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| [11:07:07] | <AquaticDisorder> | ergonlogic: to help channel discussions thought it might be an idea to set up a couple of user groups on cao maybe, e.g 'redhat_users' 'centos_users' 'remote server' |
| [11:08:09] | <AquaticDisorder> | that way it would be easier to find out if what your after has already been discussed, just food for thought though :) |
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| [11:15:42] | <teeyza> | WHOOHOO i got it working |
| [11:15:57] | <teeyza> | apache config wasnt getting pulled in from aegir |
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| [18:44:43] | <mig5> | ergonlogic or anarcat: ping |
| [18:44:56] | <mig5> | oh - stupid hour |
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| [19:06:17] | <eft> | mig5: yeah - they be tucked up in bed by now |
| [19:07:13] | <eft> | it ain't cheese o'clock in Quebec |
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| [19:25:29] | <mig5> | no matter |
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| [20:50:17] | <halcyonCorsair> | mig5: ping |
| [20:52:46] | <mig5> | halcyonCorsair: pong-ish |
| [20:53:32] | <halcyonCorsair> | mig5: hey, just skimmed over your zero-touch whitepaper |
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| [20:55:52] | <halcyonCorsair> | mig5: was wondering around a couple of specifics, eg. how much do you track in code? just a drush make file, a whole codebase, or somewhere in between? |
| [20:56:26] | <mig5> | myself personally, just a makefile, because i don't really build proper sites :) |
| [20:56:37] | <mig5> | most other clients have incidentally kept the entire codebase, core included, in a big git repo |
| [20:56:57] | <mig5> | but it makes more sense to me to 'compartmentalise' bits into different repos and use drush make |
| [20:57:05] | <halcyonCorsair> | right |
| [20:57:11] | <mig5> | i consider that a minor detail.. you either drush make it or you git clone the whole lot |
| [20:57:14] | <halcyonCorsair> | do you use zero-touch to deploy to aegir? |
| [20:57:15] | <mig5> | makes no difference |
| [20:57:25] | <mig5> | not officially |
| [20:57:31] | <mig5> | only for myself |
| [20:57:41] | <mig5> | none of my current clients use aegir |
| [20:57:53] | <halcyonCorsair> | ah |
| [20:58:31] | <mig5> | as of today, mig5.net and about 4 others are deployed from a makefile each, using that same code, to an aegir system :) |
| [20:58:39] | <mig5> | but they are simple little sites |
| [20:59:01] | <mig5> | you did see the screencast/article on zero-touch for aegir right? |
| [20:59:05] | <mig5> | not just going off my whitepaper? |
| [20:59:15] | <halcyonCorsair> | haven't seen the screencast yet |
| [20:59:26] | <halcyonCorsair> | i skimmed over the article, but need to go back to it |
| [20:59:52] | <mig5> | it's basically https://github.com/mig5/aegir_cid |
| [21:00:00] | <mig5> | jenkins calls the deployment.sh which loops over tasks in the fabfile.py |
| [21:00:19] | <mig5> | those two files do the entire deployment + migration of a site within aegir |
| [21:00:31] | <mig5> | and even initial installation of a site, if it's the first ever build |
| [21:03:26] | <halcyonCorsair> | how do you handle the case where the site migrates, but an updatedb fails, or a feature won't revert or something? manual intervention? |
| [21:04:49] | <mig5> | yep - but aegir ought to detect a failed updatedb and roll back itself |
| [21:04:58] | <mig5> | not always perfect though |
| [21:05:33] | <mig5> | but that's a problem even without aegir. normally a drush updatedb fails, it doesn't affect the live site, because (as in aegir), that's one of the last things to happen, before actually taking the change live |
| [21:05:45] | <mig5> | if it fials, the job should abort before that new version of the site went live |
| [21:05:48] | <mig5> | fails* |
| [21:06:02] | <mig5> | so you can fix your dodgy hook_update and build again until you get it right |
| [21:08:03] | <halcyonCorsair> | segueing to a slightly different topic, do you still use aegir_ci? |
| [21:08:49] | <mig5> | not in that form really. we use it every day in aegir dev, but it has taken on form of provision tests refactored in php by darthsteven |
| [21:08:54] | <mig5> | still implements libcloud in the same way though |
| [21:09:02] | <mig5> | every time we commit to the project, something like that code runs |
| [21:09:27] | <halcyonCorsair> | i was wondering why you used fabric to setup some system stuff vs. puppet |
| [21:09:43] | <mig5> | simpler / can take arguments better |
| [21:09:55] | <mig5> | / i knew less about puppet back then |
| [21:10:04] | <halcyonCorsair> | right |
| [21:10:08] | <mig5> | yes these days i wouldn't be apt-get installing postfix etc like i do there |
| [21:10:13] | <mig5> | i'd be puppetising first |
| [21:10:24] | <halcyonCorsair> | with preseed/template i assume? |
| [21:10:27] | <mig5> | i'm not good at keeping old code up to date for others :) |
| [21:10:31] | <mig5> | yeah mainly templating. |
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| [21:12:18] | <mig5> | fabric.run("sed -i s/'memory_limit = 32M'/'memory_limit = 256M'/ /etc/php5/cli/php.ini", pty=True) |
| [21:12:24] | <mig5> | brr yes that is all puppet these days :) |
| [21:12:34] | <mig5> | you should look at ergonlogic's vaegrant and aegir-up stuff |
| [21:12:42] | <mig5> | he's done a lot of good work puppetising aegir |
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| [21:13:27] | <halcyonCorsair> | i had a look a while ago/am using some of it, i had slight issue with him not using modules though |
| [21:13:41] | <mig5> | patch it! :) |
| [21:13:51] | <mig5> | think he does us modules now |
| [21:14:05] | <mig5> | https://github.com/ergonlogic/aegir-up/tree/master/modules |
| [21:15:47] | <halcyonCorsair> | ahh, hadn't seen that repo |
| [21:16:18] | <halcyonCorsair> | back to 0td, what sorts of things do you consider shared assets? and do you symlink away your files directory in aegir? |
| [21:17:17] | <mig5> | mainly files dir i consider shared assets. i don't symlink it, because aegir is smart enough to carry it along on each migration. obviously that would differ if you were doing multi-server clustering, but i haven't thought that far ahead and neither has aegir as a whole really |
| [21:17:34] | <mig5> | for non-aegir zero-touch it's different, because you don't 'migrate' an instance of a site between platforms |
| [21:17:53] | <mig5> | you build a whole thing each time including the site's dir, and you then fix up symlinks etc for files dir |
| [21:18:15] | <halcyonCorsair> | right |
| [21:18:17] | <mig5> | and then swap the 'live' symlink that represents the DocumentRoot in the apache config, to point to that latest build |
| [21:19:57] | <halcyonCorsair> | i'm doing aegir with multi-server at the moment, but it's currently broken, re: sharing files, i have (currently non-working) patches to for a quick fix, but haven't had time to complete |
| [21:20:08] | <halcyonCorsair> | so cloning and migration are currently busted |
| [21:20:20] | <mig5> | yay |
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| [21:22:25] | <mig5> | i've never used the cluster stuff |
| [21:22:52] | <mig5> | it was baked in by the chapter three guys while they were trying to wrangle Pantheon to have an aegir backend, at least that is how i recall it, looking back |
| [21:22:54] | <halcyonCorsair> | it mostly works, except for shared files. and a few other minor bugs |
| [21:23:02] | <mig5> | they went a different way so kind of abandoned it |
| [21:23:27] | <mig5> | yeah there's no logic built in to simply 'ignore' the files dir, which i think is all it needs to do |
| [21:24:28] | <mig5> | the other thing i used to consider a 'shared' or 'needs symlinks' file, was the settings.php, in a non aegir setup |
| [21:24:45] | <mig5> | but it meant the settings.php was not being kept in source control, which could be useful in non-aegir setups |
| [21:25:08] | <mig5> | so went a different way and have a settings.php.$branch which fabric copies into place as the 'live' settings.php on each build |
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| [21:25:28] | <halcyonCorsair> | oh yeah, was gonna ask about that, what do you do with settings.php for different environments for non-aegir? |
| [21:25:38] | <halcyonCorsair> | not puppet? |
| [21:25:42] | <mig5> | nah |
| [21:26:01] | <mig5> | i haven't managed any site-specific stuff with puppet, i just mainly use it for package / config management at the server level |
| [21:26:09] | <mig5> | i probably should |
| [21:26:57] | <mig5> | but puppet is one of those things that feel difficult for really specific stuff: e.g it is faster to abstract in fabric for many different sites - but if they all use the same sort of mysql config, then the mysql config makes sense to go in puppet |
| [21:27:13] | <halcyonCorsair> | sidebar, re: aegir sites and file locations, eg. sites/<url>/files/<path>/filename.type <-- preventing clients from linking to files on a staging/content loading url? or do you just use private files? or? |
| [21:27:23] | <mig5> | i know others that put everything in puppet, like the virtualhost configs per site.. i'm not one of those people, perhaps it's a personal choice / foolishness |
| [21:28:11] | <mig5> | well i don't really deploy sites that either share staging + prod on the same box, or share with other clients |
| [21:28:21] | <mig5> | certainly not the former: and for the latter, i don't use multisite |
| [21:28:46] | <mig5> | so i guess i ignore those problems :) |
| [21:28:51] | <halcyonCorsair> | heh |
| [21:29:17] | <mig5> | none of my non-aegir clients use multisite.. and i have no real aegir-using clients :) |
| [21:29:53] | <halcyonCorsair> | and i gotta ask...do you roll varnish / boost up the wazoo, or just low traffic? because i'm pretty much all nginx these days, apache seems like madness to me |
| [21:30:04] | <mig5> | building a libcloud/puppet based tool atm using my madelon program, that builds 3 servers per client on a webform submission |
| [21:30:13] | <mig5> | test, stage and live |
| [21:30:29] | <mig5> | yeah i use varnish + nginx pretty much everywhere |
| [21:30:38] | <mig5> | not used nginx with aegir though |
| [21:31:43] | <halcyonCorsair> | varnish3? |
| [21:32:09] | <mig5> | 2.1 mainly i think |
| [21:32:34] | <mig5> | the default in debian |
| [21:32:58] | <halcyonCorsair> | btw, wow...ergonologic has modularized but in what i'd consider a but of a nutty way :) |
| [21:33:11] | <mig5> | it's not finished that's for sure |
| [21:33:30] | <halcyonCorsair> | eg. things like mysql, php, etc in a flat class |
| [21:33:39] | <mig5> | hehe i still do that :) |
| [21:33:41] | <halcyonCorsair> | and the modules modularizing puppet executing a lot of commands |
| [21:33:42] | <mig5> | i'm a noob |
| [21:33:56] | <halcyonCorsair> | our sysadmins would have a fit, haha |
| [21:34:18] | <halcyonCorsair> | interesting though |
| [21:39:13] | <mig5> | i learnt puppet in a rush about 9 months ago and have not had time to catch up and learn how to do it properly |
| [21:39:24] | <mig5> | i did get the pro puppet book last week though |
| [21:39:33] | <mig5> | now need time to read it.. then learn it.. then refactor.. |
| [21:39:40] | <halcyonCorsair> | sort of learning it in a rush now |
| [21:40:08] | <halcyonCorsair> | i know pretty much nothing about fabric, other than it seems to be something i might want (that, or capistrano) |
| [21:40:49] | <halcyonCorsair> | how much does fabric demand in terms of privileges for remote operations? |
| [21:41:17] | <mig5> | it's just ssh, it works with what you give it |
| [21:41:42] | <mig5> | you define a remote user, or it presumes the same as the local one |
| [21:41:56] | <mig5> | it has sudo() function as well as the standard run(), put() |
| [21:43:44] | <halcyonCorsair> | hmm |
| [21:45:13] | <halcyonCorsair> | i think i could really go to town with some of this :) |
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| [21:47:42] | <mig5> | there's nothing special in fab as opposed to cap, i just prefer writing python |
| [21:47:43] | <mig5> | :) |
| [21:48:10] | <halcyonCorsair> | i'm a github noop, can i get it to digest/tell me about all the stuff ppl i'm watching are doing? |
| [21:48:26] | <mig5> | the main dashboard does that i believe |
| [21:48:33] | <mig5> | both for projects you watch as well as people you follow |
| [21:48:56] | <mig5> | unless it's changed. i don't look at it much |
| [21:58:55] | <halcyonCorsair> | hmm, your aegir_cid is quite informative also |
| [21:59:20] | <halcyonCorsair> | we had a sort of platform CI script going, but it was a pain because i think we were using some of the wrong drush commands to do things |
| [21:59:53] | <mig5> | there's still bugs in command-line-only aegir, i work around them in that code a bit |
| [21:59:57] | <mig5> | but it works |
| [22:00:32] | <halcyonCorsair> | pet peeve -- commands failing/rolling back but returning an exit status of 0! |
| [22:01:41] | <mig5> | :) |
| [22:01:54] | <mig5> | pet peeve: puppet commands returning codes *other* than 0 when they mean success |
| [22:02:08] | <mig5> | i forget which one it was, but it's ludicrous, like code 255 or something, for a totally normal action |
| [22:02:40] | <halcyonCorsair> | haven't seen that yet :) |
| [22:02:54] | <halcyonCorsair> | anyway, i think i just turning into a pumpkin |
| [22:04:03] | <halcyonCorsair> | but tomorrow i'm gonna have a crack at taking aegir_cid and making things awesome |
| [22:04:09] | <halcyonCorsair> | at work |
| [22:05:08] | <mig5> | i wish i had named that repo aegir_zero_touch now :) |
| [22:05:14] | <mig5> | aegir_ci and aegir_cid, what was i thinking |
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| [22:08:27] | <halcyonCorsair> | perhaps better: zero_touch with aegir & standalone submodules? :) |
| [22:08:35] | <shonk> | mig5: ping |
| [22:09:23] | <halcyonCorsair> | hmm, aegir needs cloud integration if success is to happen i think |
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| [01:37:51] | <anarcat> | mig5: pong |
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| [02:22:27] | <ergonlogic> | AquaticDisorder: you mean turn atrium_groups back on? |
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| [08:08:11] | <mig5> | hey anarcat |
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| [08:13:16] | <anarcat> | mig5: yo |
| [08:13:49] | <mig5> | anarcat: wondering if I can get a copy of yours or ergonlogic's slides from Drupalcamp Montreal 2010, the one that looks like lord of the rings :) |
| [08:14:09] | <mig5> | i need to prepare slides for an aegir talk and i'm shit at making them look pretty |
| [08:15:35] | <anarcat> | mig5: that should be online somewhere, but sure |
| [08:15:44] | <anarcat> | i am rather busy now, ping me again in 10 min if i forget |
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| [08:16:57] | <mig5> | no prob thanks |
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| [08:24:00] | <anarcat> | alright let's see |
| [08:24:49] | <anarcat> | mig5: this is ergonlogic's - http://community.aegirproject.org/presentation/slidedecks/drupalcon-lond... |
| [08:25:52] | <anarcat> | mig5: and try this for mine: http://anarcat.ath.cx/pr%C3%A9sentations/aegir-drupalcamp2010.html |
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| [08:26:16] | <anarcat> | mig5: but i think that ergonlogic's is better |
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| [08:35:15] | <mig5> | anarcat: thanks! |
| [08:37:04] | <mig5> | oh hardcore, all rst and html :) |
| [08:37:28] | <mig5> | much easier |
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| [08:46:52] | <anarcat> | yeah |
| [08:46:56] | <anarcat> | hardcore is the word |
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| [10:19:32] | <AquaticDisorder> | maybe, but perhaps only cao admins should add new groups? that's why I asked 'why' it was turned of, tbh I was aware you inherited from devseed as such :) |
| [10:19:49] | <AquaticDisorder> | ergonlogic: ^^ |
| [10:25:30] | <mig5> | it was very much designed to be a groupless atrium site |
| [10:25:38] | <mig5> | i guess it was never anticipated that groups would be relevant |
| [10:27:08] | <AquaticDisorder> | yeah, I was just pondering on how to make the discussions easier to search, as right now it's one long list thats all :) |
| [10:29:03] | <AquaticDisorder> | obviously there's the docs which are very good but I figured it might be useful for folks veering off 'standard' aegir usage, i.e remote servers etc |
| [10:30:39] | <AquaticDisorder> | I know you guys don't need more work, I was just thinking out loud! :) |
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| [10:30:56] | <lostbit> | hello |
| [10:30:57] | <hefring> | que tal |
| [10:31:11] | <lostbit> | im having some problems in aegir. |
| [10:31:27] | <lostbit> | namely, im taking a full website from another host to aegir |
| [10:31:33] | <lostbit> | im following the documentation |
| [10:31:58] | <lostbit> | everything works fine with the exception of db credentials |
| [10:32:57] | <lostbit> | after the import of the site (wich i changed from sites/default to site/domain.com) |
| [10:33:22] | <lostbit> | the db credentials in /var/aegir/config/...../vhost/domain.com are empty |
| [10:33:37] | <lostbit> | i correct those manually and the site works. |
| [10:34:16] | <lostbit> | however several aegir actions, like verify, clone and migrate fails due to db access failing. |
| [10:34:28] | <lostbit> | any idea what am i doing wrong? |
| [10:37:32] | <AquaticDisorder> | lostbit: when you say 'db credentials' you don't mean username and password right? |
| [10:38:33] | <lostbit> | yes and another tech stuff like db type,hosname. |
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| [10:41:22] | <AquaticDisorder> | not sure but I think you may want the sites drushrc.php, and there's a settings.php |
| [10:42:00] | <lostbit> | hmm, ok |
| [10:42:20] | <lostbit> | this is only happening with imported sites, i cant do much with them |
| [10:42:30] | <lostbit> | any deployed site from aegir works just great |
| [10:42:48] | <AquaticDisorder> | /var/aegir/platforms/yourplatform/yoursite/drushrc.php |
| [10:42:57] | <lostbit> | i will check if that file is there |
| [10:43:03] | <ergonlogic> | AquaticDisorder: I'd prefer using taxonomy or something |
| [10:43:57] | <ergonlogic> | We could add an 'architecture' vocabulary maybe |
| [10:44:09] | <AquaticDisorder> | ergonlogic: yeah I did think perhaps tagging via taxonomy would be an option |
| [10:44:20] | <ergonlogic> | but it would still depend on people using it... |
| [10:44:23] | <mig5> | we used to do that on a lot of pages |
| [10:45:01] | <lostbit> | AquaticDisorder: ok, no credentials in drush.php, im going to correct that |
| [10:45:02] | <mig5> | yeah falls into dis-use |
| [10:45:24] | <lostbit> | im wondering if there is a way to set them up on import though |
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| [10:47:36] | <AquaticDisorder> | lostbit: have you seen omega8cc's article http://omega8.cc/import-your-sites-to-aegir-in-8-easy-steps-109 it may be helpful |
| [10:50:32] | <lostbit> | no i havent saw that, will read it. you solved my problema though, i was just setting credentials in aegir confs not on drush.php |
| [10:51:15] | <lostbit> | i was having another problem, let me check if it still happens |
| [10:52:58] | <AquaticDisorder> | I'm no expert but I don't think you should add dbcredentials in vhost though |
| [10:55:01] | <AquaticDisorder> | ergonlogic: one for the back burner lol :) |
| [10:55:09] | <lostbit> | hmm, sites deployed by aegir do it. |
| [10:55:12] | <lostbit> | im mean on /var/aegir/config/server_master/apache/vhost.d |
| [10:56:15] | <AquaticDisorder> | that's what I meant sorry! |
| [10:57:09] | <lostbit> | from what i understand i need credentials in vhost and drush.pho for everything to works well |
| [10:58:17] | <AquaticDisorder> | afaik aegir doesn't put db username and password in the vhost.d |
| [10:59:28] | <lostbit> | mine is doing it |
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| [10:59:44] | <lostbit> | with every site i create or clone |
