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| [01:07:21] | <lolmaus> | I was trying to leverage the hosting_remote_import module that imports sites from one Aegir installation to another. The module requires adding a Aegir2 as a remote server into Aegir1. |
| [01:07:51] | <lolmaus> | When i did that, all my config files inside /var/aegir/config on Aegir2 were immediately destroyed. |
| [01:08:30] | <lolmaus> | Is that normal for adding remote servers? If yes, then hosting_remote_import is kinda leading people into trap. |
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| [01:14:09] | <Rosso_> | hello all, |
| [01:15:35] | <Rosso_> | question, i have 5 remote aegir server and one master hosting the aegir platform. Backup 5 remote servers takes very long time. So i like to backup directly from remote to a backup server on the same location. Is it possible to backup on a remoteserver instead of backup on master? |
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| [01:36:50] | <ergonlogic> | darthsteven: ping |
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| [02:08:12] | <lolmaus> | Rosso_, Aegir remote server administration is centralized. You can't run Aegir backups locally on remote servers. But you can manually backup stuff there. It will take you longer to restore them, but the backups will fire in way less time. |
| [02:09:40] | <Rosso_> | lolmaus, thnx. I have to reconsider this stuff. because migrating a platform also causes a lot of traffice |
| [02:10:29] | <lolmaus> | Rosso_, i tried Aegir remote servers once and dumped it immediately. |
| [02:11:33] | <Rosso_> | lolmaus, :) yes i understand, but i have over 300 sites and i cannot put them on one server. but i understand that you dumped it |
| [02:12:11] | <lolmaus> | Rosso_, are your servers in the same data center? |
| [02:12:39] | <Rosso_> | thats the main problem. they all are, except the development server (master aegir) |
| [02:13:45] | <lolmaus> | Rosso_, you shouldn't do development on an Aegir slave server! Did you know that if you made changes to files in sites/all/ on a remote server, those changes will be overwritten by originals stored on Aegir master server during platform verification? |
| [02:19:11] | <lolmaus> | Hey ergonlogic, are you around? I need a piece of advice from an Aegir guru, could you please devote a couple of minutes? |
| [02:20:15] | <Rosso_> | lolmaus, i trying to find the right otap. |
| [02:20:26] | <Rosso_> | lolmaus, or dtap |
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| [02:21:04] | <Rosso_> | lolmaus, i have a team of 5 programmers, they hate to verify each css change. so the don't like aegir. |
| [02:21:22] | <Rosso_> | lolmaus, i avoid a lot of problems with installing just a module without thinking. |
| [02:21:47] | <Rosso_> | lolmaus, but still not close to the best solution. so if you have any thought i really would like to hear them |
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| [02:22:46] | <lolmaus> | Rosso_, actually i do. |
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| [02:23:22] | <Rosso_> | so tell me please :) |
| [02:23:33] | <lolmaus> | Rosso_, there's a workflow that would make your programmers happy and deployments quick and painless. |
| [02:25:38] | <lolmaus> | Rosso_, for each of your website project, you should have two git repositories: one for the site's theme, the other one for a drush make file that describes a Drupal platform capable of running that website. |
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| [02:28:04] | <lolmaus> | Drush make is recursion-capable, but unfortunately it forbids repeating declarations. Due to that flaw, i also support a drush make file that is a compilation of all my sites' drush make files. In other words, the big drush make file describes a Drupal platform capable of running any of my sites. |
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| [02:29:08] | <lolmaus> | To save you (and your programmers) some console commands, you should make all your drush makes publically available via https. |
| [02:31:03] | <Rosso_> | lolmaus, so i have to use git and more drush make stuff |
| [02:32:14] | <lolmaus> | This will let you fetch them with the drush command and via Aegir web interface. If your drush make files are private, you'll have to downnload them with git manually and then provide their full names to drush/aegir. |
| [02:32:17] | <lolmaus> | Rosso_, totally! |
| [02:32:52] | <Rosso_> | lolmaus, please tell me that you live next door :) |
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| [02:33:31] | <lolmaus> | Rosso_, i'm in Moscow, Russia. In a month, i'll start looking for a remote job. |
| [02:34:40] | <Rosso_> | lolmaus, :) okay nice.. maybe a wait a month to make big changes. do you have a website with this workflow, explained maybe a little bit more |
| [02:34:53] | <lolmaus> | Rosso_, imagine i'm your developer. You tell me to modify a theme of one of your client's sites. Here's what i do. |
| [02:36:04] | <lolmaus> | 1) I fire up my VirtualBox instance with an Aegir environment (google "aegir-up". i don't use it but it would save time). |
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| [02:37:25] | <lolmaus> | 2) I run a drush make command: drush --translations=ru make https://raw.github.com/rosso/example.com/example.com.make /var/aegir/platforms/example.com-platform-$(date +"%Y-%m-%d--%H-%M-%S") |
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| [02:38:32] | <lolmaus> | This would create a fully functional Drupal installation with all the modules located at "/var/aegir/platforms/example.com-platform-2013-03-12--19-38-12" |
| [02:39:00] | <lolmaus> | The make file also contains a link to a git repository where the site's theme is stored. |
| [02:39:54] | <lolmaus> | 3) I go to your master Aegir web-interface, create the site's backup, transfer it to my virtual machine and import into my dev Aegir. |
| [02:40:50] | <lolmaus> | 4) I modify the theme as needed, commit the changes to git and push them to your git server (e. g. bitbucket.org — it's much cheaper to have private repos on bitbucket than on github). |
| [02:41:43] | <lolmaus> | 5) I (or you) run the drush make command on you Aegir master server, create a platform and import it into your master Drupal. |
| [02:42:10] | <lolmaus> | 6) Then i/you clone the client's production site to the new platform that already contains the modified theme. |
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| [02:42:39] | <lolmaus> | 7) We check that it's good, then delete the cloned site and migrate the production site. |
| [02:42:45] | <lolmaus> | 8) Victory! |
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| [02:42:58] | <ergonlogic> | lolmaus Rosso_ You may be interested in http://drupal.org/project/valkyrie |
| [02:43:15] | <Rosso_> | lolmaus, thnx a lot.. |
| [02:43:16] | <ergonlogic> | not complete yet, but moving towards automating pretty much that workflow |
| [02:45:11] | <ergonlogic> | also, it only requires a single git repo, for the while site directory, which in turn includes a platform.make to make dev/testing/etc. builds easier |
| [02:45:53] | <ergonlogic> | and there's a blueprint in Aegir-up designed to act as a local dev environment |
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| [02:46:40] | <lolmaus> | ergonlogic, oh, you're around! I tried to leverage the hosting_remote_import module and messed up my production Aegir environment. Here's the desciption of my situation: http://drupal.org/node/1940774 Please help me understand two things: |
| [02:46:41] | <hefring> | http://drupal.org/node/1940774 => #1940774: Adding Aegir #2 as a remote server into Aegir #1 breaks Aegir #2 => Remote import - Hostmaster, Documentation, critical, active, 0 comments, 1 IRC mention |
| [02:47:03] | <ergonlogic> | http://drupal.org/project/devshop, on which Valkyrie is based does something similar, but puts the whole platform under git |
| [02:47:04] | <lolmaus> | 1) Was it my fault or hosting_remote_import is really wrong? |
| [02:47:07] | <ergonlogic> | lolmaus: yep :) |
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| [02:48:08] | <lolmaus> | 2) I restored the symlink, but maybe other things were also damaged: cronjobs, etc. What should i manually repair to make my Aegir environment good again? |
| [02:49:52] | <ergonlogic> | lolmaus: I've never come across that, but then I don't use remote_import extensively |
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| [02:50:21] | <ergonlogic> | lolmaus: I guess one question is whether you're running Aegir 1.x or 2.x |
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| [02:52:13] | <lolmaus> | Rosso_, you asked for a link, here it is: http://mig5.net/content/drupal-deployments-workflows-version-control-dru... Actually, its ergonlogic who shared this link with me! The article is really old, but it's THE overview of the workflow. |
| [02:52:38] | <Rosso_> | lolmaus, again thnx a lot |
| [02:52:49] | <ergonlogic> | On 1.x I was having problems with problems with the local Aegir inheriting the remote's contexts: http://drupal.org/node/1663066 |
| [02:52:50] | <hefring> | http://drupal.org/node/1663066 => #1663066: Can't import remote site => Remote import - Provision, Code, normal, closed (works as designed), 10 comments, 3 IRC mentions |
| [02:54:01] | <ergonlogic> | lolmaus: omega8 insists that it works, but I haven't had a chance to test it again |
| [02:54:07] | <lolmaus> | Rosso_, one more thing... if i made changes to Drupal configuration on my dev virtualmachine, i would export them as Features, move to the production platform (again, via git) and then enable them on the live site. |
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| [02:54:24] | <lolmaus> | ergonlogic, i'm on Aegir 1.9 (installed from Debian packages). |
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| [02:54:50] | <lolmaus> | ergonlogic, i didn't see hosting_remote_import forbid using it on Aegir 1.9. :( |
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| [02:55:03] | <ergonlogic> | does it? |
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| [02:55:46] | <lolmaus> | ergonlogic, well, it does not, but it should because following step 1 of its README breaks remote Aegir! |
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| [02:58:38] | <ergonlogic> | lolmaus: according to this, it works: http://drupal.org/node/1594588#comment-7160544 |
| [02:58:38] | <hefring> | http://drupal.org/node/1594588 => #1594588: Remote import of sites - does it work? => Octopus, Documentation, normal, closed (works as designed), 15 comments, 3 IRC mentions |
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| [02:58:52] | <ergonlogic> | unfortunately, those docs are in octopus, not remote_import |
| [02:59:04] | <ergonlogic> | and they appear to refer to Aegir 2.x |
| [02:59:35] | <ergonlogic> | I don't know whether those are stock .deb installed Aegirs, but I highly doubt it |
| [03:00:12] | <ergonlogic> | so, there may be other changes in the Octopus/Barracuda fork that fix it too |
| [03:00:13] | <lolmaus> | ergonlogic, importing sites didn't work for me exactly as described in this thread. But my concern is: 1) Is it hosting_remote_import readme to blame for breaking my Aegir; 2) What else could be broken and how do i restore it? |
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| [03:00:54] | <ergonlogic> | 1) possibly, but I certainly haven't seen that |
| [03:01:22] | <ergonlogic> | I'd suggest trying to duplicate the problem in Virtualbox(es) |
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| [03:02:01] | <lolmaus> | ergonlogic, btw, omega8cc is a wicked nginx ninja. :) |
| [03:02:05] | <ergonlogic> | 2) I don't know what has happened, so I can't suggest fixes... |
| [03:02:26] | <ergonlogic> | It sounds like you got it back up and running though |
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| [03:02:41] | <lolmaus> | ergonlogic, basically, Aegir 1.9 ran its server verification procedure on a remote server that happened to be another Aegir environment. |
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| [03:04:40] | <ergonlogic> | lolmaus: I don't think that should happen |
| [03:05:08] | <ergonlogic> | lolmaus: did you also set the remote server to have db and/or web services? |
| [03:05:21] | <lolmaus> | ergonlogic, yes i did. |
| [03:05:26] | <ergonlogic> | I had only set it to use the remote_import service |
| [03:05:32] | <lolmaus> | Oh! |
| [03:05:37] | <ergonlogic> | that's probably the problem, then |
| [03:06:13] | <ergonlogic> | Aegir assumes that remotes are dumb. i.e. no Aegir, no provision, etc. |
| [03:06:40] | <ergonlogic> | so it has to build all the contexts, etc. |
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| [03:07:42] | <lolmaus> | ergonlogic, is remote_import capable of retrieving databases without a direct MySQL connection? |
| [03:08:30] | <ergonlogic> | lolmaus: iirc, it just takes a backup of the remote site, rsyncs it locally, and then deploys it |
| [03:09:00] | <ergonlogic> | so the remote aegir handles the db connection |
| [03:09:09] | <ergonlogic> | remote_import never touches it directly |
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| [03:11:28] | <lolmaus> | ergonlogic, oh |
| [03:11:45] | <Rosso_> | lolmaus, another question |
| [03:12:23] | <Rosso_> | i try to increase the upload limit.. i changed all php.ini files but still it is 2mb |
| [03:13:12] | <lolmaus> | Rosso_, did you restart Apache? |
| [03:13:20] | <Rosso_> | yes |
| [03:14:02] | <Rosso_> | lolmaus, can it be a remote server problem again :) |
| [03:14:43] | <ergonlogic> | Rosso_: you may want to review these: http://community.aegirproject.org/node/39 |
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| [03:15:53] | <lolmaus> | Rosso_, did you change both upload_max_filesize and post_max_size for the php.ini of the web server actually running the website? |
| [03:17:20] | <Rosso_> | memory_limit = 196M upload_max_filesize = 16M post_max_size = 20M |
| [03:18:48] | <lolmaus> | Rosso_, on the remote server? |
| [03:18:55] | <Rosso_> | correct |
| [03:20:31] | <lolmaus> | Rosso_, did you restart the remote server's Apache with "restart" or "reload"? |
| [03:21:23] | <Rosso_> | restart |
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| [03:23:37] | <Rosso_> | fixed, foudn a better solution with .htaccess |
| [03:23:42] | <lolmaus> | Yay! |
| [03:23:54] | <lolmaus> | Rosso_, do you use Jabber/Google Talk? |
| [03:24:12] | <Rosso_> | yes |
| [03:24:47] | <Rosso_> | i use google talk |
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| [03:30:28] | <lolmaus> | ergonlogic, thank you for all your time and help. |
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| [03:41:47] | <lolmaus> | Bye |
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| [04:37:15] | <Met4physica> | I am having trouble getting commerce kickstart running, anyone else? |
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| [04:40:29] | <ergonlogic> | Met4physica: You may want to check the issue queues. I believe others have had challenges. |
| [04:40:45] | <Met4physica> | Which issue queue would I check; thanks |
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| [04:44:19] | <ergonlogic> | Met4physica: you can use the search box in the help block on community.aegirproject.org to search across all of them |
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| [04:46:48] | <Met4physica> | Doesn't seem to be much there except for a post by Mig5 saying it doesn't work yet... :( |
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| [05:09:14] | <ergonlogic> | Met4physica: here, they've been moved over to commerce_kickstart's queue: http://drupal.org/project/issues?text=aegir&projects=Commerce+Kickstart&... |
| [05:09:29] | <ergonlogic> | darthsteven: ping |
| [05:09:44] | <Met4physica> | thank you... |
| [05:10:22] | <Met4physica> | so it looks like i need to install it locally then import the site..? |
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