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[18:01:54]<darthsteven>Office hours?
[18:01:54]<hefring>Twice weekly sessions where people knowledgeable about Aegir will hang out in IRC and help resolve issues and fix bugs, for more details see here: http://community.aegirproject.org/content/office-hours
[18:02:31]<darthsteven>Indeed, office hours will continue for the next couple of hours
[18:03:56]<wroxbox>darthsteven: have you had time to think the workaround for the issue http://drupal.org/node/1534948
[18:03:57]<hefring>http://drupal.org/node/1534948 => Migrate rollback shouldn't happen after a certain point => Provision, Code, normal, active, 2 comments, 2 IRC mentions
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[18:10:23]<darthsteven>wroxbox: A little, but not really come up with anything
[18:11:25]<darthsteven>Basically there is a point after which, internally, we've decided to use the migrated site, but if something fails after that, it's a problem to communicate that the task failed, but not completely
[18:15:25]<darthsteven>It might be something that we have to say, we can't do this in 1.x, and fix it in a later version
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[18:18:36]<wroxbox>is the 2.x branch somewhat production ready?
[18:29:56]<mig5>apologies in advance, I can't make it to the scrum tonight darthsteven
[18:30:17]<mig5>(tonight == 1.5 hours away)
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[18:41:17]<darthsteven>mig5: no problem
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[21:29:24]<mikl>Is there a way to stop Aegir from trying to send the "site created" welcome mail?
[21:29:48]<mikl>If this mail cannot be sent, installation will fail :(
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[21:34:35]<darthsteven>mikl: you will have to comment out where its sent in provision to do that, there's no way to suppress it
[21:34:54]<mikl>darthsteven: ah, that's nasty
[21:35:12]<darthsteven>a working email server is a requirement for Aegir
[21:35:25]<darthsteven>so if you don't have one, then you can expect it to break/not work
[21:36:19]<mikl>darthsteven: the mail server works fine - aegir just sends mail to invalid addresses (ie. webmaster@subdomain.example.com)
[21:36:38]<mikl>which the mail server refuses to accept
[21:39:37]<darthsteven>well, feel free to post a patch!
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[23:52:07]<stieglitz>I am attempting again. Once again I think I am close except for this flippin error http://pastebin.com/hhhK7f92
[23:52:58]<wamilton>hello again
[23:52:58]<hefring>wamilton: 14 hours 38 min ago <halcyonCorsair> tell wamilton: not /usr/local/Cellar/php/5.3.10/etc/php-fpm.conf, umm, i'll check the location later, there should be a pool.d directory containing config somewhere
[23:53:46]<wamilton>look at the @server_master drush alias please
[23:55:09]<wamilton>/var/aegir/.drush/server_master.alias.drushrc.php
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[23:56:39]<wamilton>it should have a line like:'http_restart_cmd' => `some-command-that-won't-work-when-the-aegir-user-tries-it`
[23:59:02]<wamilton>I've had this issue before too: the problem is that the OS wants the http server to be started/restarted/stopped in a certain way, although it is technically possible to get the server to do that another way, that isn't sustainable
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[00:01:47]<wamilton>for example, aegir was trying to do `/etc/init.d/httpd restart` and it needed to do `sudo service httpd graceful`
[00:01:50]<wamilton>ymmv
[00:02:06]<wamilton>stieglitz: sorry, didn't prefix any of ^^^
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[00:10:27]<stieglitz>wamilton:sorry my irc client got minimized
[00:14:26]<stieglitz>http_restart_cmd' => 'sudo /usr/sbin/apache2ctl graceful ahh so I might change that to http_restart_cmd' => ' /usr/sbin/apache2ctl graceful
[00:15:31]<stieglitz>wamilton:its complaining about the sethandler
[00:16:44]<stieglitz>hello again back btw :-)
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[00:21:36]<wamilton>stieglitz: you probably need sudo, and can you paste the sethandler line?
[00:22:00]<wamilton>derp, nm
[00:23:00]<wamilton>how did that line come to be in your httpd.conf?
[00:23:54]<wamilton>stieglitz: in any case, breaking the line after server-status will stop that error from happening
[00:25:39]<wamilton>stieglitz: I only ask how that line (which should be 4 lines) came to be in there because 1) it's not valid and 2) I just made a fresh Debian 6 machine that doesn't have anything in the httpd.conf
[00:30:04]<stieglitz>wamilton: self inflicted as per tutorial
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[00:30:36]<stieglitz>ok
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[00:36:51]<stieglitz>wamilton: ok i deleted the hostmaster/sites/mysite and reran drush hostmaster it succeeded and gave user login link but all i get is the apache "It works"
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[00:42:10]<wamilton>what happens if you restart apache?
[00:43:57]<stieglitz>wamilton: permission denied but i typed /usr/sbin/apache2ctl graceful
[00:44:50]<stieglitz>sudo gives me : /usr/sbin/apache2ctl start|stop|restart|graceful|graceful-stop|configtest|status|fullstatus|help
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[00:47:37]<stieglitz>sudo now give me Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using swingon.in for ServerName
[00:48:39]<wamilton>stieglitz: `hostname -f` and `uname -n` -- what do they tell you?
[00:50:31]<stieglitz>hostname swingon uname swingon.in
[00:51:19]<stieglitz>wamilton: sorry keep forgetting prefixes
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[01:45:57]<theMusician>I was just curious about office hours. Did they occur today? If so, how did they go?
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[01:54:16]<wamilton>theMusician: if they were supposed to occur afer 0845 CST then no
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[01:55:23]<theMusician>wamilton: 0800 UTC which I thought was 8:00 PST
[01:55:57]<theMusician>maybe that translates to 8p
[01:56:00]<theMusician>pm
[01:56:01]<wamilton>theMusician: no idea about that, I'm just saying how long my backscroll is
[01:56:44]<wamilton>theMusician: i.e., if it was supposed to be here in the last 2 hours, it wasn't
[01:57:05]<theMusician>wamilton: right, thank you.
[01:58:41]<omega8cc>theMusician: see http://hefring.mig5.net/bot/log/aegir/2012-04-19#T196716
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[01:59:54]<omega8cc>wamilton: this channel is logged ^^
[02:00:16]<theMusician>omega8cc: thanks, I want to support the office hours, I just need to be there on time.
[02:00:36]<omega8cc>theMusician: that is great!
[02:00:44]<omega8cc>theMusician: thanks
[02:01:06]<omega8cc>Office hours?
[02:01:06]<hefring>Twice weekly sessions where people knowledgeable about Aegir will hang out in IRC and help resolve issues and fix bugs, for more details see here: http://community.aegirproject.org/content/office-hours
[02:02:16]<theMusician>omega8cc: Ok, I will be working on converting UTC to my timezone again. I believe I miscalculated this time around.
[02:02:37]<omega8cc>k
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[02:35:48]<careernerd>just installed barracuda for the first time, pretty exciting stuff!
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[02:39:37]<careernerd>I am recovering from slicehost automatically migrating (read: breaking) a 2+ year old aegir
[02:43:40]<careernerd>I can't seem to clear the anonymous homepage cache, I am totally unfamiliar with nginx, etc.... can anyone point me towards some help?
[02:45:14]<careernerd>oh wow, nevermind... just found it in omega8cc faq X|
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[04:41:43]<wamilton>how does one hook into the creation of a server, to run a chef script to provision a new aws instance, for example?
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[05:28:18]<theMusician>w00t! 1.7 to 1.8 upgrade went butter smooth
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[07:15:27]<stieglitz>here I am again. I have a fresh ubuntu server LTS and I just want to get aegir running locally. What is the best way? Vagrant? Quickstart? any suggestions?
[07:15:51]<gboudrias>stieglitz: Aegir-up :)
[07:16:26]<gboudrias>stieglitz: http://drupal.org/project/aegir-up If by "locally" you mean "in a virtual environment"
[07:16:37]<gboudrias>(Aegir-up uses vagrant)
[07:18:32]<stieglitz>well i am running LTS non-virtual [term?](newb)
[07:18:47]<wamilton>stieglitz: by locally do you mean on the computer sitting in front of you?
[07:19:05]<stieglitz>well actually its a laptop
[07:19:24]<stieglitz>but yes it is in front of me ;-) but I am not on it
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[07:20:08]<stieglitz>hey wamilton: didn't see you sneak up on me :-)
[07:20:45]<wamilton>stieglitz: alright, now do you want to virtualize the machine that will be running the aegir server, or no?
[07:20:50]<stieglitz>wamilton: all the other work was done on a remote vps....setting that aside for the time being
[07:21:51]<stieglitz>wamilton: I am not sure the laptop I am working with has enough power to run the VM
[07:21:59]<stieglitz>it is a P4
[07:22:25]<wamilton>ok, that means we aren't using vagrant, so no aegir-up, no quickstart, fully local
[07:22:41]<cweagans>stieglitz: the manual has directions: http://community.aegirproject.org/installing/debian or http://community.aegirproject.org/content/installing/manual/nginx-mariad...
[07:23:06]<wamilton>cweagans: he has been trying for a week to follow the directions :)
[07:23:19]<cweagans>wamilton: stieglitz: so what's the problem?
[07:23:22]<stieglitz>cweagans: I know. I have been over and over and over it. no disrespect
[07:23:40]<wamilton>cweagans: stieglitz is a bit of a n00b :)
[07:23:52]<stieglitz>never been good at following directions ;-)
[07:24:18]<cweagans>stieglitz: lol. well, what problem did you run into?
[07:24:27]<stieglitz>not really I have followed the directions to a tee. but yes quite a bit of a newb
[07:24:49]<wamilton>stieglitz: is this 10.04?
[07:25:41]<stieglitz>well currently my remote vps server was running fine with aegir. Got that set up then it stopped verifying sites so I rebuilt it but have never gotten it going again
[07:26:44]<stieglitz>so after many attempts and with the help of wamilton: I set that aside and have loaded ubuntu server on a local laptop ready to try again locally
[07:27:09]<stieglitz>perhaps I can then take the local knowledge and apply it to the remote :-/
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[07:28:10]<stieglitz>i'd be willing to give you ssh access, sign my kids over, whatever
[07:29:05]<stieglitz>wamilton: sorry yeah it is 10.04 on the laptop
[07:30:05]<cweagans>stieglitz: set up a vps with debian 6 and I'll set you up
[07:30:40]<stieglitz>cweagans:oh man I feel bad that is much too kind
[07:30:52]<cweagans>stieglitz: It will literally take me 20 minutes.
[07:31:34]<cdracars>Is it better to setup with apache or nginx?
[07:31:42]<cweagans>cdracars: imo, nginx
[07:31:46]<cweagans>much faster
[07:31:58]<cdracars>cweagans: time to learn nginx thanks
[07:32:05]<cweagans>and more friendly to your RAM :)
[07:33:18]<stieglitz>cweagans:awesome would that be Debian 6.0 x64 without LAMP ?
[07:33:25]<cweagans>perfect.
[07:33:36]<stieglitz>k
[07:33:44]<wamilton>stieglitz: pm him the credentials ;)
[07:33:59]<cweagans>ya
[07:37:29]<stieglitz>cweagans:ok it was giving me trouble with selecting my hostname but it is queued for building
[07:37:47]<cweagans>stieglitz: cool. who is this machine hosted with?
[07:37:51]<cweagans>just out of curiosity
[07:37:53]<stieglitz>vps.net
[07:38:00]<cweagans>cool :)
[07:38:34]<stieglitz>so i'm sure it would be faster for you to do it than walk me through it what would you like?
[07:40:17]<stieglitz>I am definately paying for the backup after this :-)
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[07:40:36]<cweagans>stieglitz: if you want, I can set it up so that you can watch what I'm doing as I do it
[07:40:40]<cweagans>screen is amazing like that.
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[07:41:19]<stieglitz>that would be awesome
[07:41:27]<stieglitz>-er
[07:49:27]<cweagans>stieglitz: how goes the machine build?
[07:50:14]<stieglitz>still building :-/
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[07:56:13]<stieglitz>still not up
[07:56:20]<cweagans>jeez dude
[07:56:22]<cweagans>try linode =D
[07:56:26]<cweagans>much much much faster
[07:56:39]<stieglitz>ha yeah it's free
[07:57:00]<cweagans>lol
[07:57:05]<stieglitz>first vps so nothing to compare to. its usually not this slow
[07:58:51]<stieglitz>sorry man
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[07:59:03]<cweagans>no worries. I'll be here for a while.
[07:59:09]<cweagans>except for the next two minutes
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[08:00:28]<stieglitz>I wonder if I did something wrong: Just read this Rebuilding your server's disk can take up to 60 minutes. If you would like to upgrade only CPU and RAM, your server will be back online with only a quick reboot
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[08:02:17]<cweagans>stieglitz: well, if you're doing a fresh reinstall, then that sounds like you're rebuilding the disk
[08:02:28]<cweagans>but 60 minutes…man, those guys must not care about their customers =P
[08:02:32]<cweagans>linode = 2 minutes, tops
[08:02:45]<cweagans>same with rackspace, aws, and just about every vps provider ever.
[08:02:48]<stieglitz>:-/
[08:03:05]<stieglitz>entire rebuilds?
[08:03:33]<cweagans>yeah
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[08:03:44]<cweagans>like, deleting the virtual disk and reinstalling the os
[08:03:47]<cweagans>brand new vm
[08:04:50]<stieglitz>nice. I'll remember that. I've been wondering if all my aegir problems could be slightly not my fault. Maybe I'll just go with that.
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[08:05:38]<cweagans>I highly recommend Linode. They are absolutely amazing.
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[08:06:52]<stieglitz>well hey I appreciate it. I cant expect you to wait around. I've gotta go home as the wife and kids are waiting. I will definately check out linode. If you are around later and the offer still stands that would be great. If not I understand and sure appreciate the sentiment
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[08:07:38]<cweagans>stieglitz: yeah, just let me know when. it's no problem at all.
[08:08:56]<stieglitz>ok. thank you.
[08:09:03]<stieglitz>ttyl
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[08:22:15]<Stiggy>Cweagans: can't figure out how to change nick in mobile irc (stieglitz)
[08:22:32]<cweagans>oh, hi
[08:22:46]<Stiggy>Hi
[08:22:46]<hefring>bonjour
[08:23:18]<Stiggy>typical american only 1 language
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[08:27:29]<Stiggy>I see what happened . I logged in 2 freenode twice
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[09:23:45]<Stiggy>Cweagans: still building :-/
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[09:32:40]<cweagans>Stiggy: yikes. why don't you send me an email when it's done: cweagans@gmail.com
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