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[11:24:42]<omega8cc>hefring: tell anarcat: I guess it is jenkins using its default 'admin' for any commit where it doesn't match any username existing in jenkins config/server, so it is nothing I could fix on my side, even if all commits look correct on d.o, see: http://ci.aegirproject.org/job/D%20aegir%206.x-1.x%20install%20-%20PHP%2...
[11:24:42]<hefring>omega8cc: I'll pass that on when anarcat is around.
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[11:40:12]<hefring>Git => Issue #1498774 by jm.federico - Set higher value for map_hash_bucket_size in Nginx... => http://drupalcode.org/project/provision.git/commitdiff/11d42bf85eafb0119...
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[13:18:53]<fjm_>JOIN #drupal
[13:19:33]<fjm_>DO any of you know if there is a way to override tpls for provision
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[13:21:52]<jmfederico>back with a different nick
[13:22:00]<jmfederico>anyways, DO any of you know if there is a way to override tpls for provision?
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[18:33:35]<wroxbox>Oh. Where is http://git.drupal.org/project/hostmaster.git that is linked in aegir.make
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[18:33:57]<wroxbox>Hitting 404 notfound during installation.
[18:36:05]<wroxbox>git.drupal.org is now drupalcode.org ... Why there is wrong in aegir.make. Is there issue allready?
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[18:43:22]<wroxbox>There is no update yet to project as all 6.x points to wrong url http://drupalcode.org/project/provision.git/blob/64d5fb0af66d50fcecdf0c2...
[18:45:16]<mig5>wroxbox: you seem to be looking at a very old copy of the file. I suggest you follow the instructions at http://community.aegirproject.org/installing
[18:48:02]<wroxbox>mig5: I am with SLES so I need to manually install all and http://community.aegirproject.org/node/389 are pointing to use in the first step drush dl --destintation=/var/aegir/.drush provision-6.x that downloads aegir.make with wrong url to hostmaster.git
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[18:52:02]<wroxbox>Oh, I would like to have debian or what ever other distro to have all automatic scripts, but we have suse linux enterprise 11 and I need to live with it :/
[18:52:33]<wroxbox>I'll vi /var/aegir/.drush/aegir.make and test with drupalcode.org
[18:59:38]<wroxbox>mig5: And I am behind corporate firewalls too so need to proxy download all.
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[19:19:18]<wroxbox>mig5: in private?
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[23:30:48]<ergonlogic>darthsteven: I re-read the drush docs, and I'm convinced... Aegir-up is becoming a drush command
[23:31:12]<ergonlogic>or extension, I guess, as there are multiple commands... but whatever
[23:32:23]<darthsteven>ergonlogic: cool, not sure if I've lead you down the wrong path there, but tapping into people's drush knowledge seems a good way to go to me
[23:34:09]<ergonlogic>indeed
[23:34:19]<ergonlogic>that's certainly one of the reasons
[23:38:05]<ergonlogic>darthsteven: there are also a bunch of useful helpers provided, like easy docs and argument handling, etc. Writing in PHP also works better for some of the logic that gets pretty twisted when trying to remain compatible with /bin/sh (e.g., no arrays). Not to mention the ease of installing: "drush dl aegir-up"
[23:38:17]<ergonlogic>just a great suggestion all around
[23:38:24]<ergonlogic>darthsteven: thanks :)
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[23:38:45]<darthsteven>yeah..I think it makes a lot of sense, have fun re-writing!
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[23:45:09]<ergonlogic>darthsteven: it was getting /var/aegir mounted under NFS that really made it appealing. With that, we can edit all Aegir and platform files directly on the host machine. But we can't operate on the sites via Drush. Then I found http://drupal.org/project/drush-vagrant, which can easily extract aliases from the VM(s). So Drush becomes a de facto dependency anyway...
[23:46:00]<ergonlogic>anyway... back to work. Drush commands don;t write themselves :)
[23:46:03]<darthsteven>:)
[23:46:21]<darthsteven>the templating stuff in aegir-up is cool
[23:46:41]<darthsteven>if we could provide templates in drush extensions, that would be cool
[23:47:54]<darthsteven>you could actually write a central drush command for setting up a drush/vagrant project, and then the templates define what that project is
[23:48:13]<darthsteven>aegir core development, drupal core development, etc.
[23:48:20]<darthsteven>that would be awesome
[23:48:30]<darthsteven>How do I get a Drupal core dev environment
[23:48:33]<darthsteven>1. install drush
[23:48:42]<darthsteven>2. install these two extensions
[23:49:15]<darthsteven>3. run drush vagrant-project-new --template=core-8.x my-sandbox
[23:52:20]<darthsteven>party
[00:03:25]<ergonlogic>darthsteven: exactly :)
[00:04:47]<ergonlogic>I'm considering debian packaging too, since drush extensions are really easy to ship that way
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[00:22:26]<darthsteven>ergonlogic: amazing
[00:23:04]<darthsteven>ergonlogic: the most powerful thing about aegir-up is the templates stuff, the fact that one (or more) of the templates installs Aegir is a bonus
[00:23:49]<darthsteven>drupal.org/project/vagrant is good, but doesn't really help you change stuff from the way they've set it up
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[00:24:49]<ergonlogic>darthsteven: :) I need to brush up on ruby, as there complete duplication in the Vagrantfile
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[00:25:40]<ergonlogic>darthsteven: I'd like to be able to just add an additional class to settings.rb, and have aegir-up automagically recognize a new type of VM to add to the network/workspace
[00:26:06]<ergonlogic>rather than special-case hostmaster, hostslave, etc.
[00:27:27]<ergonlogic>I'd like to figure out a plug-in architecture for the utility server too
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[00:29:28]<ergonlogic>here's a (recently revamped) roadmap issue, btw: http://drupal.org/node/1459218
[00:29:29]<hefring>http://drupal.org/node/1459218 => Roadmap => Aegir-up (Vagrant-based Aegir virtual machine), Documentation, normal, active, 0 comments, 1 IRC mention
[00:29:33]<ergonlogic>comments welcome :)
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[00:43:16]<ergonlogic>also, most of the work was already done for the 'aegir-up clone' script, to allow sharing of initialized projects (workspaces) *as templates*
[00:43:47]<ergonlogic>so creating new templates becomes very easy indeed
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[01:11:43]<TribalMan>newbie Q
[01:12:00]<TribalMan>can I install D7 sites using eagir?
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[01:16:36]<anarcat>yes
[01:16:36]<hefring>anarcat: 13 hours 51 min ago <omega8cc> tell anarcat: I guess it is jenkins using its default 'admin' for any commit where it doesn't match any username existing in jenkins config/server, so it is nothing I could fix on my side, even if all commits look correct on d.o, see: http://ci.aegirproject.org/job/D%20aegir%206.x-1.x%20install%20-%20PHP%2...
[01:16:46]<anarcat>i see
[01:17:27]<TribalMan>anarcat: thanks
[01:18:11]<TribalMan>Also… would it mean any downtime on my existing VPS that runs no management software if I install Aeger… its Debian
[01:18:22]<anarcat>downtime?
[01:21:35]<TribalMan>will it cause my sites currently hosted on a raw environment to be unavailable for longer than a few minutes?
[01:27:47]<anarcat>no, i don't think so, unless there is an incompatibility in the NameVirtualHost settings, in which case the outage will be the time you will need to figure out how to fix it :P
[01:28:51]<EclipseGc>anarcat: didn't see you at Drupalcon
[01:28:53]<EclipseGc>:-(
[01:29:10]<anarcat>i know!
[01:29:15]<anarcat>i am sorry i couldn't make it
[01:29:23]<anarcat>but frankly, it seems drupalcon didn't want me :P
[01:29:31]<anarcat>we submitted 3 sessions and 1 training, none was accepted
[01:29:39]<anarcat>so you know... the incentives go down
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[01:30:00]<anarcat>i like to go to drupalcon to contribute, not only to sit in sessions and listen
[01:30:28]<EclipseGc>anarcat: dude I TOTALLY hear that
[01:30:30]<EclipseGc>:-(
[01:30:46]<EclipseGc>anarcat: I submitted a few as well, only got in on a core conversation
[01:31:06]<EclipseGc>anarcat: and really that was "right place right time"
[01:31:18]<anarcat>eh
[01:31:23]<anarcat>i guess i was wrong place wrong time :)
[01:31:40]<EclipseGc>anarcat: if it's any consolation I'm working hard over here to make D8 way easier to make platforms for :-D
[01:32:06]<EclipseGc>anarcat: also, there's a devops track in Munich
[01:32:09]<EclipseGc>:-D
[01:33:06]<anarcat>yay
[01:33:25]<EclipseGc>anarcat: if it's any consolation, the DC training thing was… heh
[01:33:50]<EclipseGc>anarcat: well let's just say they put merlin and a bunch of bots training on panels in a room fit for 30, told them it would sell out
[01:34:00]<EclipseGc>anarcat: they each tweeted once and it was sold out
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[01:34:30]<anarcat>well if they only had space for 30, of course it sold out
[01:35:12]<EclipseGc>anarcat: there were MUCH bigger rooms
[01:35:47]<EclipseGc>anarcat: still, this was the best con in a LONG time
[01:36:03]<EclipseGc>DC was my previous favorite NA con
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[01:37:11]<TribalMan>so I don't need a fresh install on Debian to install Aeger
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[01:52:12]<darthsteven>omega8cc: Jenkins knows you as 'omega8cc' now, instead of 'admin'
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[02:04:07]<omega8cc>darthsteven: thanks!
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[02:42:54]<shrop>q0rban: missed you last week. I assume you were in Denver? Hope all is well man.
[02:43:05]<q0rban>shrop: yeah!
[02:43:12]<q0rban>shrop: all is well.. you?
[02:43:27]<shrop>q0rban: yes Sir! Thanks :)
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[04:22:56]<darthsteven>hefring: Tell mig5 that I'll be unable to make the scrum again, I've worked on fixing some bugs, including one major one that I introduced in 1.7. I would suggest that we should release 1.8 soonish. I also did some work on aegir-up to make it super useful for developing aegir itself.
[04:22:56]<hefring>darthsteven: I'll pass that on when mig5 is around.
[04:28:29]<anarcat>same here
[04:28:34]<anarcat>the time is not convenient for me anymore
[04:28:39]<anarcat>it would need to be pulled back one hour
[04:29:11]<darthsteven>anarcat: Would happily change it :)
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[06:58:03]<ergonlogic>SynchroM: did you see this http://community.aegirproject.org/handbook/administrator/post-install-co...?
[06:59:46]<ergonlogic>mig5 omega8cc: scrum?
[07:00:14]<ergonlogic>darthsteven & anarcat indicated they wouldn't be able to make it today
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[07:00:57]<omega8cc>ergonlogic: we may need to re-schedule it then?
[07:01:12]<SynchroM>yes, I already set that but it didn't help. I made every mention of curl and wget log to a file but none of them are used. I heard that more recent versions of crush are no longer using curl but using native PHP functions like file_et_contents, which internally uses lib curl, though it doesn't read config files. :(
[07:01:20]<ergonlogic>yep, anarcat had asked to re-schedule for an hour earlier
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[07:02:00]<SynchroM>(grr autocorrect: crush == drush!)
[07:02:05]<omega8cc>ergonlogic: makes sense also here, as it is now 10pm cet, not sure about mig5?
[07:02:44]<mig5>hi there
[07:02:44]<hefring>mig5: 2 hours 39 min ago <darthsteven> Tell mig5 that I'll be unable to make the scrum again, I've worked on fixing some bugs, including one major one that I introduced in 1.7. I would suggest that we should release 1.8 soonish. I also did some work on aegir-up to make it super useful for developing aegir itself.
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[07:03:09]<mig5>i am OK for it to be rescheduled - however, if it moves earlier in the day, i won't be showing up :)
[07:03:14]<mig5>and i think that's ok, to be honest...
[07:03:25]<mig5>we've spent years to trying to accomodate for everyone and i think it's the wrong approach
[07:03:44]<mig5>i'll send updates via hefring in advance, and read scrum notes afterward
[07:03:45]<ergonlogic>mig5: ok
[07:03:54]<ergonlogic>mig5: do you have a suggestion?
[07:04:09]<ergonlogic>nobody wants to exclude anyone else
[07:04:14]<mig5>nope. any later is too late for the europeans
[07:04:24]<mig5>any earlier, i will not wake up (hard enough already :) )
[07:04:42]<mig5>and by the time the europeans are getting up, it's late for me, so same problem
[07:04:56]<mig5>reversed
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[07:04:59]<ergonlogic>yep
[07:05:06]<ergonlogic>no wins
[07:05:22]<omega8cc>mig5: hah, hefring could help a bit, but it is then not really interactive :) 22pm cet is still ok for me
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[07:05:56]<mig5>i'm not fussed on 'exclusion', it's simply the nature of things :) i'd sooner see four or 5 of you talking, via logs, than three of us
[07:06:35]<mig5>nothing new from me anyway this week - darthsteven has been amazing in the issue queues, fixed a lot of things. and it looks like i need to finally check out aegir-up
[07:06:59]<omega8cc>or maybe let's schedule two scrums on Monday/Tuesday then? so we could choose which scrum to attend?
[07:07:02]<ergonlogic>well, we do alot of communicating outside the scrums, so I don;t think it's essential
[07:07:22]<ergonlogic>omega8cc: that's another good idea
[07:07:35]<mig5>yes a morning/night scrum could be interesting :)
[07:07:47]<ergonlogic>though maybe monday/thursday, or something
[07:07:54]<ergonlogic>so it's spread out a bit more?
[07:08:02]<omega8cc>sometimes I work late in the night cet
[07:08:03]<mig5>yep
[07:08:05]<omega8cc>good idea
[07:08:20]<ergonlogic>yeah, same here (late nights)
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[07:09:11]<omega8cc>so let's convert the old problem into this new idea
[07:09:35]<ergonlogic>so, monday afternoons, one hour earlier
[07:09:48]<ergonlogic>and thursdays when it's convenient for mig5?
[07:10:31]<ergonlogic>later, we could perhaps schedule the monday ones earlier to be easier on the europeans...
[07:10:44]<omega8cc>sure, is thursday ok for you mig5?
[07:10:48]<mig5>i'm confused on when is 'monday afternoon' - afternoon for who?
[07:10:57]<ergonlogic>re aegir-up, I'min the process of turning it into a drush extension
[07:11:00]<mig5>thursday is fine for me - at *this* time, or the other end of the day?
[07:11:16]<ergonlogic>mig5: well, for me, obviously :P
[07:12:06]<omega8cc>mig5: be the host of the thursday scrum and choose the hour :)
[07:12:21]<ergonlogic>mig5: I meant one hour earlier than current time on mondays (for now)
[07:12:30]<ergonlogic>for the Monday scrums
[07:12:56]<mig5>yes, go one hour earlier on the mondays - as i'll likely just drop out of those, so make it convenient for you
[07:13:12]<ergonlogic>right
[07:14:27]<mig5>and perhaps we go the opposite for Thursday
[07:14:27]<mig5>http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2012&mont...
[07:14:47]<mig5>so it's the time in montreal for oyu that is for me right now, but europeans and asia-pacific can join in
[07:15:36]<mig5>or perhaps one hour earlier, same as you're going to make it for monday
[07:15:49]<mig5>http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2012&mont...
[07:16:18]<omega8cc>this will work for me, but maybe 9pm would be better
[07:16:21]<omega8cc>right
[07:16:55]<mig5>ok sure
[07:17:17]<ergonlogic>alright, I've update the monday scrums on c.a.o
[07:17:38]<ergonlogic>I'll leave it to one of you to add the second scrum time?
[07:17:57]<omega8cc>mig5: :)
[07:18:18]<ergonlogic>I guess we can just remove 'weekly' from those pages now :)
[07:18:29]<omega8cc>yep
[07:20:00]<ergonlogic>hefring tell darthsteven we're moving the Monday scrums up by 1 hour (for now) as per anarcat's request, and starting a second one on Thursdays, to accomodate Mig5 and Omega8cc
[07:20:00]<hefring>ergonlogic: I'll pass that on when darthsteven is around.
[07:20:20]<ergonlogic>hefring tell anarcat we're moving the Monday scrums up by 1 hour (for now) as per your request, and starting a second one on Thursdays, to accomodate Mig5 and Omega8cc
[07:20:20]<hefring>ergonlogic: I'll pass that on when anarcat is around.
[07:21:02]<omega8cc>I still need to take a look at this aegir-up stuff, but am I correct you are rewriting it as a drush ext?
[07:21:10]<ergonlogic>k, so, let's wrap this up, unless anyone had anything substantive?
[07:21:14]<ergonlogic>omega8cc: yep
[07:21:27]<omega8cc>awesome!
[07:21:27]<ergonlogic>the basics are in place
[07:21:39]<ergonlogic>with drush wrappers around the shell scripts I'd written
[07:21:57]<ergonlogic>but I'll start new commands natively in drush, and port the rest as time permits
[07:22:31]<ergonlogic>hefring: log pointer
[07:22:31]<hefring>http://hefring.mig5.net/bot/log/aegir/2012-03-26#T187514
[07:22:39]<omega8cc>I have very little to report this week, basically a bit of simple magic in Aegir and Drush 4.6-dev to make it work with Drupal 8
[07:22:53]<ergonlogic>omega8cc: yeah, that was nice!
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[07:23:17]<ergonlogic>I haven't tried it out yet, but nice to see!
[07:23:42]<omega8cc>that was not really a magic, rather boring search/replace, but still, it is nice it works
[07:24:01]<ergonlogic>drush 5 was released
[07:24:33]<ergonlogic>so we might want to start moving aegir to it
[07:24:43]<omega8cc>yeah, but it drops drupal 5 support and we are not compatible yet, afaik
[07:24:58]<ergonlogic>there are a couple issues about it, yeah
[07:25:04]<omega8cc>so we have a choice in the meantime
[07:25:36]<ergonlogic>well, I guess that can be one of the differentiators for 2.x? no more D5?
[07:27:07]<omega8cc>yeah, however we have still people on pressflow 5, but it will be a good selling point to give them EOL for d5 support in Aegir
[07:27:31]<ergonlogic>drush also supports COMMANDFILE.drush4.inc, or something similar
[07:28:08]<ergonlogic>so we could keep our current functionality for backward compatibility
[07:28:16]<omega8cc>didn't know that, nice
[07:28:19]<ergonlogic>but it would mean alot more code to maintain
[07:28:38]<omega8cc>yeah, not worth the effort probably
[07:29:04]<ergonlogic>it's an option, if we want to deprecate D5 support, I guess
[07:29:59]<ergonlogic>either way drush 5 is the future, and allows for some nifty things
[07:30:02]<ergonlogic>anyway
[07:30:12]<ergonlogic>I'll post the log
[07:30:23]<omega8cc>and this is what makes octopus handy - you can use different versions of drush and different versions of both php-fpm and php-cli per instance on the same server
[07:30:25]<omega8cc>right
[07:30:29]<omega8cc>thanks!
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[07:35:37]<mig5>thanks guys, i updated the scrums page too
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