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| [10:17:55] | <anarcat> | gchaix: nice to hear that :) |
| [10:18:30] | <Deezire> | Gentoo, *shivers* |
| [10:18:41] | <gchaix> | now I just need to start importing my legacy infra under aegir management |
| [10:18:51] | <gchaix> | Deezire: aw, it's not so bad :-) |
| [10:19:31] | <gchaix> | it's kinda nice in our ganeti virtualized, cfengine-managed environment |
| [10:19:52] | <gchaix> | but yeah, years of debian/ubuntu server management made me lazy :-) |
| [10:21:00] | <Deezire> | I remember when running Gentoo made you a hacker, whilst Debian made you a regular user. Ah, those was the days |
| [10:21:43] | * gchaix wistfully recalls loading slackware from a stack of 3.5 floppies ... wait, no, not wistful. Thank heavens those days are over! |
| [10:22:21] | <gchaix> | but when one's lead sysadmin is a Gentoo committer, it's kinda hard to say, nah, I'll use Ubuntu" :-) |
| [10:22:39] | <Deezire> | Hehe, i ran slack for a few years, on and off, I was a little too young and a little to unexperienced in reading english for it to work properly |
| [10:22:57] | <gchaix> | it's come a long way |
| [10:23:19] | <Deezire> | then i moved over to Ghetto -> became a hardcore gamer -> windows for a decade -> Now it's all OSX and Debian |
| [10:23:48] | <Deezire> | But i take great pride in having run slackware when it was cool! :D |
| [10:23:57] | <Deezire> | gchaix: http://howfuckedismydistro.com/gentoo/ |
| [10:27:30] | <gchaix> | heh |
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| [10:30:04] | <gchaix> | me rolls up his sleeves and wades into migrating 14 backend VMs and 100+ sites under aegir management |
| [10:30:12] | <gchaix> | whee! |
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| [10:54:49] | <nick_santa> | Hey guys, is there any documentation of special steps required to upgrade a 0.4-alpha8 aegir install to 1.1 ? |
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| [10:57:03] | <gchaix> | nick_santa: I think this applies to that: http://community.aegirproject.org/upgrading/path#changes |
| [10:57:25] | <nick_santa> | gchaix: awesome, thankyou |
| [10:57:47] | <gchaix> | nick_santa: caveat emptor - I've only upgraded 1.0rc* to 1.1, not 0.4 |
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| [11:08:32] | <boztek> | So I heard a nasty rumour that it's currently impossible to use your own SSL certificates on an aegir managed site and must use self-signed certs - that can't be right can it? |
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| [11:46:42] | <nick_santa> | Guys, how do I force aegir to generate the drush alias files for sites? |
| [11:47:08] | <nick_santa> | I've just upgraded from 0.4-alpha8 to 1.1, and there are no alias files at the moment |
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| [11:56:47] | <nick_santa> | Ah, needed to verify the platforms first |
| [11:56:54] | <nick_santa> | Crisis averted |
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| [14:19:53] | <hunvreus> | Hi there |
| [14:19:53] | <hefring> | hey |
| [14:20:28] | <hunvreus> | I've been trying to find info on reasons why the backup process would be slow on a migrate operation |
| [14:20:33] | <hunvreus> | on a large site |
| [14:23:50] | <hunvreus> | The db seems to go smoothly but is still pretty large |
| [14:23:55] | <hunvreus> | db dump * |
| [14:26:23] | <hunvreus> | it seems it get stuck when compressing the whole thing (or at least take a really long time to complete) |
| [14:26:42] | <hunvreus> | I am not sure if that's something that anybody here would have experienced in the past |
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| [15:09:41] | <anarchat> | interesting - http://codehaus.org/customs/manifesto.html |
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| [15:52:18] | <hunvreus> | hey anarchat, I met you in Chicago |
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| [18:27:09] | <markwk> | I can't seem to transfer a site from one platform to a new one when I select migrate. |
| [18:35:57] | <siliconmeadow> | Anyone here know if the Koumbit debian repo for aegir will work with Ubuntu 10.10? :-) |
| [18:36:45] | <siliconmeadow> | erm... I think I can answer my own question |
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| [18:56:16] | <darthsteven> | siliconmeadow: I had issues with php 5.3, and had to downgrade to 5.2 first |
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| [18:57:11] | <siliconmeadow> | darthsteven: indeed - that would be a given :-) already on ye olde fashioned 5.2 at the mo |
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| [19:37:21] | <skwashd> | how dare mig5 enjoy his holiday in france! |
| [19:42:21] | <siliconmeadow> | I'm about to do the "sudo apt-get install aegir" tango. My palms are sweating. |
| [19:43:29] | <siliconmeadow> | woohoo! |
| [19:44:46] | <siliconmeadow> | probably the easiest aegir upgrade ever |
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| [22:47:13] | <cmcintosh> | woot woot |
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| [23:30:37] | <mig5> | skwashd: you are missing me that much? :P |
| [23:31:00] | <skwashd> | mig5, hey |
| [23:31:10] | <skwashd> | how is the hermitage this time of year? |
| [23:31:32] | <mig5> | wtf is hermitage? |
| [23:33:47] | <mig5> | if that's a french word i don't know it :) |
| [23:33:59] | <skwashd> | mig5, style of french red :P |
| [23:34:10] | <skwashd> | syrah and something else |
| [23:34:31] | <mig5> | ah |
| [23:34:37] | <skwashd> | https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Crozes-Hermitage_AOC |
| [23:34:57] | <mig5> | i have mainly been drinking Bordeaux, simply because that's what my grandma seems to have in her kitchen |
| [23:34:59] | <skwashd> | i ended up drink a lot of that when in grenoble |
| [23:35:00] | <mig5> | :) |
| [23:35:04] | <skwashd> | lol |
| [23:35:26] | <mig5> | and i bought a hi flask of bretn cidre-brandy to get myself through the family reunion... |
| [23:35:28] | <skwashd> | I always found Bordeaux ok, but lacked that Australian Shiraz punch |
| [23:35:29] | <mig5> | hip* |
| [23:35:31] | <mig5> | yeah |
| [23:35:54] | <skwashd> | Bordeaux reminds me of drinking Merlot |
| [23:36:03] | <skwashd> | </wine-wanker> |
| [23:36:05] | <mig5> | or pinot, yeah |
| [23:36:08] | <mig5> | too watery |
| [23:36:22] | <skwashd> | yes too watery ,... but has more to it than a pinot |
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| [23:36:46] | <skwashd> | for me i'd rather drink vodka and water over pinot |
| [23:37:23] | <skwashd> | mig5, is there a roadmap/feature list for D7 aegir? |
| [23:37:52] | <mig5> | i think we have a GSOC guy who's laid out a plan for that? |
| [23:37:56] | <mig5> | i am pretty out of it |
| [23:38:48] | <skwashd> | cool |
| [23:39:06] | <skwashd> | cos i have been looking for opportunities for UUID in D7 |
| [23:39:27] | <skwashd> | and one idea i had was making sites truly portable between aegir instances |
| [23:39:44] | <skwashd> | mig5, for example i have a LAN based dev instance of aegir |
| [23:39:56] | <skwashd> | each platform has a uuid |
| [23:40:04] | <skwashd> | each site has a uuid |
| [23:40:33] | <skwashd> | then to move it to staging you export the site and/or platform and import it into the remote aegir instance |
| [23:41:22] | <mig5> | if multiserver was better you'd treat the dev / live as remote headless nodes and run a 'control point' which is your aegir instance |
| [23:41:25] | <mig5> | but yes, makes sense |
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| [23:41:53] | <skwashd> | mig5, the biggest issue currently with aegir is the db handling with multiple servers |
| [23:41:59] | <mig5> | yep |
| [23:42:09] | <mig5> | i expect the whole thing will get rewritten eventually |
| [23:42:10] | <mig5> | :) |
| [23:42:13] | <skwashd> | and i don't see an easy way around it without requiring hostmaster on every node again |
| [23:42:14] | <mig5> | hopefully not by me.. |
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| [23:56:25] | <c_mcintosh> | whats up mig5 and skwashd sorry was doing some name checking coding on my project |
| [23:56:47] | <skwashd> | c_mcintosh, life's good |
| [23:56:58] | <c_mcintosh> | tell me more about the whole mulit server handling with database i have not used it as of yet so would like to know what sort of pot holes are happening with it |
| [23:57:11] | <c_mcintosh> | i may take a look at write something up to patch it if possible |
| [23:57:21] | <c_mcintosh> | seeing as i want to support fallback clouds |
| [23:58:41] | <mig5> | it's slooooow to dump/import a database between two remote servers in aegir |
| [23:58:43] | <mig5> | not entirely sure why. |
| [23:59:07] | <mig5> | it causes migrate / clone tasks to take forever |
| [23:59:16] | <c_mcintosh> | hmm |
| [23:59:56] | <c_mcintosh> | well depending on site size it probably should take a bit of time, but other than that are you doing a transfer from db server to db server or exporting it first then porting it to the new server? |
| [00:00:45] | <mig5> | i think it dumps the db down to the master hostmaster server with the site in the tarball, then it unpacks the tarball, imports the db over ssh or something to the db server, then syncs the site data to the remote web server |
| [00:01:04] | <mig5> | i haven't looked at it in a long time |
| [00:01:30] | <mig5> | but the issue will be in provision somewhere, or simply a pitfall of the 'spoke' model that we have, and will probably rewrite |
| [00:01:45] | <c_mcintosh> | yea |
| [00:02:01] | <c_mcintosh> | hope we can keep the spoke model, i kind of find it handy |
| [00:02:30] | <c_mcintosh> | ill have to play around with it, I got a couple of ec2s getting ready to fire up so it will be a good time to test drive it |
| [00:02:53] | <c_mcintosh> | could we just rsync it into the new server? |
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| [00:16:53] | <skwashd> | c_mcintosh, everything is run on hostmaster |
| [00:17:25] | <skwashd> | so if you have aegir in the US and web heads in AU and the UK all the queries run over those links |
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| [00:47:49] | <noecc> | omega8cc: http://groups.drupal.org/node/143854#comment-475289 |
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| [00:53:56] | <omega8cc> | noecc: nice, thanks for the link |
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| [01:35:15] | <kvanderw> | feeling stupid... getting error: "Unable to create new databases" when trying to create a new site.... |
| [01:35:29] | <kvanderw> | is there a more verbose log somewhere that would help. |
| [01:35:42] | <kvanderw> | there is plenty of disk space on the /var/lib/mysql partition |
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| [02:35:13] | <kvanderw> | fixed it... should have felt stupid. Created new partition... copied all mysql files... forgot to give user 'mysql' ownership of parent directory... (/var/lib/mysql) was owned by root. needs to be owned by mysql... all is well now. |
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| [02:37:36] | <mig5> | hefring: tell boztek not true re: SSL, we just have no SSL cert management yet. you can let it create self-signed certs, then replace those files with the proper certs and aegir won't know any different |
| [02:37:36] | <hefring> | mig5: I'll pass that on when boztek is around. |
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| [02:47:34] | <snlnz> | question for anyone, if I want to transfer all my sites from one aegir box to a fresh one, is there an easier method than rsyncing the platforms dir and dumping all the db's / re-importing them? |
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| [03:00:50] | <noecc> | snlnz: The recommended method: http://community.aegirproject.org/node/117 |
| [03:02:06] | <snlnz> | ah just what I was looking for thanks! |
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| [04:58:30] | <ryanarmstrong> | quick question, when you migrate a site from one platform to another, is Aegir going through and disabling all modules, then re-enabling them? |
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| [04:59:29] | <ryanarmstrong> | The reason I ask is I want to migrate a site, but one of the modules it is using, Media, has a critical bug that pops up when the module gets disabled, then re-enabled. I'm not upgrading the media module, but I want to upgrade several other modules |
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| [05:06:06] | <mig5> | no it doesn't do any disabling, except if it finds the version of the module on the target platform is an older version than the one it was coming from |
| [05:06:14] | <mig5> | that is part of the update.php process itself in drupal, and not an aegir thing, anyway |
| [05:06:28] | <ryanarmstrong> | Ok so only modules that need to be updated get disabled/reendabled? |
| [05:06:34] | <ryanarmstrong> | err lol re-enabled |
| [05:06:47] | <mig5> | i'm not sure they get disabled at all, it's just per the drupal update.php standard process does |
| [05:06:56] | <ryanarmstrong> | Ok cool, thanks mig5 |
| [05:07:23] | <mig5> | we literally just run 'drush updatedb' on the site after moving the site to the new platform and importing the database dump we take before we start |
| [05:07:50] | <ryanarmstrong> | Ok, and updatedb is just the drush equiv of update.php awesome thanks for the info |
| [05:07:55] | <mig5> | yup |
| [05:07:56] | <mig5> | np |
| [05:08:45] | <ryanarmstrong> | I've got a site that uses Media and Commerece, both of which are victims of that core bug regarding fields and uninstalling, so I just gotta be extra careful updating or migrating this particular site :( |
| [05:08:57] | <ryanarmstrong> | of* |
| [05:10:13] | <mig5> | at least we always take a backup when we start a migrate |
| [05:10:23] | <mig5> | if it fails completely, you might be able to restore from it |
| [05:10:44] | <mig5> | what you can also do, if you're nervous, is Clone the site first, to a new copy |
| [05:10:48] | <mig5> | doesn't affect the live site |
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| [05:12:15] | <ryanarmstrong> | Yea I think that's what I'll do |
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| [05:20:09] | <hefring> | community => custom robots.txt => http://community.aegirproject.org/discuss/custom-robotstxt |
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| [08:11:16] | <gmclelland> | stupid question: I installed aegir a long time ago, what is the easiest way to tell what version you have? |
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| [08:15:37] | <omega8cc> | gmclelland: maybe check /var/aegir/.drush/provision/aegir.make or install.sh.txt there |
| [08:15:57] | <gmclelland> | thanks will give it shot |
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| [08:26:03] | <kvanderw> | anarchat: mig5 any comments on the value of this would be appreciated :) -- https://github.com/worxco/aegirDBfix |
| [08:28:42] | <gmclelland> | @omega8cc - I have a aegir.make, but no install.sh.txt . The aegir.make doesn't contain anything helpful. Can you simply upgrade from a really old version(maybe 0.3) to the new shiny 1.1? |
| [08:30:01] | <kvanderw> | EclipseGc: you might check it out as well ^^ |
| [08:33:07] | <omega8cc> | gmclelland: sounds like you have some really old version, so you can't upgrade to 1.1 directly, you need to upgrade in 3-4 steps probably, it is explained with exact versions somewhere in the issue queue or in the community site |
| [08:33:24] | <gmclelland> | I was checking the old release notes and upgrade instructions for releases that are on groups.drupal.org and all the links are broken because they pointed to cvs :( |
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| [08:34:42] | <omega8cc> | gmclelland: we don't use g.d.o anymore, we use http://community.aegirproject.org/ instead |
| [08:37:06] | <gmclelland> | http://community.aegirproject.org/node/522 it says for previous release notes go to http://groups.drupal.org/taxonomy/term/6179 |
| [08:38:26] | <omega8cc> | this is correct |
| [08:38:31] | <omega8cc> | you need this: http://community.aegirproject.org/upgrading/path |
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| [08:40:20] | <gmclelland> | omegacc - thank you for your time and help |
| [08:40:32] | <omega8cc> | np |
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