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[13:37:34]<ssemaganda>can anyone advise on what Postfix configuration might be best as a default for an aegir install on Ubuntu 10.04?
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[14:10:02]<Egyptian[Home]>hi all
[14:10:11]<Egyptian[Home]>whats the syntax to create the aegir user on mysql ?
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[14:13:11]<ssemaganda>Egyptian the install guide has some info on creating the aegir user. not sure if that is what you need but take a look http://community.aegirproject.org/installing/manual
[14:13:35]<Egyptian[Home]>ssemaganda: i seem to be confused is there a need to create the aegir user on mysql too ?
[14:14:35]<ssemaganda>Egyptian[Home]: not sure. I am doing it for the first time myself. If you have a mysql server i think you need to
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[14:15:08]<Egyptian[Home]>rereading the manual forthe umpteenth time and ... i cant find the specific statement that says i have to create an aegir user on mysql
[14:16:57]<ssemaganda>Egyptian[Home]: i understand your frustration. I am in there too. I am using root as the user
[14:17:38]<ssemaganda>Egyptian[Home]: i'll let you know if that causes any errors
[14:18:14]<Egyptian[Home]>ssemaganda: ubuntu or rhel derivative ?
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[14:18:45]<ssemaganda>Egytpian[Home]: ubuntu
[14:19:13]<Egyptian[Home]>ssemaganda: then ... use the automated method .. works like a charm
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[14:19:39]<Egyptian[Home]>just make sure aegir user shell doesnt point to /bin/false
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[14:19:55]<ssemaganda>Egyptian[Home]: might do that if i run into trouble. too far gone now. step 7.
[14:20:05]<Egyptian[Home]>ssemaganda: heh .. ok
[14:20:07]<Egyptian[Home]>g'nite
[14:21:22]<ssemaganda>Egyptian[Home]: thanks. gnite. sorry i could not be more help
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[21:20:17]<StepanKuzmin>Hi all!
[21:20:59]<StepanKuzmin>What does this mean: "Dummy connection failed to fail:" in drush hostmaster-install?
[21:22:22]<mig5>it usually means your mysql root user could connect to sql without a password required
[21:22:25]<mig5>which is bad
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[22:22:03]<recidive>hello all
[22:22:36]<recidive>can you tell me if there's a way I can run updatedb on all sites of a given platform using drush?
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[22:46:18]<hefring>community => Aegir Setup on Amazon server => http://community.aegirproject.org/discuss/aegir-setup-amazon-server
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[22:58:38]<mig5>recidive: with a simple batch script yes, or better, use the 'Migrate' task on the platform and migrate those sites to a new target platform which will run updatedb in the process
[22:58:50]<mig5>the latter is better because it will backup your sites and rollback if it fails
[23:00:11]<recidive>mig5: thanks, my platforms are still in development, so not too much problems if it breaks a little
[23:00:34]<recidive>mig5: but once it's live, I'm surelly going to go the migrate, route
[23:01:52]<mig5>or use recidive so have a crack at something like http://pastie.org/private/gu2dokdul1xky392f6etza
[23:01:59]<mig5>but that is just off the top of my head, i've not tried it :)
[23:02:08]<mig5>maybe run with --debug on drush just in case until it works
[23:02:55]<mig5>if you know you only have one platform where all your sites are, i can offer some different code (the above doesn't take into account symlinks in the sites dir, e.g site url aliases)
[23:03:01]<mig5>but you get the idea
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[23:10:16]<recidive>mig5: thank you :)
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[23:31:52]<omega8cc>mig5: what a collection! just watching all of this, what a cat! http://www.flickr.com/photos/mig5/5722489662/in/photostream
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[23:33:54]<omega8cc>also, love this http://www.flickr.com/photos/mig5/5730482246/in/photostream and this http://www.flickr.com/photos/mig5/5730482944/in/photostream
[23:36:27]<omega8cc>and many others with magic of light http://www.flickr.com/photos/mig5/5690646480/in/photostream
[23:41:19]<mig5>hehe thanks omega8cc :)
[23:41:34]<mig5>yes that cat was one of about 30 that we saw in this part of Rome, old ruins
[23:41:56]<mig5>they dug up the ruins, apparently where Julius Caesar was assassinated, and all these stray cats moved in
[23:42:14]<mig5>no there's an organisation that feeds / vaccinates them etc
[23:43:20]<mig5>now*
[23:43:55]<mig5>omega8cc: another of my 'light' photos, from inside the Vatican http://www.flickr.com/photos/mig5/5721977533/in/set-72157626725236224
[23:45:31]<omega8cc>mig5: yes, one of my favorites already :) there are simply too many to list them all here
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[23:46:18]<mig5>a lot of bad ones too :) but i threw them all up there, will clean it up later perhaps
[23:46:31]<mig5>this was fun http://www.flickr.com/photos/mig5/5736696327/in/photostream
[23:46:51]<mig5>no fancy camera effects there, just the right place at the right time :)
[23:47:46]<mig5>i must go to bed! i'm not tired, but i'm fighting against jetlag :)
[23:47:50]<mig5>trying to get back in sync
[23:48:17]<omega8cc>mig5: don't clean anything, you never know what other people like
[23:48:36]<omega8cc>mig5: happy jetlag ;)
[23:49:15]<omega8cc>the train looks like special effects
[23:49:29]<mig5>i promise it wasn't :)
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[23:49:48]<mig5>just the fast paris metro, and a tiny camera
[23:49:48]<omega8cc>:)
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[00:33:31]<jackbravo>I've seen on some post on internet that there's the idea to build an external backup feature to aegir
[00:33:39]<jackbravo>so you can save backups on amazon s3 or similar
[00:33:46]<jackbravo>how can I help in that?
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[02:02:46]<kollapse>Hi there sk33lz.
[02:03:00]<sk33lz>howdy :)
[02:03:39]<kollapse>Well I already have nginx / php-fpm / mariadb / apc / memcached installed and configured, why would I need Barracuda ?
[02:04:02]<sk33lz>not sure if you do really, but you could save yourself the config time next time around :)
[02:04:39]<sk33lz>you just had mentioned about 4 or 5 things that Barracuda did, that you were looking to configure and figured I would let you know about it
[02:04:54]<kollapse>It includes some sort of auto-configuration based on a system benchmark / specs ?
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[02:06:27]<sk33lz>I am not 100% sure on that kollapse, you would have to ask omega8cc
[02:06:53]<StryKaizer>Looks interesting, lemme test barracuda on a vm :)
[02:07:09]<kollapse>One of the features caught my attention - * Firewall csf/lfd integrated with Nginx abuse guard (optional).
[02:07:30]<sk33lz>it locks things down very well
[02:07:42]<sk33lz>make sure to open up additional ports you are going to try and use before trying to connect ;)
[02:07:48]<sk33lz>I temp banned myself a few times hah
[02:09:30]<kollapse>Sounds very interesting. I'll be sure to keep this in mind, definately bookmark'd.
[02:09:37]<sk33lz>cool :)
[02:12:58]<StryKaizer>installing barracuda
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[02:14:32]<sk33lz>strykaizer cool ping me if you have a question
[02:14:41]<StryKaizer>thx
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[02:15:18]<StryKaizer>shouldve looked earlier into this, a clients website will be released next week, and we expect 10k users first day
[02:15:31]<StryKaizer>ahwell, 1 week to go, deadlines ftw
[02:15:45]<sk33lz>makes things exciting right?
[02:15:47]<sk33lz>lol
[02:15:50]<StryKaizer>:)
[02:17:12]<kollapse>Just a quick question - Does this support only Debian / Ubuntu ? - http://drupal.org/project/barracuda (Requirements)
[02:18:28]<sk33lz>kollapse: those are the systems it has been tested and known to work on
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[02:18:44]<sk33lz>I have tried on CentOS before and had problems after install
[02:19:05]<kollapse>Well it says - Barracuda is a bash script to install and/or upgrade. If it is a bash script then it means it uses some distro-specific package manager commands.
[02:19:24]<sk33lz>that may be why then
[02:19:46]<sk33lz>it must be debian specific in that case I suppose
[02:19:59]<sk33lz>why what are you running?
[02:20:10]<kollapse>Gentoo Linux x86_64
[02:20:39]<sk33lz>hmm
[02:21:12]<kollapse>If it uses basic ./configure, make, make install then it should be supported on all distros.
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[02:22:33]<StryKaizer>hmmz sk33lz, guess I cant test it on a local (virtualbox) vm? seems like it needs a registered dns?
[02:22:46]<StryKaizer>or can I use debian.local for it?
[02:22:51]<sk33lz>well, you can look at the source code here, https://github.com/omega8cc/nginx-for-drupal kollapse
[02:23:24]<sk33lz>strykaizer, I recall seeing an article on how to set it up locally before, don't have it handy
[02:23:32]<StryKaizer>k, I'll google a bit
[02:24:18]<joestewart>kollapse: Debian or Ubuntu only I think - http://drupalcode.org/project/barracuda.git/blob/refs/heads/master:/BARR...
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[03:49:51]<omega8cc>requirements for Barracuda are listed on project page: http://drupal.org/project/barracuda
[03:50:21]<omega8cc>kollapse: ^^
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[03:51:50]<omega8cc>it is using Debian/Ubuntu apt for most dependencies, and builds from sources only a few things
[03:53:51]<omega8cc>StryKaizer: you will find examples/howto of localhost/vm install in the issue queue on github https://github.com/omega8cc/nginx-for-drupal
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[03:54:34]<StryKaizer>oh, thx omega8cc
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[03:59:25]<jackbravo>omega8cc, and how about building a .deb like the apache installation of aegir?
[04:00:35]<omega8cc>jackbravo: just for provision/hostmaster running on Nginx?
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[04:03:54]<jackbravo>omega8cc, yup
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[04:05:53]<omega8cc>jackbravo: it is already easy to install provision + hostmaster for nginx manually, while debs will not provide php-fpm on older debian/ubuntu, while on newer systems it is already php-fpm 5.3, so not a good match either way
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[04:07:29]<jackbravo>omega8cc, hmmmm I see
[04:07:44]<jackbravo>omega8cc, and indeed the installation process is much easier now
[04:09:53]<mpearrow>if doing a manual install (rhel 5.4) - do I need to do anything manually to my apache config besides the symlink for /var/aegir/config/apache.conf ?
[04:10:08]<mpearrow>eg tell apache the docroot is /var/whatnot
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[04:11:43]<secretary_linux>does aegir log its attempts to process site creation items in the queue? i notice this one just keeps getting bumped further and further back in time
[04:11:52]<jamiemcclelland>is there a way to prevent aegir from rsync'ing certain directories when it verifies?
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[04:12:43]<jamiemcclelland>i'm getting errors when it tries to rsync over directories and files owned by www-data (permission denied when it tries to chgrp them).
[04:12:59]<jamiemcclelland>these are files created by civicrm in the files/civicrm/templates_c directory
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[04:14:28]<secretary_linux>so... no logs or anything?
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[04:15:30]<jamiemcclelland>secretary_linux: i'm not sure - but you could try looking in the hosting_tasks_log table
[04:15:42]<secretary_linux>heh yeah apparently aegir or someone changed the root mysql pw too
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[04:35:49]<secretary_linux>well, aside from "various configurations" like the docs say, what's the order of operations when aegir tries to process a site install queue item?
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[06:07:16]<hefring>community => Simple Script for Bulk Importing into a New Aegir Install => http://community.aegirproject.org/discuss/simple-script-bulk-importing-n...
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[06:25:07]<hefring>community => Drupal 7 Platform => http://community.aegirproject.org/discuss/drupal-7-platform
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[06:37:27]<mpearrow>(the answer to my question appears to be "no" - looks like it just works)
[06:38:11]* anarcat it's the scrum tonight!
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[07:45:16]* sfyn does not have enough electricity where he is to stay untill the scrum, so have a good one!
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[08:00:11]* anarcat SCRUM TIME!
[08:00:27]<j0nathan>hi
[08:00:35]<anarcat>darthsteven / mig5 / bgm / grugnog / joestewart / mvc / omega8cc / sethvincent / / sfyn / shrop : scrum time!
[08:00:35]<hefring>anarcat: 2 days 8 hours ago <mig5> tell anarcat I don't know if one can export. I am happy to copy-and-paste, can you make me an admin of the system when you get a chance
[08:00:38]<anarcat>hallo :)
[08:00:50]<anarcat>mig5: sure will!
[08:00:54]<anarcat>so i'll start by saying
[08:00:54]<omega8cc>hello!
[08:00:54]<hefring>que tal
[08:00:55]<anarcat>hi!
[08:00:55]<hefring>hola
[08:00:56]<anarcat>:)
[08:01:09]<anarcat>i've got a few thinsg to touch base on
[08:01:18]<anarcat>darthsteven: we need to talk about drupalcon
[08:01:31]<anarcat>darthsteven: we'd like to see if you could participate in the training
[08:01:40]<anarcat>also
[08:01:53]<anarcat>i'll be going to the drush code sprint in boston 27-28 of june
[08:02:04]<anarcat>and i'll probably be around boston during the weekend too for the design camp
[08:02:12]<anarcat>so if anybody wants to hang out or say hi
[08:02:13]<anarcat>hi :)
[08:02:18]<anarcat>what else
[08:02:35]<anarcat>i'll look in the sites security issues this week - the stuff about sites being visible by anonymous users
[08:02:50]<anarcat>i know that sfyn is working on the uc_hosting module real hard, and got a 1.0 release out (or almost)
[08:03:11]<anarcat>we're looking at creating a d7 ubercart frontend that could talk to the aegir backend using cmcintosh's services_api stuff
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[08:03:22]<anarcat>so i think that's it for me!
[08:03:33]<anarcat>deadline for drupalcon votes is tomorrow, please vote for our sessions!
[08:03:50]<anarcat>http://london2011.drupal.org/conference/proposed-sessions?track=All&expe...
[08:03:54]<anarcat>anyone else?
[08:04:38]<sethvincent>i will officially start coding for gsoc today!
[08:04:50]<anarcat>yaaay! :)
[08:04:57]<anarcat>sethvincent: so what do you need help on now?
[08:05:07]<sethvincent>i'll be getting started by making a branch in my snadbox to test out the relevant patches in the issue queue
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[08:05:24]<anarcat>cool
[08:05:34]<anarcat>take a look at this one, i think that's a key issue: http://drupal.org/node/517620
[08:06:11]<sethvincent>right, that seems like the main one i need to work with
[08:06:20]<anarcat>okay
[08:06:27]<anarcat>if you need any help, please do let me know
[08:06:53]<anarcat>sethvincent: anything else?
[08:06:54]<sethvincent>i figure once i start testing out patches, doing a test run through coder upgrade and such things i'll have a list of questions i could use help with
[08:06:55]<anarcat>anyone else?
[08:07:02]<anarcat>awesome
[08:07:02]<sethvincent>that's about it for me.
[08:07:05]<anarcat>sethvincent: ping me any time
[08:07:07]<anarcat>as an aside, if anybody hangs around the channel wants some training for aegir, please look at http://london2011.drupal.org/page/aegir-hosting-system-deep-dive
[08:07:09]<sethvincent>ok. thanks
[08:07:28]<anarcat>darthsteven / mig5 / josh_k / omega8cc / shrop : anything to add to our weekly scrum?
[08:07:54]<anarcat>i can add for myself that i will be reviewing the patch queue tomorrow and try to get some of those commits in, and who knows - get 1.2 out the door? :)
[08:07:59]<joestewart>I posted a couple of simple patches that should be easy to review.
[08:08:06]<josh_k>I am currently working a small side project to try and get universities to use aegir
[08:08:15]<anarcat>awesome!
[08:08:21]<anarcat>double-awesome! ;)
[08:08:22]<josh_k>if it works, it should mean more users and hopefully more support (of the good kind)
[08:08:26]<josh_k>:)
[08:08:29]<anarcat>great :)
[08:08:35]<anarcat>joestewart: thanks for the patches
[08:09:06]<anarcat>alright, anyone else?
[08:10:15]<anarcat>omega8cc: ?
[08:10:18]<anarcat>maybe?
[08:10:48]<omega8cc>not much this week, still working on new docs for aegir/nginx
[08:10:59]<omega8cc>plus some video maybe
[08:11:04]<anarcat>good
[08:11:56]<anarcat>alright
[08:12:05]<anarcat>so i think that does it for our scrum, thanks everyone for attending!
[08:12:20]<anarcat>if anyone has anything to add, i'll stick around another 3 minutes, but in the meantime i'll upload the log to the site
[08:12:21]<omega8cc>ciao
[08:12:25]<anarcat>hefring: log bookmark
[08:12:25]<hefring>http://hefring.mig5.net/bot/log/aegir/2011-05-24#T75564
[08:12:43]<omega8cc>I was about to do it :)
[08:13:01]<anarcat>ah damn :)
[08:13:06]<anarcat>sorry! :)
[08:13:11]<anarcat>next time you're it :)
[08:13:18]<omega8cc>ok :)
[08:15:12]<anarcat>alright, i'm gone, good night!
[08:15:54]<joestewart>anarcat: oh, yeah. drush folks were looking for some feedback - http://drupal.org/node/1166530
[08:17:00]<anarcat>yeah, i'll take a look
[08:17:05]<anarcat>we need to port aegir 2.x to drush 5...
[08:17:08]<anarcat>ciao
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[08:28:30]<mig5>bugger
[08:28:36]<mig5>wonder if i'll ever get to a scrum again..
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[08:34:09]<omega8cc>mig5: jetlag! relax :)
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[08:34:55]<omega8cc>mig5: or should we re-schedule the scrum maybe?
[08:36:25]<omega8cc>the UK and PL is perfectly between AU and CA, so one hour earlier or later doesn't make a big difference here, I guess
[08:38:13]<omega8cc>by the way, we *all* missed the scrum last week, if hefring is right
[08:39:18]<mig5>haha
[08:39:19]<AquaticDisorder>lol if a tree falls in the forest but no 1 is around to hear it!
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[08:41:38]<AquaticDisorder>seen as i caught u2 genius types plz answer this ?
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[08:42:10]<AquaticDisorder>when running aegir on my linode
[08:42:44]<AquaticDisorder>at aegir.example.com
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[08:43:13]<AquaticDisorder>how to stop others accessing prtty plz x
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[08:43:54]<kepford>AquaticDisorder: They should just see a login screen
[08:44:26]<omega8cc>AquaticDisorder: install http://drupal.org/project/securesite maybe to anonymize it completely
[08:44:49]<kepford>omega8cc: you beat me to the punch :)
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[08:45:28]<omega8cc>lol
[08:45:57]<AquaticDisorder>thnks, I just dont like the idea of some1 being able to keep trying diff psswds
[08:46:04]<omega8cc>kepford: in fact you recommended the same
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[08:47:02]<AquaticDisorder>u probly know linode has a nice feature which emails me a link if ip not in whitelist
[08:47:36]<kepford>Just set up a Linode server running aegir this week.
[08:47:44]<kepford>Like it so far
[08:48:16]<AquaticDisorder>kepford: lovin it lol
[08:48:47]<AquaticDisorder>i noticed login is via stnd http
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[08:49:34]<AquaticDisorder>omega8cc: we're not worthy!!!
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[08:51:52]<AquaticDisorder>omega8cc: u guys are amazin, love the work, nuff respect ;-)
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[08:52:41]<AquaticDisorder>kepford: do u know which linode feature I mean?
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[08:53:02]<kepford>np
[08:53:04]<kepford>no
[08:54:50]<AquaticDisorder>kepford: if im right when I try to login from a different ip it should email me a link to add that ip to whitelist
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[08:58:07]<AquaticDisorder>kepford: the secure site module does not suit, can this be used for aegir or just installed sites?
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[08:59:31]<kepford>AquaticDisorder: I've used it on sites managed by aegir but not the aegir hostmaster site. I'd say it would work.
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[08:59:52]<AquaticDisorder>kepford: my concern is should some1 come across aegir.example.com, how 2 prevent repeated login attempts to actuall aegir
[09:00:18]<kepford>strong password!
[09:00:51]<kepford>There are some security modules that will help with that. Never tried them though
[09:01:03]<AquaticDisorder>kepford: I'm a complete beginner so trying to keep simple as poss
[09:01:34]<kepford>Beginner with Aegir or Drupal? Both?
[09:02:21]<AquaticDisorder>gmail will produce captcha after about 3 failed login attempts, that would do for now
[09:04:14]<AquaticDisorder>is the community site a remote server, I dont understand properly wouldn't http://aegir.community.aegirproject.org/ resolve?
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[09:06:45]<AquaticDisorder>kepford: lol, everything, trying to pick up a standard administration process so I can build my site/s
[09:07:55]<kepford>How comfy are you with Linux Sysadmining?
[09:08:00]<AquaticDisorder>lovin everything open source, running kubuntu on pc for little while now, will never go back to windows lol!
[09:10:14]<AquaticDisorder>well only when ppl bring me their shoddy pc's to sort out :-( for em lol ,
[09:10:18]<AquaticDisorder>win7 pretty decent but not as fast and no cube desktop I mean come on thats essential to my success
[09:10:18]<kepford>How many sites are you planning to manage with Aegir?
[09:11:42]<AquaticDisorder>only 1 to start with, if that works out maybe 1 or 2 more
[09:11:50]<omega8cc>AquaticDisorder: restrict the access by IP to avoid login screen ever displayed to the world
[09:11:55]<kepford>I ask because it can be tough to get your head around if you aren't comfortable with Drupal and managing a server. You can manage a few sites without Aegir just fine
[09:12:53]<AquaticDisorder>omega8cc: my ip has changed before, would i then not be locked out?
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[09:13:16]<omega8cc>you need static IP to use this method
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[09:13:42]<kepford>If I were you, I'd look at Drush to start. Aegir uses drush for the backend provisioning of sites. You can do a lot with drush. Much easier to get up and going.
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[09:14:05]<omega8cc>Aegir is better even when you manage just one site
[09:14:21]<AquaticDisorder>kepford: i know how to use a makefile to build a platform
[09:14:24]<omega8cc>do you have an automatic rollback in Drush?
[09:15:24]<AquaticDisorder>am picking up git have a github account lol
[09:15:44]<kepford>omega8cc: Not that I'm aware of. Just saying drush coupled with Git can do a fine job managing a couple sites
[09:15:44]<AquaticDisorder>no turning back now!
[09:16:16]<kepford>I love aegir and use it a ton. I'm a total fanboy.
[09:17:03]<omega8cc>kepford: without Aegir you have only one option when using drush directly: "Pray it will not break the site"
[09:17:04]<kepford>I don't recommend it to every Drupaler I run across though. You need to be comfortable on the commandline and with Linux.
[09:17:30]<kepford>omega8cc: or deal with more downtime
[09:17:47]<omega8cc>I don't think it is an option ;)
[09:18:00]<AquaticDisorder>yh but when you check #drupal you find ppl have made changes and site is offline
[09:18:38]<kepford>AquaticDisorder: If you just want your aegir to work, you can get a hosted version of it from omega8cc. Heard a lot of good stuff about them :)
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[09:19:32]<kepford>I've come close to signing up a couple times omega8cc, but I like to fiddle with the server.
[09:19:47]<AquaticDisorder>I looked earlier some 1 had this prob and their most recent backup was feb
[09:20:02]<omega8cc>or use Barracuda on your Linode
[09:20:10]<omega8cc>kepford: thanks!
[09:22:05]<AquaticDisorder>I'm just getting to grips with everything, so trying to keep simple while understanding what I'm doing
[09:22:08]<kepford>omega8cc: I've never used Nginx. That really has been the deal with me not trying Barracuda. Tell me it's leaner and faster.
[09:22:34]<kepford>hey, me too AquaticDisorder
[09:23:38]<omega8cc>kepford: you don't need to even know that server name, just run Barracuda :)
[09:23:52]<kepford>No, I do.
[09:24:16]<kepford>I really do need to give it a whirl.
[09:25:04]<kepford>I serve small clients who can't afford a beefy vps. I'd like to run a leaner stack.
[09:26:26]<AquaticDisorder>I have come accross omega8cc work and posts etc intend to look more into it once i have a basic site up etc
[09:28:36]<AquaticDisorder>I have my linode set up with debian 6 and aegir , I have ssh keys setup and disallowed logins , firewall is setup and custom ssh port is open , happyish 4 now
[09:30:57]<AquaticDisorder>I'm not sure if denyhost works for ssh logins, probably you know omega8cc
[09:32:22]<kepford>AquaticDisorder: I would recommend a wicked long password for your Admin account for Aegir. I use 1Password. Check out LastPass. Whatever you do, use a strong and long password. Provided the password is strong enough, you won't have to worry about it being cracked.
[09:32:25]<kepford>IMHO
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[09:33:15]<AquaticDisorder>I think I might have to learn to setup port knocking to be satisfied not sure if there's anything else out there
[09:33:18]<omega8cc>AquaticDisorder: I could recommend to avoid too many levels of access restrictions, the firewall with some failtoban or csf should be enough, unless you are a Swiss Bank
[09:33:33]<AquaticDisorder>lmao
[09:33:43]<AquaticDisorder>or sony paystation
[09:33:53]<omega8cc>yeah
[09:34:36]<AquaticDisorder>u never know, some day !
[09:35:33]<AquaticDisorder>u guys are putting out some top notch tools to assist anyway thanks!
[09:37:12]<omega8cc>thanks
[09:39:50]<AquaticDisorder>no need to thank me I have read some of ur posts etc I know ur the bees knees im not gonna lie about it lol
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[09:41:43]<AquaticDisorder>omega8cc: I will defo be checking out ur stuff at some point but have to fit everything around work etc so limited time
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[09:42:55]<AquaticDisorder>omega8cc: I hope to earn a living out of drupal at some point, and then I can put more time into it etc
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[09:43:17]<omega8cc>AquaticDisorder: the feedback is always appreciated, and we have now the issue queue on d.o so it is easy to participate
[09:45:44]<kepford>Bye yall.
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[09:48:03]<AquaticDisorder>I'm going to use drupal 7 as i'm only just starting my project, I have php 5.3 installed, all seems ok for aegir works etc
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