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| [00:31:21] | <sbn_> | Backup of an Aegir site: Anyone knows if it's possible to download the backup files located in /var/aegir/backups using the web interface somehow? It would be nice if the customers want to manage their own sites based on the code base from github but needs the site data to do so... |
| [00:49:08] | <bgm> | sbn_: a symlink is done in /var/aegir/clients/[...]/backups/ |
| [00:49:23] | <bgm> | (if you use the "clients" functionality) |
| [00:51:18] | <sbn_> | Thanks i'll take a look at the clients stuff |
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| [00:53:07] | <ergonlogic> | bgm: are you running 6.x-2.x? |
| [00:53:23] | <ergonlogic> | has http://drupal.org/node/1047992 been backported to 1.x? |
| [00:53:24] | <hefring> | http://drupal.org/node/1047992 => exportable backups => Hostmaster (Aegir), User interface, normal, closed (fixed), 13 comments, 1 IRC mention |
| [00:55:32] | <bgm> | ergonlogic: i'm on 1.x i think (debian packages). that code is what i was referring to |
| [00:56:04] | <ergonlogic> | bgm: ok, cool... I hadn;t realized it was in 6.x-1.x |
| [00:57:24] | <bgm> | for clients with sftp-chroot access, it's pretty useful |
| [00:57:38] | <bgm> | but i forgot why we can't have that available from the web |
| [00:58:00] | <bgm> | ah, because www-data can't read from /var/aegir/backup, too much of a security issue |
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| [01:02:35] | <ergonlogic> | bgm: so http://drupal.org/node/1047992#comment-4040056 was never implemented then? |
| [01:02:36] | <hefring> | http://drupal.org/node/1047992 => exportable backups => Hostmaster (Aegir), User interface, normal, closed (fixed), 13 comments, 2 IRC mentions |
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| [01:04:11] | <bgm> | ergonlogic: afaik no, and probably my fault, since i suggested #10 as a secondary option, but only that was implemented |
| [01:04:12] | <sbn> | bgm: What if the backup files are being read by a PHP script that runs as aegir - and outputs the content to the apache - IF the permissions allows it? |
| [01:05:29] | <bgm> | sbn: if the file is readable by apache, then any site running on your server can access it? |
| [01:06:36] | <bgm> | having a task to download a backup, might be nice |
| [01:06:38] | <sbn> | what if the file is not directly available, but the file contents could be proxied through a script which is running as aegir user, and providing the file contents to apache? |
| [01:06:58] | <sbn> | yes that's what I thought of… |
| [01:07:00] | <bgm> | run the task, it creates a symlink/hardlink to the user's files directory, user downloads, symlink is deleted |
| [01:07:33] | <bgm> | another site could intercept this, but in a small window.. |
| [01:08:52] | <bgm> | sbn: if you want to give it a shot, i'm sure people will be happy to test, you can create a thread on community.aegirproject.org |
| [01:09:29] | <sbn> | well |
| [01:09:44] | <bgm> | the idea of having a proxy running sounds a bit risky though. the proxy can crash, and it makes a new attack vector |
| [01:10:21] | <sbn> | if I use clients, could it then be a solution to make a linux user xxxx that have access to /var/aegir/clients/xxxx ? |
| [01:11:46] | <bgm> | sbn: you can use sftp-chroot to give them access only to a specific part of your filesystem |
| [01:12:22] | <sbn> | thanks i'll take a look at that |
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| [01:13:21] | <bgm> | considering that Drupal 6 databases contain poorly secured password hashes, imho, sftp is the best option for transferring database dumps. + users emails and other personnal info. |
| [01:18:12] | <sbn> | yes of course |
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| [01:20:51] | <sbn> | so - the approach is to install the sftp-chroot and then create a linux user, with no special permissions - and it would have read access to the backups (and all other stuff in the sites/xxxxxx folder ? |
| [01:21:25] | <bgm> | sbn: no, only to /var/aegir/clients/[clientname]/ |
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| [01:22:05] | <sbn> | yes and in the /client it has access to the backups and the site specific files, I see.... |
| [01:22:11] | <bgm> | (i'm checking the conf on a server to confirm) |
| [01:22:15] | <bgm> | yep |
| [01:22:45] | <bgm> | users are in a "sftponly" group so that the ssh config is easier to implement |
| [01:22:46] | <sbn> | i guess it would be too much of a hassle if I should also let the site owners upload additional themes and modules? i can see that aegir is the only user with write access by default…. |
| [01:23:05] | <bgm> | sbn: it opens a pretty big security whole, you have to trust users |
| [01:23:45] | <bgm> | sbn: drupal modules are bootstrapped by drush, so when the aegir user runs site tasks, the custom modules/themes are bootstrapped |
| [01:23:52] | <sbn> | what opens the hole? the site owner upload ability? or the read only access we were talking about? |
| [01:24:02] | <bgm> | so any code in there gets executed as the aegir user, who basically has access to everything |
| [01:24:10] | <bgm> | write access |
| [01:24:21] | <bgm> | allowing users to upload modules/themes |
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| [01:25:17] | <sbn> | yes - i see… i'll tell the guys that if they want special modules/themes, they must clone the project from GIT themselves and install it on another server - and then download the backup using SFTP |
| [01:25:53] | <bgm> | although to be honest, at koumbit for example, they allow "trusted" clients to upload stuff |
| [01:26:33] | <bgm> | it's still delicate though, and doesn't scale |
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| [01:30:31] | <ergonlogic> | sbn: for reference, I believe bgm is referring to this issue: http://drupal.org/node/762138 |
| [01:30:31] | <hefring> | http://drupal.org/node/762138 => Design security issue with developer access to sites' modules and themes => Provision, Code, major, active, 31 comments, 1 IRC mention |
| [01:31:14] | <ergonlogic> | bgm: I'd experimented with sftp-chroot, but iirc, the chroot directory had to be owned by root |
| [01:31:36] | <bgm> | yeah, it's a bit complicated to setup.. |
| [01:32:03] | <ergonlogic> | bgm: I was trying to set something up more or les as you describe |
| [01:32:11] | <ergonlogic> | but I must have misssed something |
| [01:32:35] | <bgm> | ergonlogic: did you check the koumbit wiki notes? in AegirMaintenance |
| [01:34:14] | <ergonlogic> | bgm: yes |
| [01:34:36] | <ergonlogic> | but I was trying to grant access to a whole platform, rather than just a site |
| [01:34:57] | <bgm> | hum, why ? |
| [01:35:41] | <ergonlogic> | well, it was for an aegirvps client who wanted an easy ftp access to upload stuff to sites/all |
| [01:36:03] | <ergonlogic> | so I tried this in reverse, basically |
| [01:36:08] | <bgm> | drush make :) |
| [01:36:17] | <bgm> | but i understand.. that can be annoying |
| [01:36:25] | <ergonlogic> | linking from home to platforms/ |
| [01:36:45] | <ergonlogic> | it didn't work with chroot |
| [01:36:50] | <ergonlogic> | bgm: yeah... |
| [01:38:02] | <ergonlogic> | they basically didn't want to have to touch the cli |
| [01:38:22] | <bgm> | can't an admin create a platform from the web? |
| [01:38:40] | <ergonlogic> | using a makefile, sure |
| [01:39:00] | <ergonlogic> | but they wanted to upload to sites/all |
| [01:39:04] | <ergonlogic> | via ftp |
| [01:39:14] | <ergonlogic> | old habits, I guess |
| [01:39:26] | <bgm> | but when they'll upgrade Drupal core, they'll have to re-upload everything |
| [01:39:52] | <bgm> | but yeah, i understand |
| [01:40:08] | <bgm> | i have a client on a vps, and just created them a user with the same uid/gid as the aegir user |
| [01:40:50] | <bgm> | i told the client that anything uploaded at the wrong place will be lost during an upgrade, and git everything |
| [01:41:26] | <ergonlogic> | yep, I had a (different) client where we worked with that, but it caused some hiccups |
| [01:41:27] | <bgm> | (actually, i don't git sites/all, but probably will have too if the client complains of stuff being lost at some point) |
| [01:43:05] | <ergonlogic> | and I ended up just dropping `alias aegir="sudo -u aegir -s -H"` into his .bash_aliases |
| [01:45:06] | <bgm> | what kind of hiccups? |
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| [01:46:44] | <ergonlogic> | iirc, he couldn't sudo, or access his home/ and git commit messages were getting kinda messed up |
| [01:47:17] | <bgm> | ah, yeah, for git commit it's annoying |
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| [01:48:03] | <bgm> | i'm a dev and i always systematically forget to set my name/mail credentials correctly :) |
| [01:48:48] | <ergonlogic> | but he adopted drush and git, and doesn;t mind operating as aegir, so it really worked out |
| [01:49:02] | <bgm> | cool |
| [01:49:07] | <ergonlogic> | he *wanted* to be a good drupal dev |
| [01:49:26] | <ergonlogic> | I can understand being intimidated by the cli at first |
| [01:49:42] | <bgm> | ergonlogic: offtopic, you might be interested in this: https://wiki.koumbit.net/LogMonitoringService |
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| [01:49:50] | <ergonlogic> | but really, it seems impossible to be really effective without at lease drush and git |
| [01:50:13] | <bgm> | yep, well, in the long term |
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| [01:51:17] | <bgm> | my client only does minor CSS and uploads modules using drush dl |
| [01:52:23] | <ergonlogic> | "Swatch: Sucks. Old. badly designed, buggy. Die die die." LOL |
| [01:52:30] | <bgm> | haha :) |
| [01:52:40] | <bgm> | in fact, i only reworked the section on logcheck |
| [01:52:48] | <bgm> | i'm using this on a few servers, and love it |
| [01:53:03] | <bgm> | it caught a few mysql issues, crashes, etc |
| [01:54:15] | <ergonlogic> | I only just learned where logs live a couple months ago... |
| [01:54:25] | <ergonlogic> | I have a lot to learn about syadmin |
| [01:54:37] | <ergonlogic> | like how to spell it, apparently... sysadmin |
| [01:54:59] | <bgm> | :-) |
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| [02:02:44] | <ergonlogic> | In case, you missed it, we've published http://drupal.org/project/puppet-aegir and http://drupal.org/project/puppet-drush |
| [02:03:20] | <ergonlogic> | and I recently posted http://drupal.org/project/aegir-up |
| [02:04:01] | <ergonlogic> | no releases yet |
| [02:05:49] | <bgm> | cool, i'll fwd that to a few people in the civicrm community who are using puppet/aegir |
| [02:07:11] | <ergonlogic> | I'll try to work on all the clean-up issues that I posted yesterday over the holidays |
| [02:08:03] | <bgm> | i succered myself into the boost module maintenance, and it's been wasting a lot of my time :] |
| [02:09:30] | <bgm> | ah, another reason to use logcheck, is to get notifications of when puppet changes stuff |
| [02:09:48] | <bgm> | and postfix errors |
| [02:10:33] | <ergonlogic> | bgm: hmmm, I'd kinda figured nagios provided sufficient monitoring |
| [02:11:32] | <bgm> | i'm a tin foil hat paranoid at times :) |
| [02:11:43] | <bgm> | for postfix, it's to monitor mass mail |
| [02:11:44] | <ergonlogic> | lol |
| [02:12:11] | <bgm> | i also monitor ssh bruteforcing with that, and adjust denyhosts or fail2ban |
| [02:13:35] | <bgm> | in fact, i'm not so tin foil hat, i tend to make a lot of compromises in security, but at least i read logs :) |
| [02:14:04] | <ergonlogic> | well, for my part, I get to play sysadmin in my aegir-up sandboxes |
| [02:14:13] | <bgm> | :) |
| [02:14:19] | <ergonlogic> | but I'll leave production environments to the pros |
| [02:14:56] | <ergonlogic> | I'm paranoid enough to know that I'm not paranoid enough to be a sysadmin |
| [02:15:01] | <ergonlogic> | :) |
| [02:15:10] | <ergonlogic> | at least, not a good one |
| [02:15:16] | <bgm> | haha :) |
| [02:15:21] | <bgm> | well, got to start somewhere :) |
| [02:15:45] | <bgm> | most servers i stumble upon, from other clients, are usually just not managed at all |
| [02:16:09] | <ergonlogic> | thankfully I have lots of friends and colleagues who are extremely competent sysadmins :) |
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| [02:16:22] | <sbn> | bgm: i just tried making an ordinary user named kk (without any sftp-chroot instaleld) and then symlink the /var/aegir/clients/kk to the home folder of kk |
| [02:16:23] | <bgm> | no monitoring, no logs, just a cheap VPS / dedicated from a crappy hosting provider. "it works", so they don't maintain it. |
| [02:16:28] | <ergonlogic> | and I work on this open source project that appeals to them too :) |
| [02:16:44] | <sbn> | byt it seems like the kk user can't access any site data, event though it's member of the aegir group now |
| [02:16:55] | <sbn> | i guess that's why i have to instal sftp-chroot? |
| [02:18:21] | <ergonlogic> | hmm... I should really translate https://wiki.koumbit.net/AegirMaintenance and post the missing bits to community.aegirproejct.org |
| [02:18:25] | <bgm> | sbn: i think, yes |
| [02:18:47] | <bgm> | sbn: although for permissiosn, another possibility is provisionacl, but that can be complicated to setup |
| [02:19:10] | <bgm> | i haven't played in that for a while, so besides those leads, i'm afraid i can't be of much assistance |
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| [02:21:14] | <sbn> | you mean, more complicated than sftp-chroot i guess… :) |
| [02:21:27] | <ergonlogic> | bgm: btw, I was just added to kt-admins, so be afraid ;) |
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| [02:23:13] | <sbn> | i just wonder. in this guide it says /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| [02:23:13] | <sbn> | ... and make sure you have the following line in it: |
| [02:23:13] | <sbn> | [...] |
| [02:23:13] | <sbn> | Subsystem sftp internal-sftp" but my file looks like "Subsystem sftp /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server" - I guess I should change the file then? chttp://www.howtoforge.com/restricting-users-to-sftp-plus-setting-up-chro... |
| [02:24:43] | <bgm> | sbn: might depend on the conventions of the ssh version, usually both work |
| [02:25:20] | <sbn> | cool, i'll give it a try - merry xmas and thanks for the help |
| [02:25:32] | <bgm> | np, good luck :) |
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| [02:30:19] | <sbn> | one more question - i the guide that i'm reading seems to just jail the user inside a specified homedir - how to deal with the permissions issue? I.e. the backups are only readable by aegir |
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| [02:34:55] | <bgm> | sbn: hrm.. if i check on one server, i have the impression it relies on provisionacl |
| [02:35:17] | <bgm> | although provisionacl itself is not very difficult to setup, i'm just not sure if it depends on ldap |
| [02:35:42] | <bgm> | https://drupal.org/project/provisionacl |
| [02:35:48] | <bgm> | it has good documentation though |
| [02:36:31] | <sbn> | thanks i'll take a look! |
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| [02:37:56] | <ergonlogic> | does anyone know *why* aegir/drush bootstraps *everything* when operating on a site? |
| [02:38:48] | <ergonlogic> | I just had a site deletion fail because there was Views in both sites/all/modules and sites/example.com/modules |
| [02:39:08] | <ergonlogic> | and drush choked at the redeclaration of a function |
| [02:40:17] | <ergonlogic> | it was easy to fix, by deleting the site-specific module, but it seems silly that this should be a problem |
| [02:41:25] | <bgm> | i guess it's simpler to bootstrap all of drupal all the time (drush issue) |
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| [03:20:55] | <darthsteven> | ergonlogic: If we could bootstrap just part of drush, that would be ace |
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| [03:54:19] | <arielqgold> | using BOA...apticron reported I needed upgrade so ran BARRACUDA.sh.txt ...getting bad gateways on all sites and looks like php-fpm won't start. any suggestions? |
| [03:58:58] | <arielqgold> | i tried running again and no joy. and # service php-fpm start gives... Starting php_fpm Error in argument 1, char 1: no argument for option - |
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| [04:24:33] | <arielqgold> | guess i'll just restore a backup and try again...luckily is my dev box |
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