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[10:50:47]<boztek>I have a question/possible bug report for the debian packages - where's the best place to create issue/have conversation about it?
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[11:24:57]<MrRiley>boztek: from [http://community.aegirproject.org/node/14] go here: http://drupal.org/project/issues?projects=hosting,provision,hostmaster+(aegir),eldir&status=Open&priorities=All&categories=All
[11:25:19]<MrRiley>boztek: better link: http://community.aegirproject.org/node/14#helpwhere
[11:27:51]<boztek>just wasnt sure issue queue was right place as it's a package specific problem
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[22:28:25]<darthsteven>ergonlogic, shrop: What sort of thing have you been fixing?
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[22:36:07]<shrop>ergonlogic: a few small things.. checkout the dashboard on community.aegirproject.org.
[22:36:26]<shrop>Fixed some links and some spelling stuff. Also, added my recent presentation slides from DrupalCampSC
[22:36:52]<darthsteven>shrop: ah cool
[22:37:13]<darthsteven>shrop: I thought you had said that you'd been fixing api.c.o, but you had not
[22:37:22]<darthsteven>shrop: keep up the good work!
[22:37:50]<shrop>ergonlogic: nope.. I didn't know that site existed till someone mentioned it yesterday. It looks very handy for dev work against aegir.. thanks man!
[22:39:49]<darthsteven>ergonlogic: ping!
[22:40:39]<darthsteven>shrop: yeah, hopefully we'll have stable and dev versions of the code up there soon
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[22:49:35]<shrop>darthsteve: Thanks much! Just let me know if I cause any issues or step out of bounds.. I want to help, but not cause you folks a headache! :)
[22:49:42]<shrop>darthsteven
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[22:52:44]<ergonlogic>hi darthsteven
[22:52:46]<ergonlogic>hi shrop
[22:53:02]<mig5>hi darthsteven hi ergonlogic hi shrop
[22:53:04]<mig5>:)
[22:53:09]<ergonlogic>hi mig5
[22:53:18]<shrop>hello mig5!
[22:53:22]<ergonlogic>shrop: thanks for helping out with c.a.o
[22:53:26]<darthsteven>'ello
[22:53:33]<darthsteven>hi ergonlogic
[22:53:36]<shrop>yep yep
[22:53:50]<ergonlogic>darthsteven: I've been trying to find the time to work on api.a.o
[22:53:57]<ergonlogic>darthsteven: maybe today
[22:54:06]<darthsteven>ergonlogic: ah cool
[22:54:11]<ergonlogic>mainly need to migrate it to a Koumbit server
[22:54:12]<darthsteven>ergonlogic: can I help with anything?
[22:54:25]<ergonlogic>that should fix some stuff
[22:54:38]<darthsteven>awesome
[22:54:49]<ergonlogic>as currently it's on nginx, which I think you'd pointed out could be breaking the .inc URLs
[22:55:01]<darthsteven>yeah...I think so
[22:55:07]<darthsteven>which is a bit sad
[22:55:18]<ergonlogic>once there, I'll see about moving it to d7, but that may have to wait a little longer
[22:55:32]<darthsteven>There's no API module for D7 at the moment I think?
[22:55:37]<darthsteven>D6 is fine
[22:55:44]<ergonlogic>hmm
[22:55:49]<darthsteven>Add a little Jenkins and it's awesome, as per: http://www.computerminds.co.uk/articles/setting-drupal-api-site-module-d...
[22:55:54]<ergonlogic>I think the d7 module is in better shape
[22:55:55]<ergonlogic>iirc
[22:56:06]<darthsteven>ergonlogic: really?
[22:56:23]<darthsteven>http://drupal.org/node/1042486
[22:56:50]<ergonlogic>hmm
[22:57:00]<ergonlogic>grammar_parser then, I guess
[22:57:01]<darthsteven>there isn't any D7 code in the repo
[22:57:03]<darthsteven>oh right
[22:57:05]<darthsteven>yeah
[22:57:23]<darthsteven>http://www.computerminds.co.uk/articles/setting-drupal-api-site-module-d... details the bleeding edge of an API site
[22:57:28]<darthsteven>even have a make file there?
[22:57:42]<darthsteven>even have a make file there :)
[22:57:49]<darthsteven>I'm losing it
[22:58:07]<ergonlogic>reading..
[22:58:13]<darthsteven>well, let me know if I can do anything
[22:59:07]<darthsteven>a.c.o is great, but needs the different branches listed
[22:59:15]<darthsteven>and probably drush 4 too
[22:59:34]<darthsteven>*a.a.o
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[23:01:39]<omega8cc>darthsteven: hi, something to consider: http://drupal.org/node/322788#comment-4599718
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[23:03:25]<darthsteven>mig5 what's the deal with the 'Hosting' project vs 'Hostmaster'?
[23:03:50]<darthsteven>omega8cc: interesting...
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[23:07:06]<ergonlogic>darthsteven: I see you have access to ci.aegirproject.org
[23:07:41]<mig5>darthsteven: hostmaster is the install profile
[23:07:44]<ergonlogic>darthsteven: I''' see about rebuilding the api site, as per your post
[23:07:45]<mig5>hosting is the frontend module
[23:08:08]<ergonlogic>darthsteven: but I'll need you to handle the jenkins stuff
[23:08:20]<mig5>back in the cvs days they really were all separate projects... eventually it 'made sense' for us to just roll hosting/eldir inside hostmaster via git, but that was pre git.drupal.org
[23:08:36]<ergonlogic>darthsteven: I'll also want to run it by anarchat, as it'll be running on his server
[23:08:37]<darthsteven>ergonlogic: Sure, might only work if they are on the same server, as the webserver will need to read the code that Jenkins checks out
[23:08:54]<ergonlogic>hmmm
[23:09:01]<mig5>darthsteven: we kept the hosting/eldir project nodes for the issue history.. i guess
[23:09:13]<ergonlogic>we'd been doing it with cron calling git
[23:09:42]<darthsteven>ergonlogic: Can do it that way I guess
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[23:10:17]<darthsteven>ergonlogic: it was a nice solution to use the Jenkins workspace as the code folder that was scanned by the API module
[23:11:07]<darthsteven>mig5: but open hosting issues say in that project and don't move to 'hostmaster'
[23:11:14]<darthsteven>mig5: ?
[23:11:32]<mig5>i don't follow
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[23:12:27]<mig5>hostmaster has become a sort of 'misc/everything else' ticket area for the project, since the install profile doesn't really develop beyond what it is.. Hosting has remained 'for frontend bugs/features'
[23:12:48]<mig5>hostmaster is sometimes also issues that apply to both provision *and* hosting
[23:13:01]<darthsteven>mig5: ah okay
[23:13:05]<mig5>i really wish it was all just one queue.. and i kind of treat it as such in terms of the URL/query i use to view em
[23:13:24]<darthsteven>maybe it'll happen one day
[23:13:27]<mig5>as it's obvious to me what part of the system the issue applies to
[23:14:01]<mig5>i can't imagine the days (pre-dating me) when there was a 5th project 'hostslave' :)
[23:14:13]<mig5>http://drupal.org/project/hostslave
[23:14:26]<mig5>i've never even looked at that code..
[23:14:48]<mig5>but there are still references to 'hostslave' buried in hostmaster for the fools still on 0.2 :)
[23:15:30]<darthsteven>crumbs
[23:16:02]<ergonlogic>darthsteven: maybe it was the backported bartik theme that made me think drush was running API on D7: http://api.drush.ws/
[23:16:39]<ergonlogic>mig5: you're running ci.aegirproject.org, right?
[23:16:53]<mig5>yep
[23:17:41]<ergonlogic>darthsteven has an interesting api site recipe that involves jenkins checking out code, and updating a drupal site to build a new branch in the front-end
[23:17:55]<mig5>do you need sounds cool
[23:17:57]<mig5>oops
[23:17:58]<ergonlogic>but suspects the drupal spi site and jenkins have to run on the same server
[23:17:59]<mig5>-do you need
[23:18:18]<ergonlogic>s/spi/api/g
[23:18:20]<darthsteven>Jenkins could rsync the code over I guess
[23:18:43]<mig5>the issue with jenkins is that its SCM (source code management) plugin involves jenkins polling a repo for changes and then checking out its own copy
[23:18:58]<mig5>we have already run into the issue with c.i.aegirporject in that we use that feature to react on changes to the repo
[23:19:07]<mig5>but that it doesn't use the checkout that it makes, for anything
[23:19:20]<mig5>i wish the SCM was just 'saw a change, now do *something*'
[23:19:29]<mig5>as opposed to clone a copy for itself, as i find that largely useless
[23:19:50]<ergonlogic>well... we may have found a use for it :)
[23:20:23]<mig5>well darthsteven has full access to ci.aegirproject including sudo :)
[23:20:28]<mig5>go go go! :)
[23:20:40]<mig5>do you need/want access ergonlogic?
[23:20:44]<ergonlogic>no need
[23:20:49]<mig5>ok
[23:21:12]<ergonlogic>maybe at some point, but I won;t have a chance to play with jenkins any time soon
[23:21:12]<darthsteven>yeah, I'll do your bidding on ci.a.o ergonlogic
[23:21:27]<mig5>ci.a.o << haha
[23:21:31]<ergonlogic>k
[23:21:32]<mig5>sorry
[23:22:00]<ergonlogic>I like c.a.o too, as it's kinda pronounced like "chaos" in french
[23:22:19]<ergonlogic>anyway...
[23:22:20]<darthsteven>I reckon we could use Jenkins to check the code out, rsync it to the webserver and then call cron on the API site
[23:22:31]<ergonlogic>right
[23:22:57]<mig5>sounds good
[23:23:02]<mig5>just need to handle permissions
[23:23:14]<darthsteven>mig5: in what sense?
[23:23:22]<mig5>the jenkins user has an ssh key on ci.a.o
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[23:23:31]<mig5>i mean to rsync to the remote web server *as* the jenkins user, presumably
[23:23:38]<darthsteven>ah right
[23:23:40]<darthsteven>yup
[23:24:12]<ergonlogic>I'll run it by Antoine, but we should be able to rsync into my home/ and point the api site there or something
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[23:27:23]<darthsteven>as mig5 points out the Jenkins server will need an ssh key that can upload to wherever you decide
[23:27:48]<ergonlogic>darthsteven: I'll get started migrating the site, then let you know once anarchat's online
[23:28:01]<darthsteven>ergonlogic: lovely!
[23:28:21]<ergonlogic>I certainly like to idea of triggering the api site's cron based on commit changes
[23:28:30]<darthsteven>ergonlogic: Could I possibly get a login for the API site once it's migrated
[23:28:36]<ergonlogic>sure
[23:29:30]<mig5>lemme know when you need the pubkey, or darthsteven can fetch that from /var/lib/jenkins/.ssh/ on ci.a.o
[23:29:32]<darthsteven>ergonlogic: yeah, and when d.o adds service hooks, we might be able to push updates
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[23:31:14]<ergonlogic>I have some administrivia to take care of this AM, and will get on the api stuff shortly thereafter
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[23:31:53]<ergonlogic>say... could I have my +v back?
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[23:32:30]<mig5>hmm i'll see whether it's meant to be set permanently.. meantime
[23:33:06]<ergonlogic>thanks
[23:33:51]<mig5>apparently it's set, maybe you aren't identified to nickserv
[23:34:05]<ergonlogic>I think I'll need to tweak my znc
[23:34:18]<mig5>ah
[23:38:31]<darthsteven>wow, that felt like a productive discussion eh?
[23:38:58]<darthsteven>mig5: I have now ssh'd into ci.a.o and changed my password :)
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[23:42:19]<mig5>hooray!
[23:42:55]<mig5>yes now i'll have nothing to talk about at the scrum in the morning :)
[23:43:04]<mig5>(quarter to midnight here tuesday)
[23:43:32]<mig5>imagine me, with nothing to say at the scrum! *falls out of bed in shock*
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[23:46:59]<darthsteven>I'm probably not going to make it, so I could send you PM with an update from me which you could pass on?
[23:47:49]<darthsteven>scrums are 11pm here, and I'm usually up, awake and working from 6:30am, which is a long ol' day
[23:48:24]<darthsteven>Jenkins does like its memory eh?
[23:48:39]<darthsteven>or rather, likes memory generally :)
[23:49:38]<mig5>yeah.. it's java
[23:50:00]<anarchat>maybe we can think about switching the times for the scrum
[23:50:05]<anarchat>like now seems to be a good tim
[23:50:26]<mig5>yeah, i could do that
[23:51:29]<mig5>same problem for me as darthsteven at this hour, but my brain never is working properly anyway :)
[23:51:41]<mig5>23:53
[23:52:37]<anarchat>well, i feel that the three of us make it so it is almost impossible to find such a time
[23:52:47]<anarchat>i don't mind working late though
[23:52:59]<anarchat>but my late is impossibly early for darthsteven
[23:53:30]<mig5>its fine by me for this time
[23:54:15]<mig5>ping omega8cc
[23:54:37]<omega8cc>mig5: pong, hi!
[23:54:55]<mig5>yay, so you are awake :)
[23:55:05]<omega8cc>haha, sometimes
[23:55:05]<mig5>how is this hour for you, for scrums
[23:55:34]<omega8cc>scrums are at 0:00 here
[23:55:42]<omega8cc>did we change anything?
[23:55:48]<anarchat>http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2011&mont...
[23:55:54]<anarchat>omega8cc: no, not yet, but we're talking about it
[23:55:55]<omega8cc>I mean CET 0:00
[23:56:20]<anarchat>i have koumbit meeting every tuesday at 10am
[23:56:29]<anarchat>so making it in the morning here isn't a problem for me
[23:56:39]<mig5>imagine that, we are all in a scrum on the same 'day' :)
[23:56:50]<anarchat>yeah, crazy
[23:57:00]<omega8cc>I have recently really early starts, so it is difficult for me, but still possible, not a problem
[23:57:03]<anarchat>what a concept
[23:57:14]<anarchat>omega8cc: what about the above url?
[23:57:29]<mig5>2 hours earlier than now
[23:57:39]<anarchat>er
[23:57:52]<mig5>no ?
[23:57:55]<anarchat>that would be about 10h earlier than now
[23:57:56]<mig5>per that url
[23:58:03]<omega8cc>it is 2PM in CET, works for me
[23:58:11]<mig5>no, i mean that url is 2 hours earlier than now, for me
[23:58:11]<anarchat>oh you mean
[23:58:16]<darthsteven>that would work for me too
[23:58:21]<anarchat>now "now"
[23:58:25]<mig5>yes
[23:58:27]<mig5>:)
[23:58:27]<darthsteven>time() now
[23:58:31]<anarchat>not now "the time we currently do the scrums" :)
[23:58:31]<mig5>not the other now
[23:58:33]<mig5>:)
[23:58:45]<mig5>right
[23:58:52]<mig5>dummy connection failed to fail!
[23:58:53]<mig5>:)
[23:58:58]<anarchat>okay, well let's just get rid of the scrum tonight
[23:59:08]<anarchat>and do it at the above time in the future
[23:59:15]<darthsteven>seems like we're about as distributed as possible eh?
[23:59:18]<anarchat>i don't have much to say for the scrum anyways
[23:59:24]<anarchat>i still am stalling on 1.2
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[23:59:30]<mig5>oh yes, we are git incarnate
[23:59:44]<anarchat>darthsteven: you are our latest clone ;)
[23:59:52]<omega8cc>I also don't have much to say, except some patches to submit
[00:00:04]<mig5>anarchat: need your help re: the deb packages for jenkins, i can't completely automate it as it *always* prompts for the mysql root password on install apparently
[00:00:05]<anarchat>omega8cc: i saw that, i'll try to get that in asap, seems like good stuff
[00:00:08]<mig5>let's catch up this week
[00:00:18]<anarchat>mig5: yeah, i saw that, i'll try to review that too
[00:00:23]<mig5>cool
[00:00:26]<anarchat>i'll do another run on the issue queue today or tomorrow
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[00:00:35]<darthsteven>anarchat: errm...
[00:00:41]<darthsteven>anarchat: yes, probably
[00:00:57]<omega8cc>great, thanks anarchat
[00:01:02]<anarchat>so it's agreed to change the scrum time?
[00:01:07]<darthsteven>sure
[00:01:09]<mig5>yep
[00:01:13]<omega8cc>yep
[00:01:20]<anarchat>alright
[00:01:30]<anarchat>i'll try to catch seth tonight if he shows up
[00:01:31]<anarchat>or
[00:02:14]<ergonlogic>so... 9:30ish EST? I'll update c.a.o
[00:02:17]<anarchat>hefring: tell sethvincent that we moved the scrum time to 8hAM EDT (UTC-4) so we canceled today's scrum, but please do share your current progress with me or univate_
[00:02:18]<hefring>anarchat: I'll pass that on when sethvincent is around.
[00:02:27]<ergonlogic>oops 8am?
[00:02:28]<anarchat>ergonlogic: see http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2011&mont...
[00:02:38]<ergonlogic>k
[00:03:17]<anarchat>ergonlogic: 12h00 UTC - 8am edt (utc-4), 13hPM BST (UTC+1, 22hpm EST (UTC+10)
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[00:03:53]<anarcat>okay, rushing to the office, nice talkin to you guys :)
[00:04:05]<mig5>you too mate
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[00:04:18]<omega8cc>:)
[00:04:36]<omega8cc>good night mig5
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[00:09:35]<ergonlogic>done
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[00:46:59]<patcon|myplanet>mig5, you going to be at devops down under?
[00:50:18]<noecc>hefring: forget scrum
[00:50:18]<hefring>noecc: I've forgotten about scrum.
[00:50:23]<noecc>hefring: scrum is <reply>Every Tuesday at 12h00 UTC: 05h00 San Francisco, USA (PST), 08h00 Montreal, Canada (EDT), 13h00 London, UK (CET), 22h00 Melbourne, Australia (EST)
[00:50:23]<hefring>noecc: Okay.
[00:50:36]<patcon|myplanet>And this is out from left field, but has there been any talk about integrating aegir more tightly with a config management solution like chef or puppet? Chef's knife tool is super-powerful, and it seems like there might be some exciting potential to have aegir use it to spin up new cloud servers
[00:52:04]* noecc has changed the topic to Aegir hosting system 1.1 released! http://community.aegirproject.org/1.1 | Issue queue: http://is.gd/edalY | read this before asking: http://community.aegirproject.org/help | scrums on tuesday 1200UTC | our gSoC student application was accepted, congrats seth!
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[00:58:49]<ergonlogic>darthsteven: you have an openid?
[00:59:51]<darthsteven>ergonlogic: I have a google account, so yes, I think so
[01:00:02]<ergonlogic>darthsteven: I'll add it to uid1 on api.a.o
[01:00:28]<anarcat>i am not sure google = openid
[01:00:42]<darthsteven>http://code.google.com/apis/accounts/docs/OpenID.html
[01:01:09]<darthsteven>so it might work
[01:01:39]<anarcat>cool
[01:02:05]<anarcat>in fact there's a module for that
[01:02:06]<anarcat>http://drupal.org/project/openid_selector
[01:02:12]<anarcat>ergonlogic: i strongly suggest that module ^^
[01:02:28]<anarcat>although i never tried it :P
[01:03:36]<ergonlogic>anarcat: on it
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[01:18:56]<darthsteven>not sure using google will work :(
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[01:19:04]<darthsteven>just tried it on an account, and it did not
[01:19:14]<darthsteven>I'm happy to just have a normal account though
[01:19:30]<darthsteven>http://api.aegirproject.org/user/21 in fact :)
[01:24:31]<darthsteven>apparently D6 needs: http://drupal.org/node/634562 for google's openID to work
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[02:22:04]<joestewart>omega8cc: Thanks for commenting on #1188202. The nginx info was good. I don't have strong feelings myself. My preference is setting private files outside the docroot. But I do think it needs clarification that this is something that aegir is doing and not Drupal 7.
[02:25:52]<omega8cc>joestewart: I think the only really missing part is a rewrite added for Apache, as it is already done in the Nginx config - this way you don't need to move the directory outside of web root and it is safe, and the fix should be simple: http://drupalcode.org/project/provision.git/blob/HEAD:/http/nginx/nginx_...
[02:26:44]<omega8cc>hmm
[02:26:49]<omega8cc>it is already there
[02:26:57]<omega8cc>http://drupalcode.org/project/provision.git/blob/HEAD:/http/apache/vhost...
[02:27:15]<omega8cc>joestewart: have you tried it?
[02:28:11]<omega8cc>it should be just
[02:28:22]<omega8cc><DirectoryMatch "<?php print $this->site_path; ?>/private" >
[02:28:25]<omega8cc>IMO
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[02:31:45]<joestewart>No, I currently don't have a problem with it except that maybe we are doing too much on top of Drupal. But there is http://drupal.org/node/1108810 and http://worxco.com/blog/aegir-and-private-files-0
[02:31:52]<omega8cc>and, since it has Options +FollowSymLinks you can put there only symlink to the outside-of-webroot dir
[02:32:39]<omega8cc>hah, the first is expected
[02:32:57]<omega8cc>because of
[02:32:58]<omega8cc><DirectoryMatch "<?php print $this->site_path; ?>/private/(files|temp)/" >
[02:33:11]<omega8cc>it doesn't protect /private/ level
[02:33:21]<omega8cc>which is confusing
[02:36:17]<omega8cc>just added a comment there
[02:39:13]<omega8cc>joestewart: so, we can't allow to set the variable to anything by default, because it will allow you to create non-working (on the web server level) configuration - as some people will then try to set it in the web root and complain it is accessible directly
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[02:41:27]<joestewart>fair enough. We want this to be an aegir feature.
[02:43:53]<joestewart>omega8cc: thanks. Any comment on http://drupal.org/node/1124154 while you're here? :)
[02:46:08]<omega8cc>ah, this is the issue I forgot to comment, we are already using your patch :)
[02:47:45]<omega8cc>joestewart: done, thanks!
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[02:51:42]<joestewart>thanks. I'll leave the other ticket open a little while to give others a chance to comment, then close it.
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[02:52:15]<omega8cc>leave it for mig5 :)
[02:53:24]<omega8cc>joestewart: because I think it should be changed for Apache to protect entire directory
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[02:57:31]<anarcat>darthsteven: maybe we can test that patch...
[02:57:44]<darthsteven>which patch?
[02:58:08]<darthsteven>there are at least three patches I know about...
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[03:03:13]<darthsteven>omega8cc: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/core.html#directorymatch would suggest that that string is actually a regex
[03:03:27]<darthsteven>so should probably have a ^ at the start
[03:03:57]<anarcat>darthsteven: i mean the openid patch in http://drupal.org/node/634562 (bottom)
[03:04:19]<darthsteven>anarcat: oh, I'm in already, different openID :)
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[03:10:08]<darthsteven>later folks, ping me if you need me!
[03:10:14]<darthsteven>goodbye!
[03:10:16]<omega8cc>but it is not a preg_match in PHP where you have to use slashes to start and end the regex, also, you don't need any regex here really, just a path, while the regex *can* be used, I think
[03:10:36]<darthsteven>omega8cc: sure, either is fine in this case
[03:10:43]<omega8cc>yep
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[08:01:11]<sethvincent>scrum time?
[08:01:11]<hefring>sethvincent: 7 hours 58 min ago <anarchat> tell sethvincent that we moved the scrum time to 8hAM EDT (UTC-4) so we canceled today's scrum, but please do share your current progress with me or univate_
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[08:19:14]<anarcat>sethvincent: yeah, so it was skipped! :)
[08:19:23]<anarcat>sethvincent: please log any progress here so we know what you're up to :)
[08:19:28]<anarcat>ideally, in the issue queues too
[08:19:31]<sethvincent>got it.
[08:19:33]<sethvincent>ok
[08:20:26]<sethvincent>made a repository for the eldir port here:http://drupal.org/sandbox/seth.vincent/1185048
[08:20:31]<sethvincent>it's pretty close
[08:20:47]<sethvincent>there is still some work left there with template.php
[08:21:18]<sethvincent>got started working through the hostmaster install profile today.
[08:22:14]<sethvincent>i'm working on a detailed list of tasks that i plan to work through and I'll post that on community.aegirproject.org later today
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