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| [00:28:02] | <ergonlogic> | darthsteven: pong |
| [00:28:58] | <darthsteven> | ergonlogic: pong! |
| [00:29:24] | <ergonlogic> | hi! |
| [00:29:44] | <darthsteven> | Hello! |
| [00:29:48] | <ergonlogic> | I just rebuilt my vagrant box with your changes |
| [00:29:56] | <ergonlogic> | I'm looking forward to seeing the result |
| [00:31:09] | <darthsteven> | Hah, yeah I just fixed what I saw was broken |
| [00:31:18] | <darthsteven> | I'm not sure i got it installing |
| [00:31:25] | <darthsteven> | And there's still a lot broken |
| [00:31:28] | <ergonlogic> | It was installing before |
| [00:31:37] | <darthsteven> | Ah right |
| [00:31:39] | <ergonlogic> | I'd gotten it mostly working |
| [00:31:45] | <darthsteven> | Then I didn't break it more :) |
| [00:32:00] | <ergonlogic> | I'll let you know in a few minutes ;) |
| [00:33:27] | <darthsteven> | I'm just popping out for lunch... |
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| [02:39:42] | <Iztok> | hi everyone, have a question |
| [02:40:01] | <Iztok> | would like to sync back to master server from remote |
| [02:40:19] | <Iztok> | only way i know how to do this is by doing backup of the site |
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| [03:36:34] | <daften> | hi |
| [03:36:34] | <hefring> | bonjour |
| [03:36:46] | <daften> | quick question on migrate tasks in aegir 1.9 |
| [03:37:02] | <daften> | it doesn't look like the sites i'm migrating are put in maintenance mode |
| [03:37:08] | <daften> | is the documentation from http://community.aegirproject.org/node/23 outdated |
| [03:37:13] | <daften> | or am i missing something? |
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| [04:16:01] | <ergonlogic> | daften: it should put it in maintenance mode prior to the migration, and then put it back in production mode afterwards |
| [04:16:40] | <ergonlogic> | daften: if your seeing otherwise, then it's likely a bug, and you should consider filing a bug report |
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| [04:22:24] | <daften> | ergonlogic: thanks for the answer |
| [04:22:37] | <daften> | i'll double check with a larger site and on another aegir instance first though :) |
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| [05:12:45] | <Ogredude> | ergonlogic: I'm having a heck of a time getting Aegir running on Ubuntu 12.04 with nginx and with mariadb on a different box. I can't even list the number of things I've tried, I hacked on it all day yesterday trying different things. I know I can get it running from the Debian package, with Apache and MySQL all on the same box. Do you think it'd be a better approach to set it up that way and then move the http service to nginx, and move the db to |
| [05:12:46] | <Ogredude> | the other box, or should I try a manual installation on CentOS instead of Ubuntu? |
| [05:13:46] | <Ogredude> | Here's one of my latest runs. It's always always been the exact same symptom. The problem starts at line 365. https://gist.github.com/ogredude/8299925ccc623ff250d7 |
| [05:14:01] | * ergonlogic is looking |
| [05:14:46] | <Ogredude> | I greeked IPs and domain |
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| [05:19:05] | <Ogredude> | this guy had the same symptoms as me, but his fix didn't work on mine. http://drupal.org/node/1237112 |
| [05:19:06] | <hefring> | http://drupal.org/node/1237112 => #1237112: hostmaster-install fails, does not create tables => Provision, Code, normal, closed (fixed), 4 comments, 1 IRC mention |
| [05:19:28] | <Ogredude> | and I found another one with the same symptom, they were missing `unzip`. So was I, but installing it did not fix the issue. |
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| [05:22:03] | <Ogredude> | huh. |
| [05:22:18] | <Ogredude> | ergonlogic: okay it's got to have something to do with the remote database, or with the fact that I'm running MariaDB instead of MySQL |
| [05:22:39] | <Ogredude> | I just fired it off again, with a MySQL on localhost, and it installed successfully. Aegir running on nginx with a local MySQL database. |
| [05:22:44] | <ergonlogic> | well, you can try with a remote mysql, to eliminate mariadb as a problem |
| [05:23:03] | <Ogredude> | going to snapshot this box so I have a fallback position at least |
| [05:23:27] | <ergonlogic> | then maybe try dropping some drush_print_r()s in hostmaster.profile |
| [05:23:38] | <ergonlogic> | around here: http://drupalcode.org/project/hostmaster.git/blob/refs/heads/6.x-1.x:/ho... |
| [05:23:52] | <ergonlogic> | see what it's finding for db_server, etc. |
| [05:25:08] | <Ogredude> | oh right, does the db server have to have a fqdn or can it be just an IP? |
| [05:25:45] | <Ogredude> | if it's just the IP then I can spool up a new db box with mysql on it, otherwise I'll have to rebuild the existing box |
| [05:25:58] | <Ogredude> | (just because I hate waiting for DNS propagation :) ) |
| [05:26:58] | <ergonlogic> | http://drupal.org/node/1237112 really looks like the same problem you're having |
| [05:26:58] | <hefring> | http://drupal.org/node/1237112 => #1237112: hostmaster-install fails, does not create tables => Provision, Code, normal, closed (fixed), 4 comments, 2 IRC mentions |
| [05:27:22] | <Ogredude> | it does |
| [05:27:30] | <Ogredude> | but the posted solution didn't help |
| [05:27:40] | <Ogredude> | I added an aegir user with all privileges on *.* with grant option |
| [05:27:58] | <ergonlogic> | Ogredude: Have you configured the remote server to be an aegir remote? |
| [05:28:10] | <Ogredude> | uhhh, no... |
| [05:28:17] | <Ogredude> | all I want on the other one is the databases |
| [05:28:31] | <Ogredude> | didn't know I had to have anything but a database server on that box |
| [05:29:17] | <Ogredude> | ergonlogic: okay that gist I posted is at least a few runs ago, before I created the aegir mysql user... I eventually stopped capturing these because I couldn't find anyone else to look at them with anyway |
| [05:29:18] | <ergonlogic> | I don't really know, since I've never tried to install the way you are here |
| [05:29:41] | <ergonlogic> | you might try http://community.aegirproject.org/node/30 |
| [05:33:02] | <Ogredude> | alright if I'm understanding this correctly, Aegir just connects to the remote server's MySQL |
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| [05:33:16] | <Ogredude> | which means the db server wouldn't need anything special on it |
| [05:45:51] | <Ogredude> | ergonlogic: okay I created a db.domain.com server in Aegir, it reported that it passed its tests, so I created a new site using the new db server, and once the queue ran it processed just fine and brought up the site |
| [05:47:09] | <ergonlogic> | ok, so now you have a site in aegir backed by a remote db? |
| [05:47:14] | <Ogredude> | yup |
| [05:47:23] | <Ogredude> | and I haven't done anything at all to the db server |
| [05:47:36] | <Ogredude> | so I'm not sure why it works from within aegir but not from hostmaster-install |
| [05:50:06] | <Ogredude> | so now the question is how to migrate hostmaster itself to that other db server. I'm assuming it's going to be migrating the database over and then figuring out which variable in there to manually tweak to get it pointed in the right direction. |
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| [05:55:45] | <ergonlogic> | that'll be a bit difficult, since the hostmaster site has a reduced set of tasks available |
| [05:55:54] | <ergonlogic> | 'migrate' being one of those |
| [05:56:03] | <Ogredude> | ok worst case scenario, I have a snapshot of Aegir on nginx with local MySQL, and I can successfully provision new sites onto the remote DB server. So worst case, we just leave hostmaster on localhost and provision new sites on the db |
| [05:57:28] | <Ogredude> | I was thinking about oldschool migration. dump the database, load it on the remote box. Edit some config files on the aegir box, and there'd be some handwavium of stuff to edit in the database.... But it still sounds like a beast |
| [05:57:52] | <Ogredude> | so I think what I'm going to do is revert to my pre-hostmaster snapshot and try this again, installing to the remote db |
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| [06:07:38] | <Ogredude> | ergonlogic: is there a good way to capture all the output of the drush hostmaster-install command? I tried piping it through tee but it only captured to the "ready to install (y/n)" question. I've been manually copy/pasting my backscroll to construct these gists. |
| [06:07:43] | <Ogredude> | and it's terrible |
| [06:08:14] | <ergonlogic> | yeah, hang on |
| [06:09:16] | <ergonlogic> | Ogredude: this is what I do in puppet-aegir to generate an install.log: http://drupalcode.org/project/puppet-aegir.git/blob/HEAD:/manifests/manu... |
| [06:11:47] | <Ogredude> | oh okay |
| [06:11:57] | <Ogredude> | pump stderr and stdout into the /var/aegir/install.log |
| [06:16:18] | <Ogredude> | ergonlogic: and, success. |
| [06:16:30] | <Ogredude> | seriously wtf I tried this like a dozen times yesterday with absolutely no luck |
| [06:16:38] | <Ogredude> | ergonlogic: thanks for lending the "mechanic's touch" |
| [06:16:46] | <ergonlogic> | sure :) |
| [06:16:57] | <Ogredude> | it installed quietly with no hassle |
| [06:17:16] | <Ogredude> | and I'm up and running with Aegir on nginx on one box, MariaDB on the other box |
| [06:17:26] | <ergonlogic> | I've been installing aegir over and over again a lot lately |
| [06:17:38] | <Ogredude> | I've been fighting with it since Friday |
| [06:17:48] | <ergonlogic> | so I've been piping output that way a lot |
| [06:18:12] | <Ogredude> | yeah, the only real issue is it doesn't echo to the screen, so I just opened a new tmux pane and tail -f /var/aegir/install.log |
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| [06:18:52] | <Ogredude> | holy cow, I've got a working Aegir now! |
| [06:19:02] | <ergonlogic> | well, I'm not so much fighting with it... we'll have a pretty exciting announcement in a coupld weeks, though. |
| [06:19:10] | <ergonlogic> | Ogredude: great! |
| [06:19:17] | <Ogredude> | ok now I think I need to image both machines in the likely event that I totally screw this thing up while learning how to use it. |
| [06:19:26] | <ergonlogic> | so, what change did you make to get it to work? |
| [06:19:32] | <Ogredude> | that's the weird part. nothing. |
| [06:19:41] | <ergonlogic> | It'd be great if you documented it in the handbook |
| [06:19:48] | <Ogredude> | I restored my pre-hostmaster install image, installed unzip again, and an the install command, and it worked this time |
| [06:19:50] | <ergonlogic> | oh... gremlins |
| [06:19:59] | <Ogredude> | I followed exactly the same sequence that I followed several times yesterday |
| [06:20:21] | <Ogredude> | yeah, at this point my only guess as to what fixed it is your attention |
| [06:20:35] | <ergonlogic> | the reverse jinx |
| [06:20:40] | <Ogredude> | Same way your car never acts up when the mechanic drives it |
| [06:21:59] | <ergonlogic> | whenever I demo aegir at a drupalcamp/con I always warn everybody of the opposite of that |
| [06:22:22] | <ergonlogic> | 'this demo worked this morning (on this wifi, etc.), but now that I'm up on stage, it's sure to break' |
| [06:22:33] | <ergonlogic> | c'est la vie |
| [06:22:48] | <Ogredude> | oh sure |
| [06:22:55] | <Ogredude> | they *always* break when you try to demo them to clients |
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| [06:23:29] | <Ogredude> | when I go in for a training meeting with a client, I always lead the meeting with an explanation that we *WILL* find things that need to be tweaked and fixed, and we're going to make a to-do list for those things. |
| [06:23:43] | <ergonlogic> | yep |
| [06:23:57] | <Ogredude> | heh |
| [06:24:20] | <Ogredude> | it's sad, this victory seems lesser because I have honestly no idea why it worked this time and didn't work all day yesterday, and the day before, and Friday... |
| [06:24:42] | <Ogredude> | although it could be a mixture of the 'root' vs 'aegir' db user and the missing unzip |
| [06:24:50] | <ergonlogic> | maybe it depended on you piping the output ;) |
| [06:24:51] | <Ogredude> | my pre-hostmaster image doesn't have unzip on it, I noticed |
| [06:25:08] | <Ogredude> | that's just nonsensical enough to possibly be the truth, ergonlogic |
| [06:25:22] | <Ogredude> | I figure computers just have it in for me |
| [06:25:30] | <Ogredude> | "Kill all ogres!" |
| [06:25:41] | <ergonlogic> | I'm just glad all this stuff works as often as it does |
| [06:25:50] | <Ogredude> | I had hair on top of my head before I started working with computers |
| [06:25:53] | <ergonlogic> | they're hugely complex machines |
| [06:26:00] | <Ogredude> | yeah |
| [06:26:15] | <Ogredude> | and I can't even imagine the wild and crazy things you guys did to make Aegir work |
| [06:26:33] | <ergonlogic> | I came to the project after all that |
| [06:26:34] | <Ogredude> | deploying a new drupal is a bit of an involved process |
| [06:27:56] | <Ogredude> | at the moment I've got a sql dump that I keep, and a sites/blank_site folder, and I will cp -R blank_site customername, manually create a database, edit the settings.php, and then `drush sql-connect` < blank_site.sql and drush updb |
| [06:28:19] | <Ogredude> | far from effortless :) |
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| [06:33:47] | <rahulbile> | Hello |
| [06:33:47] | <hefring> | salut |
| [06:34:41] | <rahulbile> | Can we have 4 instances of hostmaster on one server, so that multiple request for site setup can be served parallel ? |
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| [06:37:38] | <Ogredude> | rahulbile: I imagine if that was possible you'd have to know which hostmaster each site was provisioned from and login to that one to do anything with the site |
| [06:38:12] | <Ogredude> | rahulbile: are you planning on provisioning dozens of sites at once? |
| [06:38:32] | <rahulbile> | Ogredude: thanks for reply. Yes. |
| [06:39:03] | <Ogredude> | honestly, I don't know. I just got my Aegir installed, I haven't even figured out how to use it yet. |
| [06:39:35] | <Ogredude> | but from what I'm seeing in here so far, each hostmaster has complete control over the sites provisioned in it, I'm not really seeing any way to run multiple hostmasters that provision sites into the same pool so all the hostmasters can see all the sites |
| [06:40:16] | <Ogredude> | I imagine that it'd probably be possible, just provision a new site with the hostmaster platform... but you'd end up with 4 places a site could be, I think it'd end up being far more a maintenance headache than the time savings you get from having 4 queues running at once |
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| [06:40:38] | <Ogredude> | you're probably going to be better off just provisioning all your sites, and then going for a coffee break while the queue processes |
| [06:40:55] | <Ogredude> | rahulbile: how often do you anticipate needing to provision several sites at once? |
| [06:41:06] | <rahulbile> | Ogredude: its like any one comes and request for a subdomain setup... and gets his site setup in may be 10 - 15 mins |
| [06:41:13] | <Ogredude> | is it going to be a one-time thing or will it be a weekly/monthly/quarterly thing? |
| [06:41:29] | <Ogredude> | ah okay |
| [06:41:29] | <rahulbile> | so can actually make a guest user sit idle for rest all queue to finish. |
| [06:41:35] | <rahulbile> | cant* |
| [06:42:21] | <rahulbile> | Ogredude: Thanks anyways. appreciate your help. |
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| [06:45:12] | <ergonlogic> | well, you wouldn't get multiple queues that way anyway |
| [06:45:18] | <Ogredude> | no? |
| [06:45:43] | <ergonlogic> | the queue is processed from the backend |
| [06:46:21] | <Ogredude> | ah, okay |
| [06:46:30] | <Ogredude> | so it doesn't really matter how many hostmasters are up, there's still only one queue |
| [06:46:31] | <ergonlogic> | so you'd need to be running hosting-dispatch against all the aegirs |
| [06:46:51] | <ergonlogic> | actually, boa does something like that, I think |
| [06:47:11] | <Ogredude> | as far as making them wait 10-15 minutes? I don't really see that as a problem. I've seen many many things where you push the "Go" button and they say it'll take a couple hours and they'll email you when it's ready |
| [06:47:18] | <ergonlogic> | no, you have multiple queues, but it works out to be the same as having multiple separate servers, essentialy |
| [06:47:55] | <ergonlogic> | yeah, it'd only be if you have lots of stuff ahead of it in the queue |
| [06:48:30] | <ergonlogic> | I suppose it'd be possible to add a 'priority' or something to tasks |
| [06:48:32] | <Ogredude> | okay so I was overall right. The only way to get them processing simulataneously is with completely separate hostmasters that don't know a thing about what the other hostmasters know |
| [06:48:38] | <ergonlogic> | but it'd take some dev |
| [06:48:48] | <ergonlogic> | certianly not out-of-the-box |
| [06:49:06] | <ergonlogic> | pretty much |
| [06:49:21] | <ergonlogic> | I'm sure there'd be work-arounds |
| [06:50:00] | <Ogredude> | yeah if you know how to code drupal well enough |
| [06:50:14] | <ergonlogic> | and drush |
| [06:50:44] | <ergonlogic> | maybe we'll look at tackling that in aegir 3, or something, if there were tight use-cases |
| [06:51:30] | <ergonlogic> | hosting_services could form the basis of such a thing, I suppose |
| [06:51:43] | <Ogredude> | aegir 3 is going to be on the d8 platform, right? |
| [06:51:54] | <ergonlogic> | have a single (non-aegir) front-end talking to multiple (aegir) back-ends |
| [06:52:14] | <ergonlogic> | probably |
| [06:53:03] | <Ogredude> | well so far I do believe I've got my dream setup. Aegir and nginx on one box, databases on another box. Now I should be able to spool up new web heads and db servers as needed. |
| [06:53:32] | <Ogredude> | I have a feeling yesterday's failures were due to me being exhausted and frustrated, and each fail was caused by either trying to use the mysql root user, or not having unzip on the box, or both. |
| [06:53:43] | <Ogredude> | it's just weird that the root user issue will act the same as the unzip not present issue |
| [06:54:02] | <Ogredude> | it's also odd that unzip isn't mentioned in the prerequisites in the documentation, and it's not installed on Ubuntu 12.04 server by default |
| [06:55:13] | <ergonlogic> | Ogredude: the handbook is a wiki (hint, hint) ;) |
| [06:55:58] | <Ogredude> | oh would you look at that |
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| [07:00:46] | <Ogredude> | and coincidentally, reading the handbook is my next task |
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| [07:12:05] | <Ogredude> | ergonlogic: I think it's pretty amusing that I'm running Aegir and Drupal, on a droplet provided by DigitalOcean :) |
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| [07:12:22] | <Ogredude> | definitely got the whole water thing covered. |
| [07:12:49] | <ergonlogic> | indeed :) |
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| [07:36:02] | <phizes> | Ogredude: I am jealous of the naming |
| [07:36:55] | <Ogredude> | :) |
| [07:37:30] | <Ogredude> | phizes: 512MB RAM, 1 2GHz core, 20GB disk, and 1TB bandwidth is only $5/mo with them |
| [07:37:40] | <Ogredude> | so far I've been extremely happy. They're all on SSD drives. |
| [07:37:52] | <phizes> | Not bad at all! |
| [07:37:57] | <Ogredude> | I can restart a droplet and be shelled in again in about 5 seconds |
| [07:39:13] | <Ogredude> | additional bandwidth is only $0.02/GB and I believe so is disk space |
| [07:39:49] | <Ogredude> | oh yeah and they actually charge by the hour. the little droplets I'm using are 0.7¢/hour |
| [07:41:09] | <phizes> | I've currently got a VMware with a company here called Afrihost, it's R279 (approx $38) 4GB RAM, 2 x 2ghz cores, and 100gb disk space (Network disks, but faster access than another company I was with who said they were on the host), problem is only 50GB bw, though for some reason bw in SA is way expensive |
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| [07:42:40] | <Ogredude> | hey that's not bad at all either |
| [07:43:08] | <Ogredude> | DO's 4GB/2core/60GB/4TB droplet is $40/mo |
| [07:43:20] | <Ogredude> | they've got a data center in New York and one in Amsterdam |
| [07:43:33] | <Ogredude> | I imagine bandwidth is expensive there because it all has to go on undersea cable |
| [07:45:19] | <phizes> | Ogredude: Afaik most of the worlds data is undersea cable? hence I can get ping times of <180ms to New York, and <120ms to the uk or germany, it's not consistent though |
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| [07:46:06] | <Ogredude> | hmm |
| [07:46:22] | <Ogredude> | you know, honestly I don't have a clue why things are priced so radically differently around the world |
| [07:46:37] | <Ogredude> | German citizens can quite easily and inexpensively get 100mbps home service |
| [07:46:43] | <Ogredude> | around here, we cap out at 40mpbs |
| [07:46:47] | <Ogredude> | (Idaho, USA) |
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| [07:52:28] | <phizes> | Ogredude: Well, for us, the R->$ exchange kicks our butts, as well as local companies having to foot some of the bill for undersea cables all the way down from the europe area, with most of the bandwidth available in the cables ending up on our shores |
| [07:53:16] | <Ogredude> | that makes sense |
| [07:53:28] | <Ogredude> | most of the interior of the continent isn't wired for high-speed internet, right? |
| [07:55:04] | <phizes> | Well, SA is, but further up in Africa, there are still a lot of poor countries, or ones recovering/heading into/ have been for years in civil war |
| [08:03:53] | <Ogredude> | yeah |
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| [08:20:32] | <mvc> | here in .ca we complain about prices being higher than the US, but for us it's largely a population density thing |
| [08:22:29] | <Ogredude> | mvc: yeah population density is a tough thing to deal with. I mean on one hand I'd love to have the stuff available that densely populated areas like San Francisco have, but on the other hand I really don't like being in a huge city. |
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| [08:25:20] | <mvc> | my brother lives in .kr -- comparable population & per captia GDP, one tenth the size of .ca |
| [08:25:39] | <mvc> | and bandwidth prices to match. |
| [08:27:10] | <Ogredude> | yeah, Korea's way ahead of US as far as cool tech gadgets too |
| [08:27:18] | <Ogredude> | s/US/the US/ |
| [08:29:56] | <Ogredude> | I visited China when I was a teen, I remember walking into an electronics parts store in Xian and finding LEDs for about USD$0.005 each, they were about USD$0.69 at home at the time |
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| [09:01:12] | <Ogredude> | ergonlogic: http://community.aegirproject.org/installing/manual <-- I added to 3.2.2, 3.6, and added 5.3.0.1 -- could you please braincheck me? |
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| [09:17:14] | <ergonlogic> | Ogredude: Looks good! |
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| [09:23:12] | <darthsteven> | ergonlogic: you may want to pull the d7 stuff, I've just pushed a bunch of fixes |
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| [09:28:03] | <Ogredude> | ergonlogic: ok good, thanks |
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| [10:02:46] | <Ogredude> | oh shiny. I just found the vector Aegir logo. http://community.aegirproject.org/sites/community.aegirproject.org/files... |
| [10:03:01] | <Ogredude> | to-do list: Create Aegir stickers on vinyl cutter |
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| [10:03:18] | <Ogredude> | ergonlogic: if I run a batch of Aegir stickers, you want me to send you some? |
| [10:03:40] | <Ogredude> | I've actually got a good-sized hunk of vinyl in the right color, too |
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