21:20]<darthsteven>anarcat: No problem! How do you guys normally do the logs?
[07:21:56]<anarcat>darthsteven: i copy-paste from my window :P
[07:22:09]<anarcat>i usually strip out the join/part unless it's relevant
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[07:23:09]<darthsteven>That's basically what I did, just wondered if you had some nicer way of logging
[07:23:19]<anarcat>well
[07:23:40]<anarcat>irssi logs to file all the time, but it's not much different for me to paste from the window as i can't "upload a node" in drupal :P
[07:23:54]<anarcat>i know, i know, "there's a module for that", but still :P
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[07:26:21]<darthsteven>Do we have an irc bot in here?
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[07:27:20]<anarcat>darthsteven: yes, mig5 maintains hefring
[07:27:29]<anarcat>darthsteven: which logs too, ... somewhere
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[07:28:09]<darthsteven>hefring: Help?
[07:28:10]<hefring>Detailed information is available with "BOTNAME: help <feature>" where <feature> is one of: Aggregator, Botagotchi, Factoids, Karma, Logging, Reminders, Seen, Tell, Timezones.
[07:28:10]<hefring>http://community.aegirproject.org/help
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[07:33:02]<darthsteven>hefring: log bookmark?
[07:33:02]<hefring>http://hefring.mig5.net/bot/log/aegir/2011-04-13#T57271
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[07:34:14]<darthsteven>That's how you do that then
[07:35:05]<anarcat>oh
[07:35:06]<anarcat>wow.
[07:35:40]<anarcat>that's freaking cool
[07:35:42]<anarcat>logs?
[07:36:13]<anarcat>hefring: logs is <reply>yeah, ok, i admit, i'm logging this channel in http://hefring.mig5.net/bot/log/aegir - ask me about log bookmark too ;)
[07:36:13]<hefring>anarcat: Okay.
[07:36:16]<anarcat>logs?
[07:36:16]<hefring>yeah, ok, i admit, i'm logging this channel in http://hefring.mig5.net/bot/log/aegir - ask me about log bookmark too ;)
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[08:06:16]<anarcat>ergonlogic / darthsteven : this page is looking for a new home, any ideas? http://community.aegirproject.org/operating-system-support
[08:06:32]<anarcat>i just wrote this from scratch, but i think it's a really useful presentation document, if only for the TOC
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[08:51:12]<apintorso>anarcat: Nice document. http://community.aegirproject.org/operating-system-support
[08:51:25]<anarcat>apintorso: thanks
[08:51:36]<apintorso>Although, too many p's again.
[08:51:37]<anarcat>apintorso: where would you expect to find this document in the handbook? i'm trying to find a home for it
[08:51:46]<anarcat>ah ffs :)
[08:51:56]<anarcat>please do fix my stupid typos if you found any :)
[08:53:02]<apintorso>anarcat: add it to the top page http://community.aegirproject.org/handbook
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[08:53:12]<anarcat>makes sense
[08:55:13]<anarcat>darthsteven: check that one out - freaking hairy: https://drupal.org/node/993944#comment-4344690
[08:55:30]<anarcat>darthsteven / mig5 : i'm thinking of pushing our last critical bug to 2.0 and just release 1.0 already
[08:55:38]<apintorso>mig5: On your /bot page you recommend pm hefring to teach her commands. That does not work as she is an unregistered nick.
[08:55:50]<anarcat>it's not a simple bug
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[08:56:15]<anarcat>i could fix locking so that at least two sites can't have the same ssl ip at least... though
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[09:03:21]<mig5>i'd love if we could fix http://drupal.org/node/1004526
[09:03:25]<mig5>but i hit a brick wall right at the end
[09:03:41]<mig5>i'll bbs
[09:05:07]<anarcat>we can still fix this in 1.x
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[09:11:33]<mig5>fair enouhj. ive never released a 1.0 of anything, so i'm not sure when a 1.0 is 'right'
[09:12:02]<mig5>i guess it's more about 'is this production ready'
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[09:13:47]<bgm>i'm not sure i understand that issue. if you are cloning the site, the aliases cannot follow since they are already pointing to the original site
[09:14:37]<mig5>bgm: the point is that when you are cloning the site, you should have the option to set the new aliases
[09:14:40]<mig5>and the old aliases should be removed
[09:14:45]<mig5>er
[09:14:47]<mig5>well, in the case of migrate
[09:14:55]<mig5>in clone, they should be retained, but you ought to be able to set new aliases
[09:14:59]<anarcat>it's fucking right already :P
[09:14:59]<mig5>at least i think so
[09:15:10]<anarcat>we've had like 34 releases of testing :P
[09:15:21]<mig5>:)
[09:15:25]<anarcat>i was thinking of writing a script to parse those release notes to squash them in a single one :)
[09:15:47]<anarcat>aliases are untouched during migrate, right?
[09:15:47]<mig5>certainly i have heard no reports of rc7 being horribly broken
[09:15:58]<mig5>should we put it to the community, a sort of poll
[09:16:04]<anarcat>no.
[09:16:06]<anarcat>we shouldn't.
[09:16:11]<anarcat>it's getting ridiculous. :)
[09:16:13]<mig5>hehe
[09:16:14]<anarcat>rc7
[09:16:15]<anarcat>7
[09:16:17]<anarcat>se
[09:16:18]<anarcat>ven
[09:16:25]<anarcat>i know it's d7 out there, but ffs
[09:18:14]<mig5>i love it when anarcat gets itchy feet :)
[09:18:19]<mig5>ok go go!
[09:18:22]<anarcat>hehe
[09:18:26]<anarcat>well not *now* now :)
[09:18:30]<anarcat>or now?!
[09:18:31]<mig5>haha
[09:18:39]<anarcat>i at least need to finish this ssl rollback stuff
[09:19:01]<mig5>yeah
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[09:19:14]<mig5>we should do a final run-over of the issue queue, just the bugs
[09:19:27]<anarcat>maybe yeah
[09:19:45]<mig5>http://drupal.org/project/issues?text=&projects=hosting%2C+provision%2C+...
[09:20:02]<mig5>we've a few bugs that are related to multiserver
[09:20:25]<mig5>remember we had that issue where a verify would delete *new* files on the remote side... now we have a ticket saying the exact opposite
[09:20:30]<mig5>they delete a file in /files on the master copy
[09:20:33]<mig5>and verify, and it
[09:20:36]<mig5>s not removed from the remote
[09:20:46]<mig5>because we deliberately aren't setting the --delete flag to rsync for that
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[09:21:02]<mig5>personally i consider *not* deleting a file by accident, better than *deleting* a file by accident :)
[09:21:11]<mig5>and i think the multiserver stuff in general will be refactored later
[09:21:14]<mig5>so it's not a blocker
[09:21:50]<anarcat>i agree
[09:21:54]<anarcat>and i don't use it
[09:22:08]<anarcat>so unless people come up with patches or money or time, i won't be working on this before the summer
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[09:23:43]<anarcat>okay, pushed half of the ssl fix
[09:26:21]<mig5>how is ssl these days (other than that)
[09:26:28]<mig5>i am thinking of our 'experimental' features
[09:26:47]<anarcat>i don't know, really
[09:26:55]<anarcat>maybe bgm can answer better than i can about how ssl works
[09:26:57]<anarcat>i think it's okay
[09:27:05]<anarcat>i don't think it belongs in experimental
[09:27:12]<mig5>i use ssl on one site, but that's it
[09:27:18]<mig5>yeah
[09:27:24]<anarcat>i am also worried that a bunch of cool features don't get enabled on install, so that aegir ships without migrate and stuff like that enabled
[09:27:28]<anarcat>which is stupid
[09:27:40]<mig5>yeah - Migrate is almost the point
[09:28:16]<mig5>and there have been a couple cases of 'what is wrong with my install, i can't seem to use this cool Migrate / Clone thing i keep hearing about'
[09:28:30]<mig5>the cost of enabling them is pretty small..
[09:28:43]<anarcat>god i hate those function names
[09:28:47]<mig5>haha
[09:28:53]<anarcat>get_ip_certificate() and.... guess it?
[09:28:59]<anarcat>get_certificate_ip()!
[09:29:01]<anarcat>oh the joy
[09:29:03]<mig5>wtf
[09:29:41]<anarcat>yeah.
[09:29:44]<anarcat>wtf.
[09:30:11]<mig5>should be ssl_get_certificate and ssl_get_ip or something
[09:30:22]<mig5>(i'm only assuming the difference between the two there)
[09:31:11]<anarcat>no, it's almost the same thing
[09:31:27]<anarcat>get_certificate_ip() is actually like get_ip_certificate() but it actually *takes* the cert too
[09:31:49]<anarcat>i'll rename that to take_certificate_ip() thank you very much
[09:31:56]<anarcat>-fuck-
[09:32:14]<anarcat>raaah this drives me MAAD
[09:32:30]<mig5>what do you mean by 'take'
[09:32:41]<mig5>that's mor eobscure to me than 'get' :)
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[09:33:13]<anarcat>reserve_?
[09:33:19]<anarcat>assign?
[09:33:22]<mig5>ah i see
[09:33:30]<anarcat>i want all this to go to hell anyways
[09:33:36]<anarcat>i just want to remove that stupid race condition
[09:33:37]<mig5>should it be assign_certificate_to_ip
[09:33:39]<mig5>ah
[09:34:25]<anarcat>rah, they're all *over* the place
[09:34:35]<anarcat>when deleting, it's the same problem
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[09:41:26]<realityloop>mig5: are you going on holidays.. ?
[09:42:08]<realityloop>or leaving IE..? "Signing off last day of work."
[09:42:08]<bgm>sorry, busy with daughter, can't irc, will read backlog :)
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[09:43:57]<mig5>realityloop: holidays
[09:44:24]<mig5>that was more cryptic than i meant, i simply meant that was my last day of work before holidays
[09:44:43]<realityloop>mig5: thats what I thought you meant.. just wanted to confirm :)
[09:44:51]<anarcat>aaaah -ah!
[09:45:07]<anarcat>bgm: :)
[09:45:34]<anarcat>mig5: that success thing - why do we hear about it - isn't it always successful? or is it because i did a commit - or because you asked for it?
[09:45:51]<anarcat>the jenkins message, that is
[09:46:38]<mig5>it's when i run a build manually
[09:46:48]<mig5>and it meant it work, and was able to install drupal6,7 and openatrium platforms/sites as well
[09:46:54]<mig5>worked*
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[09:47:09]<mig5>i built 6.x-1.x just no to test that migrate/alias persistence thing
[09:47:18]<mig5>coz i'm too lazy to install aegir by hand :)
[09:47:22]<anarcat>hehe cool
[09:47:31]<mig5>if the success is annoying, i can set it to only alert on failure
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[09:49:34]<anarcat>nah i don't mind
[09:49:37]<anarcat>it's just unexplained
[09:49:43]<anarcat>i thought this was ran regularly
[09:49:59]<anarcat>mig5: did you notice that the drush folks have their own jenkins server for unit tests now too?
[09:51:16]<mig5>i didn't see that. do they have their own irc channel that i don't know about?
[09:51:25]<mig5>i an calso do regular jenkins builds automatically if you like
[09:51:29]<anarcat>yes, they have #drush now
[09:51:30]<mig5>i can also* jeez
[09:51:39]<anarcat>don't jeez please ;)
[09:51:42]<mig5>i keep meaning to give you an account on my Jenkins too, so you can run your own
[09:51:48]<mig5>hah
[09:52:00]* anarcat getting familiar with jenkins = good
[09:52:17]<anarcat>alright - i'm done with ssl - i *won't* unscrew all the race conditions now
[09:52:22]<anarcat>it's just ridiculous and wrong
[09:52:26]<anarcat>aka https://drupal.org/node/1126638#comment-4344912
[09:52:45]<anarcat>and i'm surprised to see that we fire up the tasks in the queue in parallel still
[09:52:51]<anarcat>but i guess it makes sense with the crappy dispatcher
[09:53:00]<anarcat>since cron fires stuff up in parallel anyways
[09:53:52]<anarcat>ah
[09:54:04]<anarcat>mig5: there's this cluster thing that joestewart found a magic and simple fix for - i think we should just commit https://drupal.org/node/1016890
[09:54:23]<anarcat>we have only two pages of actual bugs
[09:55:20]<mig5>i don't fully understand the fix: if it works, great. we *must* test a regular install of aegir (jenkins) after you commit that, because last time someone patched that bug, it broke *everything* else
[09:55:39]<mig5>this one looks a little safer perhaps
[09:55:53]<mig5>we don't want to set a context for clusters?
[09:56:40]<anarcat>i don't have a freaking clue
[09:56:47]<anarcat>that code always looked suspicious to me
[09:56:59]<anarcat>okay, so do you want to merge that and test?
[09:57:05]<anarcat>i'll keep on combing the bug queue
[09:57:32]<mig5>ok
[09:59:15]<mig5>pushed and testing now
[09:59:50]<anarcat>darthsteven / ergonlogic : i'm moving the docs issues into tasks to cleanup the bug queue