IRC logs for #aegir, 2012-11-17 (GMT)

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[12:00:44]<CrawfordComeaux>should I be cloning the git repo from drupal.org or aegirproject.org?
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[12:06:31]<CrawfordComeaux>hmmm...neither seems to be working...
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[12:31:54]<ergonlogic>anarcat: ping
[12:32:10]<ergonlogic>you still working on aegir?
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[12:41:38]<anarcat>ergonlogic: kind of done for tonight
[12:41:44]<anarcat>you in yyz?
[12:41:49]<ergonlogic>anarcat: yep
[12:41:57]<ergonlogic>I saw all your issue updates...
[12:42:04]<ergonlogic>anarcat: actually hamilton
[12:42:10]<ergonlogic>I wasn't up for the party
[12:42:19]<anarcat>i understand
[12:42:24]<anarcat>bad timing
[12:42:27]<ergonlogic>yeah
[12:42:51]<ergonlogic>I'd like to ask you about a couple issues before you go, k?
[12:43:12]<anarcat>sure
[12:44:29]<ergonlogic>I saw you fixed the 2.x debian version numbering one
[12:44:36]<anarcat>yeah, that was fun
[12:44:44]<anarcat>the 2.x .debs install on jenkins now!
[12:45:03]<ergonlogic>but I've been thinking of asking for access to ci.a.o
[12:45:10]<ergonlogic>nice!
[12:45:18]<anarcat>i figured you would already have access
[12:45:24]<ergonlogic>nope
[12:45:34]<anarcat>we talked about welcoming you to the core team btw, and people are open to the idea
[12:45:39]<ergonlogic>The main reason was to see how it's structure
[12:45:41]<ergonlogic>d
[12:45:42]<anarcat>so i guess it's a question of formalities
[12:45:44]<ergonlogic>oh
[12:45:47]<ergonlogic>wow
[12:45:56]<anarcat>yeah
[12:46:03]<anarcat>don't run away now :P
[12:46:04]<ergonlogic>I don't feel I contribute enough to warrant it
[12:46:10]<ergonlogic>yet
[12:46:21]<anarcat>we disagree
[12:46:24]<ergonlogic>I'm not going anywhere, buddy
[12:46:40]<anarcat>hehe
[12:46:46]<ergonlogic>well, I appreciate that
[12:46:47]<ergonlogic>:)
[12:47:39]<ergonlogic>um, anyway, I guess my access to ci.a.o can wait then
[12:47:47]<ergonlogic>as for the default frontpage
[12:48:08]<ergonlogic>I think I appended to the last patch, rather than replacing it...
[12:48:18]<ergonlogic>so, it should really only be the latter half
[12:48:24]<anarcat>yeah, i figured as much
[12:48:47]<ergonlogic>I wonder how over-engineered it is though...
[12:48:53]<ergonlogic>it seems pretty basic to me
[12:49:01]<ergonlogic>but without it
[12:49:17]<ergonlogic>you need to add a content type, and a node for it
[12:49:38]<anarcat>the only over-engineered part is the customization
[12:49:43]<ergonlogic>well, I appreciate that the frontpage (for everybody), possibly add some access control...
[12:49:44]<anarcat>i think it should just be t() and that's it
[12:49:48]<anarcat>no variables, no configuration page
[12:49:56]<anarcat>just a handler and site_frontpage takes care of the rest
[12:50:10]<ergonlogic>ugh, I'm messing up my typing here, sorry
[12:50:17]<ergonlogic>not at my usual desk
[12:50:25]<anarcat>understood
[12:50:48]<ergonlogic>right
[12:51:20]<ergonlogic>so just the default message
[12:51:35]<anarcat>yeah
[12:51:41]<ergonlogic>but I don't understand about not needing the hook_init part
[12:51:42]<anarcat>people can easily override it by changing the frontpage
[12:51:48]<anarcat>why would you need hook_init?
[12:52:16]<ergonlogic>so, you're suggesting pointing the site's frontpage there?
[12:52:29]<ergonlogic>I was trying to keep /hosting/sites
[12:52:30]<anarcat>yes, the site_frontpage variable
[12:52:34]<ergonlogic>for logged in users
[12:52:35]<anarcat>/hosting/sites stays
[12:52:49]<anarcat>it's accessible with the tab up there and people can change site_frontpage to point there if they want
[12:52:57]<anarcat>i wouldn't bother
[12:53:10]<anarcat>or if you want, you could do that in the handler
[12:53:21]<anarcat>but i wouldn't bother
[12:53:28]<ergonlogic>k
[12:53:57]<ergonlogic>well, since the code work already as is, I might publish it in contrib
[12:54:20]<ergonlogic>since it'll still be easier than all the content-type/node stuff
[12:54:32]<anarcat>feel free
[12:54:46]<anarcat>however i believe that the basic built-in drupal types (e.g. page) are sufficient to replace the frontpage
[12:54:48]<ergonlogic>but, then, I already have enough half-abandoned contrib modules...
[12:54:53]<anarcat>if needed
[12:55:08]<ergonlogic>we don't build those in hostmaster, though
[12:55:19]<ergonlogic>we'd have to go and create a page content-type
[12:55:37]<anarcat>i see
[12:55:46]<anarcat>well still, that's rather trivial
[12:55:55]<ergonlogic>sure
[12:56:11]<ergonlogic>except you have a content-type for a single page
[12:56:13]<anarcat>i am worried about bikeshed potential here, if we open the door to customization, people will start asking for the moon
[12:56:20]<ergonlogic>yeah
[12:56:24]<ergonlogic>I see your point
[12:56:43]<anarcat>in my mind, this page should be just like drupal's "welcome to drupal" default screen
[12:56:43]<ergonlogic>I'm just trying not to see my work go to waste :p
[12:56:49]<anarcat>which is in no way customizable
[12:56:57]<anarcat>yeah, i understand, and i'm sorry about that :/
[12:57:02]<ergonlogic>no worries
[12:57:11]<ergonlogic>I should have waited for more feedback
[12:57:17]<ergonlogic>before rushing ahead
[12:57:51]<anarcat>nah you did well
[12:57:54]<ergonlogic>anyway, I'll clean it up, and submit a new patch
[12:57:59]<anarcat>and i am ready to bet you learned
[12:58:08]<ergonlogic>indeed :p
[12:58:36]<ergonlogic>believe it or not, in Munich, I was the one arguing to minimalize Aegir
[12:58:44]<ergonlogic>for 3.x
[12:59:02]<anarcat>hehe
[12:59:03]<ergonlogic>anyway, there was one other issue, I think
[12:59:06]<ergonlogic>let me check
[12:59:21]<ergonlogic>oh, for the tests
[12:59:31]<ergonlogic>so, I'll pull the D5 tests
[12:59:41]<ergonlogic>and read up further on testing in Drush
[12:59:48]<ergonlogic>I'd missed that README
[13:00:21]<ergonlogic>I think I skipped right to grepping through the code, rather than think to look for docs :/
[13:00:32]<anarcat>eh]\
[13:00:39]<anarcat>wow, triple-key fumble
[13:01:05]<ergonlogic>if you have the time this week, I'd like to take another look at the 'moving sites out of platforms' thing
[13:01:07]<anarcat>i threw back other issues at you
[13:01:08]<anarcat>https://drupal.org/node/1798274
[13:01:13]<anarcat>https://drupal.org/node/1830994
[13:01:43]<anarcat>sure
[13:01:49]<anarcat>it'd be great to commit that in
[13:02:12]<ergonlogic>it needs work
[13:02:37]<ergonlogic>but I can't wrap my ahead around what should happen when we varify a site, after changing the data_dir parameter
[13:03:59]<anarcat>i think we have a design problem there
[13:04:09]<anarcat>we need a way to know the previous client name so that we can migrate the files
[13:04:16]<ergonlogic>I'll follow up in those other issues too
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[13:05:41]<ergonlogic>we've already overwritten the context at that point?
[13:05:50]<anarcat>yes, that's the problem
[13:05:57]<anarcat>provision-save is the first thing that happens on any task
[13:06:03]<anarcat>i have the same problem with the client rename bug
[13:06:36]<ergonlogic>could we pass in an --old-client parameter from the front-end
[13:06:38]<ergonlogic>?
[13:06:44]<ergonlogic>or something
[13:07:03]<ergonlogic>the front-end is kinda aware of who the original client was at that point
[13:07:55]<anarcat>hum
[13:07:56]<anarcat>yeah
[13:07:59]<ergonlogic>drush 5 has a cache we could make use of too, maybe
[13:08:03]<anarcat>i am trying to find that damn issue
[13:08:39]<ergonlogic>https://drupal.org/node/1424174?
[13:08:57]<ergonlogic>or https://drupal.org/node/1530610?
[13:09:20]<anarcat>well damn, i can't find it
[13:09:39]<anarcat>no, not that
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[13:09:46]<anarcat>it's actually been reported as a security issue
[13:09:49]<anarcat>so it's not public
[13:09:54]<anarcat>but it's not a security issue either, imho
[13:10:02]<ergonlogic>oh right
[13:10:08]<ergonlogic>you'd mentioned that
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[13:11:07]<anarcat>ah, the issue is still under embargo, which is why it's not committed yet
[13:11:09]<anarcat>blammo
[13:11:18]<ergonlogic>anyway, for drush-vagrant, I'm thinking of using the cache to persist settings across a number of commands, but allow it to be over-ridden if need be...
[13:11:38]<ergonlogic>maybe we could do something similar
[13:12:15]<ergonlogic>but I'm not looking at the code, so I don't know that it makes sense
[13:12:41]<ergonlogic>and I'm not up to doing so tonight, so let's try this week
[13:12:43]<anarcat>i really don't know
[13:12:49]<anarcat>yeah, i should be heading out
[13:12:55]<ergonlogic>k
[13:13:06]<ergonlogic>good to chat
[13:13:15]<anarcat>yeah!
[13:13:17]<ergonlogic>I feel like we're always missing each other lately :)
[13:13:22]<CrawfordComeaux>before you guys go, real quick question...
[13:13:24]<anarcat>yeah
[13:13:27]<anarcat>take care over there :)
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[13:13:38]<ergonlogic>CrawfordComeaux: what's up
[13:13:40]<ergonlogic>?
[13:13:52]<CrawfordComeaux>any thoughts on where I should start looking to hunt down the reason db settings for a site aren't being added to drushrc when going through the complete platform import process?
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[13:15:12]<ergonlogic>not off hand...
[13:15:44]<ergonlogic>i know one of my colleagues was having trouble using the platform import technique last week
[13:15:57]<ergonlogic>and ended up having to import each site individually
[13:16:02]<CrawfordComeaux>or even how to start looking?
[13:16:04]<anarcat>crap
[13:16:55]<ergonlogic>anarcat: ?
[13:17:11]<anarcat>nothing, i am just disappointed that platform import fails
[13:17:38]<CrawfordComeaux>yeah...I'm migrating a dev shop's existing client sites into aegir for them & figure the best way to go about it is platform import (unless you guys think site-based would work)
[13:18:59]<CrawfordComeaux>anarcat: the only issue I found was that the db settings weren't in the drushrc...threw them in & the site verifies just fine (platform/site import functions both succeeded, though there were a couple of warnings in the site import...not yet sure if they could've impacted anything)
[13:19:24]<anarcat>isn't the verify supposed to do that? write drushrc?
[13:22:23]<CrawfordComeaux>I'm not sure.
[13:22:47]<CrawfordComeaux>and to be sure, db settings/creds should always be in the drushrc?
[13:22:56]<anarcat>yes, and verify should write them
[13:24:31]<ergonlogic>we should add platform import to the tests
[13:24:40]<anarcat>indeed
[13:24:49]<anarcat>alright, gone, ttfn
[13:25:22]<ergonlogic>CrawfordComeaux: perhaps file an issue
[13:25:37]<CrawfordComeaux>ok...I'll do that & take a look at the verify code.
[13:26:46]<CrawfordComeaux>May take a crack at the platform import test after I browse through existing tests to get a feel for how they're modeled.
[13:27:19]<CrawfordComeaux>I'm working on the basis for a Business Catalyst
[13:27:35]<ergonlogic>CrawfordComeaux: are you familiar w/ api.aegirproject.org?
[13:27:40]<CrawfordComeaux>clone (oversimplification, but that's the gist of it)
[13:27:42]<ergonlogic>it can sometimes be of help
[13:28:01]<CrawfordComeaux>That's what my weekend's going to be, actually ;)
[13:28:03]<ergonlogic>I don't follow
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[13:28:44]<ergonlogic>oh, Adobe?
[13:29:01]<CrawfordComeaux>Adobe Biz Catalyst: basically like aegir, except propietary & new sites comes preconfiged w/user, event, & customer mgmt, along with billing
[13:29:03]<CrawfordComeaux>yep
[13:30:08]<ergonlogic>along the lines of PageBuild? http://drupal.org/node/1686920
[13:30:09]<hefring>http://drupal.org/node/1686920 => Pagebuild => 6 comments, 1 IRC mention
[13:30:11]<CrawfordComeaux>except open sourced, of course
[13:30:20]<ergonlogic>of course :)
[13:33:40]<CrawfordComeaux>hmmm...good question. I'll have to explore PageBuild & see what's up with it. At first glance it seems like we may be reinventing the wheel here.
[13:34:30]<CrawfordComeaux>I'll have to check with my buddy & see what he knows about it. (note to self: always ask for the research up front)
[13:34:39]<ergonlogic>CrawfordComeaux: well, they haven't released a bunch of stuff
[13:35:25]<ergonlogic>there's also uc_hosting, from a e-commerce integration stand-point
[13:35:32]<ergonlogic>hefring: log pointer
[13:35:32]<hefring>http://hefring.mig5.net/bot/log/aegir/2012-11-17#T310087
[13:35:55]<CrawfordComeaux>yeah, but I'm also helping him flesh out his vision for the whole thing & need to make sure PB's taken into consideration
[13:36:50]<CrawfordComeaux>I've been researching modules for a week or so & uc_hosting's on the list. Seems like UC's going to be the way to go til Aegir makes the D7 jump
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[13:41:35]<CrawfordComeaux>guess I should get Aegir-Up downloading
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[17:15:20]<sto7>hello
[17:15:20]<hefring>privet
[17:20:02]<sto7>I have a question for you Aegir users, is there a limit on the number of sites one platform can handle?
[17:22:08]<sto7>I mean, would performances be altered if Aegir reached like, 10000 sites in the same platform (which means thant this platform's "sites/" folder would contain 10000 folders)?
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[18:34:02]<CrawfordComeaux>sto7: dunno (I'm a newbie to Aegir), but sounds like something you could easily test out by scripting the creation of the sites
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[22:50:46]<ergonlogic>sto7: there's no limit imposed by Aegir on the number of sites a platform can host, but you'd possibly run into some practical challenges
[22:51:22]<ergonlogic>sto7: generally, it's better to have more sites sharing fewer platforms, as it results is less code having to be cached
[22:51:44]<ergonlogic>i.e., one copy of core, views, etc.
[23:36:22]<Zelfje>same question, same right answer as in #drupal 50 minutes ago
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[05:59:40]<murton>what is a good successor to this thing since rackspace seems (?) to have broken it: https://github.com/mig5/aegir_ci
[06:00:23]<murton>anything out there pre-configured to let me deploy a server with aegir using the rackspacd api key?
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[09:33:04]<hefring>community => Can I upgrade to latest Drush? Or will that break Aegir? => http://community.aegirproject.org/discuss/can-i-upgrade-latest-drush-or-...
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