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| [10:01:16] | <Stiggy> | Cweagans: ok. Will do. |
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| [10:31:38] | <stieglitz> | Cweagans: you still here? I'm thinking about Springing for linode right |
| [10:31:45] | <stieglitz> | Now |
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| [14:14:18] | <rovo> | trying to think how i would build a site around aegir if i had to |
| [14:14:51] | <rovo> | need to figure out how to get around the vhosts currently in place for aegir |
| [14:21:38] | <rovo> | Anyone else run into an issue where Aegir stops verifying sites? |
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| [23:39:59] | <stieglitz> | I'm working on trying to install aegir and after working in shell I realize I am even more of a newb than I thought. So I have a totally dumb question but I cant find the answer. |
| [23:41:56] | <stieglitz> | I just created a Debian 6 x64 vps, logged in as root, but cant run sudo commands, so I'm thinking I have to install sudo. apt get-install sudo doesnt work. aptitude install might but it says it will remove a package. I'm afraid to mess anything up |
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| [23:55:38] | <stieglitz> | hey wamilton: see my newb question? |
| [23:59:12] | <wamilton> | stieglitz: I did not |
| [23:59:16] | <wamilton> | stieglitz: what's up? |
| [23:59:36] | <stieglitz> | I just created a Debian 6 x64 vps, logged in as root, but cant run sudo commands, so I'm thinking I have to install sudo. apt get-install sudo doesnt work. aptitude install might but it says it will remove a package. I'm afraid to mess anything up |
| [23:59:55] | <stieglitz> | :-/ |
| [00:02:55] | <wamilton> | stieglitz: don't use aptitude |
| [00:03:07] | <wamilton> | root doesn't need sudo |
| [00:03:21] | <wamilton> | sudo means 'run the following with the root user' |
| [00:03:49] | <wamilton> | if you're already root because you did `sudo su`, don't use `sudo` |
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| [00:04:08] | <wamilton> | what command are you trying to run? |
| [00:04:15] | <stieglitz> | no i logged in as root but I wanted to create a sudoer |
| [00:04:58] | <stieglitz> | just setting up to run update and install drush as per http://community.aegirproject.org/installing/debian |
| [00:05:26] | <wamilton> | step # ? |
| [00:06:35] | <wamilton> | note that nowhere in these directions does it tell you to become root.... |
| [00:06:49] | <stieglitz> | wamilton:Then run: |
| [00:06:49] | <stieglitz> | sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install drush |
| [00:08:13] | <wamilton> | stieglitz: how did you log into the machine? can you give me the ssh line? |
| [00:08:33] | <wamilton> | if it doesn't have your password in it... |
| [00:08:52] | <stieglitz> | through putty |
| [00:09:05] | <stieglitz> | then entered root pass |
| [00:09:08] | <wamilton> | ok, and the user you gave putty, was that 'root' ? |
| [00:09:17] | <stieglitz> | yes |
| [00:09:22] | <wamilton> | ugh... |
| [00:09:33] | <wamilton> | you should never ever ever ever ever ever ever ssh as root |
| [00:10:06] | <stieglitz> | I thought I had to ssh as root to change |
| [00:10:11] | <wamilton> | nope |
| [00:10:19] | <stieglitz> | hmmm |
| [00:10:35] | <stieglitz> | i know it is a security risk does it mess up the install? |
| [00:11:19] | <wamilton> | there are edge cases where there is a difference between running something su'd as root vs using sudo |
| [00:11:22] | <wamilton> | so, it can |
| [00:11:34] | <wamilton> | but, I don't know if it definitely will |
| [00:11:37] | <stieglitz> | I'm sure you're busy so you can tell me to bug off ;-) |
| [00:11:54] | <stieglitz> | k |
| [00:11:56] | <wamilton> | stieglitz: I want to get you through this |
| [00:12:07] | <stieglitz> | lol not as much as me :-) |
| [00:12:11] | <wamilton> | stieglitz: when you were setting up the vps, did it prompt you to make a user? |
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| [00:12:35] | <stieglitz> | i have the linode aegir setup sort of cweagans helped with that last night |
| [00:13:09] | <stieglitz> | no this one vps.net just creates the default root and gives a password |
| [00:13:38] | <stieglitz> | telling me to change my root password :-/ |
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| [00:17:03] | <wamilton> | well, it looks like the Linode way of doing things is that ssh is only for root and that's just what you do... so I guess you can try the walkthrough and just never type sudo |
| [00:18:36] | <wamilton> | one of the distinguishing characteristics of Debian and its derivatives is the use of sudo, so they made a very intentional choice to do away with it for their build of Debian, so I guess do it their way |
| [00:19:09] | <wamilton> | if it doesn't work, it's a virtual anyway so it shouldn't be too difficult to get it set back to 'factory defaults' as it were |
| [00:19:37] | <stieglitz> | well this is on vps what i did last night with cweagans was log in as root create my user,password etc, mysql secure or something then edit a file to eliminate logging in as root |
| [00:19:58] | <wamilton> | stieglitz: then how did you log in as root? |
| [00:20:51] | <stieglitz> | wamilton: ok talking about two different VMs on two different systems. The one i am working on now is (still deb 6) but on vps.net. |
| [00:21:00] | <wamilton> | ahhhh |
| [00:21:12] | <stieglitz> | (free one) |
| [00:21:22] | <wamilton> | stieglitz: so cweagans got your linode up, now you want to retrace the steps? |
| [00:21:59] | <stieglitz> | well it appears to be up I still havent but able to access the front end but I think it is just a DNS thing |
| [00:22:17] | <stieglitz> | but yes I wanted to try to do it myself |
| [00:22:39] | <stieglitz> | so I think the first step is to create a user |
| [00:22:50] | <stieglitz> | then make that user a sudoer |
| [00:23:10] | <wamilton> | stieglitz: yes, if you want to follow the install directions exactly, you will have to do that |
| [00:23:36] | <stieglitz> | so i have created user stiggy with group stiggy |
| [00:23:44] | <wamilton> | stieglitz: if you need to see what cweagans did, you can just log into the linode and run `history` |
| [00:23:51] | <wamilton> | stieglitz: good |
| [00:23:53] | <stieglitz> | ahh |
| [00:24:30] | <wamilton> | history is per user though, so if you need to see what he did as root, log in as the user he made, then run `sudo su` then run `history` |
| [00:24:31] | <stieglitz> | so you explained/helped me think this through so I think I can be off again :-) |
| [00:24:56] | <wamilton> | stieglitz: ok |
| [00:25:18] | <stieglitz> | wamilton: thank you again. I tweeted about you this morning ;-) |
| [00:26:08] | <wamilton> | stieglitz: np, there's plenty of help I still need to do what I need to do, so I give a little to get a little |
| [00:26:19] | <wamilton> | stieglitz: be sure you pay dues once you get up and running :) |
| [00:27:40] | <stieglitz> | definately |
| [00:27:47] | <stieglitz> | I've learned a ton |
| [00:27:58] | <stieglitz> | too bad most of it is basic |
| [00:28:32] | <wamilton> | there will be others like you :) |
| [00:29:17] | <stieglitz> | wamilton:ha yeah. one last question shouldnt visudo work as root? |
| [00:29:26] | <wamilton> | no |
| [00:30:03] | <wamilton> | well |
| [00:30:05] | <wamilton> | maybe... |
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| [00:31:10] | <wamilton> | I don't really know, I always just edit the sudoers file |
| [00:31:57] | <wamilton> | visudo is kind of a relic of when one server would do many things instead of the model today where having multiple servers doesn't incur that much cost |
| [00:32:41] | <stieglitz> | wamilton:ahh ok cool thanks hope you have a productive day |
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| [01:46:59] | <anarcat> | darthsteven: good work on release.sh, nice git voodoo you got there |
| [01:47:30] | <darthsteven> | anarcat: heh, I love git, it's so nice to work with |
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| [02:57:40] | <ravery> | hi all, newbie here with a newbie question. trying to get my head around this.. ok, so we have three server environments, Dev, QA, and Live. Does Aegir need to be installed on all three of these sites, or do we have a 4th server set up just for Aegir? |
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| [03:02:20] | <wamilton> | ravery: aegir only needs to be installed on the 'one server to rule them all' |
| [03:02:34] | <anarcat> | ... in theory |
| [03:02:37] | <wamilton> | ravery: however, the other servers need to be configured to be ruled by aegir |
| [03:02:48] | <anarcat> | in practice, we have issues with multi-server support, so i personnally would setup aegir on each box |
| [03:03:23] | <ravery> | @wamilton: configuring the other servers essentially means creating the aegir logons and adding the ssh pub key, is that correct? |
| [03:03:43] | <anarcat> | we are working on fixing this right now on the 1.x branch, but this will probably require rewriting this in 2.x for it to really work properly |
| [03:04:21] | <anarcat> | the most significant issue we have right now is this http://drupal.org/node/1083366 |
| [03:04:22] | <hefring> | http://drupal.org/node/1083366 => Dont sync $site/files on verify of a site => Provision, Code, major, needs work, 39 comments, 2 IRC mentions |
| [03:04:27] | <anarcat> | ravery: that is correct |
| [03:04:33] | <ravery> | i'm also trying to solve a use case where a developer needs to pull down a snapshot of the live site into a dev staging environment, including the db and files. |
| [03:04:46] | <wamilton> | ravery: also managing the group memberships of the aegir user |
| [03:05:00] | <ravery> | being part of www-data |
| [03:05:07] | <anarcat> | ravery: that should generally work, but the design is kind of obtuse |
| [03:05:44] | <wamilton> | ravery: if you solidify around developing a profile, its easier to do the pull down to local |
| [03:05:58] | <ravery> | and we are |
| [03:06:06] | <anarcat> | documentation kind of needs love, but you can start here http://community.aegirproject.org/node/30 |
| [03:06:45] | <wamilton> | ravery: then yeah, you would really just need the files and the db, and there isn't really a straightforward way to get at them through the aegir site as I understand it |
| [03:07:29] | <anarcat> | backup + deploy would do that no? |
| [03:07:58] | <wamilton> | anarcat: how do you mean? you can create a backup, but then you want to get that onto the local machine |
| [03:08:12] | <wamilton> | anarcat: do you scp it down from the aegir server and use aegir on the local as well? |
| [03:08:16] | <anarcat> | yeah, i guess |
| [03:08:25] | <anarcat> | that's hwo i'd do it right now |
| [03:08:31] | <ravery> | we also need to run a data scrub on the db. we don't want to transfer raw sql from live to developers |
| [03:08:43] | <anarcat> | in the future we want to be able to run provision and drush on remote servers |
| [03:09:06] | <wamilton> | anarcat: in what way is that not the present? |
| [03:09:36] | <anarcat> | can you rephrase? |
| [03:11:00] | <wamilton> | anarcat: are you saying that right now provision just has the remote case built into the control flow instead of always just having hosting pass off to the correct provision? |
| [03:12:55] | <wamilton> | ravery: if you don't want to force everyone to run aegir locally, it should be possible to just drush make the whole platform from what you version in git using an out-of-channel stub make that allows you to switch the git ref for the profile |
| [03:13:35] | <wamilton> | ravery: and then you would just put the content files in the sites/sitename directory by hand and set up the db and settings.php as well |
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| [03:28:59] | <dboeije> | hi :) |
| [03:29:19] | <dboeije> | (site layout is down btw, but I guess you already know that) |
| [03:29:20] | <ravery> | when i'm creating a new site, and aegir asks me for a domain name, i'm assuming it is expected that i already have that domain name in /etc/hosts and the proper apache vhost setup, correct? aegir is not going to do that for me, is it? |
| [03:29:32] | <anarcat> | that is correct |
| [03:29:44] | <anarcat> | there is a DNS module, however, that should create zonefiles and such, but it's not well tested |
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| [03:36:24] | <ravery> | ...just having a hard time getting my head around the use cases that aegir goes after solving.. |
| [03:36:47] | <ravery> | is there a "recipes" page or something like that in the docs anyone could point me to? |
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| [03:43:21] | <ravery> | http://community.aegirproject.org/ suddenly lost its theme and blocks :( |
| [03:46:53] | <anarcat> | ah ffs |
| [03:47:05] | <anarcat> | wow |
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| [03:47:10] | <anarcat> | i'll take a look at this right away |
| [03:47:57] | <anarcat> | flushing the cache seems to have fixed it |
| [03:48:03] | <anarcat> | wow, what a scare again |
| [03:48:12] | <anarcat> | that site is so brittle it's depressing |
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| [03:57:10] | <stieglitz> | i am having a hard time figuring out why my hostmaster front end can not be reached. |
| [03:57:39] | <stieglitz> | This time it has to be a simple misconfiguration. |
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| [04:01:09] | <stieglitz> | hostname file says aegir.mysite.in |
| [04:02:22] | <stieglitz> | hosts file says this: http://pastebin.com/3BeTM3J4 |
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| [04:03:15] | <stieglitz> | shouldn't the ip in the hosts file be the ip of the site? or should it be 127.0.0.1 ? |
| [04:04:00] | <wamilton> | stieglitz: hosts file on which machine? |
| [04:04:13] | <wamilton> | stieglitz: yours or the vps? |
| [04:05:32] | <stieglitz> | this is the one that was set up last night (linode) wamilton: |
| [04:06:11] | <stieglitz> | swingon.in |
| [04:06:23] | <wamilton> | stieglitz: the machine actually running aegir should in fact point the aegir url at itself |
| [04:06:43] | <wamilton> | stieglitz: itself being 127.0.0.1 |
| [04:06:48] | <stieglitz> | yeah ok |
| [04:07:15] | <stieglitz> | it must be messed up in my dns settings |
| [04:08:22] | <stieglitz> | linode is a tad bit different than I am used to. So if the machine hostname is aegir.mysite.com the DNS should point to mysite.com? |
| [04:11:07] | <dboeije> | at least the A-record of aegir.mysite.com should point to an IP-address which has port open for apache/httpd |
| [04:11:41] | <dboeije> | if you create a site for mysite.com, you'll also have to point the A-record to that IP |
| [04:12:11] | <dboeije> | some ISP support wildcard, which rather means everything (such as *.mysite.com) will point to the IP :) |
| [04:13:26] | <stieglitz> | I have my namecheap.com DNS pointing to dns1@linode... and dns2@linode that is all I saw to change |
| [04:13:52] | <dboeije> | hm, does linode has any interface to change DNS then? |
| [04:14:02] | <dboeije> | (for your domain) |
| [04:14:11] | <wamilton> | stieglitz: run `wget your.url.com` from inside the linode |
| [04:14:17] | <stieglitz> | yeah linode has alot that is probably where the problem is |
| [04:15:25] | <stieglitz> | mysite.in|correct ip|:80... connected. |
| [04:15:25] | <stieglitz> | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found |
| [04:15:25] | <stieglitz> | 2012-04-20 14:14:42 ERROR 404: Not Found. |
| [04:16:29] | <stieglitz> | wamilton: hmm |
| [04:16:33] | <wamilton> | stieglitz: and that url is the one that appears in your hosts file? |
| [04:16:53] | <wamilton> | stieglitz: I mean including the subdomain and everything |
| [04:17:07] | <stieglitz> | wamilton:let me check to be sure |
| [04:17:41] | <stieglitz> | no |
| [04:18:12] | <wamilton> | ok, make the line in the hosts file and the query for wget the same |
| [04:18:21] | <stieglitz> | wamilton: http://pastebin.com/3BeTM3J4 |
| [04:18:42] | <stieglitz> | oh ok |
| [04:19:25] | <wamilton> | right, we want to isolate the issue to either inside the apache config or not |
| [04:19:56] | <stieglitz> | wget 127.0.0.1 same error |
| [04:20:46] | <stieglitz> | same with aegir.mydomain.in |
| [04:21:06] | <wamilton> | ok, then 127.0.0.1 is not where you are actually listening |
| [04:21:22] | <wamilton> | so, we now know that there is a problem besides dns |
| [04:21:38] | <wamilton> | do you know what your private IP inside the linode network is? |
| [04:22:29] | <stieglitz> | that would be the ip i ssh to ? :-/ |
| [04:22:50] | <wamilton> | stieglitz: no, that's your public ip |
| [04:23:11] | <stieglitz> | ahh let me look then |
| [04:23:16] | <wamilton> | did this machine have apache set up when it was turned on? |
| [04:25:08] | <stieglitz> | wamilton:ah it appears i do not have a private ip. I'm afraid I couldn't tell you about the apache |
| [04:25:34] | <wamilton> | stieglitz: in that case, your hosts file needs to reference the public ip |
| [04:26:16] | <wamilton> | change 127.0.0.1 to your public ip, and then try the `wget aegir.mysite.in` again |
| [04:27:25] | <stieglitz> | ahh so like mysite.in 50.xxx.xx.xx ? |
| [04:27:55] | <stieglitz> | wamilton: oh i re read |
| [04:28:00] | <stieglitz> | ok |
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| [04:35:28] | <stieglitz> | wamilton: sorry about that had some trouble writing but got it |
| [04:36:34] | <stieglitz> | restart apache now? |
| [04:37:38] | <stieglitz> | ok that got a resolving response |
| [04:37:50] | <stieglitz> | 200 ok |
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| [05:22:16] | <hefring> | community => Proxy-ing content with Aegir Deployed Sites => http://community.aegirproject.org/discuss/proxy-ing-content-aegir-deploy... |
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| [05:33:08] | <usaussie> | i have a feeling (totally unproven) that the cron job processing my task queue/backup gc/backup queue is causing the front end sites to be unresponsive while it's processing things. Is there any way to troubleshoot this, or is there a way to limit the resources the cron job can use? |
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| [06:05:48] | <stieglitz> | I'm feeling pretty hopeless |
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| [06:31:01] | <stieglitz> | i can not figure out why I cant connect with my front end |
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| [06:55:28] | <stieglitz> | wamilton: what would i need to do to be able to just rerun the install script? |
| [06:56:24] | <stieglitz> | like it says in the doc sudo rm -rf /var/aegir/hostmaster-*.* |
| [06:56:46] | <stieglitz> | etc |
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| [07:50:51] | <wamilton> | hefring: tell stieglitz that removing /var/aegir is sufficient to give the manual install another try, but since the debian way is to track it in the package manager, that will not be sufficient |
| [07:50:51] | <hefring> | wamilton: I'll pass that on when stieglitz is around. |
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