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| [19:06:48] | <helmo> | messages? |
| [19:06:48] | <hefring> | helmo: 2 days 18 hours ago <ergonlogic> tell helmo: I'm still trying to find the time for a proper release of both drush-vagrant and aegir-up. fwiw, drush-vagrant is pretty solid, and I've been using it to develop, test, and manage our new AegirVPS service. So, it's becoming more of a priority, as I need to get the rest of the team tooled-up. hopefuly next week. sorry for the delay :-/ |
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| [00:32:01] | <joestewart> | lsolesen1: It looks to me that most of the top distributions do have a stub makefile that you can use. the 1.x version of Commerce Kickstart also did - http://drupalcode.org/project/commerce_kickstart.git/blob_plain/refs/hea... |
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| [00:56:49] | <darthsteven> | messages? |
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| [00:59:19] | <wamilton> | darthsteven: got a moment to talk about handling user uploaded files on remote servers? |
| [00:59:29] | <darthsteven> | sure, hit me |
| [00:59:49] | <wamilton> | right, have you seen this: http://drupal.org/node/1561102 ? |
| [00:59:50] | <hefring> | http://drupal.org/node/1561102 => Improving sync process between master (hub) and remote (spoke) => Provision, Code, normal, needs review, 13 comments, 8 IRC mentions |
| [01:01:10] | <wamilton> | the issue is that verify always pushes what's on the aegir server out to the remote server, including things in sites/$uri/{files,themes,modules,libraries}, and that's definitely undesirable for the files directory |
| [01:01:18] | <darthsteven> | yes |
| [01:01:26] | <wamilton> | gandhiano makes a good point about the themes directory too |
| [01:01:32] | <darthsteven> | so for the files directory, the remote server should have the 'master' copy |
| [01:01:45] | <wamilton> | that seems natural to me... |
| [01:01:59] | <darthsteven> | this is basically broken a lot by our current model |
| [01:02:16] | <wamilton> | I'm wondering if there are any negative consequences of treating all of sites/$uri that way |
| [01:02:41] | <darthsteven> | hmmm... |
| [01:02:42] | <darthsteven> | not sure |
| [01:02:48] | <darthsteven> | the model is broken at the moment |
| [01:02:57] | <darthsteven> | i.e. the remote server model is broken |
| [01:02:59] | <darthsteven> | sadly |
| [01:03:26] | <wamilton> | you mean in ways above and beyond this? |
| [01:03:52] | <darthsteven> | no, this is main reason it's broken |
| [01:04:15] | <darthsteven> | if you can have NFS shares between your servers, then it's totally fine |
| [01:04:22] | <darthsteven> | but if you can't, it's really not |
| [01:04:34] | <wamilton> | how does NFS solve the issue? |
| [01:04:52] | <darthsteven> | because the files will get synced by the underlying filesystem, not rsync's |
| [01:05:36] | <darthsteven> | basically, we should probably fix it up so that at certain points we sync from remote to master, where we don't at the moment |
| [01:05:41] | <darthsteven> | and then leave it like that for now |
| [01:05:51] | <darthsteven> | and work on a better method of doing remote servers |
| [01:05:58] | <darthsteven> | that's my opinion |
| [01:06:31] | <wamilton> | so, the idea would be to not have any remotes whatsoever as far as Aegir knows and to mount its files via NFS on the remote machine? |
| [01:07:26] | <darthsteven> | Nah, keep the remote server |
| [01:07:42] | <darthsteven> | but also mount the files directory via NFS, so it's shared between master and slave |
| [01:07:52] | <darthsteven> | all of the current rsync's would just do nothing |
| [01:08:06] | <darthsteven> | but it would also mean that when you change a file on the remote, it's changed on the master |
| [01:09:02] | <wamilton> | I guess that is going to accomplish the same thing as my patch... |
| [01:09:39] | <darthsteven> | yes and no |
| [01:10:04] | <darthsteven> | more yes than no I think |
| [01:10:35] | <darthsteven> | If you can come with a patch, and clear explanation of what its doing, then we can commit it |
| [01:10:47] | <darthsteven> | but if it's just a patch with: 'This fixes it' |
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| [01:11:04] | <darthsteven> | then that's not good enough, because this is a seriously complex problem |
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| [01:12:26] | <wamilton> | right, I got the patch down to less than 10 lines, and all it does is fetch the files dir before sync'ing a path in it or that contains it, so that's pretty much lazily doing what the NFS fix does |
| [01:13:07] | <wamilton> | in that it updates the files dir to the remote version immediately before it would sync instead of doing so constantly |
| [01:13:28] | <gandhiano> | hi |
| [01:13:29] | <darthsteven> | okay, write that down in the issue if not already! |
| [01:13:36] | <wamilton> | do you know of any potential issues with treating the modules, themes and libraries dirs the same way? |
| [01:13:47] | <wamilton> | gandhiano: hi |
| [01:14:01] | <gandhiano> | I have been using this approach also for themes and it's working good |
| [01:15:04] | <wamilton> | gandhiano: when you migrate or clone, does the new site have the same sites/$uri/themes dir? |
| [01:15:37] | <darthsteven> | I don't know about modules and themes |
| [01:15:43] | <darthsteven> | (and NFS) |
| [01:16:32] | <wamilton> | how much of a pain is it to set up and maintain and automate NFS? |
| [01:16:56] | <darthsteven> | No idea, anarcat is the man to ask about that |
| [01:17:14] | <darthsteven> | sorry! Thanks for working on the patches though |
| [01:17:33] | <wamilton> | k |
| [01:17:46] | <wamilton> | seen anarcat |
| [01:17:46] | <hefring> | anarcat was last seen in #aegir 1 week 2 days ago saying 'uploaded drush 5.4 to debian'. |
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| [01:19:08] | <wamilton> | darthsteven: do you use an NFS config with remotes? |
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| [01:21:09] | <darthsteven> | wamilton: I do not, but I don't use remotes for anything important really |
| [01:25:49] | <gandhiano> | ok, connection good now |
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| [01:29:02] | <gandhiano> | wamilton, I did not try the migration/cloning, but I think that themes and modules which are site specific have to be synced to the master (e.g. for user uploads of modules and themes, if they are trusted to do so) before syncing back (this is also useful for continuing to be able to centrally manage the remotes via drush on the master |
| [01:30:18] | <gandhiano> | and this last sync also allows a site to be properly in sync (at remote and master) at migration/clone time |
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| [03:49:16] | <rhall86> | what topic do i need to search for for adding domain names to a single drupal site using aegir |
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| [03:58:28] | <noecc> | rhall86: http://community.aegirproject.org/node/60 |
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| [05:04:25] | <omega8cc> | mrfelton: I don't see any issue opened :p |
| [05:04:45] | <mrfelton> | omega8cc: I'll get there… Its on my ever growing list |
| [05:05:04] | <mrfelton> | omega8cc: had a bunch more problems relating to caching and ssl redirection today. |
| [05:05:38] | <mrfelton> | omega8cc: it's very much related to what we were talking about in http://drupal.org/node/1420300 |
| [05:05:39] | <hefring> | http://drupal.org/node/1420300 => HTTP<->HTTPS redirects with boost => Barracuda, Code, normal, closed (fixed), 14 comments, 1 IRC mention |
| [05:06:03] | <mrfelton> | And so again for this site, I have had to implement the redirects at the sever level |
| [05:06:13] | <mrfelton> | It's the only way that it works flawlessly |
| [05:06:50] | <mrfelton> | Doing it in global.inc does;t cut it, especially with microcaching. |
| [05:07:16] | <mrfelton> | the micro caching makes it such that some people never even hit global.inc, and thus the redirects never fire for them |
| [05:07:17] | <omega8cc> | mrfelton: I would prefer to use issue queue to discuss this, as otherwise there is no real benefit from the IRC chat |
| [05:07:36] | <mrfelton> | combine that with the fact that if boost has a page cached, then they also never hit global.in... |
| [05:08:02] | <mrfelton> | omega8cc: I plan to write all of this up and post it in the issue queue |
| [05:08:14] | <omega8cc> | don't plan |
| [05:08:16] | <mrfelton> | Right now, I have to focus on getting things working |
| [05:08:19] | <omega8cc> | write it up |
| [05:09:09] | <mrfelton> | omega8cc: yeah, but my clients are bashing on my door asking why their pages are sometimes not redirecting. It's causing major issues. Fixing for them has to take priority |
| [05:09:21] | <omega8cc> | documenting issues is really an important part of getting things to work |
| [05:10:16] | <mrfelton> | omega8cc: don't worry - I intend to provide a very thorough write up of this. I need it fixed upstreamm. I can't keep having to hack things to get it working |
| [05:10:22] | <omega8cc> | you need to either disable caching on URLs you expect to be redirected or do that on the Nginx level, not in the global.inc |
| [05:10:43] | <mrfelton> | omega8cc: disabling caching is not an option |
| [05:10:54] | <mrfelton> | therefore redirects must be performed at the server level |
| [05:11:06] | <mrfelton> | and to do that, needs a modification to the nginx include file |
| [05:11:34] | <omega8cc> | not really, it is simple to disable both Boost and Speed Booster caching on the fly, using custom code in the global.inc |
| [05:12:29] | <mrfelton> | We need Boost caching enabled on all urls. We can't disable it for some just because they have an https redirect |
| [05:14:06] | <omega8cc> | You must disable Boost and Speed Booster on URLs you expect to do redirects |
| [05:14:19] | <omega8cc> | and you can do that on the fly |
| [05:14:43] | <mrfelton> | omega8cc: how?! |
| [05:16:27] | <omega8cc> | open an issue |
| [05:16:32] | <omega8cc> | :P |
| [05:17:36] | <mrfelton> | ok. Support issue going in |
| [05:22:56] | <mrfelton> | omega8cc: ok, one support request in for you. http://drupal.org/node/1659452 - but, I still fail to see how its possible to have a page cached by Boost, and perform http->http redirection on it |
| [05:22:57] | <hefring> | http://drupal.org/node/1659452 => How to disable both Boost and Speed Cache on the fly, in global.inc => Barracuda, Documentation, normal, active, 0 comments, 1 IRC mention |
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| [05:23:30] | <mrfelton> | maybe your answer in the ticket can clear it up for me! ;) |
| [05:26:40] | <omega8cc> | k, thanks |
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| [05:49:12] | <lukasvonblarer> | Hey there! |
| [05:49:18] | <lukasvonblarer> | I created a spreadsheet comparing deployment solutions using aegir I am currently considering. |
| [05:49:24] | <lukasvonblarer> | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArXsv3aV3G-IdFVIT1o3RmhMQzl... |
| [05:49:30] | <lukasvonblarer> | Please give me some feedback. |
| [05:49:51] | <lukasvonblarer> | I currently prefer the "Platform Git repo" solution. |
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| [06:39:27] | <Met4physica> | omega8cc: have a client using your hosting, they get 500 error on file upload on node save |
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| [06:39:33] | <Met4physica> | what permissions do files need? |
| [06:41:07] | <omega8cc> | Met4physica: ask him to submit support request so our staff can investigate, but basically error 500 means you have something to debug using dev. alias |
| [06:42:00] | <Met4physica> | omega8cc: will do, thanks. |
| [06:42:10] | <omega8cc> | thanks |
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| [07:05:58] | <kvanderw> | can I put an .htaccess file with "AuthType Basic" on just one site ? at the site/sitename folder?? |
| [07:17:18] | <rhall86> | someone told me there is a setting in aegir to strip www from sites |
| [07:17:30] | <rhall86> | were they wrong, because i can't find it |
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| [07:40:55] | <joestewart> | rhall86: look in "/admin/hosting/aliases" |
| [07:42:28] | <rhall86> | ok, i did that, and verified the site, it lists the www.mysite.com |
| [07:42:44] | <rhall86> | but going to www.mysite.com tells me not found |
| [07:43:02] | <joestewart> | rhall86: dns? |
| [07:43:23] | <joestewart> | rhall86: oh, verify now. |
| [07:45:28] | <rhall86> | still not found :/ |
| [07:49:03] | <rhall86> | ok, got it, i checked the log of the cron job and it couldn't restart apache, did that and it's fine now |
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| [07:59:50] | <grobot> | cron feature enabled, hosting_queue_cron_* variables on hostmaster look fine, but cron seems to run on admin login rather than as scheduled … what would do that? |
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| [09:01:27] | <kvanderw> | re: "AuthType Basic" the answer was yes - with caveats |
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