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| [06:42:45] | <bgm> | anarcat: quick question: when a queue task is run using provision_backend_invoke(), this is all in a drush command-line environment, right? (not apache) |
| [06:43:05] | <anarcat> | yes |
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| [06:43:13] | <bgm> | in other words, i'm wondering if executing a civicrm task that could take 15 mins to run (mailing) will block the system |
| [06:43:13] | <anarcat> | by apache you mean as the www-data user? |
| [06:43:29] | <anarcat> | it will block the hosting-queue-runner yes |
| [06:43:39] | <bgm> | i mean "blocking an apache process" |
| [06:43:57] | <bgm> | even if hosting_cron_civicrm implements its own queue? |
| [06:43:59] | <anarcat> | no, block the queue daemon and a php commandline process |
| [06:44:05] | <anarcat> | ah that's different |
| [06:44:16] | <anarcat> | hosting-queued currently runs only the task queue |
| [06:44:24] | <anarcat> | but i think it should be extended to fork for every queue |
| [06:44:31] | <anarcat> | so it would block only one queue |
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| [06:44:44] | <anarcat> | in the current state of affairs, it will not block anythjing |
| [06:44:57] | <bgm> | ok, sounds acceptable |
| [06:44:58] | <anarcat> | because hosting-dispatch will happily fire as many tasks you want from the crontab |
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| [06:45:25] | <anarcat> | which is why the daemon is interesting, does one thing at a time, which allows a single task to block the queue |
| [06:45:40] | <anarcat> | but makes many tasks not crash the server :) |
| [06:45:45] | <bgm> | my main dilemma is with civicrm mailings: we can either hit the cron every 15 mins, which causes bootstrap and all that. Or hit the cron every hour, and let the mailing task as much time as necessary. |
| [06:46:18] | * anarcat nods |
| [06:46:27] | <anarcat> | a full bootstrap every 15 min doesn't seem much |
| [06:46:39] | <anarcat> | this should be tunable in the ui |
| [06:47:06] | <bgm> | right now the civi cron is using drush only, so it does not benefit much from APC cache |
| [06:47:29] | <bgm> | yeah, i think it's tunable. civicrm can also limit how many mails it sends for each cron run |
| [06:48:18] | <bgm> | the benefit of having one cron run send everything, is that you don't need to calculate the optimal rate per cron run |
| [06:48:45] | <bgm> | i.e. say you send 200 mails per cron, but it takes only 5 mins, then your server is idle 10 mins until the next cron run |
| [06:49:14] | <bgm> | anyway, depends on the use-case, but for big mailings, it makes a difference |
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| [07:02:12] | * anarcat nods |
| [07:02:15] | <bgm> | before launching a civicrm cron task, how can i check the civicrm version to see if it supports the new cron? |
| [07:02:35] | <anarcat> | i don'T know |
| [07:02:55] | <bgm> | i'm kind of lost in the hosting_package / hosting_package_instance sql tables :) |
| [07:03:03] | <anarcat> | aaah that |
| [07:03:06] | <anarcat> | lots of fun |
| [07:03:21] | <anarcat> | in the backend, you should rely on the packages data structure in the drushrc |
| [07:03:23] | <bgm> | haha |
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| [07:03:41] | <bgm> | yeah, i guess i'll just patch that in the drush module that wraps over the cron |
| [07:03:53] | <bgm> | it may bootstrap a site for no reason, but people should upgrade anyway ;) |
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