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[17:15:08]<hefring>community => New to aegir migrating site from godaddy 4gh (shared) to unmanaged VPS => http://community.aegirproject.org/discuss/new-aegir-migrating-site-godad...
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[17:51:52]<darthsteven>Good morning!
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[01:01:39]<vcardoso>Hi everyone!
[01:02:25]<vcardoso>I'm trying aegir and found an issue with drush dl for downloading a code base for creating a platform.
[01:03:21]<vcardoso>Apart form "drush dl" and "drush dl drupal-6" I always get an error relating to the permissions or ecistence of the /tmp/... folder.
[01:04:09]<vcardoso>I've checked the issue queue and it looks that it is this problem : http://drupal.org/node/1078318
[01:04:10]<hefring>http://drupal.org/node/1078318 => dl of drupal project not working - Source directory /tmp/drush_tmp_1298986465/drupal is not readable or does not exist. => Drush, PM (dl, en, up ...), critical, closed (fixed), 10 comments, 1 IRC mention
[01:04:53]<vcardoso>As i'm already using drush 4.5 I don't understand where is the problem.
[01:05:53]<vcardoso>Here is the output of the command for downloading Comemrce Kickstart:
[01:05:58]<vcardoso>drush -v dl commerce_kickstart
[01:05:58]<vcardoso>Load alias @self [notice]
[01:05:58]<vcardoso>Load alias @server_master [notice]
[01:05:58]<vcardoso>Loading apache driver for the http service [notice]
[01:05:58]<vcardoso>Executing: wget --version
[01:05:58]<vcardoso>Downloading release history from [notice]
[01:05:59]<vcardoso>http://updates.drupal.org/release-history/commerce_kickstart/7.x
[01:05:59]<vcardoso>Executing: mkdir '/tmp/drush_tmp_1335884382'
[01:06:00]<vcardoso>Downloading project commerce_kickstart to /tmp/drush_tmp_1335884382 ... [notice]
[01:06:00]<vcardoso>Executing: wget -P . 'http://ftp.drupal.org/files/projects/commerce_kickstart-7.x-1.6-core.tar...
[01:06:01]<vcardoso>Downloading commerce_kickstart-7.x-1.6-core.tar.gz was successful. [notice]
[01:06:01]<vcardoso>Md5 checksum of commerce_kickstart-7.x-1.6-core.tar.gz verified. [notice]
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[05:58:55]<drakythe>So when installing Aegir on an Ubuntu 12.04 are there any "gotcha's" I should be aware of?
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[06:05:19]<wamilton>you'll be the first one, so if it doesn't work, you will have to figure it out
[06:05:31]<wamilton>so, if that counts as a 'gotcha'...
[06:07:24]<drakythe>wamilton: Joy
[06:08:32]<drakythe>I just recieved an error "errors were encounted while processing: aegir-hostmaster, Aegir. E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)"
[06:08:50]<wamilton>tyg
[06:09:07]<drakythe>tyg?... There you go?
[06:09:12]<wamilton>yes
[06:09:21]<drakythe>eff
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[06:32:38]<drakythe>and killed the VM, trying again with Debian 6... this one I know I can get to work :D
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[06:42:03]<tlattimore>I was having trouble verifying a new platform on my aegir do to a permission related issue and one post I online said that running chown aegir:aegir /var/aegir -R might solve the problem. After running this command now every site hosting by this install (including the hostmaster) simply returns a default Drupal install page when visited? Any ideas on how this ownership change could have messed up the vhosts?
[06:43:51]<tlattimore>All the files and db's are still intact. It's just that when I visit the url for the site it's like aegir was never installed….
[06:54:20]<wamilton>tlattimore: the vhosts are inside of aegir home, so that would be why
[06:54:45]<wamilton>tlattimore: you could try changing the group on the config directory and everything in it to www-data
[06:54:47]<drakythe>eff... I gave hostmaster the wrong domain name (it wont work) is there a quick way to redo that portion, or would it be better to start from scratch?
[06:55:16]<wamilton>drakythe: during the install process you just gave it the wrong fqdn?
[06:55:23]<drakythe>wamilton: correct
[06:55:46]<wamilton>drakythe: `cat /var/aegir/.drush/server_master<tab>`
[06:56:13]<tlattimore>wamilton: So, chown aegir:www-data /var/aegir/config -R ?
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[06:56:31]<wamilton>drakythe: setting the attributes in that alias and the one for localhost and calling provision-verify on them should do it
[06:56:56]<wamilton>tlattimore: that's an idea I'm having, I don't know that it will necessarily work, this is me warning you
[06:57:55]<wamilton>tlattimore: your apache logs may be able to help you
[06:58:14]<tlattimore>wamiltion: well, I don't think it could necessarily break it worse than it already is. Will also check the apache logs.
[06:58:18]<drakythe>wamilton: I'm not familiar with aegir commandline items. How would I call provision-verify?
[06:59:24]<wamilton>tlattimore: moreover, to answer the question, the vhosts set the $_SERVER variable, which settings.php reads to know about its db, and if apache can't read the vhosts, it can't inject into the settings.php properly
[07:08:58]<tlattimore>wamilton: Well, chown aegir:www-data /var/aegir/config -R didn't fix it unfortunetely
[07:10:01]<tlattimore>didn't make it worse though
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[07:17:22]<wamilton>tlattimore: anything in the logs?
[07:17:48]<wamilton>tlattimore: also, do you get any red flags if you restart apache?
[07:18:20]<tlattimore>Just fixed it via shrop's help. the files dir, private, and settings.php need to be chown -R aegir:www-data for each site
[07:18:40]<tlattimore>wamilton: Thanks for the suggestions
[07:18:47]<wamilton>ah, cool, right fix, wrong dir, glad you got it
[07:19:23]<wamilton>tlattimore: if you need a cheat sheet with the perms on it, it's in the developer section of the documentation under architecture
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[07:20:00]<tlattimore>wamilton: Sure thing, will go poke around there in a bit.
[07:23:52]<tlattimore>What permission does the 'sites' folder need in a platform?
[07:24:10]<tlattimore>I am getting "/sites is not writable by the provisioning script" when verifying a new platform
[07:25:15]<wamilton>tlattimore: http://community.aegirproject.org/node/77
[07:25:32]<wamilton>tlattimore: scroll down to 'platform permissions'
[07:26:50]<tlattimore>wamilton: Is that './*' referring to the sites folder?
[07:27:09]<tlattimore>the first entry in that platform perms table?
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[07:30:30]<wamilton>literally the platforms directory
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[07:33:01]<wamilton>tlattimore: it shouldn't be ./* because that would mean 'all the file in the directory, explicitly including the file descriptor for the directory itself', which obviously makes no sense if we then discuss it as a directory
[07:33:28]<wamilton>s/including/excluding
[07:33:31]<wamilton>whoops
[07:34:12]<tlattimore>wamilton: I am confused… so you're saying it should be just ./ ?
[07:34:23]<wamilton>tlattimore: yes
[07:34:45]<tlattimore>wamilton: Thanks! Will try it out
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[07:36:51]<tlattimore>wamiliton: chown aegir:aegir sites resolved it. Thanks a bunch!
[07:37:05]<wamilton>tlattimore: np, keep truckin
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[09:13:40]<mikenotmike_>Hi guys, I have a DNS question, I have a blank new Hostgator VPS running Ubuntu 11.04. I properly registered my nameservers with my hostname domain registrar (godaddy), so I'm ready to install Aegir. Is the experimental DNS feature of Aegir sufficient enough that I can point all of the domains to my nameservers, or do I need to run Bind9 (or something like virtualmin) alongside Aegir?
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[09:25:46]<bgm>mikenotmike_: iirc, aegir will configure the DNS with Bind. i.e. it automates the changes to the zone files
[09:25:59]<bgm>you will still need a secondary server and all that.
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[09:28:15]<mikenotmike_>bgm: So I will need two VPS's running ubuntu, one as a backup DNS server, if I intend to use a private nameserver like ns1.mydomain.com & ns2.mydomain.com?
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[09:29:22]<bgm>mikenotmike_: i have not used the aegir/dns feature, but yes, in general, you always need at least two DNS servers
[09:29:46]<mikenotmike_>bgm: would both servers need to run Aegir?
[09:29:48]<bgm>imho, unless you have a system where people can signup online and configure their domain, it's not really worth the hassle
[09:30:11]<mikenotmike_>what would you recommend as a DNS solution then?
[09:30:17]<bgm>people usually have their own DNS provided by their registrar, so they can just point their domain to your aegir server
[09:31:37]<bgm>DNS servers should always be on separate networks, in order to ensure better redundancy. For example, your server/network may crash at some point, but if people are hosting their mail at gmail, they don't want to stop receiving mail
[09:31:54]<mikenotmike_>would they just use an A record pointing to my IP address, or would I still use nameservers?
[09:32:10]<bgm>just an A record pointing to your IP
[09:32:26]<bgm>if your IP might change at some point, you can also configure a CNAME, for example
[09:32:36]<bgm>depends how much control you have other the registered domains
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[09:33:04]<bgm>there are a lot of registrars that have an API you can use to register/configure domains
[09:33:24]<bgm>depends on your use case..
[09:34:42]<mikenotmike_>so I still had to set my hostname when ubuntu was set up, would I still need to point my host (ns1&ns2) at my hostname domain registrar?
[09:34:55]<mikenotmike_>or just not use name servers at all?
[09:36:12]<bgm>i'm not sure i understand your question
[09:36:20]<mikenotmike_>yeah i worded that strange, let me try again
[09:36:53]<bgm>usually my machines have some random hostname, say "foohost". but i create an aegir frontend on 'aegir.example.org'
[09:37:23]<bgm>the only config I have to do, is to point aegir.example.org to the IP of foohost
[09:37:55]<bgm>then, hosted sites can use a CNAME on aegir.example.org, or an A entry on the IP
[09:38:20]<mikenotmike_>I registered mydomain.com at godaddy, I setup a VPS with Hostgator running Ubuntu, with the hostname set as mydomain.com. I want mydomain.com to serve as my aegir frontend. Hostgator said I needed to set my ns1&ns2 host info with godaddy to point at my 2 hostgator IPs. Is that correct?
[09:38:23]<bgm>another fun trick is to setup a wildcard DNS entry so that *.aegir.example.org points to the server. This way, you can create lots of clones/tests sites, and not bother with DNS.
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[09:39:26]<bgm>mikenotmike_: what is the name of the machine when you type "hostname" on the command line?
[09:39:56]<mikenotmike_>yeah wildcard DNS is next on my list
[09:41:05]<mikenotmike_>it's "the.mydomain.com"
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[09:49:08]<mikenotmike_>bgm: it's "the.mydomain.com"
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[09:50:39]<bgm_>mikenotmike_: ok, weird, usually the hostname is not the domain name, or fully qualified domain name..
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[09:52:02]<mikenotmike_>bgm: well they asked what the hostname should be, I told them mydomain.com, and when I SSH in and check the hostname, it's "the.mydomain.com". Should I still set my ns1&ns2 host names within godaddy to point at my VPS IP's?
[09:54:14]<bgm>mikenotmike_: yep, the hostname is not really important. although you might run into issues when you send e-mails
[09:54:24]<bgm>ex: drupal password reminders or stuff like that
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[09:56:14]<mikenotmike_>bgm: so no further DNS configuration is necessary? Avoid bind9 or virtualmin, and set an A record pointing to my IP for any site I want to host? You mentioned a cname record instead, how would that look?
[09:56:44]<bgm>mikenotmike_: yeah, imho, this is the most common type of setup
[09:57:06]<bgm>for CNAME, depends how your DNS server handles those things. but you can google it :)
[09:57:20]<mikenotmike_>thank you ;)
[09:57:27]<bgm>my daughter's bath is finished, got to go :)
[09:57:34]<mikenotmike_>I appreciate it
[09:57:40]<bgm>np, good luck :)