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| [13:34:45] | <omega8cc> | hefring: tell ergonlogic: does latest provision_civicrm 2.x depend on Drush 5 like Aegir 2.x or is it expected to still work also with Drush 4 (and Aegir 2.x -- just before it switched to Drush 5)? |
| [13:34:45] | <hefring> | omega8cc: I'll pass that on when ergonlogic is around. |
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| [14:59:24] | <feldmand> | ergonlogic: I upgraded aegir to version 2.0~rc4 and I am still not able to clone sites. Could I be missing something? I wonder if the patch took. When I ran the install command the second time, after modifying the makefile, it did not reinstall. Could this be the issue? |
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| [20:41:32] | <layke__> | Haven't used Aegir in about 2 years. Is there a D7 frontend/backend for Aegir these days? |
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| [21:06:28] | <anarcat> | layke__: backend supports installing d7 fine, frontend is being ported to d7 in the 3.x branch |
| [21:15:12] | <layke__> | Okay thanks. Is 3.x stable at all to install for new projects now? |
| [21:22:57] | <Egyptian[Laptop]> | layke__: 2.x is dev branch |
| [21:23:01] | <Egyptian[Laptop]> | 3.x is ... |
| [21:23:09] | <Egyptian[Laptop]> | git branch |
| [21:27:56] | <layke__> | Is it on github? Or is there another git server for aegir? Can't find the repo. |
| [21:28:09] | <layke__> | Did try searching on github.. |
| [21:29:20] | <anarcat> | we're not on github, we're on drupal.org/project/hosting (for the frontend) |
| [21:29:26] | <anarcat> | see aegirproject.org for other directions |
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| [22:15:46] | <ergonlogic> | feldmand: In all likelihood, your sites' drushrc.php's contain the incorrect credentials for the site |
| [22:15:46] | <hefring> | ergonlogic: 8 hours 41 min ago <omega8cc> tell ergonlogic: does latest provision_civicrm 2.x depend on Drush 5 like Aegir 2.x or is it expected to still work also with Drush 4 (and Aegir 2.x -- just before it switched to Drush 5)? |
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| [22:22:03] | <ergonlogic> | hefring: tell omega8 It depends on a pretty recent Aegir 2 and thus Drush 5. It may end up depending on Drush 6, if I need hook_drush_invoke_alter(). |
| [22:22:03] | <hefring> | ergonlogic: I'll pass that on when omega8 is around. |
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| [23:14:40] | <feldmand> | ergonlogic: thanks for the response. Should I be looking at the drushrc.php file for the site which I wish to clone? The file is filled with credentials. Is there an automatic way to confirm the accuracy of the credentials? Or are there some credentials in particular which I should confirm? |
| [23:16:14] | <ergonlogic> | feldmand: assuming the site itself is working, then the proper credentials are in the vhost |
| [23:16:44] | <ergonlogic> | /var/aegir/config/server_master/apache/vhost.d/<site_name> |
| [23:17:23] | <ergonlogic> | check that the db name and password match in the site's drushrc.php, and update there is needed |
| [23:18:16] | <ergonlogic> | If the site is responding, but "drush @site_name status" fails, this should be a dead giveaway |
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| [23:21:37] | <feldmand> | ergonlogic: the site is responding AND "drush @site_name status" succeeds. |
| [23:22:21] | <ergonlogic> | if this site was previsouly cloned "drush @site_name status" might be pointing to another site |
| [23:23:19] | <feldmand> | ergonlogic: I did notice that I was surprised by the database name and database username. I may have tried to upgrade Aegir manually using the aegir username for the database. Maybe this has something to do with it. |
| [23:23:30] | <ergonlogic> | you should double check that the vhost and drushrc.php credentials match |
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| [23:30:55] | <feldmand> | ergonlogic: the vhost credentials use a db name and db username based on the name of the site, while the drushrc.php uses a db name and db user which I gave the system sometime earlier during the setup. |
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| [23:32:23] | <ergonlogic> | backup your drushrc and use the ones from the vhost |
| [23:34:31] | <feldmand> | ergonlogic: it appears that drushrc.php files use the db name and db username based on the names of the sites which I cloned from the site in question. Is this correct? |
| [23:35:12] | <ergonlogic> | That's how Aegir sets them, yes |
| [23:36:08] | <feldmand> | ergonlogic: "use the ones from the vhost" --> Do you mean use the db name and db username from vhost in edited versions of the drushrc.php's for each of the sites? |
| [23:38:11] | <ergonlogic> | yes |
| [23:39:28] | <feldmand> | ergonlogic: could this have also been my problem prior to upgrading to rc4? |
| [23:40:21] | <feldmand> | ergonlogic: Should this be corrected automatically during upgrades? Did I do something wrong during the upgrade process? |
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| [23:46:35] | <ergonlogic> | In RC2 there was a bug that wrote the wrong credentials in site's drushrc.php files |
| [23:47:06] | <ergonlogic> | once you've fixed a site's drushrc.php, it should stay fixed |
| [23:47:51] | <feldmand> | ergonlogic: thank you for the explanation. I understand now. |
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| [01:04:36] | <spyd> | if i need to hook a site on an aegir platform up to an external database (d7), can i still just edit the $databases() array of arrays in settings.php? |
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| [01:08:39] | <adrinux> | spyd aegir supports separate database servers. no idea whether editing databases array would get carried over to front end. |
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| [01:10:58] | <spyd> | adrinux: seems to work- my custom migrate module to pull in old d6 content for this site is no longer throwing errors about connecting to the legacy db ;) |
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| [01:12:26] | <joestewart> | spyd: if you put the settings in local.settings.php it will survive an aegir verify. |
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| [01:27:04] | <spyd> | joestewart: hot! thanks for that :) |
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| [02:26:46] | <omega8cc> | messages? |
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| [02:29:18] | <ergonlogic> | omega8cc: hi, I got your handle wrong for hefring earlier |
| [02:29:20] | <ergonlogic> | omega8cc: It depends on a pretty recent Aegir 2 and thus Drush 5. It may end up depending on Drush 6, if I need hook_drush_invoke_alter(). |
| [02:29:35] | <ergonlogic> | that was the message I'd tried to leave you |
| [02:29:56] | <omega8cc> | ergonlogic: ah, thanks! |
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| [02:32:12] | <omega8cc> | ergonlogic: I was curious because I have tried it on BOA and it didn't enable civicrm and displayed CiviCRM version: 4.1.6 on a 4.3.7 platform, we are going to switch to Drush 5 or 6 on BOA anyway, so it should allow us to use latest extension - thanks for your work on this! |
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| [02:34:14] | <ergonlogic> | omega8cc: yeah, it uses the new hosting_features registry, so it can be turned off from the front-end |
| [02:34:23] | <ergonlogic> | and requires hosting_civicrm now |
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| [02:35:25] | <ergonlogic> | but I think we need to work some kinks out of that registry |
| [02:36:48] | <ergonlogic> | like, I think we need to be able to differentiate between something being 'off' in the front-end vs. 'absent' |
| [02:37:59] | <ergonlogic> | only 'off' should stop the loading of commandfiles, otherwise our back-end has a dependency on the front-end |
| [02:38:23] | <omega8cc> | ergonlogic: I know, I have added hosting_civicrm (sounds like we should drop hosting_civicrm_cron since it is now integrated) |
| [02:38:33] | <ergonlogic> | yep |
| [02:38:34] | <omega8cc> | and hosting_civicrm works on BOA |
| [02:38:47] | <omega8cc> | at least, no errors |
| [02:38:56] | <ergonlogic> | yeah, it's pretty self-contained |
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| [02:39:11] | <ergonlogic> | it just ties into the hosting queue api mostly |
| [02:39:18] | <ergonlogic> | and packages a bit |
| [02:39:25] | <omega8cc> | but I guess it silently fails to trigger provision_civicrm |
| [02:39:40] | <omega8cc> | because we are on Aegir 2.x pre-drush5 |
| [02:41:05] | <omega8cc> | ergonlogic: anyway, we have finally dropped Drupal 5 support and can move to Aegir 2.x bleeding edge again |
| [02:41:07] | <ergonlogic> | right, there's a .drush.load.inc that'll block it |
| [02:41:18] | <omega8cc> | ah |
| [02:41:18] | <ergonlogic> | great! |
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| [02:42:30] | <ergonlogic> | https://drupal.org/node/2102341, btw |
| [02:42:31] | <hefring> | https://drupal.org/node/2102341 => Differentiate between a feature being disabled vs absent [#2102341] => Hostmaster (Aegir), API, normal, active, 0 comments, 1 IRC mention |
| [02:43:13] | <omega8cc> | yep, BOA feels a bit dated in contrast to recent Aegir 2.x improvements and fixes, time to move ahead |
| [02:43:45] | <ergonlogic> | hopefully it'll mean easier porting of some of your other improvements :) |
| [02:44:13] | <ergonlogic> | unfork++ :) |
| [02:44:51] | <omega8cc> | yep, absolutely! |
| [02:45:26] | <omega8cc> | right, 2102341 makes perfect sense |
| [02:49:08] | <omega8cc> | ergonlogic: we have used Aegir 2.x for years ( I think), while all energy was still in 1.x but with recent full dev force in the 2.x upstream, our "fork" becomes a legacy we need to get rid of |
| [02:50:04] | <omega8cc> | at least, some of our previous work on D8 support was useful, after all |
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| [03:24:33] | <nicholasalipaz> | How can I make changes to nginx_simple_include.conf without the changes being overwritten when a reverify the server? |
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| [03:34:21] | <nicholasalipaz> | well, looks like provision is what is overwriting them in verify_server_cmd() |
| [03:35:00] | <nicholasalipaz> | If I change the file directly in provision it would then essentially change the template that is used to create a new file |
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| [03:52:42] | <nicholasalipaz> | However, I really don't feel good about changing files directly in provision |
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| [03:53:31] | <nicholasalipaz> | But I guess it is the only way from what I see |
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| [04:09:53] | <omega8cc> | nicholasalipaz: you can add overrides or custom config -- check https://drupal.org/node/1508500#comment-5802662 -- the extra config takes precedence over standard include |
| [04:09:53] | <hefring> | https://drupal.org/node/1508500 => Block access to dev sites by IP [#1508500] => Octopus, Documentation, normal, closed (works as designed), 2 comments, 1 IRC mention |
| [04:11:40] | <omega8cc> | nicholasalipaz: also: https://drupal.org/node/1964020#comment-7269720 |
| [04:11:41] | <hefring> | https://drupal.org/node/1964020 => Best practice for custom Nginx conf [#1964020] => Barracuda, Nginx Server, normal, closed (fixed), 6 comments, 1 IRC mention |
| [04:16:52] | <nicholasalipaz> | omega8cc: so if I am reading that right, I should hook into the the vhost config that get's dropped into the bottom of the nginx_simple_include.conf and add overrides for the nginx_simple_include rules rather than more vhost entries? |
| [04:18:21] | <nicholasalipaz> | I guess the naming of the provision_nginx_vhost_config is a little misleading in a way since you can do more than add vhost changes? |
| [04:19:24] | <omega8cc> | this method *injects* extra config in the vhost, just *above* standard config include, so when done properly, it allows you to either override or add your custom locations in the vhost otherwise created by Aegir, note that it can't be used for any higher level overrides (like outside of vhost) |
| [04:20:06] | <nicholasalipaz> | Now I see. |
| [04:21:09] | <omega8cc> | so basically you are adding extra config inside the site's server {} block |
| [04:21:15] | <nicholasalipaz> | omega8cc: so it is altering the generated config files under /var/aegir/config/server_master/nginx/vhost.d/? |
| [04:21:22] | <omega8cc> | no |
| [04:21:43] | <omega8cc> | it is extra config which is added/include first |
| [04:22:05] | <omega8cc> | it doesn't overwrite default incldes |
| [04:22:23] | <omega8cc> | oh, right |
| [04:22:31] | <omega8cc> | it does alter the vhost |
| [04:22:41] | <omega8cc> | for any site which matches the regex |
| [04:23:00] | <nicholasalipaz> | okay, that is what I thought, adding in entries just below: # Extra configuration from modules: |
| [04:23:05] | <nicholasalipaz> | in those vhost files |
| [04:23:11] | <omega8cc> | right |
| [04:23:14] | <nicholasalipaz> | That may work. |
| [04:23:20] | <nicholasalipaz> | I will give it a try |
| [04:23:23] | <nicholasalipaz> | thanks for the help |
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| [04:23:31] | <omega8cc> | np |
| [04:23:39] | <nicholasalipaz> | omega8cc++ |
| [04:23:47] | <omega8cc> | thanks! |
| [04:24:27] | <nicholasalipaz> | hmm |
| [04:25:11] | <nicholasalipaz> | one other issue however. If I am attempting to change the rule for a location, I assume that won't work, or will it? |
| [04:25:46] | <nicholasalipaz> | wouldn't the rule in nginx_simple_include.conf take precedence omega8cc? |
| [04:28:06] | <omega8cc> | you can't add duplicate locations, so it gets a bit tricky when you want to override something, basically, you need to either use two level locations to stop request from hitting next locations, or make it more specific with wildcard regex, so they will take precedence, see some examples: http://drupalcode.org/project/barracuda.git/blob/HEAD:/docs/HINTS.txt#l40 |
| [04:29:54] | <nicholasalipaz> | thanks, that should give me enough to figure something out without hacking the conf file in provision |
| [04:29:55] | <nicholasalipaz> | thanks |
| [04:30:16] | <nicholasalipaz> | I really appreciate it! |
| [04:31:16] | <omega8cc> | np |
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| [06:20:56] | <Ogredude> | Aegir saves the day again... "OK, I built that functionality on this other site, I can't remember how I did it..." **CLONE** and now I can poke around in there and see what I did |
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| [06:32:01] | <obicke> | hey folks! I've already forgotten… was does Aegir require on the destination platform to be able to migrate sites besides the db and web server creds? |
| [06:32:14] | <obicke> | e.g. does it need root on those? |
| [06:32:40] | <obicke> | It doesn't need another instance of Aegir, right? |
| [06:33:19] | <mvc> | it currently does |
| [06:33:26] | <obicke> | oh… :-( |
| [06:33:48] | <mvc> | but there's functions for just exporting a copy of the site |
| [06:34:03] | <obicke> | mvc: so needs root and aegir? |
| [06:34:04] | <mvc> | and code could always be written to push to other APIs |
| [06:34:05] | <obicke> | right |
| [06:34:20] | <mvc> | well, you need root to install aegir |
| [06:34:26] | <obicke> | right |
| [06:34:39] | <mvc> | but after that it runs using the aegir & www-data users |
| [06:34:39] | <obicke> | ok thanks for the prompt answer! |
| [06:34:47] | <obicke> | ack |
| [06:34:58] | <mvc> | with ability to do sudo apachectl graceful and the root db password |
| [06:35:21] | <obicke> | right… good to know also… thanks. |
| [06:35:48] | <obicke> | know -> be reminded of |
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| [06:37:31] | <obicke> | I've come to realize how unclear I was about the idea of an Aegir->Acquia hosting plugin…. there are lots of possibilities… from the simple to the complex…. and from the "win-win" to the "win-meh" |
| [06:38:17] | * obicke is only interested in win-win… and will continue to believe that there is room for that. |
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| [06:45:05] | <mvc> | in generally i think the existence of plugins that export from aegir to proprietary hosting platforms will mostly be determined by the willingness of those platforms' owners to pay for that code to be written |
| [06:45:51] | <mvc> | but sure, i could imagine a use case for people who want to use aegir on a local dev instance and then push to acquia for prod hosting |
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| [07:02:34] | <obicke> | mvc: agree on all points |
| [07:03:15] | <obicke> | and am particularly interested in identifying "win-win" scenarios like the latter idea you mentioned... |
| [07:04:01] | <obicke> | The typical pitch I used to give when selling Aegir's capabilities included suggesting that a site owner could temporarily "scale" their sites to more robust hosts by simply migrating from shared-hosting to dedicated servers (Acquia?) and back via Aegir. |
| [07:04:16] | <obicke> | so that's the other one I'd consider "win-win" |
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| [07:07:34] | <ergonlogic> | obicke: hi :) in both those use-cases the site has to be able to move both ways |
| [07:08:49] | <obicke> | yep… so I guess I need to figure out what that implies. |
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| [07:12:22] | <obicke> | back, but not for long… |
| [07:15:03] | <obicke> | anyway, I just wrote an internal message stating that I had come to realise how half-backed even the initial idea was, that I was seeking feedback w.r.t. "win-win" scenarios and that I'd think on it a bit more. |
| [07:16:18] | <obicke> | to be clear, I was "seeking feedback" *from them*… but clearly, I'm also seeking it *from you (all)* |
| [07:17:04] | <obicke> | so feel free to ping me to chat about this if you have a cool idea |
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