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[20:17:10]<halcyonCorsair>mig5: yo
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[20:27:15]<mig5>hey halcyonCorsair
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[20:32:56]<halcyonCorsair>mig5: hey just wondering when you're going to be around for DDU?
[20:34:01]<mig5>halcyonCorsair: i'll be floating around on friday being a nuisance / having some meetings with clients coming down from NSW, the drinks afterward thatnight, and i'm there saturday and sunday too
[20:34:14]<mig5>i'll have a tshirt with 'mig5' on it, make sure to come say hi :)
[20:34:21]<halcyonCorsair>right
[20:34:42]<halcyonCorsair>i'm around the place from Thursdayish, so I'm keen to come and chat about various things
[20:35:49]<mig5>sure thing. i won't be there thursday i think, too flat out
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[20:40:56]<halcyonCorsair>well, whenever you're about really :)
[20:41:20]<halcyonCorsair>are you from melbourne, or out of town?
[20:42:48]<halcyonCorsair>mig5: btw, re: solr, are you using the web service stuff at all?
[20:44:23]<mig5>halcyonCorsair: yeah i'm from melbourne
[20:45:03]<mig5>re: web service stuff, not sure.. for that client i've not even seen the admin end of the drupal site
[20:45:15]<mig5>but all i know is, almost *every* page makes use of solr.. so
[20:45:47]<mig5>i kind of hate solr.. too much java and xml :) i've tried to avoid learning too much about it
[20:45:48]<halcyonCorsair>hmm, i wonder if you get a win out of tomcat there instead of jetty
[20:46:00]<mig5>yeah i'm using tomcat
[20:46:04]<mig5>seems better supported
[20:46:22]<mig5>cetainly for solr 3.4, which was not easy to get going with .deb's til i found that ubuntu ppa
[20:46:29]<mig5>and that particular client uses ubuntu on their servers, so
[20:46:58]<halcyonCorsair>ah, i could have sent you our beta 3.4 package, although we do things a little differently than most perhaps... :)
[20:47:23]<halcyonCorsair>mig5: any idea where i can snag some good cheapish internet while i'm over there (for non conference days at least)?
[20:48:36]<mig5>hrm, melbourne isn't amazing in terms of hotspots etc unfortunately. you could drift over to federation square if you don't mind being outdoors.. as I recall there's an optus hotspot there (opposite flinders st station)
[20:51:02]<halcyonCorsair>mig5: also is it worth snagging your details, or shall i just stalk the halls until I find you? :)
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[20:52:53]<mig5>stalk the halls mate, it won't be hard to find me, i'll be wearing my own IRC nick! :)
[20:53:18]<mig5>and i'll be waving aegir stickers around and shit
[20:53:57]<mig5>i'm actually gonna have my phone off during the conf. too many clients will ruin my weekend :)
[21:00:09]<halcyonCorsair>heh, good plan
[21:01:45]<halcyonCorsair>well, i'm gonna hit the sack, ttyl
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[00:05:10]<hefring>community => How to export a site from Aegir? => http://community.aegirproject.org/discuss/how-export-site-aegir
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[00:28:21]<anarcat>hey folks
[00:28:24]<anarcat>happy new year
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[02:49:38]<AquaticDisorder>hefring log pointer
[02:49:38]<hefring>http://hefring.mig5.net/bot/log/aegir/2012-01-09#T155990
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[06:55:52]<mig5>shall we do a scrum darthsteven anarcat ergonlogic omega8cc
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[07:02:08]<anarcat>oh yes!
[07:02:10]<anarcat>scrum time!
[07:02:27]<omega8cc>hi!
[07:02:27]<hefring>privet
[07:02:27]<hefring>omega8cc: 1 day 5 hours ago <AquaticDisorder> tell omega8cc I think I have fixed a small bug in oa if your interested in a patch http://drupal.org/files/proper-access-mode-1394468.patch =)
[07:02:43]<omega8cc>hmm
[07:03:17]<anarcat>alright
[07:03:25]<anarcat>well, for myself i am just back from vacation
[07:03:31]<anarcat>still swamped with a lot of non-aegir related work
[07:03:44]<anarcat>but hopefully i will get to fix some pesky issues that have been bothering our clients and workers here
[07:04:44]<anarcat>one low hanging fruit we have is to deploy those module automatically on new sites: http://drupal.org/node/1157114
[07:04:44]<hefring>http://drupal.org/node/1157114 => DB Login => 0 comments, 1 IRC mention
[07:05:25]* anarcat looking for the second one
[07:05:43]<anarcat>http://drupal.org/project/environment_indicator
[07:05:44]<anarcat>there
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[07:06:00]<anarcat>the other things are: exportable backups and the pesky files directory
[07:06:07]<anarcat>i am looking for ways to optimise the migrations
[07:06:17]<anarcat>because right now we end up tarring and untarring a lot of the same crap every week
[07:06:24]<anarcat>and i'm looking for ways to optimise that
[07:06:28]<anarcat>so suggestions welcome there
[07:06:57]<anarcat>the exportable backups is just to have a way to hardlink the backup in the @hostmaster/files directory with a hard-to-guess filename so that only the user can download it
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[07:10:30]<mig5>interesting
[07:10:41]<mig5>sorry, dealing with a nagios alert here at the same time
[07:10:48]<anarcat>fun :)
[07:11:01]<anarcat>i think that's pretty much it for me
[07:11:21]<mig5>not much from me this week.. need to find some more time to look at http://drupal.org/node/1388906 again. would be nice to test the nginx stuff more, not that we don't trust omega8cc of course :)
[07:11:22]<hefring>http://drupal.org/node/1388906 => It is possible to break Nginx based install with upload progress by enabling nginx_ssl feature => Provision, Code, critical, needs review, 5 comments, 1 IRC mention
[07:11:31]<mig5>i'm otherwise just swamped with work, it's insane
[07:11:37]<anarcat>i know how you feel
[07:11:44]<anarcat>my return from vacation is insane
[07:11:49]<mig5>i give my aegir talk at Druapl DownUnder on saturday, should be good
[07:11:54]<mig5>how was NYC ?
[07:11:58]<anarcat>we had a compromised ftp account that sent out 30k spams on my first day :P
[07:12:03]<mig5>ugh!
[07:12:03]<anarcat>it was good
[07:12:09]<anarcat>it was only one day!
[07:12:15]<anarcat>but i did a aegir pres with ergonlogic
[07:12:20]<anarcat>and i think we got a few people in
[07:12:30]<anarcat>i met with the pantheon guys, and they have a *great* product
[07:12:34]<anarcat>not open source of course :P
[07:12:39]<mig5>yeah. it's nice and simple
[07:12:44]<anarcat>but they really got somethign going with their dev/staging/prod thingy
[07:12:45]<mig5>yes and non-free :(
[07:12:51]<ergonlogic>hi
[07:12:51]<hefring>ergonlogic: 1 week 3 days ago <darthsteven> tell ergonlogic here you go: http://www.computerminds.co.uk/articles/migrate-sites-one-aegir-another
[07:12:54]<anarcat>well, i got invite codes
[07:13:03]<anarcat>i promised josh_k_ i would try to crack their thing
[07:13:06]<mig5>haha
[07:13:06]<anarcat>so far didn't find the time
[07:13:19]<anarcat>but they really have good security tools
[07:13:29]<anarcat>they are using cgroups, fcgi (or similar)
[07:13:29]<mig5>David Strauss knows his stuff
[07:13:35]<anarcat>so basically, you are renting out process groups
[07:13:43]<mig5>and that valhalla filesystem he's using for clustering and HA, sounds interesting
[07:13:46]<anarcat>as opposed to whole vservers, which was the old way
[07:13:51]<anarcat>yeah that's nice too
[07:14:04]<mig5>what are they using underneath: debian?
[07:14:06]<mig5>or redhat?
[07:14:16]<anarcat>i didn't troll, so i don't know ;)
[07:14:18]<mig5>i seem to recall a redhat feature that rented processes
[07:14:32]<anarcat>well, cgroups allow for fine-grained process isolation
[07:14:46]<anarcat>cgroups is the kernel option that allows vservers (or linux containers as the call them now) to work
[07:14:47]<mig5>yeh
[07:14:54]<anarcat>they also use selinux
[07:14:58]<anarcat>they seem really into it
[07:15:01]<anarcat>pretty cool
[07:15:05]<anarcat>anyways
[07:15:05]<mig5>i'm surprised they don't just build a machine per client or something.. it's not that expensive these days
[07:15:08]<anarcat>enough with pantheon :P
[07:15:12]<mig5>yeah :)
[07:15:13]<anarcat>mig5: that's what they were doing before
[07:15:25]<anarcat>i think it was *more* expensive than clustering in a single box
[07:15:38]<anarcat>you got to get some edge in some place
[07:15:45]<anarcat>so anyways
[07:15:47]<anarcat>ergonlogic hi!
[07:15:55]<anarcat>ergonlogic: something to add to our first scrum of the year?
[07:15:57]<anarcat>(or is it?)
[07:16:05]<anarcat>:)
[07:16:08]<ergonlogic>well, I'm just back from vacation too
[07:16:17]<anarcat>welcome back :)
[07:16:22]<ergonlogic>so trying to get back into the swing of things
[07:16:43]<ergonlogic>I'm working out the kinks to start doing to Aegir 101 screencasts
[07:16:54]<ergonlogic>s/to/some/g
[07:17:16]<ergonlogic>and fighting with vimeo... they don;t like .ogv apparently
[07:17:27]<anarcat>them basterds :)
[07:17:33]<ergonlogic>but anyway, just "how to create a site with Aegir" kida stuff
[07:17:54]<ergonlogic>introductory for new clients, at this point
[07:18:23]<ergonlogic>other than that, just before the holidays, anarcat and I published a couple puppet modules
[07:18:31]<ergonlogic>one for drush and another for aegir
[07:18:33]<ergonlogic>on d.o
[07:18:33]<anarcat>oh yeah we did!
[07:18:37]<anarcat>actually *you* did :)
[07:18:50]<ergonlogic>well, I published them, sure...
[07:18:59]<anarcat>but yeah, we polished a aegir module
[07:19:01]<ergonlogic>but *we* worked on getting them publishable
[07:19:04]<anarcat>unfortunately it still rlies on debian
[07:19:17]<anarcat>ie. it doesn't do the manual install if you're *not* on debian
[07:19:17]<mig5>oh, exciting! where are the modules?
[07:19:20]<anarcat>which would have been awesome
[07:19:36]<ergonlogic>I posted a dozen or so issues on them for cleanup
[07:19:37]<anarcat>well, it *should* be on http://community.aegirproject.org/contrib-modules
[07:19:40]<anarcat>but it isn't :P
[07:19:40]<mig5>i'll work this into a new aegir newsletter :)
[07:19:43]<ergonlogic>I'll get the urls
[07:20:00]<anarcat>and i'll add them to the page
[07:20:02]<ergonlogic>http://drupal.org/project/puppet-aegir
[07:20:09]<ergonlogic>http://drupal.org/project/puppet-drush
[07:20:23]<mig5>i love this: server goes down, hosting company's support system and all their nameservers go down as well. excellent
[07:20:36]<mig5>if it wasn't for DNS cache they'd be uncontactable to tell them about it
[07:20:42]* anarcat notices the twitter block on c.a.o is still broken
[07:20:50]<ergonlogic>they depend on a couple other puppet modules, one from Koumbit, and another from RiseUp, which is documented on the project pages
[07:20:58]<anarcat>mig5: dns -> ouch
[07:20:58]<ergonlogic>sigh...
[07:21:19]<mig5>great stuff re: puppet
[07:21:24]<mig5>looking forward to trying that
[07:21:30]<ergonlogic>anyway, I also updated Aegir Up to use the new puppet modules
[07:21:45]<ergonlogic>http://drupal.org/project/aegir-up
[07:22:03]<ergonlogic>using git subtrees
[07:22:04]<anarcat>mig5: another thing for your newsletter: arch linux support! http://community.aegirproject.org/node/389/revisions/view/2683/2684
[07:22:26]<mig5>yes! saw that
[07:22:28]<ergonlogic>so I now have about a dozen branches to wrangle
[07:22:45]<mig5>and did you see darthsteven's crazy article where he mass-migrated sites between two aegirs
[07:22:51]<ergonlogic>but seems more maintainable than sub-modules
[07:22:58]<ergonlogic>indeed yes!
[07:23:10]<ergonlogic>I want to try it out this week or next
[07:23:37]<ergonlogic>the mass migration stuff looks very cool
[07:24:16]<ergonlogic>it's also the initial reason I started aegir-up, to test that sort of thing
[07:24:51]<anarcat>http://community.aegirproject.org/contrib-modules#Puppet_modules
[07:25:02]<ergonlogic>anarcat: thanks!
[07:25:56]<ergonlogic>I think that's it from me...
[07:26:17]<anarcat>ok, i think we're done then
[07:26:22]<omega8cc>I'm also back at work and plan to port some never submitted patches to 1.x, as we (boa) are using already 2.x code so it was a bit out of sync between boa and official Nginx support in Aegir 1.x
[07:26:22]<ergonlogic>I'd really appreciate some feedback on Aegir-up, btw
[07:26:25]<anarcat>unless darthsteven magically flys in
[07:26:27]<anarcat>with his cape
[07:26:32]<anarcat>oh, omega8cc ! hi! :)
[07:26:41]<omega8cc>plus, I promised to submit standalone Aegir on Nginx how-to (step by step). We also tested and helped to fix a few distros so they work with Aegir and this list grows nicely :)
[07:26:52]<omega8cc>hi anarcat! and all
[07:26:53]<anarcat>nice!
[07:27:03]<anarcat>omega8cc: any work on a debian package for nginx? :)
[07:27:32]<omega8cc>anarcat: there is chance it will be soon! on the table already
[07:28:03]<omega8cc>as we are moving with everything to things like deb, puppet etc
[07:28:08]<darthsteven>Sorry I missed the scrum!
[07:28:10]<anarcat>nice!
[07:28:15]<darthsteven>In another meeting
[07:28:16]<anarcat>i am really happy to hear that!
[07:28:23]<anarcat>omega8cc: if you need help with the package, i already have ideas on how to do it
[07:28:27]<darthsteven>Nothing really to add though
[07:28:46]<ergonlogic>omega8cc: I'd be happy to integrate nginx patches to the puppet-aegir module :)
[07:28:50]<ergonlogic>hi steve
[07:28:52]<anarcat>omega8cc: basically, i think that it can be done without creating a new package - just add "| nginx" as a dependency and make a debconf dialog (or autodetection) to figure out which to setup
[07:28:52]<ergonlogic>steven
[07:29:02]<omega8cc>anarcat: I will ask for your assistance for sure, thanks!
[07:29:07]<darthsteven>Hoping to get back to working on Aegir within the next few weeks.
[07:29:16]<darthsteven>Sorry for interrupting!
[07:29:25]<omega8cc>anarcat: exactly, it shouldn't be a separate package
[07:29:27]<ergonlogic>darthsteven: thanks for the mass migration write-up
[07:29:34]<anarcat>cool
[07:29:45]<ergonlogic>darthsteven: I'll be trying it out soon
[07:30:17]<omega8cc>ergonlogic: sure, I will let you know
[07:30:25]<darthsteven>ergonlogic: Yeah, no doubt I removed a vital part of it while writing it up. Pester me of that's the case
[07:31:15]<ergonlogic>darthsteven: you can bet on it ;)
[07:32:15]<darthsteven>Some of it will be in Aegir core at some point, so I'd rather find the bugs now :)
[07:33:14]<omega8cc>darthsteven: hi, in the meantime we (boa) are testing the 2.x code in production :)
[07:34:01]<omega8cc>so far, absolutely no issues
[07:34:19]<darthsteven>omega8cc: Hehe, just you wait...
[07:34:28]<omega8cc>;)
[07:34:46]<darthsteven>omega8cc: Though hopefully we can get some more tests written
[07:39:58]<ergonlogic>ok then... so, I'll assume that's the end of the scrum and post the log to c.a.o
[07:40:09]<mig5>thanks ergonlogic
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[07:47:37]<Mac_Weber>anarcat: mig5 I found an article you guys wrote about using drush on aegir. I'm not sure if it applies to Barracuda/Octopus, or what would be the best way to drush there
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[08:22:10]<jeremyr1>Anyone using UC_Hosting? I'm having the same problem as this guy http://drupal.org/node/1343654 and wondered if anyone knew what I'm doing wrong.
[08:22:10]<hefring>http://drupal.org/node/1343654 => Site not created after checkout => Aegir Ubercart Integration, User interface, normal, postponed (maintainer needs more info), 5 comments, 2 IRC mentions
[08:22:18]<omega8cc>Mac_Weber: what you mean? the link maybe?
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[08:27:21]<ergonlogic>jeremyr1: I walked through the setup of uc_hosting at my DrupalCon London presentation: http://london2011.drupal.org/conference/sessions/aegir-based-business-mo...
[08:28:20]<ergonlogic>jeremyr1: I also did the same at DrupalCamps in Montreal and NYC
[08:29:41]<jeremyr1>ergonlogic that was a very helpful video. I'm 99% certain that I followed those steps. I'll have to watch it again it sounds.
[08:29:47]<ergonlogic>jeremyr1: Once I figure out a video format that Vimeo will accept, I'll post a video walk-through too
[08:30:05]<jeremyr1>That would be fantastic.
[08:30:34]<Mac_Weber>omega8cc: sorry by the late reply, I got a phone call. http://community.aegirproject.org/node/494
[08:30:36]<ergonlogic>jeremyr1: well, bear in mind that Aegir is a moving target, and so there may have been updates that uc_hosting hasn't caught up to yet
[08:31:03]<Mac_Weber>omega8cc: I mean using drush with the correct user user to not have permission problems and such
[08:31:22]<ergonlogic>jeremyr1: when I run through the injstall on a virgin Aegir server, I'll have a chance to either document properly, or debug and post a new release
[08:31:53]<jeremyr1>ergonlogic: Just to re-hash it, in case anything rings a bell for troubleshooting, I've been able to checkout successfully as both a registered user (not user 1) and a guest but in both cases it only increases the site quota but does not que a site for creation.
[08:32:15]<jeremyr1>Okay, I can wait patienly :)
[08:32:29]<jeremyr1>If there is anything you need help with, I'd be happy to give it a go.
[08:32:51]<ergonlogic>k, I have to go, but I'll try to make some time to work on it this week
[08:34:03]<jeremyr1>ergonlogic, I'll be floating around here, hit me up if you need some help. normally I'm jeremyr not jeremyr1 on IRC
[08:34:13]<jeremyr1>and on d.o
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[08:49:01]<kepford>ergonlogic: I've been trying to get your vaegirant aegis/vagrant build to work but have been having issues. Are you focusing on Aegir-up now? I think we have similar goals. I wanna have a vagrant setup of aegir that I can share with others.
[08:50:48]<kepford>I'm new to puppet but it makes sense to use a tool like this to speed up aegir development and testing
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[08:58:25]<omega8cc>Mac_Weber: Octopus comes with extra shell user, which is different than the Aegir standard/system user, to save you from breaking the system by mistake etc, but you can always switch to the system user if you wish with su -s /bin/bash - o1
[09:03:34]<ergonlogic>kepford: vaegirant became aegir-up, so you should use the one on d.o
[09:04:14]<kepford>ergonlogic: not the one on Github https://github.com/ergonlogic/aegir-up? Or are they same
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[09:07:41]<Mac_Weber>omega8cc: thanks, and congratulations for BOA! I want to learn how to use it properly =)
[09:07:56]<Mac_Weber>omega8cc: are you going to Denver?
[09:10:17]<Tila>Can someone help me, i upgraded my aegir to the new version, however for some reason it wont provision sites
[09:10:20]<Tila>:(
[09:10:24]<Tila>??
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[09:11:16]<halcyonCorsair>Tila: can you provide some logging / error messages?
[09:11:19]<omega8cc>Mac_Weber: thanks! Maybe one day I will break the tradition and go to the drupalcon, but not this time
[09:11:33]<Tila>sure
[09:11:48]<Tila>is there a site i can paste the info for ya?
[09:12:03]<Tila>so it doesnt spam the room :)
[09:15:49]<halcyonCorsair>Tila: pastebin.com
[09:25:00]<jlhenry>Can't delete a site after a failed install. It says "Failed to drop database". I manually create the database, but it is still not working. Any idea how I can delete the site?
[09:25:56]<jlhenry>The site is disabled
[09:26:39]<Tila>hmmz not sure how to run it from command line
[09:26:47]<Tila>to get the log to show
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[09:28:42]<Tila>everything i create just gets added to the queue
[09:28:46]<Tila>it wont even delete
[09:30:34]<Tila>http://pastebin.com/Awcd36r4
[09:30:49]<Tila>okie there ya go halcyon
[09:37:51]<Tila>any thoughts on what my problem may be?
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[09:43:00]<juampy>Tila, do you know how to run a task in command line with debug option?
[09:43:11]<juampy>it helped me once with a similar issue
[09:43:20]<juampy>let me look for that at the community site
[09:44:08]<Tila>yeah i just did that and posted it on the pastbin
[09:44:14]<juampy>oh ok
[09:44:15]<Tila>i think i did right?
[09:44:16]<juampy>checking then
[09:44:20]<Tila>thank you for you help
[09:44:22]<Tila>im at a loss
[09:44:46]<juampy>I know how you feel
[09:44:51]<juampy>checking your paste
[09:44:57]<Tila>soo frustrating :P
[09:45:22]<juampy>Tila, your root option has to be your hostmaster site (the aegir site)
[09:45:37]<Tila>hmmz k
[09:45:40]<juampy>usually something such as /var/aegir/hostmaster-xxxx
[09:45:44]<juampy>have a loook
[09:45:45]<Tila>kk
[09:45:47]<Tila>got it
[09:45:49]<Tila>hang on
[09:47:07]<Tila>http://pastebin.com/V8PLF882
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[09:52:22]<Tila>still no luck
[09:52:27]<Tila>errors galore
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[09:55:39]<juampy>Tile, give me a few mins
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[10:18:03]<halcyonCorsair>Tila: looks like it can't find your settings files
[10:18:47]<halcyonCorsair>Tila: if you install a site from the commandline like: http://mig5.net/node/346 does that work?
[10:19:52]<juampy>Tila, the command should be like this: php /www_data/aegir/drush/drush.php --root='/www_data/aegir/hostmaster-6.x-1.5' --uri='youraegirsite.net' hosting-task <nid of the task that does not start> --debug
[10:19:58]<juampy>sorry: http://pastebin.com/vKisRn7s
[10:20:03]<juampy>This one ^^
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[10:36:44]<Tila>hmmz
[10:36:49]<Tila>k hang on lemme try
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