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| [13:59:21] | <hefring> | Git => Issue #1980136 by Deciphered, anarcat: Allow setting default profile from the front... => http://drupalcode.org/project/hostmaster.git/commitdiff/d98e929c3b700699... |
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| [04:27:44] | <mstenta> | Hey all… I'm curious about how you all go about your development process with Aegir... |
| [04:28:04] | <mstenta> | I have a custom installation profile, and I can build that into a platform easily enough... |
| [04:28:39] | <mstenta> | But it seems difficult to make incremental changes to that platform without building a whole new version of it and migrating sites from one to the next... |
| [04:29:28] | <mstenta> | Do you have any advice on workflow for stuff like that? Where do y'all do your profile development? Is it outside of aegir? Is it possible to do profile development under the aegir umbrella? |
| [04:30:03] | <mstenta> | I realize this is a very general question… and I'm not expecting any easy answers… just looking to get some ideas... |
| [04:31:12] | <mstenta> | I am ideally looking at setting up a live server with Aegir and all my production sites managed by it… but I would also like to set up a local virtual machine (using Vagrant) that can be a near-exact replica of that server, for development purposes. |
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| [04:31:49] | <mstenta> | But with Aegir, I'm a bit stumped about how best to actually make changes to the platforms… while still using Git… |
| [04:32:39] | <ergonlogic> | mstenta: hi, I might be able to help there |
| [04:32:45] | <mstenta> | I'm comfortable with the idea of making bigger "releases" of platforms when it comes time to push the changes up to the production server… but what about DURING development? |
| [04:33:03] | <mstenta> | thanks ergonlogic, any tips are greatly appreciated |
| [04:33:26] | <ergonlogic> | the point of building a new platform and then migrating your sites is to provide rollback |
| [04:33:44] | <ergonlogic> | and you don't want to make changes to the live platform/site for the same reason |
| [04:34:03] | <ergonlogic> | but those shouldn't be concerns with dev/testing sites and platforms |
| [04:34:32] | <ergonlogic> | so you can just make the changes you like directly, and see the changes immediately |
| [04:35:13] | <mstenta> | ergonlogic: that makes sense… so developing directly in the /platforms directory, in other words (but only on the testing site) |
| [04:35:20] | <ergonlogic> | If you keep your profile under git, then you can track any changes as you go, and tag releases as needed |
| [04:35:25] | <ergonlogic> | right |
| [04:35:43] | <ergonlogic> | just remember to update your makefiles when you add a new module/theme |
| [04:36:10] | <ergonlogic> | you may also want to check out DevShop and/or Valkyrie |
| [04:36:36] | <mstenta> | ergonlogic: and would you suggest having my working git repository in /profiles as well? perhaps with "modules/contrib" and "themes/contrib" in the .gitignore? so i can develop directly in the platform directory, and commit directly form there as well? |
| [04:36:38] | <ergonlogic> | DevShop is a suite of modules and drush extensions to build Dev workflows atop Aegir |
| [04:37:11] | <mstenta> | ergonlogic: ok great I will look into that now |
| [04:37:54] | <ergonlogic> | if you mean profiles/your_profile/.git, then yes |
| [04:38:08] | <mstenta> | ok |
| [04:38:32] | <mstenta> | brilliant. that makes sense to me |
| [04:39:14] | <ergonlogic> | To elaborate a bit on DevShop, it puts your entire platform under Git, and will then build 'environments' in 'projects' for you |
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| [04:40:22] | <mstenta> | right now I have a custom profile with a bunch of custom module that a few sites are hosted on… but it is still very early in development, so changes are happening quickly to the custom modules within it... |
| [04:40:23] | <ergonlogic> | Valkyrie is built atop DevShop (and is currently alpha, at best), but only puts the site directory under git |
| [04:40:30] | <mstenta> | ok |
| [04:40:38] | <ergonlogic> | right |
| [04:41:27] | <mstenta> | i have cobbled together a rough custom deployment method for myself (before I started experimenting with Aegir)… where I have a few pre-built platforms for versions of the profile… and I have one that is a "7.x-1.x" which is always changing |
| [04:41:39] | <mstenta> | so it sounds like I can do something similar |
| [04:41:47] | <ergonlogic> | essentially, it depends on what your goals are |
| [04:42:04] | <ergonlogic> | if you're looking to build a profile/distribution, then you're on the right track |
| [04:42:34] | <mstenta> | right. ok. well I will spend some time reading up on DevShop and Valkyrie to better understand what they can do for me |
| [04:42:35] | <ergonlogic> | if you're more focused on building sites, then there are more options |
| [04:42:43] | <ergonlogic> | sure |
| [04:42:53] | <mstenta> | yes. i am currently focused on a single distribute that i'm developing |
| [04:43:04] | <ergonlogic> | I assume you've read mig5's article on profile-base development? |
| [04:43:20] | <mstenta> | ergonlogic: maybe? do you have the link? |
| [04:43:26] | <ergonlogic> | hang on |
| [04:43:40] | <mstenta> | thanks |
| [04:44:54] | <mstenta> | ah this one? |
| [04:44:54] | <mstenta> | http://mig5.net/content/drupal-deployments-workflows-version-control-dru... |
| [04:45:05] | <ergonlogic> | http://community.aegirproject.org/article-archive/drupal-deployments-wor... |
| [04:45:14] | <ergonlogic> | yep |
| [04:45:15] | <ergonlogic> | same one |
| [04:45:18] | <mstenta> | great |
| [04:45:46] | <mstenta> | yes, i saw it in my research earlier but i didn't read through it in detail… at first glance it looked basically the same as the methods i was developing... |
| [04:45:53] | <mstenta> | thanks i will read it in more detail to compare my ideas |
| [04:46:05] | <ergonlogic> | mstenta: it would be great if you documented your workflow on the community site |
| [04:46:11] | <ergonlogic> | it's essentially the same |
| [04:46:33] | <mstenta> | ergonlogic: ok i certainly will… if i have anything different that is worth contributing |
| [04:46:38] | <ergonlogic> | but it's focus is on site building/dev |
| [04:46:47] | <mstenta> | great, just what i'm looking for |
| [04:46:49] | <ergonlogic> | that'd be great |
| [04:46:51] | <ergonlogic> | :) |
| [04:47:10] | <ergonlogic> | gtg |
| [04:47:11] | <mstenta> | thanks a lot ergonlogic! i'll spend some time today reading through those things |
| [04:47:24] | <mstenta> | not sure if karma is a thing here, but... |
| [04:47:26] | <mstenta> | ergonlogic++ |
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| [07:12:39] | <Ogredude> | First of the Aegir stickers has come out of my cutter. http://imgur.com/RCjdK2a |
| [07:24:27] | <hefring> | Git => Move hosting_task form API docs to their proper place, and flesh them out a bit. => http://drupalcode.org/project/hostmaster.git/commitdiff/bbc2fc2756551db1... |
| [07:24:27] | <hefring> | Git => Move backup_delete form hooks to their proper place. => http://drupalcode.org/project/hostmaster.git/commitdiff/f282f497f36a956f... |
| [07:42:40] | <ergonlogic> | Ogredude: nice! |
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