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| [10:50:58] | <feldmand_> | test |
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| [11:40:19] | <feldmand> | Have just installed Aegir2 "successfully" on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS with "install aegir". The ~/hosting/servers page concerns me, however. There are 2 servers listed: 1) my FQDN (running Apache only), and 2) localhost (running mysql only). Is this a problem? |
| [11:42:08] | <feldmand> | Should not the database and the web server be associated with the FQDN? Will having localhost carrying the DB limit the system at some point? |
| [11:44:09] | <feldmand> | Thanks. |
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| [12:44:11] | <hefring> | community => Amazon RDS issue when creating aegir_root user => http://community.aegirproject.org/discuss/amazon-rds-issue-when-creating... |
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| [12:50:48] | <feldmand> | hefring: To whom is your link directed? |
| [12:50:48] | <hefring> | feldmand: Okay. |
| [12:51:15] | <feldmand> | hefring: I guess me. :) |
| [12:51:43] | <feldmand> | hefring: I issued this command: GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON *.* TO 'aegir_root'@'%' IDENTIFIED BY 'password' WITH GRANT OPTION; |
| [12:53:34] | <feldmand> | hefring: except at this moment I am trying to understand how this command relates to how my server got setup. If I wanted it to be associated with my FQDN whould I have used it instead of '%' which I had taken, perhaps wrongly, to be a wildcard? |
| [12:55:18] | <feldmand> | hefring: if I had issued this command would my DB be associated with my FQDN: # GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON *.* TO 'aegir_root'@'FQDN' IDENTIFIED BY 'password' WITH GRANT OPTION; ? |
| [12:56:57] | <feldmand> | hefring: My main question however is this: Ideally should my DB be with the FQDN for hostmaster or with localhost? |
| [12:56:57] | <hefring> | feldmand: Okay. |
| [12:58:08] | <feldmand> | hefring: Which method is okay? |
| [12:58:08] | <hefring> | feldmand: Okay. |
| [13:04:15] | <feldmand> | hefring: is 'aegir_root'@'FQDN' the best method? |
| [13:05:12] | <feldmand> | hefring: is 'aegir_root'@'%' only good for local development? |
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| [13:31:58] | <benjf> | hefring? |
| [13:32:08] | <benjf> | i think hefring is a bot :) |
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| [13:33:34] | <feldmand> | benjf: the possibility that hefring is a bot exists. However, his initial suggestion was interesting and possibly relevant. |
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| [13:34:53] | <feldmand> | benjf: we could all be bots :) |
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| [14:24:19] | <ergonlogic> | feldmand: yep, hefring's our bot |
| [14:24:36] | <ergonlogic> | and she just passed the Turing test! |
| [14:30:51] | <ergonlogic> | feldmand: as to your question: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/grant.html#grant-accounts-passwords |
| [14:31:47] | <ergonlogic> | yes, '%' is a wildcard |
| [14:32:56] | <feldmand> | ergonlogic: duped by a bot! I have been Turing-ed. Well lots of people in this part of the world respond similarly to questions. :) |
| [14:33:05] | <ergonlogic> | and this grant is required for the aegir user to be able to create new databases for new sites it's provisioning, dump backups, clean up old ones, &c. |
| [14:34:39] | * feldmand now reading about GRANT... |
| [14:36:25] | <feldmand> | ergonlogic: does the wildcard '%' default to localhost? Is this a problem for an aegir installation on a VPS? |
| [14:37:28] | <ergonlogic> | feldmand: I'm pretty sure that % will allow localhost too |
| [14:37:48] | <ergonlogic> | maybe not sockets though? not sure |
| [14:38:16] | <feldmand> | ergonlogic: thank you for the explanation. From my prior experience with Aegir in 2010 I am familiar with the purpose of the grant. |
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| [14:39:26] | <feldmand> | ergonlogic: I was watching a Friently Drupal webscast about Aegir and the view of the Servers page was quite different from mine, and it raised some alarm bells, more potential warnings. |
| [14:39:46] | <ergonlogic> | hmm, link? |
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| [14:41:08] | <feldmand> | ergonlogic: this was one of them, but not exactly the one I am talking about: http://friendlydrupal.com/screencasts/how-install-aegir-drupal-hosting-pl atform-ubuntu |
| [14:41:24] | <feldmand> | ergonlogic: let me search a bit here. |
| [14:42:15] | <ergonlogic> | feldmand: that's barracuda, which is a bit different |
| [14:42:29] | <ergonlogic> | I'd be interested in a screenshot, though |
| [14:43:51] | <feldmand> | ergonlogic: here is the screen cast: http://friendlydrupal.com/screencasts/install-platforms-and-sites-aegir-... |
| [14:44:19] | <feldmand> | ergonlogic: any suggestions where I could post a screenshot for you to view? |
| [14:44:57] | <ergonlogic> | well, you could start a discussion post on the community site... |
| [14:45:07] | <ergonlogic> | but anywhere else will do |
| [14:45:15] | <ergonlogic> | i don't ususally use them |
| [14:45:19] | <ergonlogic> | skitch, maybe |
| [14:45:59] | <feldmand> | ergonlogic: in the screencast, Natalie was installing platforms on a local machine. This may partly explain the difference in the Servers page view. |
| [14:46:17] | <feldmand> | ergonlogic: skitch.com? |
| [14:46:26] | <ergonlogic> | blip.tv isn't working for me :-/ |
| [14:46:54] | <ergonlogic> | no, I guess not |
| [14:47:04] | <feldmand> | ergonlogic: what is the URL for the aegir community site? |
| [14:47:15] | <feldmand> | aegirproject.org |
| [14:47:17] | <feldmand> | ? |
| [14:47:26] | <ergonlogic> | http://community.aegirproject.org |
| [14:48:01] | <feldmand> | ergonlogic: will try that. Others can learn from my confusion. |
| [14:50:14] | <feldmand> | ergonlogic: on the discussion page. Is there a place to register and start a discussion? |
| [14:51:58] | <ergonlogic> | login link, I guess |
| [14:52:06] | <ergonlogic> | upper left corner |
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| [14:52:22] | <ergonlogic> | or http://community.aegirproject.org/user/register |
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| [15:14:51] | * feldmand submits new discussion on community site. Stay tuned. |
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| [15:22:03] | <feldmand> | ergonlogic: Please find the screenshot and discussion here: http://community.aegirproject.org/discuss/post-aegir-installation-hostin... |
| [15:25:20] | <ergonlogic> | feldmand: any chance you can add a screenshot from the video? blip.tv refuses to play for me |
| [15:25:29] | <ergonlogic> | feldmand: but aside frm that, it's normal to have 2 servers |
| [15:25:55] | <ergonlogic> | it simplifies installation |
| [15:26:38] | <ergonlogic> | there's really just the one real server, but Aegir is treating it as two, one running the web server and the other the db server |
| [15:26:46] | <feldmand> | ergonlogic: good to know. :) I will see if I can caputre the view from Friendly Drupal's video and add that as well. |
| [15:26:59] | <ergonlogic> | I don't recall what the reason was |
| [15:27:17] | <ergonlogic> | and I think we could work around it now |
| [15:28:07] | <feldmand> | ergonlogic: I realize that currently that this will not be an issue, but couldn't this possibly be an issue in a multiple server scenario? |
| [15:28:37] | <ergonlogic> | how? |
| [15:29:08] | <hefring> | community => Post Aegir installation - Hosting Servers Page Concerns (2 Servers, not 1) => http://community.aegirproject.org/discuss/post-aegir-installation-hostin... |
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| [15:29:57] | <feldmand> | ergonlogic: Let's say that I wished to migrate the hostmaster itself including DB to a new server. If the DB is currently associated with the localhost and not the FQDN might I lose the DB during the migration? |
| [15:30:39] | <ergonlogic> | you can't migrate the hostmaster site across servers |
| [15:30:44] | <ergonlogic> | at least not yet |
| [15:30:46] | <feldmand> | There is hefring again. :) She is very attentive. |
| [15:31:08] | <ergonlogic> | remote servers don't normally have provision installed |
| [15:31:15] | <ergonlogic> | again, yet |
| [15:31:34] | <ergonlogic> | also, the hostmaster site is barred from any such operations in the front-end |
| [15:32:04] | <feldmand> | :) So if Aegir can manage sites on other servers, where do the DB for the other servers reside? |
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| [15:33:24] | <ergonlogic> | either on other mysql servers, or you open your local mysql server to remote connections |
| [15:34:57] | <feldmand> | ergonlogic: I thought about opening the local mysql server to remote connections, but that seems somehow inefficient if the servers are separated on opposite end of the earth. |
| [15:35:29] | <ergonlogic> | right |
| [15:35:48] | <feldmand> | ergonlogic: I suppose other mysql servers seems like a better solution, but I cannot imagine the architecture just yet. Still a newbie. |
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| [15:37:00] | <feldmand> | ergonlogic: In the 'other mysql servers" scenario, the 'master' Aegir database would hold all backups for all servers globally? |
| [15:37:25] | <ergonlogic> | Well, while Aegir supports remote servers, the general use-case is for a cluster of local servers |
| [15:38:00] | <ergonlogic> | otherwise there are a number of performance issues, but mostly with sync'ing files around |
| [15:38:03] | <feldmand> | ergonlogic: good to know. Nice to know the inherent limitations of a system. |
| [15:39:03] | <ergonlogic> | you can have remote servers, but you'll generally want the db server that'll be serving those sites to be fairly proximate |
| [15:39:47] | <ergonlogic> | but it's currently a hub & spoke network model, so everything happens locally, and then gets sync'ed back and forth |
| [15:40:25] | <ergonlogic> | backups aren't just a db dump, they also tar up the site's directory |
| [15:40:35] | <feldmand> | ergonlogic: Proximate to the db server, whether the hostmaster DB or other DB's, right? |
| [15:41:22] | <ergonlogic> | well, this isn't a limitation of Aegir's, mind you |
| [15:41:28] | <ergonlogic> | it's just network latency |
| [15:41:58] | <feldmand> | ergonlogic: Naturally. :) a geographic latency. |
| [15:42:09] | <ergonlogic> | right |
| [15:42:48] | <ergonlogic> | the plan is to make the remote servers smarter though |
| [15:43:06] | <feldmand> | ergonlogic: Interesting. |
| [15:44:22] | <ergonlogic> | there's an issue about it, iirc |
| [15:44:40] | <feldmand> | ergonlogic: iirc? |
| [15:44:49] | <ergonlogic> | if I recall correctly |
| [15:50:09] | <feldmand> | ergonlogic: I have added the screenshot from Friendly Drupal to my disccusion post: http://community.aegirproject.org/discuss/post-aegir-installation-hostin... |
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| [01:49:27] | <Juc> | hey all newbie question please - I think that clone and migrate tasks will fail (ie spin forever) if the php memory limit in php.ini is too low and perhaps the bigger the site being cloned / migrated the bigger the php memory limit is required... |
| [01:50:06] | <Juc> | Have I got that right - if so what kind of php memory limit do you guys use? |
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| [01:52:34] | <ergonlogic> | Juc: I believe we recommend 128M, but some distributions may require more |
| [01:53:26] | <ergonlogic> | Juc: tasks getting stuck in the 'processing' state is can be caused by a number of things |
| [01:53:46] | <ergonlogic> | in Aegir 2, we've addressed many of them |
| [01:54:07] | <ergonlogic> | and we also provide a button to update the task status |
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| [02:14:34] | <Juc> | ergonlogic: thanks - some clone tasks fail (spin forever) for me at 128M - also it seems to me that BOA requires even more php memory than just Aegir ie a clone task that succeeds on Aegir at 128M will fail (spin forever) on BOA and only succeed on BOA when I raise the memory limit - does that make any sense? |
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| [02:31:58] | <Juc> | ergonlogic: sorry for dumb question but how / where can I check what version of Aegir is running? |
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| [02:46:35] | <ergonlogic> | Juc: I don't use BOA, so I can't really comment |
| [02:46:56] | <ergonlogic> | usually, it should say the version on the modules page |
| [02:47:10] | <ergonlogic> | Check the Hosting modules |
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| [02:54:18] | <Juc> | ergonlogic: do you mean /admin/build/modules? I can see versions for the regular Drupal modules but under Hosting the version column is blank |
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| [02:55:02] | <ergonlogic> | Juc: then you're most likely running off code from the Git repository |
| [02:57:16] | <ergonlogic> | if you can find the hostmaster or provision repos, this should tell you what tag you're on: git log -n 1 --decorate --pretty=oneline |
| [02:57:57] | <ergonlogic> | hostmaster is usually at /var/aegir/hostmaster-6.x-<version_tag> |
| [02:58:04] | <anarcat> | it describe is easier |
| [02:58:08] | <anarcat> | git describe |
| [02:58:18] | <ergonlogic> | ok, thanks :) |
| [02:58:54] | <ergonlogic> | Juc: Provision is usually at /var/aegir/.drush/provision, but again, I'm not sure about BOA |
| [02:59:14] | <ergonlogic> | anarcat: gearing up for your vacation? |
| [02:59:26] | <anarcat> | ergonlogic: wrapping up, yeah |
| [02:59:40] | <anarcat> | i need to tend my laundry, luggage and various koumbit checklists :) |
| [02:59:52] | <ergonlogic> | anarcat: I'm re-factoring puppet-aegir and puppet-drush to support aegir2 |
| [03:00:01] | <ergonlogic> | and general clean-up |
| [03:00:32] | <ergonlogic> | parametrized classes, etc. |
| [03:00:49] | <anarcat> | good good |
| [03:01:45] | <ergonlogic> | anarcat: I upgraded the Praxis Aegir to 1.10+... without any problem, and hope to be at 2.0-rc2 by later this afternoon |
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| [03:13:10] | <Juc> | ergonlogic: ok thanks looking at /home/www/aegir my hostmaster is 1.9 - anyway can I just ask a quick thing - you said before re the memory limit that you recommend 128M but some tasks require more - so if some tasks require more why not just recommend more like 256M or is there some reason to keep the php memory limit as low as possible? |
| [03:14:59] | <ergonlogic> | Juc: it's not some tasks, but rather some Drupal distributions or platforms with lots of modules, custom features, etc. that can require higher memory |
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| [03:23:52] | <Juc> | ergonlogic: ok thanks but you mean that more MB in a distribution / website requires more PHP memory to clone / migrate that distribution / website? |
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| [03:26:34] | <ergonlogic> | Juc: possibly, as Aegir will scan all the modules/themes, take a db dump, run update.php, &c. |
| [03:28:15] | <Juc> | ergonlogic: ok so anyway so if some clone / migrate tasks require more than 128M PHP memory why not just recommend more like 256M or is there some reason to keep the php memory limit as low as possible? |
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| [03:43:44] | <ergonlogic> | I run at 128M and haven't run into such problems. |
| [03:44:08] | <ergonlogic> | Juc: it's quite possible that the problem you're having isn't due to hitting a php limit |
| [03:44:46] | <ergonlogic> | In my experience, most of the time that we get a stuck task, it's due to mysql becoming un-responsive |
| [03:45:51] | <ergonlogic> | which we've fixed in Aegir2 |
| [03:46:38] | <ergonlogic> | Juc: if you're just starting out with Aegir, you should really consider Aegir2, which is at rc2 |
| [03:47:57] | <ergonlogic> | We'll probably release 2.0 officially when anarcat gets back from vacation in September |
| [03:48:23] | <ergonlogic> | But so far, Aegir 2.0's betas and RCs have been very stable |
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| [04:01:48] | <Juc> | ergonlogic: ok thanks will try Aegir 2 but anyway if I clone / migrate a website does it require more PHP memory to copy the files and so is it better to clone / migrate without the files and then upload files when clone / migrate is finished? |
| [04:03:24] | <ergonlogic> | It's actually the gzip that I've found ties up i/o, which in turn can crash mysql |
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| [04:04:06] | <ergonlogic> | if you have lots of big files, then you might want to consider moving your files/ out of the site, and symlinking from there back to the site dir |
| [04:04:27] | <ergonlogic> | that way your files won't get tarred-up in the backup |
| [04:05:02] | <ergonlogic> | but remember if you do that, that your files aren't in any further backups of that site |
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| [04:05:33] | <ergonlogic> | and if you clone the site, the files are shared across the two sites, unless you fix that yourself |
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| [04:14:56] | <Juc> | ergonlogic: ok thanks so you mean if I clone example.com to example2.com the files in /myplatform/sites/example.com/files don't get copied to /myplatform/sites/example2.com/files ? |
| [04:16:31] | <ergonlogic> | Juc: for a clone, a backup is taken of the site, and then that backup is deployed |
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| [04:17:04] | <ergonlogic> | files aren't copied directly, but bundled into a tarball along with a db dump, the modules, themes, etc. |
| [04:17:45] | <ergonlogic> | a migrate works exactly the same way, but once update.php runs successfully on the new site, the old one is deleted |
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| [04:50:23] | <Juc> | ergonlogic: ok thank you :) |
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