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| [10:36:51] | <Guest99519> | Where does aegir put apache logs by default |
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| [11:46:01] | <elvis2> | hiya, anyone know of a script for unbuntu 10.4? |
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| [11:48:43] | <bgm> | elvis2: have you tried the debian packages? |
| [11:50:32] | <elvis2> | bgm, i did last night, but i think my dns was not setup |
| [11:50:57] | <elvis2> | i am thinking of using this script bgm: |
| [11:50:58] | <elvis2> | http://www.linode.com/stackscripts/view/?StackScriptID=203 |
| [11:51:25] | <elvis2> | sorry, this one: http://www.linode.com/stackscripts/view/?StackScriptID=1027 |
| [11:56:25] | <bgm> | elvis2: why not use the debian packages? |
| [11:56:47] | <bgm> | elvis2: http://community.aegirproject.org/node/400 |
| [11:57:33] | <bgm> | i think it should work under ubuntu |
| [11:58:07] | <bgm> | if setting up apt to connect to the repositories does not work, you can try to "dpkg -i provision-aegir.deb" and others, manually |
| [12:01:09] | <elvis2> | thanks |
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| [14:14:58] | <stevengc> | Hi all, anyone know what to look for to see why aegir is running sooo slowly? |
| [14:19:52] | <mig5> | just aegir? no sites? |
| [14:20:02] | <mig5> | it really is an impossibly broad question |
| [14:20:14] | <mig5> | check memory usage of various processes etc.. |
| [14:24:01] | <stevengc> | I thought it would be but didn't really know where to start, only has one site installed. |
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| [14:33:05] | <mig5> | look at your cpu load, maybe a process is being very busy |
| [14:33:13] | <mig5> | what are your server's specs |
| [14:34:21] | <stevengc> | The first linode option. |
| [14:35:52] | <stevengc> | Only half a gig of ram, but that should be plenty for a handful of sites right? |
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| [14:49:53] | <elvis2> | "myhost" on this script, is example.com fine? https://raw.github.com/doka/install-aegir-on-ubuntu/master/install-aegir... |
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| [15:36:34] | <mig5> | sorry was afk.. |
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| [15:37:28] | <mig5> | script looks .. ok.. you probably would've been better following the official docs |
| [15:37:40] | <mig5> | as we can't really verify 3rd party scripts, but it doesn't look too bad |
| [15:37:57] | <mig5> | anyway have you ruled out a network issue causing the slowness? what's the load like? |
| [15:38:17] | <mig5> | really could have nothing to do with your server til we actually know what its performance looks like |
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| [15:50:18] | <elvis2> | mig5, i am installing aegir on a debian machine, using http://community.aegirproject.org/installing/debian |
| [15:50:45] | <elvis2> | i am now to the point where a dialog box pops up and ask for the url of the hostmaster frontend... |
| [15:51:39] | <elvis2> | does it matter what i input? can it be foo.mydomain.com? |
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| [16:04:07] | <mig5> | elvis2: it has to be whatever you want to put into your browser when viewing the frontend GUI of aegir |
| [16:04:39] | <mig5> | it doesn't do any DNS checking or anything of that, so it's up to you to set that yourself in some way |
| [16:04:52] | <elvis2_> | ok, it loaded this time... sweet |
| [16:05:11] | <elvis2_> | yeah, i setup the wildcard dns before going through the install instructions |
| [16:05:49] | <elvis2_> | out of the box can i import drupal sites into aegir? |
| [16:08:09] | <mig5> | yep, have a read of our documentation http://community.aegirproject.org/node/21 |
| [16:08:51] | <elvis2_> | thanks |
| [16:09:34] | <elvis2_> | has there been any talk of an aegir book coming out? |
| [16:11:50] | <mig5> | not that I know of |
| [16:12:07] | <mig5> | the documentation is quite substantial, with a couple small holes |
| [16:12:30] | <mig5> | perhaps later, for aegir 2.0, that'd be nice (when the API is a little more stable and a few things have been refactored from 1.0) |
| [16:13:36] | <elvis2_> | yeah, there is a lot of documentation... maybe a bit too much... i think a vote up / down would be nice on the site... some solution simply don't work (from users and comments) |
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| [16:19:42] | <elvis2_> | hmmm, i am just reading through the docs... On Remote servers (multiserver) (node/30), is this explaining what seems to be an option to "sync" a server on aegir from a server on another network? |
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| [16:29:49] | <mig5> | yeah.. also read 'Platforms and remote web servers' on http://community.aegirproject.org/node/20 |
| [16:30:15] | <mig5> | aegir basically can sync a 'master copy' of your codebase/site to a remote web server that it has been configured to manage |
| [16:34:33] | <elvis2_> | pretty cool |
| [16:36:10] | <mig5> | and it can migrate sites between remote web servers in the same way |
| [16:36:19] | <mig5> | or say, clone dev site on dev server > live site on live server |
| [16:36:32] | <elvis2_> | are there any documented best practices for large shops using aegir, to move sites in and out of migration to production? from a developer's point of view, i am looking for something to incorporate |
| [16:36:39] | <mig5> | a lot of the multiserver stuff is a bit shaky / slow though, and that is where there'll be a lot of refactoring later |
| [16:36:54] | <elvis2_> | understandable |
| [16:37:24] | <mig5> | you could have a read of http://greenbeedigital.com.au/content/drupal-deployments-workflows-versi... |
| [16:37:30] | <mig5> | there is nothing formal re: workflows |
| [16:37:40] | <mig5> | just ideas and tools that help |
| [16:37:54] | <mig5> | (drush_make, install profiles, features) |
| [16:38:25] | <mig5> | sooner or later oyu will hit the final obstacle which is managing *content* changes (nodes) between dev/live/back to dev / back to live, which there is no silver bullet solution for |
| [16:38:37] | <mig5> | not for drupal or any other cms with a database backend |
| [16:39:00] | <mig5> | so that's where it all kind of falls apart :) |
| [16:39:14] | <elvis2_> | yeah, that is the issue we are having |
| [16:41:12] | <elvis2_> | we have several developers also working on the same projects, getting all our changes into prd is challenging. our goal is to never need to do migration changes through the ui in prd. so all db changes go through the hook_update_N... |
| [16:42:13] | <elvis2_> | i am new to drush make, but what i see is a tool that will help testing installations and throw them up on a new domain much more streamlined... |
| [16:42:33] | <mig5> | drush_make will help you build your 'platform' codebase that has your new hook_update_n's |
| [16:42:42] | <mig5> | the Migrate step in aegir actually invokes drush updatedb |
| [16:42:47] | <mig5> | which runs those hook_update's |
| [16:43:10] | <mig5> | so what you want is a dedicated 'release' manager who does the final step of migrating the live site to the new codebase through the Aegir UI on 'go live with new changes' day |
| [16:43:14] | <elvis2_> | yeah, i figured that... i have seen a demo of aegir and drush make... |
| [16:43:46] | <mig5> | until then you go apeshit cloning the live site to a dev platform and hack away on the clone.. that way you have the 'latest' data (at least from the time you cloned the live site) |
| [16:43:59] | <elvis2_> | dedicated release manager, meaning a live person ;) |
| [16:44:22] | <mig5> | yes, because a site migrate cannot be easily automated from the CLI yet |
| [16:44:28] | <mig5> | though I believe some people have done it |
| [16:44:34] | <mig5> | with a lot of fudging about |
| [16:45:05] | <elvis2_> | yeah, we somewhat do it now... but, many times small things are done through the ui once the migratio happens... we want to get away from that |
| [16:45:06] | <mig5> | plus, it's the step where things can go wrong / break your live site in ways aegir can't always detect |
| [16:45:17] | <mig5> | i'd rather be there to see that |
| [16:45:19] | <elvis2_> | yeah |
| [16:45:22] | <elvis2_> | i agree |
| [16:45:33] | <mig5> | i'm all for automated nightly builds or something in dev - you can do that very easily with aegir and jenkins |
| [16:45:36] | <mig5> | and drush_make |
| [16:45:48] | <elvis2_> | jenkins? |
| [16:45:51] | <mig5> | and you can even do automated site installations in dev to ensure your profile still works etc |
| [16:46:01] | <mig5> | Jenkins = continuous integration server (used to be called Hudson) |
| [16:46:19] | <mig5> | have a read of http://greenbeedigital.com.au/content/test-your-drupal-distro-building-c... also |
| [16:46:47] | <elvis2_> | Ah, i have seen hudson run... |
| [16:47:19] | <elvis2_> | nice |
| [16:47:31] | <elvis2_> | these are the kind of tools we need to incorporate |
| [16:48:46] | <elvis2_> | we have a noc team and dev team. the dev team relies heavily on the noc team for silly things... these kind of tools would free us (devs) up to working as close to a prd state as possible |
| [16:50:28] | <elvis2_> | thanks for the articles... i look forward to getting acquainted with the new technologies.. |
| [16:55:32] | <elvis2_> | is it feasible to combine puppet + aegir? |
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| [04:29:33] | <jpstrikesback> | from what I'm reading in the handbook backup seems like a great way to sync a remote site backwards to the master (i.e. update the master from the remote), can anyone confirm this greatness? |
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| [09:16:32] | <mig5> | jpstrikesback: yes, a backup with multiserver will rsync back down the data from the site and do a database dump, finishing by tarballing it all up on the aegir master server |
| [09:16:46] | <mig5> | same way as without multiserver except it knows to rsync down the live data first |
| [09:17:34] | <mig5> | i'm not sure if it updates the 'master' copy or rsyncs to a temporary location: but I imagine it does (update the master) |
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