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| [20:07:04] | <mig5> | just did an upgrade of aegir 0.3 to aegir 1.1 |
| [20:07:06] | <mig5> | incredibly, no errors... |
| [20:07:17] | <mig5> | i thought it was broken from pre 0.4-alpha8 :) |
| [20:08:05] | <mig5> | maybe something different in alpha8 that breaks it later.. |
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| [20:33:39] | <dagomar> | I'm having a problem with importing a site into a new platform. I get "Deprecated function: Call-time pass-by-reference has been deprecated in drupal_load" error. Is there any way that I can figure out where the offensive module is? |
| [20:34:25] | <dagomar> | basically I made a copy of the codebase, used that as a platform and let aegir find the site automatically |
| [20:34:56] | <dagomar> | it worked in the past |
| [20:35:02] | <mig5> | a quick google shows me a number of modules that are reported to do that |
| [20:35:07] | <mig5> | drupal 6 or 7? |
| [20:35:17] | <dagomar> | drupal 7 |
| [20:35:35] | <mig5> | i see a ticket about Exif on drupal 7, could that be it? |
| [20:36:08] | <dagomar> | yeah, i found that a lot of modules have the problem, and i am just asking here now to see if there may be a way to see which module is generating the issue on bootstrap |
| [20:36:24] | <mig5> | not that I know of |
| [20:36:29] | <mig5> | bit of trial and error I'm afraid |
| [20:36:43] | <dagomar> | exif isnt installed :) |
| [20:36:58] | <dagomar> | its quite a big site so that.. sucks :D |
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| [20:38:08] | <dagomar> | is there a way to get more debugging info? I tried from the commandline using 'debug' but that gave me the same ammount of info |
| [20:38:22] | <dagomar> | which isnt too helpful |
| [20:44:19] | <mig5> | not unless you know any secrets about Drush that I don't |
| [20:44:55] | <mig5> | you can use dlm() as a sort of print_r() in the drush components but i guess you need to know what to dump |
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| [20:46:20] | <mig5> | seeing the full task log with --debug might help at least to see *where* it's erroring out |
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| [20:51:56] | <dagomar> | well, i think i am the luckiest person on earth. I found the module, which was the third one in the modules folder! I replaced all occurences of &$ with $ and it just worked! |
| [20:52:22] | <dagomar> | (it was collapse_text module) |
| [20:55:57] | <mig5> | win |
| [20:57:01] | <dagomar> | thanks for the help :) |
| [20:57:24] | <mig5> | i didn't help! i'm glad you found it, should write a blog post and tag it aegir :) |
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| [20:58:29] | <mig5> | maybe we need a wiki page |
| [20:58:42] | <mig5> | 'modules known to bork aegir on install/upgrade/import' |
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| [21:14:31] | <mig5> | so there's a fun thing, we don't support ipv6 :) |
| [21:14:51] | <mig5> | let alone running an ssl site on ipv4 and ipv6 simultaneously.. |
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| [21:31:26] | <mig5> | we should really just use filter_var and FILTER_VALIDATE_IP in _hosting_valid_ip.. why don't we? |
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| [22:29:42] | <shrop> | Any suggestions on platform publish path naming standards? Do you add build numbers to them? |
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| [22:31:15] | <shrop> | Here is some docs related to Aegir build and platform naming standards. https://gist.github.com/1012142 |
| [22:32:02] | <shrop> | I am wondering if I am going to cause an issue not having some build number that would correspond to a git tab |
| [22:34:24] | <mig5> | shrop: i use 'platformname_build_20110607' or sometimes I drop the _build_. And I use the /var/aegir/builds as written there (I might've coined that ? :) ) |
| [22:34:50] | <mig5> | sometimes i add a digit to the build date in case i build multiple times a day. eg 2011060701. in this respect i treat it like the serial number in a dns zone file |
| [22:35:09] | <mig5> | a git tag sounds smarter :) |
| [22:35:19] | <shrop> | mig5: I think I may have taken some of your thoughts on that from a previous post.. can't remember if your blog or on the oommunity site.. this helps though. thanks! |
| [22:35:55] | <shrop> | yeah.. I use dates as git tags sometimes when I don't need version numbers. ex: release-20110607 |
| [22:37:04] | <dagomar> | i always use the date, but I'm still not using git :'( |
| [22:37:21] | <dagomar> | should probably do that soon |
| [22:37:24] | <dagomar> | learn :) |
| [22:37:52] | <dagomar> | i was already extremely happy i got aegir to run |
| [22:38:01] | <shrop> | dagomar and mig5: thanks much! This helps as I iron out some procedures for our team to follow.. yeah. we are all trying to force ourselves to use git here as we can.. |
| [22:39:47] | <dagomar> | I found this today: http://sixrevisions.com/resources/git-tutorials-beginners/ I'm gonna start soon. I dont know weher to start, features, git, makefiles etc etc |
| [22:41:23] | <shrop> | great git resource. That covers many of the sites I have been relying on for learning. |
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| [00:10:47] | <joestewart> | shrop: good stuff. We've been append mmdd without the year. And rarely have added -n for multiple per day. I have been referencing gitweb urls as it is easy to get separate branches and tags. But will think about the builds directory working copy. I noticed mig5 uses the .build file extension too. |
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| [00:21:18] | <joestewart> | shrop: Also I usually don't use a "friendly" platform but instead the same as the directory name. Props to Dane Powell for http://drupal.org/project/hosting_platform_pathauto as I now only enter this once. |
| [00:23:28] | <dagomar> | Another issue has arisen with my migration adventure. Migration failed at first because I changed where the modules where located (went from modules to modules/contrib). So, i put views and media back directly in the modules folder. And that worked! BUT now I would like to move views and media back to the contrib folder; that results in an internal server error and site verify errors for aegir... :'( |
| [00:24:09] | <dagomar> | can i change the path in the system table directly? |
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| [00:26:28] | <adrinux> | dagomar why don't you remove the platform from aegir, move the modules and then re add it? |
| [00:27:16] | <dagomar> | lol i spend like 4 hours getting the platform and migration done, let me get over the shock of that suggestion for a moment :D |
| [00:28:03] | <dagomar> | if i would remove the platform, wouldn't that delete the site i just installed? |
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| [00:29:01] | <adrinux> | dagomar: sorry, my brain is fuzzy today |
| [00:29:33] | <dagomar> | don't worry, it's probably the heat ;) I had an interesting day myself figuring all this out |
| [00:29:35] | <adrinux> | yes…I suppose you need to set up the site outside of aefir |
| [00:29:45] | <adrinux> | aegir even |
| [00:30:12] | <adrinux> | dagomar: so just moving the modules and reverifying doesn't work? |
| [00:30:24] | <dagomar> | at one point i accidentaly typed : "mv media/ contrib media/" and I deleted the whole contrib folder with all my presiously downloaden modules in it (no makefile of course) |
| [00:30:58] | <dagomar> | no, moving the folders doesnt work, i cand do drush cc or verify |
| [00:31:05] | <dagomar> | it will just throw errors |
| [00:31:18] | <dagomar> | untill i move the folders back and reverify |
| [00:31:31] | <dagomar> | its not really a very big issue, just annoying really |
| [00:31:35] | <adrinux> | what errors? |
| [00:31:47] | <dagomar> | it can't find a file for inclusion |
| [00:32:09] | <dagomar> | Error: require_once(): Failed opening required '/var/www/drupal/drupal-7.2/drupal-7.2/sites/all/modules/media_youtube/includes/MediaYouTubeStreamWrapper.inc' (include_path='.:/usr/share/php:/usr/share/pear') in /var/www/drupal/drupal-7.2/drupal-7.2/includes/bootstrap.inc, line 2702 |
| [00:33:03] | <adrinux> | and thats not something simple like a file permissions issue with the moved modules? |
| [00:33:05] | <dagomar> | that was from a drush cc, but when i verify the site it gives that same error |
| [00:33:23] | <dagomar> | i am moving the modules around as aegir user |
| [00:33:49] | <dagomar> | so i cant imagine that being the problem |
| [00:35:01] | <adrinux> | in the past when I've had upgrade issues with some modules I've removed those modules, done the migration and then put the modules back and run upgrade manually. this seems similar |
| [00:35:18] | <dagomar> | yeah, i think so as well |
| [00:35:47] | <adrinux> | what about removing the modules, verifying the platform, then putting them back in a new location and verifying again? |
| [00:36:23] | <dagomar> | one of the modules is views, would I lose all my settings if i do that? |
| [00:36:26] | <adrinux> | Drupal 7 may be more pernickety I suppose |
| [00:36:49] | <adrinux> | no, only lose settings if you uninstall (which removes db tables) |
| [00:36:57] | <adrinux> | but backup first :) |
| [00:37:07] | <dagomar> | hehe yeah ;) |
| [00:37:18] | <dagomar> | lemme think, i think i'll work something out |
| [00:37:33] | <dagomar> | thanks for the suggestions |
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| [00:41:46] | <dagomar> | oh dear |
| [00:41:50] | <dagomar> | i think i just managed |
| [00:43:11] | <dagomar> | its verifying, but i saw drush working and changing stuff |
| [00:43:53] | <dagomar> | i made a copy of the module folders so it was both in modules and modules/contrib. Then I did drush cc |
| [00:44:37] | <dagomar> | ok lol, that didnt help :) |
| [00:51:34] | <adrinux> | lol |
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| [00:55:59] | <dagomar> | except that views has moved now, so thats not so bad, only media and media_youtube are still whining :) |
| [01:01:41] | <dagomar> | oh gosh it worked! |
| [01:01:54] | <dagomar> | only now i have no idea what i did :D |
| [01:03:01] | <dagomar> | i duplicated the module folders - drush cc - verify site, i delete the offending folders - drush cc - verify |
| [01:05:07] | <dagomar> | adrinux: thanks! |
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| [01:07:25] | <adrinux> | glad to have (possibly) helped :) |
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| [01:08:07] | <darthsteven> | So, we have a an Aegir site that has 15GB of files, it's on a remote server, so syncing to the master takes a little while...any ideas for speeding things up? Symlink in the files dir? |
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| [01:11:41] | <adrinux> | haven't tackled that yet personally darthsteven, but yeah, symlink and rsync to take files out of aegir is the usual suggestion iirc |
| [01:15:35] | <darthsteven> | adrinux: any ideas on what I need to symlink? |
| [01:17:29] | <adrinux> | afaik entire /files though I suppose you could also do it with a part of files… |
| [01:17:56] | <darthsteven> | will that work with the rsync to a remote server/ |
| [01:17:57] | <darthsteven> | ? |
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| [01:30:16] | <amateescu> | darthsteven: ping |
| [01:30:37] | <darthsteven> | amateescu: pong! |
| [01:30:54] | <amateescu> | darthsteven: what do you think about this: http://drupal.org/node/1179888 ? :) |
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| [01:33:58] | <darthsteven> | amateescu: hmm...I guess so, we already manipulate data little, so I guess so |
| [01:34:18] | <amateescu> | great :) |
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| [02:03:15] | <shrop> | joestewart: Just caught up a bit. Thanks for the info! |
| [02:03:33] | <shrop> | Pathauto looks like a great idea for naming in Aegir! |
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| [02:45:16] | <michaelfavia> | im testing a migration form d6 to d7 i have symlinked the files directry to outside the "sites" so all of my files dont get copied on migrate but id liek to use "clone" so i dont have to reimport the "original" site everytime. |
| [02:45:22] | <michaelfavia> | is there a good workflow for this? |
| [02:45:58] | <michaelfavia> | as far as i can tell "clone" is copying the source files out of the symlinked files dir |
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| [04:40:35] | <joestewart> | obrienmd: Do you have something to post for supporting both redirects and aliases? http://drupal.org/node/815190 I'd like to help test. |
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| [05:55:18] | <vpavpa> | hello room :) |
| [05:57:09] | <vpavpa> | i have a question; it's really no big deal but it's tingling me. I can't use "su - aegir" nor "su aegir" to switch user to aegir. |
| [05:57:13] | <vpavpa> | I have to user "su - s /bin/bash aegir" otherwise it's just not changing user. |
| [05:57:17] | <vpavpa> | Why is this? |
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| [06:33:09] | <jamiemcc> | is there a hook/method for using an alternate http/apache_ssl/vhost_ssl.tpl.php file? |
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| [07:23:07] | <Layke> | I asked the other night.. just want to repeat incase anyone can help now. Does anyone have an install profile for cloning sites? I want to do a SQL import as an install profile so I can clone sites easily without doing the hard work of an install profile. |
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| [07:34:57] | <mig5> | Layke: you realise Aegir has a 'Clone' feature itself, right? you can just clone sites from the frontend, no need to do funny business in your install profile.. |
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| [07:38:56] | <Layke> | mig5. No I didn't. |
| [07:38:59] | <Layke> | I'm an idiot. |
| [07:39:04] | <Layke> | I've been trying to do this for about 3 weeks |
| [07:39:16] | <Layke> | Every time I get an hour spare.. (not non stop) |
| [07:39:48] | <mig5> | http://community.aegirproject.org/node/24 |
| [07:39:51] | <Layke> | mig5: So I can just... create my "base" site? Thenn? |
| [07:39:56] | <Layke> | Ah thanks. I'll study that. |
| [07:42:53] | <Layke> | mig5: The only disadvantage of "clone" being that I can't create a site which then allows users to create their own site? |
| [07:43:06] | <Layke> | But yeah clone is perfect for what I need. |
| [07:43:43] | <MrRiley> | this might be above the scope of aegir, but i was wondering if it possible to clone a production site to make a dev site and have the dev site read the DB of the production site but to write any new information to its own DB. |
| [07:44:16] | <MrRiley> | Then merge the websites together after everything tests ok |
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| [07:46:11] | <mig5> | Layke: no. what you're describing there is indeed someting you should let your install profile + Features do (install a new site with presets) |
| [07:48:50] | <mig5> | MrRiley: no such tool exists, or at least, no such good tool. in a database-driven application like Drupal, where there isn't proper UUID support, it is impossible to detect the 'new content' because there could be sequential clashes between node ids between the prod and dev site (as the dev site database has the potential to have received new content in between) |
| [07:49:03] | <mig5> | so that's why no-one's done it. when there's solid UUID support in drupal, maybe a tool like that will be written |
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| [07:56:21] | <anarcat> | scrum in 5 |
| [07:56:48] | <sfyn> | !po |
| [07:56:52] | <sfyn> | oops |
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| [07:58:40] | <Layke> | mig5: I think I will just do clones for now. If I ever manage to get enough sites, I'll just find a consultation company who can do all of that for me. |
| [07:59:04] | <anarcat> | darthsteven / mig5 / univate / Vertice / bgm / EclipseGc / joestewart / mvc / sethvincent / sfyn / shrop / skwashd : scrum in 1 minute! |
| [07:59:14] | <darthsteven> | cool |
| [07:59:18] | <Vertice> | i thought that was thursdays |
| [07:59:20] | <Layke> | In fact, haven't I read your blog.. isn't that what your company does? |
| [07:59:27] | <anarcat> | Vertice: that changed :) |
| [07:59:34] | <univate> | hey, I'm actually here for once |
| [07:59:35] | <Vertice> | well.. i'm not here |
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| [07:59:39] | <Vertice> | the more things change... |
| [07:59:39] | <Vertice> | =) |
| [07:59:57] | <anarcat> | alright people |
| [08:00:00] | * anarcat SCRUM TIME! |
| [08:00:03] | <anarcat> | welcome everybody |
| [08:00:06] | <sfyn> | hello |
| [08:00:12] | <anarcat> | so this is our weekly scrum |
| [08:00:26] | <j0nathan> | halo |
| [08:00:44] | <anarcat> | and i'll be your host, jolly-o-anarcat |
| [08:00:44] | <anarcat> | this week |
| [08:00:44] | <anarcat> | i want to release 1.2 |
| [08:00:44] | <anarcat> | i know i said that last week |
| [08:00:44] | <anarcat> | but i failed |
| [08:00:45] | <anarcat> | so i'll try again :) |
| [08:00:45] | <anarcat> | if you guys have patches to review or commit, now is a good time |
| [08:00:49] | <anarcat> | i'll do a sprint tomorrow and try to release thursday |
| [08:01:03] | <anarcat> | also |
| [08:01:16] | <anarcat> | koumbit wants to blog about "cool things done with aegir" - we have a few on our end |
| [08:01:23] | <anarcat> | but if you guys have good examples, bring it! |
| [08:01:42] | <anarcat> | you can send sample sites or blurbs or text or whatever to me on irc here or by email at anarcat@koumbit.org |
| [08:01:53] | <anarcat> | what else what else |
| [08:02:07] | <anarcat> | i think that's it for me, other than the fact that i'm probably supposed to harrass our gsoc student here |
| [08:02:11] | <anarcat> | sethvincent: prod! |
| [08:02:16] | <sethvincent> | hello! |
| [08:02:16] | <anarcat> | *prod* *prod* :) |
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| [08:02:26] | <anarcat> | hey seth, how's it going |
| [08:02:38] | <anarcat> | can you give us a little progress update? |
| [08:02:51] | <sethvincent> | sorry. classes here have just finished, so i'll be more active starting this week. |
| [08:03:06] | <sfyn> | yay |
| [08:03:09] | <anarcat> | yay! :) |
| [08:03:09] | <sfyn> | ! |
| [08:03:11] | <sethvincent> | i've been working on porting eldir first. |
| [08:03:22] | <sethvincent> | made a few initial commits of that work |
| [08:03:55] | <sethvincent> | applied the 'turn features into features' patch and have been looking through the changes that introduces |
| [08:04:04] | <sethvincent> | and that's about it |
| [08:04:08] | <anarcat> | okay, those commits don't seem to be pushed on drupal.org, please do so when you can! |
| [08:04:11] | <univate> | I am willing to help out with some of that "features" stuff if you need it |
| [08:04:14] | <anarcat> | good work |
| [08:04:16] | <anarcat> | awesome! |
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| [08:04:27] | <anarcat> | univate: please do! i understand you had good contributions there |
| [08:04:32] | * sfyn raises his hand |
| [08:04:40] | <anarcat> | in fact, if you want to help sethvincent by reviewing and merging his patches in, that's great |
| [08:04:44] | <anarcat> | sfyn: go right ahead |
| [08:04:47] | <anarcat> | i think seth was done |
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| [08:05:07] | <sethvincent> | cool. so far all the stuff i'm working on is here: http://drupal.org/sandbox/seth.vincent/1140244 |
| [08:05:14] | <sfyn> | not much done, but I have started working on the servicesAPI imp from the hostmaster_plus module |
| [08:05:23] | <sfyn> | Bit of a mess, but I am hosting that work on github for now |
| [08:05:25] | <sfyn> | https://github.com/sfyn/hosting_services |
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| [08:05:32] | <sfyn> | The big news - the module can now be installed |
| [08:05:35] | <univate> | I have a couple a major projects that are planning to use aegir, so hoping to have a a bit more time focused on this |
| [08:05:47] | <anarcat> | sethvincent: i see... the url linked from the gsoc page is wrong: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2011/sdv_3... |
| [08:05:53] | <sfyn> | I am waiting to hear back from cmcintosh - the original author - before publishing to d.org |
| [08:06:09] | <sethvincent> | anarcat: oh! i'll fix that |
| [08:06:34] | <anarcat> | sfyn: why isn't that on drupal.org? |
| [08:06:37] | <anarcat> | oh nevermind :) |
| [08:06:44] | <anarcat> | sfyn: i think you should go ahead and publish |
| [08:06:48] | <sfyn> | I agree |
| [08:06:58] | <sfyn> | if mr. mac doesn't get back to me by friday I will |
| [08:06:59] | <anarcat> | ok |
| [08:07:03] | <anarcat> | great |
| [08:07:09] | <sfyn> | YOU HEAR THAT CMCINTOSH? |
| [08:07:27] | <anarcat> | SFYN: I DON'T THINK HE'S HERE! |
| [08:07:28] | <anarcat> | ;) |
| [08:07:34] | <anarcat> | alright, enough yelling :) |
| [08:07:37] | <sfyn> | maybe he will read the scrum log later |
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| [08:07:42] | <darthsteven> | my turn |
| [08:07:46] | <anarcat> | sfyn, if you're done, i think we can move on to mig5 or darthsteven |
| [08:07:47] | <anarcat> | alright :) |
| [08:07:54] | * sfyn clams up |
| [08:08:17] | <mig5> | nothing from me this week i'm afraid |
| [08:08:19] | <darthsteven> | so, this week I've been reviewing a few issues and committing some of my patches to the 7.x branch and 6.x too |
| [08:08:28] | <mig5> | i hear the distribution relesae node issue was fixed |
| [08:08:39] | <darthsteven> | thinking about things to do with cron |
| [08:08:48] | <anarcat> | darthsteven: cool |
| [08:08:50] | <anarcat> | mig5: yes, at last!!! |
| [08:08:55] | <darthsteven> | I'm going to hit documentation hard over the next few weeks |
| [08:09:11] | <darthsteven> | to live up to my 'documentation maintainer' title :) |
| [08:09:15] | <anarcat> | cool :) |
| [08:09:17] | <anarcat> | that's great! |
| [08:09:28] | <darthsteven> | I'd also like to get api.aegirproject.org sorted out |
| [08:09:36] | <darthsteven> | cause it's a bit of a mess at the moment |
| [08:09:39] | <anarcat> | darthsteven: we should really move the api site to our aegir server, that would fix a lot of shit |
| [08:09:43] | <anarcat> | yeah |
| [08:09:50] | <anarcat> | ergonlogic was proposing we move to d7 too |
| [08:10:05] | <darthsteven> | we can discuss in the issue... |
| [08:10:11] | <anarcat> | yeah |
| [08:10:12] | <darthsteven> | that's it from me |
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| [08:10:15] | <anarcat> | alright |
| [08:10:18] | <darthsteven> | anyone else? |
| [08:10:20] | <anarcat> | mig5: anything to add? |
| [08:10:32] | <mig5> | nope |
| [08:10:41] | <anarcat> | otherwise i think we're kind of done here |
| [08:10:51] | <anarcat> | thanks everyone for attending, and see you on the other side of 1.2 :) |
| [08:10:52] | <anarcat> | oh |
| [08:10:55] | <sfyn> | cya all next week |
| [08:10:57] | <anarcat> | another thing |
| [08:11:02] | <anarcat> | i am trying to remove aegir from ubuntu |
| [08:11:08] | <anarcat> | because it currently ships with 0.3 |
| [08:11:14] | <sfyn> | oops |
| [08:11:14] | <anarcat> | which is confusing some people |
| [08:11:27] | <anarcat> | and is blocking the drush backport |
| [08:11:36] | <anarcat> | but that seems to be hard |
| [08:12:04] | <anarcat> | if anyone wants to help in the ubuntu effort, that would be apprecitated: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aegir-provision/+bug/793567 |
| [08:12:08] | <anarcat> | and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/drush/+bug/755169 |
| [08:12:10] | <anarcat> | so that's about it |
| [08:12:13] | <anarcat> | thanks again everyone |
| [08:12:24] | <anarcat> | hefring: log bookmark |
| [08:12:24] | <hefring> | http://hefring.mig5.net/bot/log/aegir/2011-06-07#T80423 |
| [08:12:34] | <anarcat> | who's uploading this to the c.a.o site? |
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| [08:13:55] | <sethvincent> | i'll do it |
| [08:13:55] | <anarcat> | hehe, i guess i'm the grunt this week |
| [08:13:58] | <anarcat> | ah cool |
| [08:13:59] | <anarcat> | thanks seth |
| [08:14:09] | <anarcat> | have a good week everyone |
| [08:14:12] | * anarcat stepping away |
| [08:17:11] | <mig5> | no worries. it'll probably be tonight |
| [08:17:13] | <mig5> | oops |
| [08:17:30] | <mig5> | too many channels |
| [08:19:08] | <joestewart> | hefring: tell obrienmd Do you have something to post for supporting both redirects and aliases? http://drupal.org/node/815190 I'd like to help test. |
| [08:19:08] | <hefring> | joestewart: I'll pass that on when obrienmd is around. |
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| [09:20:39] | <obrienmd> | joestewart: last hack at that was a few weeks ago, and came out of it more confused than I when I entered |
| [09:20:39] | <hefring> | obrienmd: 1 hour 1 min ago <joestewart> tell obrienmd Do you have something to post for supporting both redirects and aliases? http://drupal.org/node/815190 I'd like to help test. |
| [09:21:10] | <obrienmd> | joestewart: still interested in working on it, just other projects (feed the family, etc) have taken precedence |
| [09:22:53] | <MrRiley> | mig5: had to step out for a bit, but thanks for answering my question! btw, your screencasts are great |
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