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| [12:08:47] | <pr0teus> | does aegir 2.0 was built-in d7?! |
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| [12:59:51] | <Deciphered> | helmo_: ping |
| [13:01:30] | <Deciphered> | Any aegir-istas around with knowledge of the automated backups system? |
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| [15:07:41] | <Deciphered> | ergonlogic: ping |
| [15:07:57] | <ergonlogic> | Deciphered: pong |
| [15:08:37] | <Deciphered> | ergonlogic: Hey, saw you being active in the issue queue, so I figured I'd try my luck. I'm looking into aegir backups stuff, you know much about it? |
| [15:08:52] | <ergonlogic> | some |
| [15:08:59] | <ergonlogic> | what in particuler? |
| [15:09:30] | <Deciphered> | Well, mainly if the automated backups (when deleting, migrating, etc) should be being tracked as normal backups and be somewhat useful |
| [15:09:45] | <Deciphered> | I've been looking at hosting_site_backup_manager, but it still doesn't seem to do anything with those automated backups |
| [15:12:01] | <Deciphered> | I guess I just want to find out what the aegir hivemind has in plan for backups, if anything, before I start trying to fix things that I deem strange |
| [15:13:49] | <ergonlogic> | I don't recall discussing it with anyone lately |
| [15:13:54] | <Deciphered> | ergonlogic: Also, on something you're more likely to be able to answer, trying to get Aegir-Up working, have just downgraded Vagrant and Virtualbox, but getting the following error with the Aegir-2.x blueprint (from HEAD): ould not find class drush-vagrant::users |
| [15:14:55] | <Deciphered> | Sure. Well maybe I should open a discussion thread, because it does feel like the core backup functionality is very limited, as in you can't really do anything with the backups. |
| [15:15:12] | <ergonlogic> | you'll need the Git version of drush-vagrant (3.x) for that, I believe |
| [15:15:44] | <Deciphered> | Cheers, will try that |
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| [15:16:33] | <ergonlogic> | as for backups, I don't see why we'd treat automated backups any differently than user-triggered ones |
| [15:16:50] | <ergonlogic> | except perhaps for the automatic garbage collection |
| [15:17:33] | <ergonlogic> | user-triggered backups should be excluded from gc, imho |
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| [15:19:30] | <Deciphered> | Well from what I can tell, currently Hostmaster knows nothing about automated backups, which seems odd, I figure if it can create them it should also be able to notify Hostmaster they exist. I'll look into it and see what can be done |
| [15:19:47] | <Deciphered> | Also, there doesn't appear to be any garbage collection on them at the moment. |
| [15:21:36] | <ergonlogic> | I meant in the hosting_backup_queue and hosting_backup_gc modules |
| [15:21:59] | <ergonlogic> | they appear to have been merged into hosting_site_backup_manager |
| [15:22:56] | <ergonlogic> | how do you mean "Hostmaster knows nothing about automated backups" ? |
| [15:23:10] | <Deciphered> | Yup, been looking at that, and yes, they do do cleanup of the automated ones (from what I can tell), but that's the only interaction they do with the automated ones. |
| [15:23:34] | <Deciphered> | Looking at my 'hosting_site_backups' table, it only has an entry for manually created backups |
| [15:24:03] | <Deciphered> | Which means via the default UI or the hosting_site_backup_manager module I can't interact with any of the automated backups at all, which seems wrong |
| [15:25:45] | <ergonlogic> | I agree |
| [15:25:58] | <ergonlogic> | it looks like it needs to call hosting_site_add_backup() |
| [15:26:24] | <ergonlogic> | and then gc would have to call hosting_site_delete_backup() |
| [15:28:56] | <ergonlogic> | Deciphered: I see automated backups using hosting_backup_queue... |
| [15:29:42] | <Deciphered> | ergonlogic: When I say automated backups, I mean backups created everytime you clone/migrate/delete/verify, etc, a site |
| [15:30:21] | <ergonlogic> | oh I see |
| [15:31:03] | <Deciphered> | As in Aegirs core backups system, which is why I think it's quite important, if it's making all these backups but there's no way to interact with them, not even with this contrib module |
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| [15:31:27] | <ergonlogic> | but I see those too |
| [15:31:51] | <ergonlogic> | at least, pre-migration |
| [15:32:30] | <ergonlogic> | we don't take a backup on verify tasks |
| [15:32:37] | <ergonlogic> | we do on disable though |
| [15:33:34] | <Deciphered> | Yeah, just tested that, disable makes a backup, but it's not visible to me in the database. Is it to you? |
| [15:34:05] | <ergonlogic> | nope |
| [15:34:44] | <Deciphered> | Good good. Though odd about the migrate, but maybe I haven't done a migrate on my local sandbox aegir install.... Will test once I get my Aegir-up working. |
| [15:35:16] | <Deciphered> | So do you agree that any backup made automatically via provision should be accessible? |
| [15:36:04] | <ergonlogic> | pre-clone backups are also available |
| [15:36:30] | <ergonlogic> | generally yes |
| [15:38:01] | <ergonlogic> | but it'd be worthwhile to just add it to disable, if that's where it's missing |
| [15:38:37] | <Deciphered> | Yup, I can confirm the pre-clone backup worked and is visible, should give me a path to ensure any other automated backups are going to showup. |
| [15:39:02] | <ergonlogic> | so, which ones had you noticed were missing? |
| [15:39:58] | <Deciphered> | I believe delete is another one, which is probably the most important one. If I where to delete a site by accident it doesn't appear obvious on how to restore that site |
| [15:40:46] | <Deciphered> | The method I've tried with somewhat success is to create a new site with the same name, make a manual backup and then copy the previous automatic backup file over the top of the new manually backed up file, then restore the backup.... not pretty |
| [15:40:57] | <ergonlogic> | I think it'd be nice to have a 'restore' task on deleted sites |
| [15:41:23] | <Deciphered> | There actually is, as long as you haven't deleted the node and manage to track it down, but it doesn't really work so well |
| [15:41:26] | <ergonlogic> | yeah, that's more or less what I do |
| [15:41:43] | <ergonlogic> | it'd essentially be a 'deploy' I guess |
| [15:42:42] | <ergonlogic> | umm, there's no 'restore' task on deleted sites... |
| [15:43:04] | <Deciphered> | I have a few thoughts, one is that yes you should be able to deploy a new site from a backup, which would create a new site from the backup, two would be that backups wouldn't be tied to NIDs, but rather the site name, so if I created a new site with the same name all backups for the old node would become available |
| [15:44:15] | <Deciphered> | Sorry, you're right, but instead if you have the hosting_site_backup_manager module and you visit a deleted site node you can actually run the Restore task on that site.... but it doesn't work |
| [15:45:56] | <ergonlogic> | hmm, well that would appear to be a bug with hosting_site_backup_manager |
| [15:46:11] | <Deciphered> | Ideally I'd want something in Core, but otherwise it should be simple enough to make either a 'Deploy' from backup contrib and/or a 'Recycle-bin' contrib |
| [15:46:22] | <ergonlogic> | moving away from NIDs would mean that you'd lose backups when you rename a site, though |
| [15:46:37] | <Deciphered> | hmm, that's true |
| [15:47:12] | <Deciphered> | I suppose the 'recycle-bin' approach, where you can see a list of 'deleted' sites that are restorable might be the best way to restore an old site... |
| [15:47:40] | <ergonlogic> | I think all of hosting_site_backup_manager should be integrated into core |
| [15:48:01] | <ergonlogic> | with some re-factoring of the UI, though |
| [15:48:10] | <ergonlogic> | I haven't looked at hosting_site_backup_manager, actually |
| [15:48:11] | <Deciphered> | Good, I was sort of hoping for that, it really is important functionality, and alot if it should be reproducable with just views |
| [15:48:28] | <ergonlogic> | but hosting_backup_gc has a terribly confusing UI |
| [15:48:55] | <Deciphered> | My biggest niggle with it, which I'm trying to test a solution for, is that you need to 'Export' a backup before you can 'Download' the backup, which is due to permissions, but it's nasty. |
| [15:49:42] | <ergonlogic> | yeah... |
| [15:50:14] | <Deciphered> | quickly off topic, Aegir-up 99% working, but the drush hosts-add part failing; ERROR: Could not find an IP address. Try specifying one with the "--ip" option, or using a VM alias. Thoughts? |
| [15:50:55] | <ergonlogic> | hmm, check that the alias(es) are being created |
| [15:51:48] | <ergonlogic> | you can run 'drush vals' (iirc) to generate the aliases, if they're missing |
| [15:52:56] | <ergonlogic> | then you can run 'drush @<project>.<site> hosts-add', and it should add the entry in /etc/hosts |
| [15:54:35] | <Deciphered> | Awesome, worked perfectly |
| [15:54:53] | <ergonlogic> | glad to hear it |
| [15:55:02] | <ergonlogic> | I'm calling it a night now though |
| [15:55:29] | <Deciphered> | Cheers, will open an issue to summarise our discussion. Later |
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| [19:18:29] | <Deciphered> | seen helmo*? |
| [19:18:29] | <hefring> | helmo was last seen in #aegir 3 weeks 2 days ago saying 'stieglitz: Sure there is the 'Delete backups' task in the frontend'. |
| [19:18:29] | <hefring> | helmo_laptop was last seen in #aegir 2 months 6 days ago saying 'a_narcat: I'll do that tomorrow, it's almost midnight here.'. |
| [19:18:29] | <hefring> | helmo` was last seen in #aegir 9 months 3 weeks ago saying 'd_arthsteven: I've added you as maintainer for hosting_site_backup_manager....'. |
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| [02:23:52] | <ergonlogic> | feedback welcome |
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| [04:45:57] | <cweagans> | So I just installed Aegir 2.x on CentOS servers (CentOS was not by choice), and I'm trying to get hosting-queued working. I've gotten it running on a Debian box before, but I'm not sure how to do it on Cent. Anybody have any guidance/documentation pages I could look at? There doesn't seem to be much in the way of CentOS documentation on community.aegirproject.org |
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| [05:54:21] | <nulp> | Isn't CentOS similar to RHEL? if so the RHEL section should be helpful |
| [05:54:54] | <nulp> | do you have cron set up? |
| [05:56:59] | <mvc> | hefring: tell cweagans re: centos: http://community.aegirproject.org/installing/manual |
| [05:57:00] | <hefring> | mvc: I'll pass that on when cweagans is around. |
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| [06:19:22] | <hefring> | Git => Merge branch 'dev-1403208-new_roles' into 6.x-2.x => http://drupalcode.org/project/hostmaster.git/commitdiff/233e8abd2a1b66aa... |
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