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[19:44:20]<hefring>Git => Issue #913228 by Steven Jones: Fixed Unresponssive submit button in platform migratio... => http://drupalcode.org/project/hostmaster.git/commitdiff/f544c0d0b93a917d...
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[06:18:04]<metingul>hello to everyone
[06:18:55]<metingul>I broke to my VPS when I tring to insall Aegir
[06:19:06]<metingul>it had already plesk panel..
[06:19:28]<metingul>however, service provider just installed Debian as fresh and without Plesk
[06:19:47]<metingul>so I can broke it again :)
[06:20:54]<metingul>is there anyone volunteer help me for step 1
[06:21:19]<metingul>what is the mean of "Add the following line to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/aegir-stable.list:"
[06:22:47]<metingul>do I have to create a file that is named "aegir-stable.list" and tpye within file "deb http://debian.aegirproject.org stable main" ?
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[06:29:35]<NeoID>Hi, trying to install aegir using the debian-packages... it seems to go well and my hostname/uname gives me the correct name, but I get an 404-error when trying to access the url to my frontend. I also can't find any files related to aegir on my server except from /var/aegir/config wich has an emtpy config file. Any ideas? :)
[06:32:20]<NeoID>oh.. "* you are executing this script as your "aegir" user
[06:32:21]<NeoID>", I ran it as root
[06:37:23]<NeoID>hm.. now I found the files, so it seems the link between apache and aegir may be broken
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[06:48:00]<chaz|zzzz>NeoID: You have to create the link from /var/aegir/config/apache.conf to /etc/<webserver>/conf.d/aegir.conf . I think that is listed in the instructions.
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[06:53:13]<NeoID>chaz|zzzz, doesn't say anything about that at: http://community.aegirproject.org/installing/debian
[06:53:38]<chaz|zzzz>yeah, that one doesn't
[06:54:01]<chaz|zzzz>but the manual install lists the steps that are needed, and making the sym link is needed.
[06:54:16]<chaz|zzzz>check in your webserver conf dir for a conf file linked to aegir
[06:54:30]<chaz|zzzz>that is how aegir controls its vhosts
[06:54:49]<chaz|zzzz>aegir.conf is in conf.d which is included by apache/httpd.conf.
[06:55:30]<chaz|zzzz>aegir.conf includes pre/post/vhost.d files which have the actual virtual host instructions and that aegir manipulates
[06:55:45]<NeoID>well.. I have a apache.conf in "/var/aegir/config", but since it seems to be empty when opened, I guess I'll have to delete it and link it again... that should have been in the docs for auto-install too.. :)
[06:56:57]<metingul>hello and good day
[06:57:16]<metingul>I need help about automatic installation on Debian
[06:57:34]<metingul>I do not know exactly what do i have to do
[06:57:38]<NeoID>metingul, hehe, I'm doing the same now, what are you struggling with? :)
[06:57:59]<chaz|zzzz>neo, try to see how far the autoinstall got and pick up from there with the manual instructions.
[06:58:24]<chaz|zzzz>I found the manual instructions much easier to follow and let me know exactly whats going on under the hood.
[06:58:58]<NeoID>chaz|zzzz, ok, I ran a provisioning test and everything seems to be ok, so I guess it's the apache.conf in the aegir-dir that's corrupt
[06:58:58]<metingul>is there any easy way than automatic installation ? :D
[06:59:17]<NeoID>metingul, http://community.aegirproject.org/installing/manual
[06:59:20]<NeoID>:P
[07:00:01]<chaz|zzzz>neo++
[07:00:16]<NeoID>chaz|zzzz, I guess your right... reading it now and I see it's still using the debian-packages... so I'll start over trying the manual way :)
[07:00:35]<chaz|zzzz>debian/ubuntu is cute, but you're up the creek without a paddle of the autoinstall for something fails
[07:00:53]<chaz|zzzz>NeoID: You might not have to start from scratch
[07:01:27]<chaz|zzzz>try to get a good copy of apache.conf and throw it in your /var/aegir/config/ dir
[07:01:32]<NeoID>chaz|zzzz, I know, but I guess it's easier... since I'm on a virtual machine I can just revert back to the way it was before :)
[07:02:31]<NeoID>by the way. I'm very interested in understanding what all the files under the home/aegir/ does.. so I know what to look for/backup in case something breaks.. any good docs about the structure?
[07:03:26]<chaz|zzzz>I think I saw one on the aegirproject site- listed the files/dirs and perms as well as brief descriptions of their usage
[07:03:37]<chaz|zzzz>maybe google aegir file perms
[07:06:18]<NeoID>ok, thanks.. I'll give it a try
[07:06:24]<chaz|zzzz>I got aegir on up 2 RHEL boxes faster than on one Ubuntu server
[07:06:53]<NeoID>I'm not very familiar with linux, so I've just been using Debian
[07:07:10]<chaz|zzzz>I think a backup of /var/aegir will get everything data-wise, and a mysqldump
[07:07:35]<NeoID>currently I'm just running nginx and just what I need in order to have Drupal up and running
[07:07:58]<chaz|zzzz>why nginx? I'd start with apache.
[07:08:18]<chaz|zzzz>and move to nginx of you need something that apache doesn't offer.
[07:08:54]<NeoID>the reason I've been using it is that my VPS doesn't provide me with much RAM and the performance was way better (at least when I was playing around with it some years ago)
[07:09:10]<metingul>Is there anyone, if I give the root password who will install the aegir on Debian with Automatic installation? I am going to burn the server..
[07:09:26]<chaz|zzzz>I have a 512mb vps running 2 drupal sites under aegir and its fine
[07:09:35]<NeoID>metingul, I think chaz|zzzz is right, you should try the manual one
[07:10:26]<NeoID>chaz|zzzz, nice, mine has also 512MB, but I struggle somewhat... running about 5 sites
[07:10:28]<chaz|zzzz>met, install Centos on your VPS, then follow the Manual instructions for install. It walks you through the steps
[07:10:28]<metingul>I could not install by Auto, if I use manual the server will completely offline
[07:10:54]<metingul>chaz, can you try to install on Debian
[07:11:00]<NeoID>metingul, else you could try: https://github.com/omega8cc/nginx-for-drupal
[07:11:00]<metingul>may be I do some of mistake
[07:11:49]<NeoID>chaz|zzzz, do you know if there has been many changes to aegir since 0.2? I think that was the last time me trying to get it running... :P
[07:12:15]<chaz|zzzz>metingul: start with a fresh centos, then follow directions for the manual install that NeoID pasted 10 min. ago.
[07:12:28]<NeoID>hm.. centos...
[07:12:31]<chaz|zzzz>NeoID: I think there were, but I can't say for sure.
[07:12:56]<NeoID>maybe a stupid question, but what's the difference between centos and debian?
[07:13:01]<chaz|zzzz>well, I know there were, but I don't know specifics. probably in the web interface and the setup
[07:13:04]<metingul>I will try all of linux versions :D
[07:13:14]<metingul>I hope I will get result
[07:13:27]<chaz|zzzz>NeoID: they are two different distributions of linux
[07:13:45]<chaz|zzzz>so, they're both linux, but have their own variations of how they set things up.
[07:13:58]<chaz|zzzz>kind of like flavors of ice-cream
[07:14:04]<NeoID>yeah, your right
[07:14:13]<NeoID>how is it for beginners?
[07:14:22]<chaz|zzzz>mostly, files are located in slightly different locations, and the way to install/update things is different
[07:14:34]<chaz|zzzz>with google, its all the same (ish)
[07:14:36]<NeoID>...or people coming from debian?
[07:14:41]<NeoID>haha :)
[07:15:23]<chaz|zzzz>debian/ubuntu is very geared towards end users and simplified, but no more or less powerfull.
[07:16:18]<chaz|zzzz>if you have time, its worth playing with both
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[07:16:38]<NeoID>is it using a package-manager like apt-get?
[07:16:48]<chaz|zzzz>yes, yum
[07:16:50]<chaz|zzzz>or up2date
[07:16:59]<chaz|zzzz>but basically same, .deb's vs .rpms
[07:17:27]<chaz|zzzz>yum install <package> vs apt-get install <package>
[07:17:37]<NeoID>hmm ok :)
[07:17:49]<chaz|zzzz>and again, with google, you shouldn't have any trouble
[07:18:13]<chaz|zzzz>centos/RH instructions are pretty much identical, as are debian/ubuntu
[07:19:04]<NeoID>but it's more a question about what you prefer and not performance/stability?
[07:19:50]<chaz|zzzz>yes
[07:20:26]<chaz|zzzz>I think rhel has a longer history of enterprise level performance but debian/ubuntu are not far behind
[07:20:35]<NeoID>I'll stick to Debian for the moment as I've already installed it... Thanks alot about the suggestions, I'll check it out later :)
[07:20:49]<chaz|zzzz>yeah, it never hurts to know what is out there.
[07:21:04]<NeoID>true
[07:22:44]<chaz|zzzz>I started on RH in the 90's went ubuntu for a few years and now use both
[07:23:40]<chaz|zzzz>I don't think I know ubuntu's track record well enough to use it fulltime as a production server, but I have also not seen it fail any more or less than RH
[07:23:46]<chaz|zzzz>so, really personal preferences :+)
[07:24:01]<NeoID>:)
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[09:08:35]<joestewart>NeoID: 0.2 is ancient compared to the current aegir.
[09:08:59]<joestewart>in terms of ease of installation and stable features.
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[09:30:04]<NeoID>joestewart, cool, I'll continue the install tomorrow :)
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[09:36:53]<tema19009>hello!
[09:36:53]<hefring>hola
[09:38:16]<tema19009>probably a dumb question: what should be a "sitename" in hook_provision_apache_vhost_config() ?
[09:38:54]<tema19009>for example.com: example_com_provision_apache_vhost_config() ?
[09:39:13]<tema19009>or just example_provision_apache_vhost_config() ?
[09:42:02]<tema19009>see http://community.aegirproject.org/node/70 I'm stuck on this question
[09:46:05]* tema19009 help!
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[10:57:06]<NeoID>can I still use the debian packages for installing the hostmaster and such even though I follow the manual guide?
[10:57:29]<NeoID>I guess using the apt-get packages makes upgrading a lot easier?
[10:57:54]<chaz>NeoID: It 'can'
[10:58:20]<chaz>if they go wrong though, it 'can' be harder to figure out where to pick up