IRC logs for #aegir, 2012-04-11 (GMT)

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[10:00:15]<tommyent>omega8cc: Yeah not sure what was the problem but installing it fixed it. I now have this EXIT on error due to invalid DNS setup. I assume it's due to DNS propagation does this mean that the install failed though ?
[10:00:36]<tommyent>omega8cc: Thanks
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[10:01:35]<omega8cc>tommyent: it depends, there are tons of related issues discussed in the Barracuda queue and it shouldn't be a problem if you follow the how-to included in the configuration comments
[10:04:16]<omega8cc>tommyent: but in general, it requires working dns, either fqdn or local
[10:05:15]<tommyent>omega8cc: thanks
[10:08:37]<omega8cc>haha, Vertice will agree probably:
[10:08:40]<omega8cc>"The company is also technologically weird. For example, much of the code that runs the site is written in a horrible computer language called PHP, which stands for nothing you care about. Millions of websites are built with PHP, because it works and it's cheap to run, but PHP is a programming language like scrapple is a meat. Imagine eating two pounds of scrapple every day for the rest of your life — that’s what Facebook does, programming-wise. "
[10:08:48]<omega8cc>from http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/04/facebook-and-instagram-when-your-fa...
[10:10:27]<anarcat>speaking of scrapple, this is great http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/
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[10:14:34]<omega8cc>wow, explained in detail, yeah
[10:15:08]<anarcat>oh yeah
[10:15:10]<anarcat>i had a good laugh
[10:15:26]<omega8cc>:)
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[10:21:03]<mikl>hmm, is there something special I need to do after upgrading to Drush 5.0? My hosting commands are no longer found...
[10:25:13]<omega8cc>mikl: yes, there is something special
[10:26:08]<omega8cc>mikl: the required magic is to downgrade back to 4.5 or 4.6-dev
[10:26:25]<mikl>omega8cc: oh :(
[10:26:31]<omega8cc>yeah
[10:27:09]<omega8cc>http://community.aegirproject.org/discuss/drush-5-and-other-junk
[10:29:53]<omega8cc>haha, "If you got all the way down here, I assumed you agreed with me before you started "
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[10:31:36]<omega8cc>"and, of course, Rasmus Lerdorf for his wild misunderstanding of most of Perl" LOL
[10:32:07]<omega8cc>anarcat: thanks for that link, it is "awesome" :p
[10:32:19]<mikl>omega8cc: yeah, that was fun :)
[10:34:09]<anarcat>it is great
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[11:39:32]<mvc>heh
[11:39:34]<mvc>"The digital substance of our friendships belongs to these companies, and they are loath to share it with others. So we build our little content farms within, friending and upthumbing, learning to accept that our new landlords are people who grew up on Power Rangers."
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[12:28:52]<realityloop>seen sid_jadeja
[12:28:52]<hefring>Sorry, I haven't seen sid_jadeja.
[12:28:52]<hefring>realityloop: 2 days 18 hours ago <halcyonCorsair> tell realityloop: pong
[12:29:07]<realityloop>halcyonCorsair: ping
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[13:01:31]<tommyent>Is running Aegir on 512MB unrealistic? I've read that running Aegir on 512MB will work but right now I can't even access it on the front end because I'm using 180% of the 512
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[13:11:16]<realityloop>tommyent: we have servers with several sites on 512 boxes without issues
[13:11:38]<tommyent>realityloop: weird
[13:11:40]<realityloop>but it may depend on your particular configuration
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[13:12:53]<tommyent>yeah mysql is using about 8/9 % which seems high
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[23:31:22]<Erobaka_>i dont understand why i cant create a site with a different language than english (through aegir) ... it worked in the past, but now when i try to create a new site, i select standard profile (the po file is in profiles/standard/translations/), my platform, 2 languages options are displayed (english and french), but when i click on french, it disapears and only english is available ... i dont understand :/ any help pls ?
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[23:37:34]<Erobaka_>i have the same issue as here http://drupal.org/node/640956
[23:37:34]<hefring>http://drupal.org/node/640956 => Language radio buttons in new site creation disappeared. => Hostmaster (Aegir), User interface, normal, closed (fixed), 4 comments, 1 IRC mention
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[00:46:17]<ergonlogic>for anyone interested in Aegir-up, I just posted http://ergonlogic.com/blog/aegir-vagrant-project-templating-framework
[00:50:37]<cweagans>lol, ergonlogic: !!! WARNING: This blog post contains code !!!
[00:50:38]<ghankstef>ergonlogic: fantastic - been meaning to get my head around vagrant
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[01:35:08]<ergonlogic>:D thanks folks
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[02:10:47]<wamilton>what's the best way to let aegir know that for a given server, the ssl vhost needs to use a private network ip?
[02:11:11]<wamilton>ie, things are set up such that apache needs to listen for traffic on 192.168.xxx.xxx
[02:14:11]<anarcat>assign that IP on the server
[02:21:29]<wamilton>so, it doesn't need the external IP where the server actually is so long as the hostname resolves properly?
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[02:22:24]<wamilton>anarcat: sorry, didn't prefix ^^
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[02:38:29]<stieglitz>hello again. I went through the automatic install on a brand new Ubuntu Server and followed the instructions in the manual to a T and got the standard Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) I've searched and have been unable to find how to proceed. Since this is a re-install of a messed up configuration I am hesitant to try anything without some expert advice. Any takers?
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[02:40:20]<stieglitz>additional info : dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of aegir: aegir depends on aegir-hostmaster (>= 1.7); however: Package aegir-hostmaster is not configured yet. dpkg: error processing aegir (--configure): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[02:42:02]<stieglitz>perhaps it's something easy I missed?
[02:42:24]<wamilton>it looks like apt doesn't see the required package
[02:42:35]<wamilton>you're doing this? http://community.aegirproject.org/content/installing/automatic-installat...
[02:43:37]<stieglitz>yeah looking at that again I think I missed a step :-/
[02:44:05]<wamilton>yeah, I was gonna say, I don't think you did the whole add to sources and apt-get update dance properly
[02:44:13]<stieglitz>I will try again from the top :-| Thank you
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[02:44:28]<wamilton>godspeed
[02:44:46]<stieglitz>exactly thanks
[02:47:25]<stieglitz>No It seems I did follow all the steps after all
[02:47:39]<stieglitz>It still gives me the message
[02:47:59]<wamilton>ok, so if you do 'apt-cache search aegir' what do you see?
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[02:52:38]<stieglitz>i'll try that brb
[02:53:11]<stieglitz>aegir - mass Drupal hosting system
[02:53:12]<stieglitz>aegir-cluster-slave - web frontend for the Aegir hosting system
[02:53:14]<stieglitz>aegir-hostmaster - mass Drupal hosting system - frontend
[02:53:15]<stieglitz>aegir-provision - mass Drupal hosting system - backend
[02:54:01]<wamilton>ok, so we definitely have access to the dependencies...
[02:54:40]<stieglitz>perhaps it is a problem with my FQDN ?
[02:54:41]<wamilton>and you're su'ed right?
[02:54:47]<stieglitz>yes
[02:54:53]<wamilton>echo $HOME
[02:54:59]<wamilton>just to humor me ;)
[02:55:45]<stieglitz>oops root
[02:56:13]<stieglitz>i typed the backslash root at first
[02:56:30]<stieglitz>but yeah it says root
[02:56:40]<wamilton>ok, good...
[02:58:17]<wamilton>and you just retried 'apt-get install' and got the exact same error from dpkg?
[02:58:51]<stieglitz>yeah apt get install aegir-hostmaster and apt-get aegir both gave the same result
[02:59:21]<stieglitz>not apt-get install
[02:59:37]<wamilton>what?
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[03:00:42]<stieglitz>sorry yeah I did that and got the same result apt-get install is the same as 'apt-get install aegir'
[03:02:01]<tommyent>Would this be the best documentation for moving a Drupal site to Aegir http://groups.drupal.org/node/24992 it was the most up to date I could find
[03:02:02]<hefring>http://groups.drupal.org/node/24992 => Importing Existing Websites into Aegir => 0 comments, 3 IRC mentions
[03:04:47]<stieglitz>tommyent: http://community.aegirproject.org/content/content/administrator/post-ins...
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[03:05:18]<wamilton>stieglitz: did you see this: http://community.aegirproject.org/node/548 ?
[03:05:44]<tommyent>stieglitz: thanks
[03:05:55]<wamilton>stieglitz: you can put the apt-get into debug mode and get a closer look at what exactly is screwing it up
[03:06:49]<stieglitz>I had seen that elsewhere but not as complete I will check it out. I ran the debug script and this is what it said
[03:07:09]<stieglitz>No apport report written because the error message indicates its a followup error from a previous failure.
[03:07:43]<stieglitz>so perhaps I can find that report huh?
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[03:08:21]<wamilton>that, or we just back apt out of this ditch it's stuck in and you can get the real debug
[03:08:36]<wamilton>it may in fact be that as soon as we do that, you actually get a clean install
[03:09:26]<stieglitz>Hey wamilton: I really appreciate the help. I've taken enough of your time and I was trying to do this on my lunch which is now over.
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[03:09:46]<wamilton>ok, good luck
[03:09:48]<stieglitz>oh it is tempting to keep trying
[03:10:23]<stieglitz>so how would I back apt out (sorry)
[03:10:44]<stieglitz>apt-get remove?
[03:12:24]<wamilton>sudo apt-get install -f
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[03:14:24]<stieglitz>ok before i do that could you take a look at this pastebin and tell me if it looks correct It may show i made an error
[03:14:49]<wamilton>sure
[03:16:49]<stieglitz>http://pastebin.com/LfveA9Rx
[03:18:49]<wamilton>that's all fine, it has nothing to do with this issue
[03:19:38]<stieglitz>thanks for humoring me ;-) thought maybe the subdomain could mess it up . ok running the cmmand
[03:20:28]<stieglitz>ok same thing
[03:20:45]<wamilton>dpkg --configure -a
[03:20:59]<noecc>stieglitz: See item #8 http://community.aegirproject.org/installing/debian
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[03:22:17]<wamilton>noecc: I think we can already be pretty sure that his apt is just 'stuck' right now
[03:23:11]<stieglitz>ok this time it just said errors occurred while processing but not the dpkg issue
[03:24:28]<wamilton>new errors are always kind of good :)
[03:24:29]<stieglitz>I take it back it did give the same message just more
[03:24:39]<wamilton>what's the more?
[03:26:16]<stieglitz>sorry I didnt notice it before...but scrolled back it was all the same
[03:26:38]<wamilton>haha oh well...
[03:27:19]<stieglitz>ahh but in scrolling back [dont shoot me] it says it cannot connect to the DB
[03:27:40]<stieglitz>but i swear I entered the same PW both times
[03:27:45]<wamilton>ok... looks good and truly stuck
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[03:28:04]<wamilton>this might help: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=5282035&postcount=6
[03:28:15]<stieglitz>i'm gonna past the entire message.
[03:28:21]<wamilton>ok
[03:29:21]<stieglitz>http://pastebin.com/TsZC12yM
[03:30:28]<stieglitz>i see it says I am executing as the aegir user
[03:30:56]<stieglitz>but I am root
[03:31:08]<wamilton>yeah, the issue is the MySQL user
[03:32:22]<stieglitz>so that figures cause I am worse at command line mysql than I am at command line
[03:32:43]<wamilton>and if you do `mysql -uroot -p` and put in the password you're feeding the install script, what happens?
[03:33:01]<stieglitz>i'll check
[03:36:27]<ergonlogic>stieglitz: probably not an option for you at this point, but we use the aegir puppet module to manage most of our production Aegir servers at Koumbit
[03:36:31]<stieglitz>my putty terminal choked back in a sec access denied for u root
[03:36:48]<ergonlogic>stieglitz: only directly supports Debian, though
[03:37:08]<ergonlogic>http://drupal.org/project/puppet-aegir
[03:37:11]<wamilton>stieglitz: it seems like the mysql configuration needs work...
[03:37:22]<stieglitz>I am on a VPS and i can reinstal at the drop of a hat if it is easier
[03:37:40]<wamilton>stieglitz: it generally is :)
[03:38:38]<stieglitz>ok then let me give that a shot.I appreciate all your help both of you have made me have faith in the Drupal community :-)
[03:38:57]<ergonlogic>stieglitz: is it a local VPS ala VirtualBox?
[03:39:10]<stieglitz>no VPS.net
[03:39:33]<ergonlogic>ok and this is intended for production, or dev/testing?
[03:39:54]<stieglitz>they have a variety... well a little of both
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[03:40:22]<stieglitz>I have a couple low traffic prod sites that will go on it
[03:40:40]<stieglitz>or should i say go BACK on it :-/
[03:41:13]<stieglitz>but primarily Development...is there a reason you ask?
[03:41:19]<ergonlogic>I built Aegir-up as a local dev/test sandbox
[03:41:29]<ergonlogic>atop Vagrant and VirtualBox
[03:42:13]<ergonlogic>it uses the aforementioned puppet module
[03:42:18]<stieglitz>Yeah I failed to get it on my ubuntu local so I was coming here.....yes virtualbox is very easy but my local system limitations make it less than ideal
[03:43:15]<stieglitz>okay thanks I'll check out vagrant is there an image for Virt. Box?
[03:43:30]<stieglitz>never used Vagrant
[03:44:20]<ergonlogic>Vagrant is a cli wrapper around VirtualBox
[03:44:28]<ergonlogic>check out vagrantup.com
[03:45:09]<ergonlogic>Aegir-up is (now) a Drush extension, so that'd be 'drush dl aegir-up'
[03:45:13]<stieglitz>ok. Thank you. Still a newb but a little less thanx to ya'll
[03:45:34]<stieglitz>yeah? I've heard shrop talking about it
[03:46:00]<ergonlogic>gotta love the Shrop
[03:46:23]<ergonlogic>I hear he got promoted to "The" shrop now :)
[03:46:46]<shrop>:)
[03:46:50]<ergonlogic>Anyway, I've been re-factoring it pretty mercilessly lately
[03:47:04]<ergonlogic>so sorry to anyone who's projects I've broken
[03:47:42]<stieglitz>Thanks for the links they look awesome. LOL @ THE shrop. I may have to go out and by that puter I've been wanting now
[03:47:43]<shrop>drush dl aegir-up.. wow!
[03:48:08]<stieglitz>speak of the "devil"
[03:48:30]<shrop>ergonlogic: I didn't know about the drush stuff.. I am checking that out today!
[03:48:31]<ergonlogic>i hope to have the 'vagrant template framework' bits broken out to their own project at some point
[03:48:42]<stieglitz>just getting boned up on my aegir. but gotta run. thanks again you all
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[03:49:39]<ergonlogic>shrop: I'd love your feedback
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[03:50:24]<ergonlogic>shrop: I wrote this up earlier, to explain a bit more what I'm doing in the 'experimental' branch
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[03:50:53]<ergonlogic>shrop: and why I'm suggesting this: http://drupal.org/node/1504598
[03:50:54]<hefring>http://drupal.org/node/1504598 => Discuss merging Vagrant-based Drupal/Drush projects => Vagrant, Miscellaneous, normal, active, 9 comments, 2 IRC mentions
[03:50:54]<shrop>cool.. will check that out.. nice..
[03:51:22]<ergonlogic>oops... missed the earlier link: http://ergonlogic.com/blog/aegir-vagrant-project-templating-framework
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[03:53:12]<shrop>on my reading list :)
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[04:16:49]<jwester>is it possible to restore a backup from one site into another?
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[05:30:11]* ergonlogic just reposted a bunch of comments that had been lost after last week's little snafu with the community site
[05:31:19]* ergonlogic urges anyone interested in the future of the Aegir project to check it out, since there are some major changes in the roadmap: http://community.aegirproject.org/discuss/drush-5-and-other-junk#comment...
[05:38:56]* shrop noted more reading material from ergonlogic
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[07:02:05]<stieglitz>I just trashed my aegir install that was stuck on Ubuntu 11.04 and am attempting it again. I was wondering after talking with ergonlogic, which is the preferred method as I am a bit confused which is better for a production environment. Anybody have an opinion?
[07:05:14]<stieglitz>It failed on Ubuntu 11.04 LAMP x64 would Ubuntu 11.04 x64 perhaps have a better chance? I was hoping to use the puppet module
[07:11:58]<anarcat>i would run it on debian squeeze
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[07:14:14]<stieglitz>ok thanks anarcat
[07:14:44]<stieglitz>perfect timing was just about to hit create :-)
[07:15:20]<gandhiano>I'm trying to plan/implement a multisite drupal setup that should allow users to do theme edition and possibly also upload modules (although they should be "moderated" for additional security). Theme edition is particularly relevant, but haven't come yet with a good and secure model for organizing this with aegir. Any recommendations?
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[07:16:15]<gandhiano>of course that, if direct file system access (through SFTP) is dispensable (for example through modules), then I would be happy to consider it
[07:17:15]<gandhiano>the question can be reduced to: how to give power to site developers (and reduce server admins overhead), while keeping the whole thing secure?
[07:19:33]<anarcat>we don't know of a good way yet
[07:19:48]<anarcat>see http://drupal.org/node/762138
[07:19:48]<hefring>http://drupal.org/node/762138 => Design security issue with developer access to sites' modules and themes => Provision, Code, major, active, 31 comments, 2 IRC mentions
[07:20:02]<anarcat>basically, what you need to do is to make drush and provision *not* bootstrap the site
[07:20:10]<anarcat>or when it does, do it as the www-data user
[07:22:11]<anarcat>i'll post another wrap up
[07:22:25]<gandhiano>anarcat, you mean by that not setting its permissions to aegir:aegir?
[07:22:36]<anarcat>no
[07:22:38]<gandhiano>*ownership
[07:22:47]<anarcat>by that i mean do things like flushing the cache as the www-data user, with sudo
[07:23:55]<gandhiano>ok, I see the thread now and understand the issue (more critical than I thought)
[07:24:15]<gandhiano>so, actually for now a more proper solution for theme edition would be theme editor itself, right?
[07:24:23]<gandhiano>because it's not changing the files themselves
[07:24:34]<gandhiano>although it's kind of buggy for d7 at the moment
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[07:26:51]<gandhiano>ok, I'm subscribing to this thread to follow up on this - thanks anarcat
[07:27:16]<anarcat>i don't know the theme editor but it sounds like a good solution
[07:27:58]<gandhiano>it's actually pretty powerful and user-friendly - so a good go for most users; but unfortunately it's partially breaking imce upload window (will now submit bug report)
[07:28:02]<stieglitz>gandhiano: have you seen how drupal gardens is doing their theme editing? I'm not sure how relevant it is to the discussion but it has fascinated me
[07:28:14]<gandhiano>stieglitz, no, don't know about it
[07:29:08]<stieglitz>wow you should go there and create a "free site" its amazing imo...but more for the end user not so much a pro designer
[07:29:54]<gandhiano>stieglitz, but it seems that their free sites are powered by non-GPL code - http://drupal.org/node/720898#comment-2627012 ;)
[07:29:55]<hefring>http://drupal.org/node/720898 => Which module supplies the 'Style Editor' as seen on Drupal Gardens? => 15 comments, 1 IRC mention
[07:30:31]<gandhiano>I'll have a look anyway, but I must say that theme editor is also going pretty good
[07:30:45]<gandhiano>on the d7 version
[07:30:46]<stieglitz>THAT is what I'd like to know
[07:31:28]<stieglitz>Theme editor is great. Drupal gardens themer is way more gui
[07:31:35]<anarcat>yeah, the Garden is Walled :)
[07:31:48]<anarcat>to be fair you can export your stuff out of there, but stil...
[07:32:28]<stieglitz>exactly anarcat: I think it may be along the lines of jquery theme roller
[07:34:11]<stieglitz>FYI my only vps.net choices for Debian were Lenny
[07:34:33]<stieglitz>so it looks like I am going to try to upgrade to squeeze
[07:35:47]<gandhiano>is there actually a way to subscribe to a drupal.org queue without writing a stupid comment to it?
[07:35:59]<gandhiano>ah, yes, just found the follow button :P
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[07:37:18]<gandhiano>ok, anyway, I'm going to leave file level access (SFTP) out for now because of the mentioned issue and dedicate to make theme editor work properly
[07:37:38]<gandhiano>also visiting those walled gardens for inspiration ;)
[07:39:18]<stieglitz>i'm outta here. Thanks for the help and inspiration!
[07:39:35]<gandhiano>thank you too stieglitz
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[07:46:09]<hefring>Git => Issue #1528996 and #1527852 by PlayfulWolf - Nginx microcaching shouldn't cache any... => http://drupalcode.org/project/provision.git/commitdiff/2f555585299ac2b47...
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