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[11:28:31]<HaloFX>Lately I have begun having a lot of trouble cloning or migrating sites to remote servers without disabling a bunch of modules. Entity and Context seem to be the roots, but this often requires disabling dozens that depend on them, like all of commerce!
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[00:29:28]<oxtub>I have just installed aegis using the manual install instructions on CentOS 6…when I drush hostmaster-install --debug, it is unable to bootstrap the database. Further investigation reveals that there are no SetEnv directives in /var/aegir/config/server_master/apache.conf . Anyone have a direction to point me in to figure out why that might be?
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[00:30:51]<chaz>are you running as the aegir user?
[00:31:14]<oxtub>Yep
[00:31:28]<oxtub>http://pastebin.com/hJf1BhbB
[00:36:31]<chaz>and you installed provision and drupal?
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[00:40:43]<oxtub>I installed drush 4.5 , used drush to download provision-6.x-1.5, then did drush postmaster-install --debug.
[00:40:53]<oxtub>*hostmaster
[00:47:18]<chaz>I think you might need to do "drush dl drupal" also (not 100% sure) so that you have a drupal installation to work from. I think i may be grossely misunderstanding the process though.
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[01:15:09]<chaz>Unless that is just so that you have a platform to play with once you get it up and running.
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[01:19:40]<oxtub>I'm pretty sure that drupal is in the postmaster profile.
[01:21:27]<ergonlogic>hmm... none of our sessions have (so far) been accepted at DCDenver, and our training proposal was turned down
[01:22:00]<mvc>:(
[01:23:47]<ergonlogic>I'm starting to wonder whether it'll even be worth going...
[01:26:42]<chaz>is denver hating on Aegir?
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[01:29:49]<oxtub>In the words of the great Muno, don
[01:29:54]<oxtub>'t stop, don't give up!
[01:32:58]<ergonlogic>apparently
[01:33:11]<ergonlogic>I mean one-line session descriptions got accepted
[01:33:21]<ergonlogic>I guess it pays to be a sponsor...
[01:33:32]<ergonlogic>me? bitter?
[01:34:03]<chaz>Its Open source man! who wants to play the sponsorship game. :+(
[01:34:05]<chaz>sheesh
[01:34:31]<ergonlogic>I saw one yesterday that had been accepted with a description of "PLACEHOLDER"
[01:34:37]<ergonlogic>fun
[01:35:07]<chaz>maybe they just don't understand aegir and are afraid of being out of their league.
[01:35:43]<ergonlogic>nah
[01:35:46]<chaz>I pushed very hard for drupal for a large datadriven/interactive site and got shut down for Wordpress as , "it has a nice user interface and is easy"
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[02:18:11]<anarcat>ergonlogic: your session was turned down too?
[02:18:15]<anarcat>ergonlogic: *and* the training?
[02:18:22]<anarcat>seems to me like a big "fuckit"
[02:18:27]<anarcat>maybe we can get a refund
[02:18:39]<ergonlogic>anarcat: yep
[02:18:45]<anarcat>i don't /need/ to go to denver, esp. if we're not going to present or train or anything
[02:19:02]<ergonlogic>there's still some "community" sessions that'll be chosen in January
[02:19:11]<ergonlogic>I feel the same
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[02:21:33]<ergonlogic>anarcat: refund? had we bought tickets already?
[02:22:28]<anarcat>ergonlogic: haven't we?
[02:22:32]<anarcat>i thought we registered
[02:23:03]<anarcat>maybe not
[02:23:08]<ergonlogic>I don't think so... the early-bird cutoff isn't for awhile yet...
[02:23:16]<ergonlogic>I could be wrong though
[02:23:16]<anarcat>at any rate, i think we should weigh in
[02:23:23]<anarcat>esp. since they offer it in the mail
[02:23:33]<anarcat>and that we have some clout in the community
[02:23:34]<ergonlogic>with the session track chairs you mean>
[02:23:35]<ergonlogic>?
[02:23:41]<anarcat>yeah, or with DC itself
[02:23:44]<anarcat>or the DA
[02:23:54]<ergonlogic>sure
[02:24:04]<anarcat>we're not the only ones that are frustrated by the process, core pillars like chx are pretty pissed too
[02:24:18]<anarcat>but maybe we need to turn around to the collective to see what everyone wants us to do too
[02:24:27]<ergonlogic>yeah, I didn;t see any sessions with his name either, come to think of it
[02:24:56]<anarcat>ergonlogic: he posted a comment publicly that he couldn't
[02:25:04]<ergonlogic>well, I see this as more of an Aegir thing than a Koumbit thing...
[02:25:11]<ergonlogic>ah
[02:25:16]<anarcat>ergonlogic: http://denver2012.drupal.org/comment/344#comment-344
[02:27:08]<ergonlogic>hmm
[02:27:14]<ergonlogic>take a look at http://denver2012.drupal.org/program/sessions/practical-responsive-devel...
[02:27:46]<ergonlogic>not to take anything away from JohnAlbin, but a one-line proposal was accepted?
[02:28:00]<ergonlogic>hardly seems in line with their published criteria
[02:28:16]<chaz>lets make our own drupal camp, free, and awesome.
[02:29:54]<anarcat>well, we're doing that in montreal :)
[02:29:57]<anarcat>and we're going to NYC
[02:30:03]<anarcat>so maybe we should focus on that
[02:32:34]<chaz>Oh! NYC, excitng
[02:32:51]<chaz>I went to drupal camp earlier this year, it was pretty sweet.
[02:33:05]<ergonlogic>wasn't there supposed to be some kind of voting? I never saw any widgets for it...
[02:33:43]<ergonlogic>do we have to be registered for the conference in order to vote?
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[02:39:38]<chaz>maybe you can't register until you vote :+)
[02:42:25]<spyd>check out this crazy pipeline:
[02:42:31]<spyd>ww
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[02:45:03]<anarcat>wwÉ
[02:45:05]<anarcat>ww?
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[02:45:17]<spyd>wrong window
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[02:46:48]<spyd>anarcat: when is drupalcampNYC?
[02:46:50]<chaz>I used to do that ^ ww, all the time when I used sirc for irc
[02:47:31]<anarcat>aah
[02:47:33]<anarcat>dec 10th
[02:47:52]<spyd>oh my. sooner than i thought- won't be making it this year, i'm afraid
[02:48:50]<chaz>anarcat, really? where?
[02:50:24]<anarcat>chaz: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=drupalcamp+nyc+2011
[02:50:57]<anarcat>second link down
[02:51:03]<anarcat>John Jay College in Manhattan
[02:51:54]<spyd>doh! should've added the '2011' keyword when i googled it (sorry)
[02:52:00]<chaz>wouldn't that have been easier to say than the lmgtfy cleverness? :+)
[02:52:31]<anarcat>chaz: well, i guess i'm getting tired of stating the obvious
[02:52:42]<anarcat>chaz: you know that *I* actually had to go on google to find that information
[02:53:21]<anarcat>chaz: so yeah, it would have been easier for me and you for me to just say the thing
[02:53:33]<anarcat>but the again, it would have been easier for me to just ignore your request
[02:53:48]<anarcat>... moving on.
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[06:30:20]<AquaticDisorder>truly sorry to hear about DC woes guys, you lot deserve better - y'all put in a tons of much appreciated awesome work and take the time to help us learnies out no end with docs and support!
[06:30:45]<AquaticDisorder>ergonlogic: seriously wtf http://denver2012.drupal.org/program/sessions/practical-responsive-devel...
[06:30:57]<chaz>AquaticDisorder++
[06:31:11]<AquaticDisorder>questions answered=same as title
[06:31:23]<ergonlogic>sigh...
[06:33:59]<AquaticDisorder>ergonlogic: “First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” Mahatma Ghandi
[06:34:19]<ergonlogic>I like to *think* we're working on an important project... at least within the Drupal community
[06:34:33]<ergonlogic>sorry, kinda feeling sorry for myself today
[06:34:50]<AquaticDisorder>not at all I am in complete disbelief
[06:35:15]<ergonlogic>well, anarcat had suggested we argue our case
[06:35:18]<chaz>+ergonlogic, yes, you guys are. I have a job because of the kind of work you guys do!
[06:35:22]<AquaticDisorder>aegir is totally awesome!
[06:35:57]<ergonlogic>I think it would still be good to not respond out of anger and frustration though, so maybe Monday
[06:36:16]<AquaticDisorder>indeed
[06:38:30]<ergonlogic>thanks for the support folks
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[07:16:53]<omega8cc>darthsteven: hey, I just realized there are never committed Nginx patches still waiting in the queue and what is even worse, some previous fixes got reverted (no idea how that happened), so expect some urgent patches from you tomorrow to get it included in the upcoming release. Of course I have to re-roll all of them because of recent changes in the dir/files tree structure in Provision
[07:17:32]<darthsteven>the file structure hasn't changed in 6.x-1.x
[07:17:34]<omega8cc>doh! from me* - of course
[07:17:47]<darthsteven>but sure, I'll happily look
[07:19:08]<omega8cc>darthsteven: so next release will be based on 6.x-1.x ?? that sounds weird, it was always based on 6.x-2.x
[07:19:19]<darthsteven>no
[07:19:24]<darthsteven>it was always 1.x
[07:19:31]<darthsteven>we've never done a 6.x-2.x release
[07:19:36]<darthsteven>that would be madness!
[07:19:48]<omega8cc>wait
[07:20:14]<omega8cc>head was 6.x-2.x, while 6.x-1.x was stable, right?
[07:20:49]<omega8cc>so I'm lost probably, or ahead of time ;)
[07:20:52]<darthsteven>ermmm
[07:20:59]<darthsteven>6.x-1.x is stable, yes
[07:21:12]<darthsteven>6.x-2.x is a wild west of unstable development
[07:21:25]<anarcat>darthsteven: hey what's up
[07:21:27]<omega8cc>so head
[07:21:29]<anarcat>darthsteven: what's AUX projects?
[07:21:50]<anarcat>yeah, 2.x is "head"
[07:21:56]<anarcat>but we really do not have a "master" branch
[07:22:04]<darthsteven>anarcat: 'Aegir User Experience'
[07:22:27]<darthsteven>omega8cc: what is 'head'? I'm not sure what we have git HEAD set to these days?
[07:22:36]<omega8cc>darthsteven: so you are backporting only some fixes from head to 6.x-1.x and then release from 6.x-1.x? doh..
[07:22:51]<darthsteven>anarcat: mostly my personal hit list of annoying Aegir UX issues
[07:23:10]<anarcat>cool
[07:23:20]<darthsteven>omega8cc: well, actually at the moment its more like fix them in 6.x-1.x and then forward port them
[07:23:27]<anarcat>seeing this, i fantasize about a tag cloud for our projects
[07:23:45]<darthsteven>hefring: log pointer?
[07:23:46]<hefring>http://hefring.mig5.net/bot/log/aegir/2011-11-18#T141347
[07:25:19]<omega8cc>I believe 6.x-2.x is our "head" for D6 based Aegir, (it was 7.x before you committed real D7 stuff there and then moved the "head" to 6.x-2.x effectively) no?
[07:26:11]<anarcat>that's true though
[07:26:14]<anarcat>we need to document this shit
[07:26:51]<anarcat>http://community.aegirproject.org/node/187
[07:26:54]<anarcat>this article is a mess
[07:26:59]<anarcat>the release cycle shit seems out of place
[07:27:23]<anarcat>should probably be moved here: http://community.aegirproject.org/node/32
[07:27:31]<anarcat>maybe i should do instead of talk
[07:28:34]<darthsteven>apologies for not documenting it
[07:28:49]<darthsteven>I can try to tidy up that page over the weekend
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[07:29:41]<darthsteven>hefring: tell ergonlogic that John Albin was a 'preselected' speaker I think, so he didn't have to submit a session proposal as such
[07:29:44]<hefring>darthsteven: I'll pass that on when ergonlogic is around.
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[08:05:28]<ergonlogic>darthsteven: yeah... I was just frustrated
[08:05:28]<hefring>ergonlogic: 35 min 47 sec ago <darthsteven> tell ergonlogic that John Albin was a 'preselected' speaker I think, so he didn't have to submit a session proposal as such
[08:07:40]<anarcat>darthsteven: working on that page now
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[08:28:23]<anarcat>alright, refreshed the shit
[08:28:24]<anarcat>http://community.aegirproject.org/content/branch-and-tagging-conventions
[08:28:28]<anarcat>http://community.aegirproject.org/content/release-process
[08:28:39]<anarcat>basically moved the release cycle section tot he other page
[08:30:15]<anarcat>omega8cc / darthsteven : i also added a summary of the branches here: http://community.aegirproject.org/content/branch-and-tagging-conventions...
[08:30:19]<anarcat>let me know if i'm way out
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[08:48:14]<omega8cc>anarcat: this looks correct and in sync with reality, thanks!
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[09:47:56]<AquaticDisorder>omega8cc: which branch would an octopus satellite be using when tuned to HEAD with BOND 6.x-2.x ?
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[09:54:26]<omega8cc>AquaticDisorder: BOA is using Aegir "head" so 6.x-2.x, but recent changes (Symfony) are not yet in BOA head - or rather they are only in the gitorious mirror for testing, however it works just fine so we will push it to BOA head in all mirrors soon - yes, we are crazy :)
[09:56:57]<omega8cc>AquaticDisorder: also, there is no 6.x-2.x branch/option in BOA or BOND, it is either latest 1.4S or head (which is Aegir 6.x-2.x as explained above)
[10:00:05]<AquaticDisorder>lmfao, yh I wondered if the option meant BOA HEAD or Aegir HEAD cool thnx! q8)
[10:00:59]<AquaticDisorder>omega8cc: that explains the 1.4s !
[10:03:43]<AquaticDisorder>omega8cc: I better dig out my cowboy hat and six shooter then lol!
[10:04:01]<omega8cc>AquaticDisorder: correct, but I guess we should make it clear that it is not really Aegir "stable", especially after introducing Symfony
[10:04:04]<omega8cc>haha
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[10:05:20]* AquaticDisorder of to google symfony
[10:06:33]<omega8cc>it is in Drupal 8 core now, and now also in the Provision head - thanks to darthsteven
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[10:08:45]<omega8cc>see http://drupalcode.org/project/provision.git/commit/3f2403b
[10:09:48]<AquaticDisorder>so that replaces php-fpm in BOA then?
[10:14:52]<AquaticDisorder>nm I get it
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