IRC logs for #aegir, 2012-04-05 (GMT)

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[10:04:10]<halcyonCorsair>omega8cc: ping
[10:04:42]<halcyonCorsair>omega8cc: 1485174 these guys seem to be rolling an old version of expire via BoA perhaps?
[10:07:27]<omega8cc>halcyonCorsair: probably, as it is an old drupal-7.10 there, see also: http://groups.drupal.org/node/221664#comment-728689
[10:07:28]<hefring>http://groups.drupal.org/node/221664 => Domain Module issues => 4 comments, 1 IRC mention
[10:09:06]<halcyonCorsair>omega8cc: if there are any issues / whatever with expire you need fixed (at least for d7) let me know
[10:09:51]<omega8cc>ah, you are a co-maintainer, great!
[10:09:56]<omega8cc>will do
[10:10:04]<halcyonCorsair>yep, cool
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[17:24:41]<wroxbox>ping skwashd a moment in private?
[17:34:14]<skwashd>wroxbox: sure
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[17:49:27]<wroxbox>I am wondering a setup for server clustering with Aegir. I am using hostmaster 1.7 and its web_pack module (deprecating the web_cluster). So my setup is having aegir.domain.com and web1.domain.com, web2.domain.com and web3.domain.com ... the web1,2,3 have also internal names as sles1.domain.com, sles2.domain.com and sles3.domain.com. I have created apache servers to aegir as nodes with names with those sles1,2,3 names
[17:49:28]<wroxbox> and that setup is working. Now I am wondering the "Pack" as It need to have a new name (and internal domain?) to choose which of those apaches will be its master and slave servers.
[17:51:32]<wroxbox>Do I need to have internal dns setup like slescluster.domain.com to create the aegir pack server in the first place to choose sles1.domain.com as a master and sles2.domain.com and sles3.domain.com as slaves?
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[19:48:10]<antillas21>Hi, I'm currently in need to export/take-out a site out aegir into another server without aegir... what would be the best path to follow? I am sure I'm doing something wrong if copying over the sites/domain.com directory and importing the db renders only the frontpage
[19:48:44]<antillas21>with all links and paths pointing at 404 Not Foud (from Apache)
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[21:36:05]<hefring>community => quotas per client => http://community.aegirproject.org/discuss/quotas-client
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[23:14:36]<griz>Hello.
[23:14:36]<hefring>privet
[23:15:56]<griz>I'm setting up SSL - all the links to SSL end up forwarding to my hostmaster site.
[23:16:08]<griz>Anyone had this before?
[23:16:16]<griz>*to SSL pages
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[23:18:31]<griz>knock knock :p
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[23:20:31]<griz>So many people logged in... so little response.
[23:23:31]<usaussie>sorry man -- haven't done ssl with aegir yet.
[23:23:56]<griz>k
[23:24:13]<griz>I think I've had this problem before, just can't remember how I fixed it.
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[23:25:12]<griz>In fact I think it was one of those weird ones where I just left it for a bit, came back to it and it was working.
[23:25:42]<griz>Like I'd fixed it but didn't know which thing had done it. Stuf like that drives me insane.
[23:25:45]<cdracars>if your using 1.7 I heard that ssl got broke in it.
[23:28:26]<griz>How do I find out what version I'm using? I just updated not long ago.
[23:29:11]<cdracars>The version of postmaster should tell you
[23:29:20]<cdracars>*hostmaster
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[00:36:06]<griz>Anyone else think they might be able to shed some light on this?
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[01:00:22]<griz>talkative bunch
[01:01:08]<tuxick>where?
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[01:33:26]<mrfelton>Since upgrading to Aegir 1.7, every migrate op fails stating "Unable to drop database"
[01:33:42]<mrfelton>not: this is for sites hosted on remote servers
[01:33:51]<mrfelton>s/not/note/
[01:34:53]<mrfelton>e.g. http://cl.ly/3g0B0F1r3X2M1M261M3R
[01:35:05]<mrfelton>Anyone else had this
[01:35:37]<mrfelton>I have checked the database perms on the remote server, and the aegir user has full perms from localhost, aegir.example.com, and %
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[01:42:06]<griz>I have an answer for you Mr Felton. It turns out that Aegir actually sucks donkey balls and that we're all better off becoming manual labourers.
[01:42:42]<griz>After about two years of f*cking around, that's the only conclusion I can draw.
[01:43:04]<millette>#aegir-vent anyone?
[01:43:10]<griz>:)
[01:43:28]<millette>mrfelton, I haven't upgraded to 1.7 yet
[01:43:30]<mrfelton>griz: um. Yeah, thats probably it. Apart from the fact that Aegir is Awesome!
[01:43:40]<millette>1.8 should be right around the corner I heard...
[01:44:16]<millette>mrfelton, errors with "drop database" are _very_ spooky to me. What database _did_ it try to drop??
[01:45:19]<mrfelton>millette: I didn't try to drop any database... It's a migrate task - so after everything has finished, one of the last things it tries to do is drop the old database.
[01:46:45]<millette>either it didn't try to drop a database or it tried to drop the old database.....
[01:46:58]<mrfelton>millette: yeah, it tried to drop the old one
[01:47:02]<mrfelton>thats normal
[01:47:07]<mrfelton>but it failed.
[01:47:12]<mrfelton>thats isn't normal!
[01:48:22]<millette>my point is, if it failed because it tried to drop something else, well, that worries me.
[01:49:10]<mrfelton>actually…
[01:49:37]<mrfelton>The migration failed for some other reason
[01:50:02]<mrfelton>millette: The database it tried to drop was the same one that it created at the start of the migrate op
[01:51:36]<mrfelton>also, looking at the logs, it says that it created the database on the aegir server - dispute the fact that I told it to create the database on the remote server
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[01:52:07]<millette>that's what I mean. Dropping databases willy nilly
[01:52:47]<mrfelton>millette: We;;, if a migrate op fails, then its probably right that it should drop the database that it created, otherwise you would be left with hundred of redundant databases, no?
[01:52:55]<mrfelton>s/we;;/well/
[01:53:29]<mrfelton>but why that database was created on the aegir server and not the remote server is a mystery
[01:53:30]<millette>of course, you must drop them.
[01:53:46]<millette>But I don't want, because of a bug, to drop the wrong database. It's all I am trying to say.
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[01:59:46]<mrfelton>Thinking about it, I had a similar issue with a different site on a different remote server the other day… Only say I could get round it was to create a new site, then drush migrate the db and files from the live site onto it, then rename the live site, and migrate the new site to the live domain name
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[02:48:28]<griz>Does anyone have any experience running aegir with multiple IPs on the same server?
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[03:03:39]<ergonlogic>kepford: I believe you had asked about NFS mounting /platforms with Aegir-up, at one point
[03:03:59]<ergonlogic>kepford: all of /var/aegir is mounted via NFS in the latest release
[03:04:21]<anarcat>ergonlogic: i'm curious: why not just /var/aegir/platforms like koumbit does?
[03:04:52]<ergonlogic>anarcat: so we can edit hostmaster too
[03:05:05]<ergonlogic>and provision
[03:05:57]<anarcat>hostmaster should be in platforms/
[03:06:07]<anarcat>but yeah ok
[03:06:12]<kepford>don't you take a performance hit with that ergonlogic
[03:06:30]<anarcat>personally, i would make vagrant suggest sshfs
[03:06:30]<ergonlogic>anarcat: if I can get the .debs to stop trying to chown /var/aegir (if it already exists, and is owned by aegir:aegir), I'd consider doing that
[03:06:44]<ergonlogic>kepford: not significant
[03:06:49]<anarcat>consider what?
[03:06:56]<ergonlogic>kepford: much less than using a VM share
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[03:07:06]<ergonlogic>anarcat: only platforms
[03:07:07]<kepford>Cool ergonlogic
[03:07:49]<ergonlogic>anarcat: and possibly makefiles/ too
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[03:09:10]<anarcat>ergonlogic: how would changing the .deb change any of that for you?
[03:09:11]<anarcat>i don't get it
[03:09:53]<ergonlogic>anarcat: once /var/aegir is mounted under nfs, chown fails, so the .deb install does too
[03:10:16]<anarcat>right
[03:10:33]<anarcat>but you're saying that if i fix that you would mount /var/aegir/platforms under nfs instead, that doesn't make sense to me
[03:10:45]<anarcat>because mounting /var/aegir/platforms instead would fix the problem without having to change the .deb
[03:11:48]<ergonlogic>it gets mounted when Vagrant boots up the VM, so /var/aegir/platforms would already have to exist, and so /var/aegir too
[03:12:28]<ergonlogic>I believe
[03:13:06]<anarcat>doesn't /var/aegir get created by the debian package?
[03:13:13]<anarcat>i think i am completely misunderstanding you
[03:15:05]<ergonlogic>anarcat: http://drupal.org/node/1513518
[03:15:06]<hefring>http://drupal.org/node/1513518 => Have .deb check for existence of /var/aegir => Provision, Debian package, normal, active, 0 comments, 1 IRC mention
[03:16:04]<anarcat>ergonlogic: i think i don't understand what you're doing
[03:16:07]<ergonlogic>anarcat: I don't support a pre-built Aegir base box anymore, so I'm installing Aegir
[03:16:10]<anarcat>where is the nfs server?
[03:16:26]<ergonlogic>on the host, I believe
[03:16:34]<ergonlogic>it's managed by Vagrant
[03:16:48]<ergonlogic>I'm not doing it by hand/puppet/etc.
[03:16:48]<anarcat>what is "the host"?
[03:16:55]<ergonlogic>the local system
[03:16:59]<ergonlogic>not the vm
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[03:18:58]<ergonlogic>sshfs looks interesting, but why "SSHFS is an alternative to [NFS, etc.] only in situations where users are confident that files and directories will not be targeted for writing by another user, at the same time"
[03:19:41]<anarcat>i don't know
[03:19:52]<anarcat>so now vagrant-up assumes you have a local NFS server?
[03:20:09]<ergonlogic>I would think there could be collisions with aegir's operations
[03:20:37]<ergonlogic>anarcat: not necessarily, but it's not uncommon
[03:21:23]<ergonlogic>I believe it's installed by default in OS/X and Debian, for example
[03:21:32]<ergonlogic>though apparently not on Ubuntu
[03:21:58]<anarcat>NFS is not installed, let alone configured, by default on debian
[03:22:15]<anarcat>my view on this is that if you install provision, you own /var/aegir
[03:22:27]<anarcat>otherwise you need to install a package like aegir-slave
[03:22:30]<anarcat>or whatever it's called
[03:22:54]<ergonlogic>rihgt
[03:22:56]<ergonlogic>right
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[03:23:32]<ergonlogic>could there be a switch, perhaps?
[03:24:32]<anarcat>we can talk more about this later, i need to go
[03:24:33]<anarcat>srry!
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[03:32:28]<ergonlogic>anarcat: no problem
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[07:00:44]<derekw_>Is it possible to setup a "pack" that allows me to have a remote master and remote slave (both using NFS) without requiring the main Aegir server to mount the same NFS? Basically deploy to master (using the rsync method), which then is exposed to slave via NFS.
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[09:32:11]<realityloop>halcyonCorsair: ping
[09:34:49]<cweagans>realityloop: Have you seen http://getmnpp.org/ ?
[09:34:49]<hefring>cweagans: 5 days 14 hours ago <darthsteven> tell cweagans we've put the D7 port on hold, anyway so I wouldn't worry about that issue.
[09:34:58]<cweagans>darthsteven: ping.
[09:35:12]<cweagans>darthsteven: why in the world is the d7 port on hold?
[09:35:24]<cweagans>realityloop: I was thinking mnpp could be an interesting thing to get Aegir working on
[09:35:25]<cweagans>:)
[09:35:34]<realityloop>mnpp?
[09:35:44]<cweagans>realityloop: http://getmnpp.org/
[09:36:24]<realityloop>cweagans: http://realityloop.com/blog/2011/10/25/mac-os-x-nginx-mariadb-php-aegir-...
[09:36:45]<realityloop>I'm working on a fabric install script with halcyonCorsair for it at the moment
[09:37:13]<cweagans>realityloop: right. That's why I pinged you about this. You're downloading/compilling nginx and mariadb with brew, whereas http://getmnpp.org/ already has everything precompiled :)
[09:37:46]<realityloop>prefer to use maria as thats what we're using on our servers
[09:37:49]<cweagans>ah
[09:37:52]<cweagans>fair enough :)
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[09:38:12]<realityloop>but it would still be cool for you to figure out for others
[09:38:30]<realityloop>I don't know many people using percona tho
[09:40:07]<cweagans>we use percona :)
[09:40:12]<cweagans>but we don't run drupal
[09:40:13]<cweagans>at all
[09:40:14]<cweagans>so
[09:40:19]<realityloop>heh
[09:40:20]<cweagans>not related :)
[09:41:54]<realityloop>cweagans: do you have a lot of nginx experience?
[09:42:14]<cweagans>realityloop: I have enough nginx experience to take care of most things, but I wouldn't say a *lot* of experience
[09:42:28]<cweagans>realityloop: I mean, I wrote this...http://community.aegirproject.org/content/installing/manual/nginx-mariad...
[09:44:56]<realityloop>cweagans: nice
[09:47:55]<realityloop>d7 port my be on hold while they add Drush 5 support to the D6 version
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[09:48:01]<realityloop>at least I hope so
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[09:55:57]<cweagans>realityloop: meh. imo, d7 port is way more important.
[09:56:40]<realityloop>cweagans: especially if it has Drush 5
[09:57:00]<cweagans>realityloop: why is Drush 5 important?
[09:57:21]<realityloop>because awesomeness
[09:57:27]<cweagans>aside from that, I mean
[09:57:34]<cweagans>because drush 4 has been working pretty well for a while
[09:57:55]<realityloop>cweagans: yeah.. just want to use some of the new stuff.. and cant run them both concurrently
[09:57:58]<cweagans>and an upgrade to D7 would entail a pretty good amount of work, which could always include drush 5 upgrade :)
[09:58:22]<cweagans>realityloop: download drush 5 into your user directory, then `alias /path/to/drush/drush.php` in your .bash_profile?
[09:59:15]<realityloop>cweagans: drush5 currently breaks some things with aegir
[09:59:52]<cweagans>there's gotta be a way that you could run drush 4 while in the hostmaster directory, and drush 5 elsewhere...