IRC logs for #aegir, 2012-03-12 (GMT)

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[12:59:37]* ergonlogic just posted a new beta release of Aegir-up based on Aegir 1.7. It also now supports full development builds of Aegir using custom Provision repos and branches and custom hostmaster profiles (such as sandbox projects).
[12:59:57]<ergonlogic>http://drupal.org/project/aegir-up
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[15:17:29]<comar>hi, the debian packages are not more accessibles, I have 404 on http://debian.aegirproject.org/dists/squeeze/main/binary-amd64/Packages
[15:27:24]<ergonlogic>comar: Hi, I'm checking with the Koumbit sysadmins. Thanks for pointing that out.
[15:29:44]<ergonlogic>darthsteven mig5: Are oyu aware that debian.aegirproject.org is currently pointing toward the Jenkins server instead of the repo?
[15:30:18]<ergonlogic>darthsteven mig5: I'm checking with the Koumbit on-call sysadmin, btw
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[19:48:57]<mig5>ergonlogic: my problem to fix. sorry
[19:51:02]<mig5>looks like darthsteven already fixed it
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[20:16:35]<corsair__>mig5: yo
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[02:43:59]<LunkRat>just migrated some sites to a new platform and now they all bring up /install.php instead of the home page. what up with that?
[02:45:40]<joestewart>LunkRat: verify the site after migrating.
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[02:46:34]<LunkRat>did that, no dice
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[02:56:35]<LunkRat>joestewart: do you know what would cause this? I migrated to Drupal 7.12 downloaded by drush. the sites have settings.php files but are behaving as if settings.php is missing
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[02:59:55]<joestewart>LunkRat: A couple of possible troubleshooting steps. 1. did apache restart after the verify? 2. apache2ctl -S | grep example.com and look in the config file it says is active for the domain. 3. drush status for the domain OK?
[03:00:21]<joestewart>2. verify the path in the config file is correct.
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[03:15:38]<LunkRat>joestewart: thank you so much! indeed apache2 was not restarting
[03:16:21]<LunkRat>joestewart: this was because apace had configuration files that looked for a platform that I had recently deleted!
[03:17:46]<LunkRat>joestewart: so, like my whole server was f'd! i replaced the platform files in the path where apache/aegir was missing them and everything is now back to life
[03:17:48]<LunkRat>jeez
[03:18:56]<LunkRat>joestewart: anyway, thanks for the help, again
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[06:00:25]<ergonlogic>darthsteven mig5 omega8cc : scrum?
[06:00:35]<darthsteven>in one hour?
[06:00:50]<darthsteven>is it not?
[06:00:58]<omega8cc>in one hour
[06:02:15]<ergonlogic>oh? no daylight savings time, huh?
[06:03:15]<omega8cc>it is 8pm in CET now
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[06:03:36]<omega8cc>so 7pm in the UK
[06:03:56]<omega8cc>ergonlogic: ^^
[06:04:04]<cmcintosh>good morn gang
[06:04:10]<cmcintosh>did i miss the scrum today
[06:04:30]<ergonlogic>cmcintosh: apparently we're not adjusting for DST
[06:04:48]<cmcintosh>ah fair enough
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[06:05:02]<cmcintosh>i been busy doing aegir dev stuff
[06:05:11]<cmcintosh>writting an automated module update system
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[06:16:38]<LunkRat>cmcintosh: +1 for automated module update system! ;)
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[06:47:22]<apassi>hi, can i use aegir remote server stuff without opening database port?
[06:51:10]<hefring>Git => Block aggressive crawler SWEBot in the main Nginx config. => http://drupalcode.org/project/provision.git/commitdiff/625ac1a2ebce87413...
[06:51:10]<hefring>Git => Send all known bots to $args free URLs in Nginx. => http://drupalcode.org/project/provision.git/commitdiff/13e880e0826a86be8...
[06:51:10]<hefring>Git => Issue #1478984 by obrienmd - Add Access-Control-Allow-Origin header with wildcard... => http://drupalcode.org/project/provision.git/commitdiff/5bde88fc7debdb138...
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[07:01:35]<darthsteven>scrum time!
[07:03:44]<ergonlogic>hi
[07:04:30]<darthsteven>hello!
[07:04:30]<hefring>salut
[07:04:37]<omega8cc>hi
[07:04:37]<hefring>hello
[07:04:56]<omega8cc>hefring: botsnack
[07:04:56]<hefring>thanks omega8cc :)
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[07:05:50]<ergonlogic>I believe anarcat is on vacation, and has found his way out to the woods
[07:05:55]<darthsteven>mig5: scrum?
[07:06:02]<ergonlogic>so he won't likely be joining us
[07:06:20]<darthsteven>I shall kick things off by saying well done to Anarcat for getting the 1.7 release done
[07:06:31]<darthsteven>and well done to omega8cc for getting tons of stuff into that release
[07:06:42]<darthsteven>that's it from me
[07:06:52]<omega8cc>:)
[07:07:11]<omega8cc>My work on porting Hostmaster BOA UI improvements to 6.x-2.x is still in progress, so I'm submitting some minor Nginx patches in the meantime. Not much to report this week.
[07:08:21]<omega8cc>However, I'm really tired with this bug: http://drupal.org/node/1004526
[07:08:22]<hefring>http://drupal.org/node/1004526 => Automatic aliases are not persisted across rename and clone => Hostmaster (Aegir), Code, major, needs work, 25 comments, 3 IRC mentions
[07:08:33]<darthsteven>ah yes, that one
[07:08:34]<omega8cc>it causes tons of support requests
[07:08:44]<omega8cc>so I plan to attack it
[07:09:20]<darthsteven>ok cool
[07:09:36]<omega8cc>it is a major Aegir WTF/fail for most of our users
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[07:12:45]<darthsteven>indeed
[07:12:49]<darthsteven>anything else?
[07:12:58]<omega8cc>that is it from me
[07:13:09]<ergonlogic>For my part I submitted some issues and patches to port Hostmaster to the Profiler library, making sub-profiles possible, and fairly easy. This also required a ptch to Provision to support alternative profile names.
[07:14:00]<ergonlogic>I also depends on splitting Eldir and Hosting back out of Hostmaster for the 6.x-2.x branch, and I submitted an issue on that as well
[07:14:23]<darthsteven>yeah, I'm not 100% sure where I feel about a split tbh
[07:14:34]<ergonlogic>ok
[07:15:03]<darthsteven>it's a good idea for us, but not sure if it will confuse people, and lead to lots of where should I post this issue type questions?
[07:15:15]<darthsteven>but I can see the benefits too
[07:15:21]<ergonlogic>well, we already get lots of that
[07:15:57]<ergonlogic>I'm pretty sure it will confise some people
[07:16:08]<ergonlogic>but the other projects already exist
[07:16:56]<darthsteven>yup
[07:17:04]<darthsteven>anyway…anyone got anything else to add?
[07:17:18]<ergonlogic>Beyond making hosting and eldir reusable, I think it could also make engagement in the project easier
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[07:18:55]<darthsteven>possibly
[07:18:57]<ergonlogic>anyway, I's also been making lots of headway with Aegir-up, which now supports full development builds of Aegir, including custom (i.e. sandbox) provision repos and alternative branches
[07:19:05]<darthsteven>awesome
[07:19:19]<darthsteven>got a link for that work?
[07:19:23]<ergonlogic>along with custom aegir.make makefiles
[07:20:07]<ergonlogic>a bit short on docs, but http://community.openatria.com/team/node/552
[07:20:29]<ergonlogic>Aegir-up itself is at http://drupal.org/project/aegir-up
[07:20:50]<ergonlogic>that's about it from me
[07:21:13]<apassi>I have a aegir installed on two server, now when i create server content type from other to other, then aegir ui does not work anymore on other server, why?
[07:21:43]<darthsteven>thanks ergonlogic
[07:21:52]<darthsteven>i think we'll call that a scrum then
[07:22:02]<darthsteven>anyone care to do the logs?
[07:22:06]<ergonlogic>I can
[07:22:20]<darthsteven>ergonlogic: thanks
[07:22:34]<ergonlogic>darthsteven: can we discuss splitting hosting/eldir?
[07:22:47]<darthsteven>ergonlogic: sure, can you give me ten mins?
[07:22:47]<ergonlogic>darthsteven: I'd like to make sure I understand your reservations
[07:22:52]<ergonlogic>sure
[07:23:10]<ergonlogic>hefring: logs
[07:23:21]<ergonlogic>gah, what is that command again?
[07:23:27]<ergonlogic>hefring: timestamp
[07:23:31]<darthsteven>hefring: log pointer?
[07:23:31]<hefring>http://hefring.mig5.net/bot/log/aegir/2012-03-12#T182454
[07:23:42]<ergonlogic>right... thanks
[07:24:36]<ergonlogic>oh, I updated the Scrums page and front-page block to reflect the end of Daylight Savings Time
[07:24:39]<ergonlogic>btw
[07:24:56]<darthsteven>ah, thanks
[07:25:12]<darthsteven>we've not changed over here
[07:28:22]<ergonlogic>Right, I only updated it for the Montreal time
[07:30:04]<darthsteven>ergonlogic: shall we talk splittage
[07:30:08]<darthsteven>?
[07:30:16]<ergonlogic>sure :)
[07:30:55]<ergonlogic>so you're concerned about it confusing users?
[07:31:00]<darthsteven>right, I guess that I'm pretty flexible about this
[07:31:18]<darthsteven>so don't really mind which way we go
[07:31:20]<darthsteven>but
[07:31:39]<darthsteven>as an end user, it would be nicer to have a central place to go for logging issues etc.
[07:31:54]<darthsteven>and I'm not sure that splitting back into the projects helps that
[07:32:01]<ergonlogic>right
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[07:32:40]<darthsteven>or rather, I think we could agree that we need to handle/triage issues in say the hostmaster queue/community site and people that install and use aegir aren't too aware of the Eldir and hosting projects
[07:33:03]<darthsteven>I think I'm in favour of the split from a developer perspective for sure
[07:33:11]<ergonlogic>yeah, I think even the hostmaster/provision split is confusing to most
[07:33:19]<darthsteven>but most people see 'Aegir' as a single thing
[07:33:39]<ergonlogic>since the frontend/backend architecture isn't very clear to most either
[07:33:47]<darthsteven>I guess we like the split, but maybe end users don't
[07:33:52]<ergonlogic>I'd suggest pointing people to hostmaster
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[07:34:03]<darthsteven>so maybe having three projects is the best way to go?
[07:34:03]<ergonlogic>and then triage from there
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[07:34:14]<darthsteven>Eldir/Hosting/Hostmaster
[07:34:20]<ergonlogic>3 plus provision, you mean?
[07:34:29]<darthsteven>I meant:
[07:34:29]<ergonlogic>right, I think so
[07:34:35]<darthsteven>Provision/Hosting/Hostmaster
[07:34:50]<darthsteven>Eldir is a minor part of all this really
[07:35:07]<darthsteven>and could possibly stay as part of postmaster anyway
[07:35:11]<darthsteven>*hostmaster
[07:35:11]<ergonlogic>I still think it's potentially worth splitting out too
[07:35:30]<ergonlogic>the way I see it, we're heavy on programming/sysadmin skills
[07:35:42]<ergonlogic>but could really use some UX work
[07:35:57]<ergonlogic>a separate eldir *might* help with that
[07:35:57]<darthsteven>agreed
[07:36:05]<darthsteven>possibly
[07:36:12]<darthsteven>I would like to spin it off
[07:36:21]<darthsteven>but don't have commit access, so haven't :)
[07:36:53]<ergonlogic>anarcat was in favour of it when we spoke of it a couple weeks ago
[07:37:42]<ergonlogic>would you see doing it for 6.x-1.x, or just starting with 6.x-2.x?
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[07:38:05]<darthsteven>I think I'm all for it, if we are more explicit with telling people to log issues against hostmaster
[07:38:08]<darthsteven>ermm...
[07:38:25]<ergonlogic>I'm sure we can sort out the commit access :)
[07:38:28]<darthsteven>1.x, if it okay with anarcat's packaging stuff
[07:38:41]<darthsteven>for the debs
[07:38:49]<ergonlogic>yeah, that'd be simpler, probably
[07:39:23]<darthsteven>I would imagine it would be, because we're just moving the code from one git repo to another and then popping the reference in a make file
[07:39:51]<darthsteven>I guess the releasing of the hostmaster project becomes a little more complex
[07:39:52]<cmcintosh>i think having Eldir as its own would be good as well
[07:39:57]<darthsteven>but we can script that as well
[07:40:15]<cmcintosh>sry irc was scrolled back
[07:40:41]<ergonlogic>so, if we do that then, I could maybe help maintain hostmaster, having just re-written most of it
[07:40:50]<ergonlogic>if you guys would have me
[07:41:09]<ergonlogic>and I could then help triage the queue and such
[07:41:41]<ergonlogic>though, I guess I could do most of that now anyway
[07:41:58]<darthsteven>more help would be awesome
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[07:42:23]<darthsteven>hefring: tell mig5 can you have a look at this Eldir issue please: http://drupal.org/node/1479280
[07:42:24]<hefring>http://drupal.org/node/1479280 => Give Steven Jones commit access => Eldir, Miscellaneous, normal, active, 0 comments, 1 IRC mention
[07:42:25]<hefring>darthsteven: I'll pass that on when mig5 is around.
[07:42:31]<darthsteven>hefring: tell anarcat can you have a look at this Eldir issue please: http://drupal.org/node/1479280
[07:42:32]<hefring>http://drupal.org/node/1479280 => Give Steven Jones commit access => Eldir, Miscellaneous, normal, active, 0 comments, 2 IRC mentions
[07:42:32]<hefring>darthsteven: I'll pass that on when anarcat is around.
[07:42:40]<darthsteven>hefring: botsnack
[07:42:40]<hefring>thanks darthsteven :)
[07:43:34]<ergonlogic>k, well, I'll update the issue with a pointer to this discussion, and we'll see where it goes from there
[07:43:44]<darthsteven>ideally hostmaster will mostly go away in 7.x-2.x, because it's basically a drush command, but not a drush command
[07:43:53]<darthsteven>which issue is that?
[07:44:18]<darthsteven>got it
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[07:45:22]<ergonlogic>http://drupal.org/node/1468874
[07:45:22]<hefring>http://drupal.org/node/1468874 => Split Hosting and Eldir back out to their respective stand-alone projects => Hostmaster (Aegir), Code, normal, active, 3 comments, 2 IRC mentions
[07:45:33]<ergonlogic>hefring: log pointer?
[07:45:33]<hefring>http://hefring.mig5.net/bot/log/aegir/2012-03-12#T182535
[07:49:00]<darthsteven>I've popped some comments on that issue too
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[07:54:02]<ergonlogic>darthsteven: by hostmaster being a drush command, you mean the creation of all the default nodes and such?
[07:54:28]<darthsteven>ergonlogic: yup, it uses the d() function
[07:54:44]<darthsteven>you can't install Hostmaster without drush at the moment
[07:54:46]<ergonlogic>if that became a drush command, then hostmaster would become a pretty standard profile
[07:54:53]<ergonlogic>right
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[08:14:14]<storyleader>Does anyone know a good way to give clients FTP access to their own files/themes/modules directories but not to those of other clients?
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[08:35:16]<bgm>storyleader: sftp accounts and sftp-chroot, but uploading modules/themes is a security risk
[08:35:53]<bgm>(modules are loaded as the aegir user by aegir tasks, so malicious code could be run from there)
[08:36:54]<bgm>https://drupal.org/node/762138
[08:37:00]<apassi>Can i define settings with aegir, which is then applied on all sites and platforms?
[08:38:24]<bgm>apassi: if it's a setting store in {variables} (variable_get/set), you can define it globally in aegir's global.inc
[08:38:40]<bgm>otherwise you should probably use features and/or install profiles
[08:39:11]<apassi>bgm: yes thanks i just found this global.inc
[08:39:18]<apassi>bgm: fits for my needs
[08:39:36]<cmcintosh>is there any work on getting drush working on windows based servers yet
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[08:40:38]<cmcintosh>storyleader, check out the aegir acl project
[08:40:49]<joestewart>cmcintosh: drush or aegir? drush 5 has a windows installer.
[08:40:54]<cmcintosh>forget the exact name of it but when i read it sounded like something that would fit in your need
[08:40:57]<cmcintosh>joestewart, both
[08:41:01]<bgm>cmcintosh: provisionacl ?
[08:41:07]<cmcintosh>joestewart, you cant do aegir without drush
[08:41:11]<cmcintosh>bgm, correct
[08:41:41]<bgm>right, forgot about that, but it won't solve the security issue though
[08:41:43]<cmcintosh>optionally you could write a ftp service provider for aegir
[08:42:14]<cmcintosh>and then have it update the ftp settings based on the Client nodes
[08:42:26]<cmcintosh>should be able to easily provide access to specific site folders then
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[08:43:20]<cmcintosh>http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-ftp-virtual-host-with-proftpd-mysql may help
[08:44:00]<cmcintosh>bgm, am i missing some other security issue?
[08:44:21]<cmcintosh>rather security question
[08:45:16]<bgm>imho the challenge is restricting what drush/aegir executes as the aegir user
[08:46:03]<bgm>otherwise sftp-chroot + provisionacl works well
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[08:47:13]<bgm>a user can upload a module in their /files, enable it, and on hook_cron() or just random code outside any function (that waits for aegir's UID to be executing the script), do bad things on the system (access other sites, delete stuff, etc.)
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[08:48:58]<bgm>http://community.aegirproject.org/node/494
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[08:49:54]<bgm>er, no, that's not directly related..
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[08:51:04]<storyleader>bgm: thanks. I understand the risks, but have a couple clients I know and trust who want to do this.
[08:51:42]<bgm>storyleader: that's what koumbit does, no incidents so far afaik :)
[08:53:14]<LunkRat>hmmm . . . migrate task on a site that has civicrm. major fail
[08:56:29]<storyleader>cmcintosh: thanks, too. I'll look into the Aegir ACL project.
[08:56:50]<bgm>LunkRat: are you using provision_civicrm ?
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[08:57:01]<cmcintosh>storyleader, i would really lean towards integrating ftp into aegir
[08:57:06]<cmcintosh>so that it can manage it for you
[08:57:18]<LunkRat>bgm: what is that?
[08:57:37]<storyleader>cmcintosh: integrating ftp into aegir how?
[08:57:37]<cmcintosh>bgm, you ever use that for aegir/civicrm management
[08:57:38]<LunkRat>bgm guess i missed that in the docs ...
[08:57:40]<bgm>LunkRat: it's a submodule that handles civicrm installation / migrate / upgrade. won't work in aegir otherwise..
[08:57:53]<bgm>cmcintosh: ftp?
[08:57:55]<LunkRat>bgm i found that out the hard way
[08:58:12]<bgm>er, /me desync :)
[08:58:40]<bgm>LunkRat: the module has some limitations though
[08:58:48]<cmcintosh>storyleader, take a look at hook_hosting_service_type
[08:59:00]<cmcintosh>bgm, no civicrm + aegir + provision_civicrm
[08:59:02]<LunkRat>bgm: what now? restore from pre-migration backup?
[08:59:07]<storyleader>cmcintosh:thanks. I will
[08:59:09]<bgm>LunkRat: worst case, you can just reset the civi config (using drush) and run the upgrade manually
[08:59:11]<cmcintosh>as far as managing spinning up sties / update
[08:59:27]<bgm>cmcintosh: yes, i co-wrote the module
[08:59:40]<cmcintosh>nice
[08:59:50]<cmcintosh>any hickups / gotchas i need to watch out for?
[08:59:57]<bgm>we're having a code sprint friday. the module needs a bit of attention
[09:00:06]<cmcintosh>fair enough
[09:00:17]<cmcintosh>around what time and what could i assist with?
[09:00:36]<LunkRat>bgm: thanks ... bah
[09:00:43]<bgm>cmcintosh: i think they're documented in the readme + issue queue, but it's been a while
[09:00:59]<cmcintosh>k
[09:01:01]<bgm>stuff like cron management changed in 4.1, and i'm still looking forward to automating that completely
[09:01:13]<bgm>(it should be much better starting 4.1..)
[09:01:13]<cmcintosh>ill have to take a look at it been super busy with some aegir dev right now
[09:01:21]<bgm>:)
[09:01:52]<bgm>i always deploy civi with it though, even small sites on a vps. it installs / upgrades fine.
[09:02:05]<cmcintosh>thanks good to know
[09:02:11]<bgm>oh, main limitation is that the civi DB has to be inside the Drupal DB
[09:02:30]<bgm>some people bring up that issue often, and i'm not convinced there is much advantage to keep both separated in aegir
[09:02:31]<cmcintosh>does not seem too terrible
[09:02:52]<cmcintosh>makes thing a bit portable and less likely to be seperated
[09:02:54]<bgm>(ex: in case of rollback, stuff like that.. having in separate DBs would make messy code)
[09:02:58]<bgm>yep
[09:03:11]<LunkRat>bgm: the site I am working on has all in one db
[09:03:39]<bgm>other issue, is that provision_civicrm assumes that if you have civicrm in your platform, then it installs it. there is no install profile or front-end module to decide to enable civi
[09:03:57]<bgm>(that's just because i'm lazy, but also because i think you should have a civi platform, not mix everything)
[09:04:47]<bgm>cmcintosh: are you going to be at civicon?
[09:05:35]<bgm>there will be a 'sysadmin' presentation with Jamie and Josue from PTP
[09:05:57]<cmcintosh>some sweetness
[09:06:07]<cmcintosh>so got a question
[09:06:18]<cmcintosh>got a client that wants a dev > stage > prod workflow
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[09:06:34]<cmcintosh>but i also need to give them a place to dick around on without screwing up production
[09:06:39]<cmcintosh>ie content+context changes
[09:06:57]<cmcintosh>whats the easiest way to then migrate their approved changes into the production environment
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[09:08:53]<bgm>i'm not the best person to answer that. i do things the messy way :)
[09:09:18]<cmcintosh>yea
[09:09:19]<bgm>i'd commit the code, pull from prod and run the upgrade scripts if any.
[09:09:37]<cmcintosh>im kind of the Aegir czar for my company
[09:09:40]<bgm>that doesn't really allow you to rollback
[09:10:12]<cmcintosh>im kind of leaning towards forcing them to do the testing on the sandbox, exporting features with the context/context changes then recreating the nodes on production when they are ready to go live
[09:10:39]<cmcintosh>one person suggested just having the live domain as an alias but dont really like that
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[09:11:26]<bgm>that tends to screw up the {files} and other paths
[09:11:43]<bgm>aegir really likes the internal domain name to be the canonical one
[09:11:57]<bgm>also ran into issues with the boost module because of that
[09:12:30]<cmcintosh>yea
[09:12:51]<cmcintosh>im really leaning towards forcing them to recreate the content on production after they have pushed the updated features
[09:13:08]<cmcintosh>i mean if they do context as a path then it wont activate until they publish a node with that path
[09:13:47]<bgm>i usually ask clients to publish their content first, then i clone their site into dev, do code, and push the code
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[09:14:57]<cmcintosh>right
[09:15:09]<cmcintosh>well the issue is dev work is going to go on at the same time as some of the content work
[09:15:36]<cmcintosh>and some of the content work can only be published on specific times, and this coincides with context changes for a path/node
[09:15:50]<bgm>then i ask them to put lorem ipsum, and they update it on prod. but yeah, doesn't always work out.
[09:16:19]<cmcintosh>so thats why i say i could have them to the initial work in the sand box and then when ready recreate it in a unpublished state, spin up a new production platform with the updated feature and then publish
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[09:20:06]<bgm>yep
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[09:30:32]<realityloop>omega8cc: it it possible to disable the caching on Barracuda still?
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[09:56:11]<omega8cc>realityloop: which caching?
[09:56:41]<realityloop>the equivalent of speed booster
[09:57:21]<omega8cc>realityloop: yes, it works the same for Barracuda and Octopus: http://omega8.cc/speed-booster-cache-boost-and-advagg-108
[09:57:42]<omega8cc>it is not "equivalent"
[09:57:52]<omega8cc>it is the same caching
[09:59:16]<omega8cc>realityloop: it is still the same - basically, ubercart/README.txt control file, per site or per platform
[09:59:29]<realityloop>omega8cc: ah.. ok thanks
[10:00:05]<realityloop>omega8cc: anything we can do so that that could live in an install profile's directory?
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[10:01:51]<omega8cc>realityloop: sure, it is supported, even in the subdirs: http://drupalcode.org/project/barracuda.git/blob/HEAD:/aegir/conf/global...
[10:03:25]<omega8cc>so you can disable it per install profile, per platform or per site
[10:03:33]<realityloop>omega8cc: cool thanks
[10:03:51]<omega8cc>np
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