| [10:00:51] | <omega8cc> | AquaticDisorder: in our env you don't have an access to your Aegir system and user, so you simply can't break it, no matter what |
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| [10:03:22] | <omega8cc> | you can even break default platforms, because yo don't have an access to platform root, only to sites/ space, while for almost all platforms we are moving their code to profiles space, so you can still override it safely in the sites/all or sites/domain but you can't break it |
| [10:03:43] | <omega8cc> | err.. 'you can't even break default platforms' |
| [10:03:57] | <AquaticDisorder> | omega8cc: hehe, ok that's very cool |
| [10:05:38] | <omega8cc> | of course you have an access to platform root for your custom platforms, but it is minor since Aegir takes over permissions anyway, and you have limited shell with separate user |
| [10:06:11] | <AquaticDisorder> | yh I didn't think It would be possible to edit the default platforms but possible to create custom ones |
| [10:07:00] | <omega8cc> | you can't 'edit' default platforms, but you can easily 'override' them on the platform level sitesall |
| [10:07:58] | <AquaticDisorder> | I get it sounds like linux, my d7 modules themes and libraries end up in the profile dir using makefile |
| [10:07:59] | <omega8cc> | it is safe because to revert you only need to remove your stuff and reverify |
| [10:08:24] | <AquaticDisorder> | nice easy rollback |
| [10:08:33] | <omega8cc> | right, it is good to have them there |
| [10:10:00] | <AquaticDisorder> | do you know if libraries work from inside the profile dir, I dont know , sorry cheeky I know =) |
| [10:14:03] | <AquaticDisorder> | I was thinking use libraries_api module, build platform, move libraries, maybe re-verify, build sites |
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| [10:16:47] | <omega8cc> | yes, you can put libs there , however some modules or distros fail if they can't find, say jquery.ui in sites/all/libraries |
| [10:23:39] | <omega8cc> | well, 2:22 am here, good night and good morning! |
| [10:24:59] | <AquaticDisorder> | omega8cc: ok ty, only 1.22am here =) and £36.04 for four cores hehe! |
| [10:25:16] | <AquaticDisorder> | ^monthly +) |
| [10:25:25] | <omega8cc> | :) |
| [10:26:25] | <omega8cc> | now, why Colloquy displays the time in UTC for me? it is 2:25 and not 12:25 |
| [10:27:45] | <omega8cc> | I suspect it is Lion improvement, anyway |
| [10:28:25] | <omega8cc> | so, night all for real |
| [10:34:17] | <AquaticDisorder> | guten nacht! |
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| [10:43:33] | <welly_> | Just did an import of a site. It created the site fine, however it set some database credentials but didn't create the database |
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| [10:44:20] | <welly_> | is that the state of affairs with importing a site at the moment? |
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| [12:18:21] | <AquaticDisorder> | welly: I'm not sure but I think you may have to set that up manually for importing sites |
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| [12:37:41] | <welly_> | AquaticDisorder: yeah, i think that might be the case. |
| [12:37:43] | <welly_> | no worries. |
| [12:38:52] | <welly_> | he's an odd one - I've got a domain alias for a site set up. yet it doesn't resolve to the site. i had to manually put the alias into the vhost.d/site conf file |
| [12:39:29] | <welly_> | he's? here's even |
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| [12:45:45] | <welly> | hmm.. seems to be working now. guess it must have been something going on with the import |
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| [14:06:02] | <realityloop> | mig5: ping |
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| [16:44:42] | <Egyptian[Laptop]> | when i import a site into aegir - must it have the database too? |
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| [17:42:06] | <Egyptian[Laptop]> | hmm.. can i clone sites with aegir? |
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| [17:46:49] | <mig5> | read the manual? :) |
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| [17:47:04] | <mig5> | http://community.aegirproject.org/node/24 |
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| [17:56:59] | <juampy> | Hello everyone! I have been reading the documentation and, although I have not tested Aegir myself yet, I wanted to know if it works well with serveral servers, and if it can manage a cloud of servers with several sites on them |
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| [19:28:10] | <juampy> | Hello everyone! I have been reading the documentation and, although I have not tested Aegir myself yet, I wanted to know if it works well with serveral servers, and if it can manage a cloud of servers with several sites on them |
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| [19:56:30] | <mrfelton> | omega8cc: Is there something in Barracuda that clears out /tmp every now and again? |
| [19:57:21] | <mrfelton> | I'm trying to run gitorious through Apache+mod_passenger, and every once in a while it stops working as the /tmp/passenger just seems to dissapear |
| [19:58:07] | <mrfelton> | restarting Apache resolves the issue, but I know that by default Ubuntu only clears out /tmp on a reboot. Just wondering if there is something specific in Barracuda that makes it happen more freequently |
| [19:59:09] | <omega8cc> | mrfelton: yeah, it is /var/xdrago/clear.sh running hourly and /var/xdrago/graceful.sh running daily |
| [19:59:14] | <mrfelton> | ahh |
| [19:59:54] | <mrfelton> | omega8cc: what is the reason for clearing out /tmp manually like that? |
| [19:59:55] | <omega8cc> | mrfelton: so you need to comment out some lines there probably |
| [20:01:25] | <omega8cc> | it is to help sysadmin newbies, who didn't realize why/how their disk get full because of some dumps and other garbage in /tmp and we don't use /tmp for anything like sockets etc in BOA by default |
| [20:02:13] | <omega8cc> | not sure if we should disable this |
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| [20:02:59] | <mrfelton> | omega8cc: if /tmp was in tmpfs, wouldn't it clear itself as the RAM gets used up? |
| [20:03:37] | <mrfelton> | I don't know if tmpfs automagically expunges itself, but that would be my assumption |
| [20:04:09] | <omega8cc> | yeah, but we can't assume it is in tmpfs, because in all popular VPS setups it is not a separate mount even |
| [20:04:25] | <omega8cc> | so maybe we can check if it is ;) |
| [20:04:48] | <mrfelton> | omega8cc: could you not check and then remount as tmpfs if not? |
| [20:05:01] | <omega8cc> | please open an issue :) |
| [20:05:11] | <mrfelton> | omega8cc: no problem. will do |
| [20:06:00] | <omega8cc> | this is too invasive idea, imo… to mount it automatically, no? |
| [20:06:55] | <omega8cc> | also, you can't remount when it is busy, so I would rather make it a how-to entry |
| [20:07:21] | <omega8cc> | and clear /tmp only if it is not mounted as tmpfs |
| [20:07:22] | <mrfelton> | you think? Barracuda is already pretty invasive - but thats a good thing, as it does the 'right' thing for us Drupallers |
| [20:08:03] | <omega8cc> | hmm, ok, it should be safe to do it on initial setup |
| [20:09:14] | <mrfelton> | yeah, so maybe present it as an option as part of an upgrade? |
| [20:09:25] | <omega8cc> | good idea |
| [20:15:00] | <mrfelton> | omega8cc: another question while I'm at it. I really wanted to run gitorious though NginX, but the NginX that was compiles as part of Barracuda wasn't compiled with mod_passenger support. I ended up using Apache instead, as I didn't want to mess with what Barracuda had done. Is there any safe way to add passenger support to Barracuda's nginx that won't get clobbered on an upgrade of Barracuda? |
| [20:16:30] | <mrfelton> | what | ended up doing was gavin Apache running gitorious and using nginx as a proxy to it |
| [20:17:34] | <omega8cc> | mrfelton: there is, we could add optional variable used on Nginx build so you could add it as an extra option to standard 'sh ./configure' I think |
| [20:17:38] | <mrfelton> | is there or could there be an 'nginx-extra-compile-args' option in the install/upgrade script? |
| [20:17:56] | <mrfelton> | yeah, I think that would work |
| [20:18:34] | <omega8cc> | there is already, just not as configuration option, we use this to test new nginx modules safely |
| [20:18:40] | <omega8cc> | it is in head |
| [20:18:45] | <mrfelton> | does Barracuda let you have an external file that it looks to for extra config args like that? Just trying to avoid having to manually add that to the upgrade script every time |
| [20:18:55] | <omega8cc> | we just need to add it to config options |
| [20:20:29] | <omega8cc> | not yet, it is not simple because using external file of config options would require to parse it and make sure it includes all recent changes etc, but it is doable of course |
| [20:21:24] | <mrfelton> | like an /etc/defaults file |
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| [20:22:07] | <mrfelton> | ok, I'll open a couple of thickets with these ideas anyway |
| [20:23:22] | <omega8cc> | thanks! |
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| [21:56:28] | <anarcat> | scrum in 5 |
| [21:58:19] | <anarcat> | darthsteven mig5 hadsie omega8cc sfyn shrop skwashd univate ergonlogic : scrum in 2 minutes |
| [21:59:23] | <anarcat> | one minute |
| [22:00:07] | <anarcat> | ignition sequence start... |
| [22:00:08] | <anarcat> | :) |
| [22:00:11] | <anarcat> | alright |
| [22:00:14] | * anarcat scrum time! |
| [22:00:17] | <anarcat> | hello people |
| [22:00:23] | <univate> | hello |
| [22:00:24] | <anarcat> | welcome to our morning weekly scrum |
| [22:00:29] | <omega8cc> | hi |
| [22:00:30] | <anarcat> | hey univate what's up |
| [22:00:47] | <anarcat> | alright |
| [22:00:58] | <anarcat> | so i don't have much to say for myself - i am about to leave for a long leave |
| [22:01:12] | <univate> | whats that state of the D7 port? |
| [22:01:17] | <anarcat> | i will be in europe for two months and will rarely work on computers, if i can afford it :) |
| [22:01:27] | <anarcat> | i will be back on october 1st and will start again from there |
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| [22:01:31] | <anarcat> | univate: i don't know! :) |
| [22:01:59] | <anarcat> | so our gsoc student is supposed to take care of that, but i didn't get any news from him since the evaluation |
| [22:02:02] | <anarcat> | which is really too bad |
| [22:02:06] | <anarcat> | i'll try to ping him by email now |
| [22:02:12] | <mig5> | anarcat: please send me an email before you go, re GSOC student |
| [22:02:15] | <mig5> | or cc me on that one ^^ |
| [22:02:25] | <anarcat> | alright, i'll do this right away |
| [22:02:53] | <anarcat> | other than that, i think that's it for me |
| [22:03:17] | <mig5> | nothing new from me, all my time atm is taken up by work and study |
| [22:03:59] | <anarcat> | alright, sounds like me except s/work and study/vacation/ ;) |
| [22:04:26] | <anarcat> | mig5: @gmail is okay? |
| [22:04:32] | <mig5> | sure |
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| [22:06:11] | <anarcat> | okay, anyone else? |
| [22:06:14] | <anarcat> | darthsteven: ping |
| [22:06:24] | <anarcat> | omega8cc: how are the cron jobs? |
| [22:07:03] | <darthsteven> | anarcat: pong! |
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| [22:07:08] | <anarcat> | ha! |
| [22:07:12] | <anarcat> | darthsteven: anything for the scrum? |
| [22:07:20] | <anarcat> | darthsteven: we need to coordinate for the training and the session |
| [22:07:32] | <darthsteven> | nothing for the scrum :( |
| [22:07:33] | <omega8cc> | anarcat: it works great, but it should probably go in 1.3 no? as it is a critical for all users |
| [22:07:42] | <anarcat> | darthsteven: ok |
| [22:07:53] | <anarcat> | darthsteven: i'm leaving the internets for a while on the 1st, so we would need to coordinate this week... email? |
| [22:08:09] | <anarcat> | omega8cc: well, not for *all*, the drush method works fine right? |
| [22:08:14] | <darthsteven> | anarcat: sure |
| [22:08:39] | <omega8cc> | yeah, so it is critical in 50% ;) |
| [22:08:40] | <anarcat> | okay |
| [22:08:53] | <anarcat> | i don't think i'll be making a 1.3 release now |
| [22:09:00] | <anarcat> | if someone else wants to, be my guest! |
| [22:09:16] | <omega8cc> | as long as we have crush method as default, it is fine |
| [22:09:23] | <omega8cc> | drush |
| [22:09:33] | <anarcat> | univate: so the d7 port is handled by seth.vincent's sandboxes on drupal.org, if you want to followup on that it would be great |
| [22:09:34] | <omega8cc> | uh, Lion autocorrection is crazy |
| [22:11:17] | <univate> | anarcat: ok i will try and track down what is there |
| [22:11:37] | <anarcat> | univate: can you give me your mail addy again |
| [22:14:39] | <univate> | looks like seth.vincents last commits to his sandbox projects were 5 weeks ago |
| [22:15:34] | <anarcat> | quite possible |
| [22:15:41] | <anarcat> | he kinda stalled on the project at some point |
| [22:15:49] | <anarcat> | i'll push him again now |
| [22:18:33] | <anarcat> | so what's the next scrum time? |
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| [22:18:51] | <anarcat> | i won't be coordinating the next ones until october 1st |
| [22:19:00] | <anarcat> | so we need someone to take that over, or we suspend those for a while |
| [22:19:54] | <mig5> | I don't think we agreed on a new time, i'll coordinate with darthsteven / omega8cc |
| [22:20:12] | <mig5> | if we can't agree on a good time we'll suspend them or rotate people |
| [22:20:20] | <anarcat> | ok |
| [22:20:26] | <mig5> | or i'll move to europe :) |
| [22:20:34] | <omega8cc> | :) |
| [22:21:23] | <omega8cc> | it should be easy to find good time for EU/AU |
| [22:23:12] | <mig5> | yeah |
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| [22:24:52] | <anarcat> | there was a time proposal here: http://community.aegirproject.org/discuss/new-scrum-time-our-gsoc-student |
| [22:28:50] | <omega8cc> | mig5: what time works best for you? morning, evening? |
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| [22:40:17] | <omega8cc> | so maybe http://bit.ly/qGhjDr ? |
| [22:40:57] | <mig5> | evening usually better for me |
| [22:41:13] | <omega8cc> | 7, 8 or 9 pm? |
| [22:41:23] | <mig5> | 8 or 9 is fine, that link above is fine with me |
| [22:41:27] | <mig5> | let's see what darthsteven says |
| [22:41:31] | <omega8cc> | k |
| [22:41:36] | <anarcat> | mig5: ping |
| [22:41:50] | <mig5> | pong |
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| [22:43:10] | <anarcat> | http://community.aegirproject.org/handbook/project-history |
| [22:44:06] | <mig5> | that's quite good! when did that appear |
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| [22:45:18] | <anarcat> | i just wrote it |
| [22:45:42] | <mig5> | nice |
| [22:45:51] | <mig5> | some of that would be good in the wikipedia page |
| [22:46:12] | <mig5> | (for those of you who missed it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aegir_Hosting_System ) |
| [22:46:19] | <anarcat> | yeah, that's why i wrote it |
| [22:46:58] | <mig5> | :) |
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| [22:47:47] | <omega8cc> | nice! |
| [22:48:30] | <mig5> | in other news, i rejoined twitter, and now feel dirty |
| [22:49:28] | <mig5> | and am studying for my OSCP, so if you find I discover any XSS or other holes in aegir, you know why :) http://www.offensive-security.com/online-information-security-training/p... |
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| [22:51:02] | <darthsteven> | mig5, omega8cc: 10AM UTC is fine with me |
| [22:52:07] | <omega8cc> | mig5: I already grabbed that book about security thanks to your tweets, so it is a good thing (™) |
| [22:54:18] | <omega8cc> | darthsteven, mig5: so let's change the scrum time to http://bit.ly/qGhjDr then for the summer |
| [22:54:31] | <darthsteven> | agreed |
| [22:56:43] | <juampy> | Hello everyone! I have been reading the documentation and, although I have not tested Aegir myself yet, I wanted to know if it works well with serveral servers, and if it can manage a cloud of servers with several sites on them |
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| [23:00:09] | <omega8cc> | juampy: http://community.aegirproject.org/node/217 http://community.aegirproject.org/node/30 |
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| [23:04:41] | <juampy> | omega8cc: great stuff, thanks |
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| [00:08:10] | <AquaticDisorder> | noticed aegir running slowly no probs indicated, deleted all old task nodes and whoosh flying along again, aegir moves in mysterious ways hehe =) |
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| [00:49:40] | <AquaticDisorder> | maybe I did have an old stuck task but just didn't realise, how does one check for a stuck task? links anyone plz? I don't see anything at all in aegir - logging and alerts, error reporting etc? |
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