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| [17:44:24] | <JackeyChan> | hi, how to use aegir?? |
| [17:44:33] | <JackeyChan> | i know it's a stupid question |
| [17:46:02] | <JackeyChan> | Oops! This link appears to be broken. my eagir |
| [17:46:14] | <JackeyChan> | how to reinstall aegir ? |
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| [17:49:14] | <JackeyChan> | restart aegir |
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| [18:33:18] | <mig5> | http://community.aegirproject.org/uninstalling |
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| [18:42:22] | <JackeyChan> | who catch problem with aegir, the aegir server is broken and can not access anymore. the message is : Not Found |
| [18:42:23] | <JackeyChan> | The requested URL / was not found on this server. |
| [18:43:50] | <JackeyChan> | oh, sorry. maybe aegir vhost can not be indentity by apache |
| [18:46:53] | <JackeyChan> | Oh, it is ok now |
| [18:47:10] | <JackeyChan> | :) |
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| [21:49:24] | <noecc> | mig5: Good info in the aegir upgrade post. It needs a small change: 'Afteward' in the 2nd to last paragraph. |
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| [00:51:29] | <cnovick> | Ping #aegir -While attempting to configure a remote server connection I have encountered the following error: Dummy connection failed to fail: Permission denied (publickey,password). |
| [00:52:44] | <cnovick> | Have sucessfully verified remote server and platform, but when get the error when creating a site and verifying it on the platform |
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| [00:54:24] | <cnovick> | Can anyone point me in the right direction to resolve this?? |
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| [00:56:00] | <adrinux> | can you connect manually as the same users? it does point to a lack of ssh key being present cnovick |
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| [00:58:59] | <cnovick> | will test, brb |
| [01:02:15] | <noecc> | cnovick: http://community.aegirproject.org/node/242#comment-150 |
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| [01:03:51] | <joestewart> | cnovick: The reference doc for setting up a remote server is http://community.aegirproject.org/node/30 in particular the ssh keys section. |
| [01:04:08] | <cnovick> | have seen that link noecc, and I can login manually |
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| [01:05:01] | <cnovick> | Using Barracuda script |
| [01:05:16] | <joestewart> | cnovick: recommend any improvements needed. It looked to me it needed to be clear about su to aegir user between "Login Shell" and "SSH keys" |
| [01:05:17] | <cnovick> | to conigure server |
| [01:06:40] | <joestewart> | ah, I haven't done any remotes with it, just regular setup |
| [01:07:04] | <cnovick> | K, that is the problem, remote |
| [01:07:44] | <cnovick> | and I skipped the part of those instructions that referenced apache |
| [01:08:00] | <cnovick> | because nginx is part of Barracuda |
| [01:09:43] | <cnovick> | I am going to add ssh keys now, follow instructions that are not specific to apache and see if that changes |
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| [01:10:52] | <cnovick> | Thank you joestewart, noecc and adrinux |
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| [01:52:50] | <kepford> | Probably a dumb question. Still gonna ask though. On my latest install of Aegir under my servers I see two listed. One is my server name "jack". The other is localhost. Why do I have two servers and does that present a problem. Should I delete one of them? |
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| [01:57:37] | <julienm> | kepford, one probably has public ip address and the other is just local. |
| [01:58:16] | <kepford> | yes julienm that is what I thought. But, I've not seen this on other aegir installs. |
| [01:59:45] | <julienm> | This shouldn't be a problem. |
| [02:00:34] | <julienm> | Aegir is actually quite sensitive to the consistancy of hosts files. |
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| [02:00:56] | <julienm> | If they are described in a consistant way everywhere things will go smooth. |
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| [02:01:27] | <julienm> | I have aegir running on intranet as a master server and it is also using 2 slaves. |
| [02:01:37] | <julienm> | one of the slaves is the prod. |
| [02:01:47] | <julienm> | So far things are ok. |
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| [02:02:01] | <julienm> | And I also have the structure you have mentionned. |
| [02:02:45] | <julienm> | Next step will to habe multisite sharing most of tables of a single database. I expect problems. |
| [02:04:45] | <darthsteven> | kepford: two servers listed is absolutely fine, and is how Aegir is set up by default |
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| [02:05:28] | <darthsteven> | julienm: that's not going to work with Aegir out of the box, since each site get's it's own DB and DB user with access to just that DB |
| [02:07:13] | <kepford> | Thanks darthsteven Thanks for the confirmation. |
| [02:07:14] | <julienm> | darthsteven, that's what I was expecting. Actually I'm in studying process. I'm making (at this moment) an install of shared db multisites all by hand. Then I'll give a try to a the domain access module. |
| [02:07:41] | <darthsteven> | julienm: have fun with that :) |
| [02:07:52] | <julienm> | I've never tried that so i have no idea yet. What you say is that this precise module might be incompatible with aegir right ? |
| [02:08:47] | <julienm> | All of that is nice, it is showing that there is plenty of space for nice future developments. |
| [02:08:55] | <darthsteven> | julienm: sharing DB tables is not compatible with Aegir afaik |
| [02:09:18] | <julienm> | afaik = ? |
| [02:09:30] | <darthsteven> | as far as I know |
| [02:09:30] | <julienm> | as far as i know. |
| [02:10:29] | <julienm> | So that is a feature to integrate in aegir in the future. I have 6 months to develop that. |
| [02:11:42] | <julienm> | I'm paid to make an arch of n sites working together at sharing content types, views, settings and some nodes. |
| [02:13:38] | <darthsteven> | julienm: it's totally doable, you'd just need to get familiar with some Aegir internals that's all |
| [02:13:44] | <julienm> | I would be nice to get aegir work with that structure at the end. |
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| [02:15:54] | <julienm> | The platform will of course be the same, the server also. I have to dig in the internals of sites creation , cloning, migration. |
| [02:16:02] | <julienm> | The track is quite clear actually. |
| [02:17:52] | <julienm> | But definitely not for newbies at this stage. |
| [02:18:47] | <julienm> | Are you part of the core team developing aegir darthsteven ? |
| [02:19:55] | <darthsteven> | julienm: yup |
| [02:19:58] | <darthsteven> | maintainers? |
| [02:20:42] | <darthsteven> | hefring: maintainers is <reply>Details of Aegir's maintainers and contributors can be found here: http://community.aegirproject.org/maintainers |
| [02:20:42] | <hefring> | darthsteven: Okay. |
| [02:20:47] | <darthsteven> | maintainers? |
| [02:20:47] | <hefring> | Details of Aegir's maintainers and contributors can be found here: http://community.aegirproject.org/maintainers |
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| [02:21:37] | <darthsteven> | hefring: two servers is <reply>Two servers listed in the frontend after install: http://community.aegirproject.org/faq#twoservers |
| [02:21:37] | <hefring> | darthsteven: Okay. |
| [02:21:40] | <darthsteven> | two servers? |
| [02:21:40] | <hefring> | Two servers listed in the frontend after install: http://community.aegirproject.org/faq#twoservers |
| [02:22:21] | <darthsteven> | hefring: two servers is <reply>Two servers listed in the frontend after installing Aegir? This is fine! See: http://community.aegirproject.org/faq#twoservers |
| [02:22:21] | <hefring> | darthsteven: Okay. |
| [02:22:24] | <darthsteven> | two servers? |
| [02:22:24] | <hefring> | Two servers listed in the frontend after installing Aegir? This is fine! See: http://community.aegirproject.org/faq#twoservers |
| [02:22:34] | <darthsteven> | awesome |
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| [02:36:26] | <julienm> | darthsteven, were you programming the bot hefring from here ? |
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| [02:40:33] | <darthsteven> | julienm: I was |
| [02:41:45] | <julienm> | That's cool stuff. |
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| [02:45:32] | <darthsteven> | We've been asked that question about two servers so often...it deserves a shortcut |
| [02:50:18] | <julienm> | I have a question about an issue when DNS management is enabled. |
| [02:50:56] | <julienm> | The context is that we run a DNS server on the master site on the intranet. |
| [02:51:35] | <julienm> | The router is configured to make everybody's computer take in consideration that DNS server in their network settings. |
| [02:53:12] | <julienm> | We have Linux clients, osX, windows XP and 7. So far there are some issues with win. They can be fixed for XP, but the same fix doesn't work on 7. The problem happens if we give a domain.com name for the dev site. |
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| [02:53:39] | <julienm> | It is not fixable on 7. If we name the site only domain it will be ok. |
| [02:54:05] | <julienm> | I don't think I'm the single to have faced that but I didn't find anything regarding this problem. |
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| [04:47:54] | <kepford> | anyone know how to enable the apache service on a aegir server from drush/commandline. Just screwed up and disabled apache in the aegir front end. |
| [04:48:29] | <kepford> | Guess I could modify the node in the db and run verify |
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| [05:07:16] | <ghankstef> | kepford: apachectl restart ? |
| [05:07:21] | <ghankstef> | or apache2ctl |
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| [05:10:34] | <kepford> | ghankstef I screwed up and disabled the apache service on the hostname server. They were like this http://www.cl.ly/2N0g3210361q1S1z4638 |
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| [05:11:25] | <ghankstef> | oh its on the remote server? don't know what to suggest except ssh to the server and run apachectl start |
| [05:11:43] | <kepford> | no, I don't have a remote server |
| [05:12:09] | <ghankstef> | then just apachectl start |
| [05:12:21] | <ghankstef> | maybe I have misunderstood |
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| [05:14:22] | <kepford> | Apache is running. |
| [05:15:06] | <kepford> | None of my sites under aegir are being served though. Becuase I disabled the apache service in aegir |
| [05:16:02] | <ghankstef> | I see |
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| [05:17:18] | <ghankstef> | kepford: can you go to admin/content/node a find nodes of type server and edit there? |
| [05:17:29] | <kepford> | I need to enable the apache service on my <inserthostname> aegir server from the commandline. |
| [05:17:43] | <kepford> | I cannot reach the hostmaster through a browser |
| [05:18:59] | <ghankstef> | guess I am at a loss to help then sorry |
| [05:19:12] | <kepford> | No worries, thanks for trying |
| [05:19:58] | <kepford> | I need to edit the server node in the db and then verify that server. Trying to find the right table |
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| [05:38:38] | <ghankstef> | any suggestions on debugging install profiles with aegir its not like you can just d o var_dump($something) |
| [05:38:47] | <ghankstef> | maybe that's the answer |
| [05:38:53] | <ghankstef> | do it w/o aegir first |
| [05:39:05] | <ghankstef> | then i can var_dump($something) |
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| [05:52:19] | <kepford> | ghankstef: FYI. I got it working again. |
| [05:53:16] | <ghankstef> | cool via db? |
| [05:53:24] | <kepford> | Changed the values on the server nodes via mysql and ran provision-verify on the server |
| [05:54:20] | <kepford> | Well, not really cool. I made a stupid mistake. Thanks for trying to help though. |
| [05:55:23] | <ghankstef> | np |
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| [07:58:02] | <Vertice> | hey kids |
| [07:58:04] | <Vertice> | =) |
| [07:59:10] | <anarcat> | heey Vertice what's up with you |
| [07:59:21] | <Vertice> | nothing much =) |
| [07:59:34] | <Vertice> | just thought i'd pop in and see how you guys are doing |
| [07:59:57] | <AquaticDisorder> | kepford: hello again, hows it going? |
| [08:00:09] | <Vertice> | heh. nice - http://london2011.drupal.org/conference/sessions/aegir-based-business-mo... |
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| [08:02:27] | <EclipseGc> | hey Vertice |
| [08:02:30] | <EclipseGc> | how's it going? |
| [08:02:37] | <Vertice> | pretty good |
| [08:02:45] | <Vertice> | have lots of fun in node.js land |
| [08:02:47] | <Vertice> | having |
| [08:03:03] | <EclipseGc> | Vertice: glad to hear it |
| [08:03:09] | <EclipseGc> | Vertice: playing with steven's termkit at all yet? |
| [08:03:20] | <Vertice> | i am actually installing it as we speak |
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| [08:03:22] | <Vertice> | =) |
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| [08:03:37] | <EclipseGc> | Vertice: awesome |
| [08:04:00] | <EclipseGc> | Vertice: I saw his demo, stopped everything I was doing, learned enough about node.js to get it installed and running |
| [08:04:04] | <EclipseGc> | and then got it running |
| [08:04:05] | <EclipseGc> | lol |
| [08:04:24] | <EclipseGc> | and then I went and found that song he had playing in the background of the demo |
| [08:04:40] | <EclipseGc> | Vertice: trying to establish a #termkit channel by just being there full time |
| [08:04:47] | <EclipseGc> | Vertice: steven drops in occasionally |
| [08:04:51] | <Vertice> | hahaha |
| [08:04:56] | <Vertice> | you do like the shiny =) |
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| [08:05:10] | <Vertice> | i love how node.js makes this shit not only possible, but FUN |
| [08:05:15] | <EclipseGc> | heh |
| [08:05:43] | <EclipseGc> | yeah, I find myself constantly trying to do something pretty and elegant at the same time |
| [08:05:56] | <EclipseGc> | Vertice: somehow that ended up landing me co-maintainership of ctools |
| [08:06:06] | <Vertice> | haha |
| [08:06:09] | <Vertice> | did you guys see this - |
| [08:06:13] | <Vertice> | https://twitter.com/#!/drupaldouche/status/73816564935294976 |
| [08:06:27] | <EclipseGc> | lol |
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| [08:08:35] | <EclipseGc> | Vertice: yeah, his one about context and plugins as topics to avoid in polite company is pretty spot on right now too |
| [08:08:52] | <EclipseGc> | knock down drag out thread |
| [08:09:01] | <Vertice> | i wouldnt know. |
| [08:09:04] | <Vertice> | my life is drama free |
| [08:09:05] | <Vertice> | =) |
| [08:09:07] | <anarcat> | what got my attention is the duke nukem forever announcement though |
| [08:09:34] | <Vertice> | yeah man |
| [08:09:36] | <Vertice> | 15 years |
| [08:09:50] | <Vertice> | that's later than drupal 7 AND drupal 4.7 .. put together! |
| [08:09:59] | <Vertice> | (and then another 10 years on top of that) |
| [08:10:47] | <EclipseGc> | that's later than Drupal 3-7 put together |
| [08:10:52] | <EclipseGc> | ;-) |
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| [08:11:19] | <EclipseGc> | Vertice: well drama free++ |
| [08:11:40] | <Vertice> | yeah. |
| [08:11:43] | <EclipseGc> | but I'll be damned if plugins are going into D8 crippled |
| [08:11:44] | <anarcat> | i can't quite believe it |
| [08:11:48] | <Vertice> | you guys seem to be going from strength to strength |
| [08:11:57] | <anarcat> | 1.x is going well |
| [08:11:57] | <Vertice> | how are plugins different from modules ? |
| [08:11:58] | <Vertice> | =) |
| [08:12:07] | * anarcat is not up to speed to wtf plugins are |
| [08:12:10] | <Vertice> | we actually have aegirt presentations at drupalcon it seems |
| [08:12:20] | <anarcat> | it seems like we'll have at least *two* this time |
| [08:12:23] | <anarcat> | it's insane |
| [08:12:26] | <EclipseGc> | so, think in terms of hooks for a second |
| [08:12:27] | <anarcat> | oh and we're giving out trainings |
| [08:12:27] | <Vertice> | you know we used to make fun of joomla for having plugins and modules and widgets |
| [08:12:34] | <EclipseGc> | I have a hook, (hook_menu for example) |
| [08:12:58] | <EclipseGc> | Vertice: it asks ALL modules "Hey, I'm getting a new cache for menu, do you want to add anything?" |
| [08:13:08] | <EclipseGc> | and modules return accordingly |
| [08:13:27] | <EclipseGc> | then the menu system has to know what to do with each of the parameters etc etc in the arrays that are returned |
| [08:13:33] | <anarcat> | i am somewhat familiars with drupal hooks, yes :P |
| [08:13:34] | <Vertice> | weeeelll.. joomla seems to be real healthy these days - http://docs.joomla.org/Module_Management |
| [08:13:59] | <anarcat> | wtf |
| [08:14:24] | <anarcat> | i don't get this thing about drupal plugins |
| [08:14:39] | <anarcat> | 18:11:43 <+EclipseGc> but I'll be damned if plugins are going into D8 crippled |
| [08:14:48] | <EclipseGc> | within plugins, we actually have a discovery mechanism where the same system can find plugins of any type from any provider (providers are the modules that know what to do with plugins of a particular type) |
| [08:15:02] | <anarcat> | Vertice: one thing th's *not* moving as fast as I'd like is actual 2.x development |
| [08:15:22] | <Vertice> | sure |
| [08:15:24] | <anarcat> | EclipseGc: how's that different from hooks? |
| [08:15:29] | <Vertice> | but there was alwasy going to be a lull |
| [08:15:32] | <EclipseGc> | anarcat: well, that's just discovery |
| [08:15:54] | <Vertice> | have you guys heard of semantic versioning ? |
| [08:16:06] | <EclipseGc> | anarcat: from there when we ask a question, we can ask the specific plugins we care about, instead of sifting through every module's responses |
| [08:16:11] | <Vertice> | http://semver.org/ |
| [08:16:27] | <EclipseGc> | anarcat: I like to say "hooks are implicit, plugins are explicit" |
| [08:16:33] | <Vertice> | EclipseGc: you mean it's a listener pattern ? |
| [08:16:34] | <anarcat> | EclipseGc: it's a hook registry, basically? |
| [08:16:44] | <Vertice> | observer |
| [08:16:48] | <EclipseGc> | anarcat: so with a hook, you get everything, with plugins, you only get what you ask for |
| [08:17:11] | <Vertice> | i was actually thinking of you guys today |
| [08:17:16] | <anarcat> | you can always module_invoke only the module you want, no? |
| [08:17:27] | <Vertice> | cleaning up my hard drive and deciding wether or not to delete my aegir project folder |
| [08:17:36] | <EclipseGc> | Vertice: forgive me, I'm not really familiar with what most patterns are... I'm just a humble graphics guy who's been learning to program for years now :-) |
| [08:17:37] | <Vertice> | it's safe, for now. for sentimental reasons |
| [08:17:53] | <Vertice> | even if it's still git.aegirproject.org =) |
| [08:17:59] | <anarcat> | semver seems interesting |
| [08:18:24] | <Vertice> | que : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6Ia2Hd_IvM |
| [08:18:31] | <anarcat> | EclipseGc: do you have a url for that plugins stuff? i'm curious... |
| [08:18:37] | <anarcat> | oh and scared too |
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| [08:18:58] | <Vertice> | thinks already have plugins, we just called them handlers. no ? |
| [08:19:09] | <EclipseGc> | anarcat: you want to see the repo that's being worked on for core? |
| [08:19:12] | <anarcat> | hehe that song :) |
| [08:19:20] | <EclipseGc> | anarcat: or you want to see practical stuff that's happening in contrib today? |
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| [08:19:40] | <anarcat> | oh the drama |
| [08:19:48] | <anarcat> | EclipseGc: i dunno whatever :) |
| [08:20:02] | <EclipseGc> | anarcat: ok, will grab |
| [08:20:10] | <EclipseGc> | anarcat: but, as far as your module_invoke question |
| [08:20:21] | <EclipseGc> | anarcat: a plugin is actually more like an object |
| [08:20:55] | <EclipseGc> | anarcat: a single plugin can have many methods that we're routed to through a common naming convention (naming convention in the plugin definition, not naming convention in the method's name) |
| [08:21:11] | <EclipseGc> | anarcat: also, plugins can be OO or procedural |
| [08:21:49] | <EclipseGc> | anarcat: so... neclimdul's sandbox for D8 is http://drupal.org/sandbox/neclimdul/1112184 |
| [08:21:54] | <anarcat> | Vertice: interesting - semver.org seems to be what I was intuitively doing so far... |
| [08:22:05] | <EclipseGc> | anarcat: and obviously ctools is the repository for anything practical that exists today |
| [08:23:16] | <Vertice> | anarcat: precisely |
| [08:23:34] | <anarcat> | although i don't use patch numbers |
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| [08:25:09] | <Vertice> | eheh "version promiscuity" |
| [08:25:21] | <Vertice> | but anyway, you shouldnt be too much in a hurry for 2.0 |
| [08:25:28] | <Vertice> | focus on getting it RIGHT |
| [08:25:36] | <Vertice> | and let people build with 1.x for now |
| [08:26:21] | <anarcat> | yeah |
| [08:26:27] | <anarcat> | i was thinking of pushing back actually |
| [08:26:31] | <anarcat> | make 2.x be d7 |
| [08:26:35] | <anarcat> | and then 3.x a rearchitecture |
| [08:26:40] | <anarcat> | because that's our requirement right now anyways |
| [08:26:54] | <Vertice> | sure |
| [08:26:58] | <Vertice> | d7 is an api change |
| [08:27:09] | <anarcat> | and a major one too :) |
| [08:27:13] | <anarcat> | we're deprecating a ton of stuff |
| [08:27:19] | <anarcat> | and we need to play catchup with drush 5 anyways |
| [08:27:20] | <Vertice> | such as ? |
| [08:27:25] | <anarcat> | well not a ton |
| [08:27:32] | <anarcat> | but a few unused functions we found lying around |
| [08:27:50] | <Vertice> | ive been working with client side applications |
| [08:28:17] | <Vertice> | ie: the mvc code is shared between the browser and the backend |
| [08:28:30] | <Vertice> | and the server pushes the templates, models , everything to the server |
| [08:28:40] | <Vertice> | and they run completely disconnected, all rendering happening on the client |
| [08:28:55] | <Vertice> | and communication through REST api endpoints and/or web sockets |
| [08:29:14] | <anarcat> | nice |
| [08:29:18] | <Vertice> | yeah |
| [08:29:36] | <Vertice> | i feel like i am in monty python's AND NOW FOR SOMETHING, COMPLETELY DIFFERENT |
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| [08:30:40] | <Vertice> | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vkw2DdoskPY&t=20s |
| [08:31:55] | <anarcat> | hehe |
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| [08:34:37] | <EclipseGc> | Vertice: bones? |
| [08:34:42] | <Vertice> | yeah |
| [08:34:44] | <EclipseGc> | Vertice: or are you describing something else |
| [08:34:45] | <EclipseGc> | ahh ok |
| [08:34:51] | * EclipseGc tries to keep up with the DS folk |
| [08:34:55] | <Vertice> | awww |
| [08:34:59] | <anarcat> | those guys are insane :) |
| [08:35:09] | <Vertice> | we've run out of github private accounts. |
| [08:35:13] | <Vertice> | two or three times |
| [08:35:46] | <anarcat> | you guys need a gitorious install :) |
| [08:36:09] | <anarcat> | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdYPoRsNUxM&NR=1 |
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| [09:31:11] | <mig5> | thanks noecc |
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