IRC logs for #aegir, 2013-11-05 (GMT)

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[16:21:20]<AlfTheCat>anyone here? I'm running into problems installing Aegir 1.x and I've been at it for a week now. I've not seen these issues before.
[16:24:48]<AlfTheCat>It all seems to be drush related but I'm not sure. Automatic install fails due to dependency problems. But Drush 4.5 is installed. I added the backport repositories and I added the keyring too (it has expired) and threw errors
[16:25:16]<AlfTheCat>I pinned drush but when I try to issue the install command it still tries to download 5.x
[16:26:48]<AlfTheCat>So I averted to the manual install. That fails at the actual instal of provision. It fails with errors stating "Unable to determine project type" and then listing several contrib modules
[16:26:56]<AlfTheCat>It is abe to clone drupal
[16:28:23]<AlfTheCat>I've noticed mentioning of this in the issue queue, but that refers to Unable to determine project type for Drupal. And that one is going fine, I'm getting this error for the contrib modules in the hostmaster platform
[16:29:13]<AlfTheCat>So maybe there is still something wrong with my Drush install, as it has been figting me all the way. But I can't find any errors anymore and drush version tells me 4.5
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[16:29:19]<AlfTheCat>which should be fine
[16:31:52]<AlfTheCat>the only other issue I have is that when I log in as Aegir, I cant restart apache. But I have this issue on all my aegir installs, that are also all running on Debian 6, and although its inconvenient, it's not something that makes installs fail
[16:32:18]<AlfTheCat>I've reported that issue a long time ago btw, there's no solution for it
[16:32:39]<AlfTheCat>My other aegir installs are version 1.9
[16:32:58]<AlfTheCat>Maybe i should try that version instead of the latest one...
[16:33:00]<AlfTheCat>?
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[16:55:08]<AlfTheCat>nope. Trying 1.9 gives me the same error
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[17:04:52]<AlfTheCat>Fatal error: Call to a member function make() on a non-object in
[17:04:52]<AlfTheCat>/var/aegir/.drush/drush_make/drush_make.drush.inc on line 233
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[17:05:09]<AlfTheCat>is the final error.
[17:06:02]<AlfTheCat>On and around line 233 is the following code if (isset($projects['contrib'])) {
[17:06:02]<AlfTheCat> foreach ($projects['contrib'] as $project) {
[17:06:03]<AlfTheCat> $project->make();
[17:06:03]<AlfTheCat> }
[17:06:03]<AlfTheCat> }
[17:06:03]<AlfTheCat> return TRUE;
[17:06:36]<AlfTheCat>which seems consistent with the initial error "Unable to determine project type for admin_menu. "
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[17:07:38]<AlfTheCat>Could it be that the hostmaster makefiles are broken after the Drupal.org migration?
[17:08:18]<AlfTheCat>I'm completely lost I don't think I'm doing anything wrong, I think something is really broken
[17:08:24]<HyperGlide>any BOA users here able to offer some assistance on the upgrade to BOA-2.1.0
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[17:11:29]<Zanix>AlfTheCat: i think the D.O upgrade to D7 has broken drush make
[17:11:40]<Zanix>which therefore breaks the initial aegir install
[17:11:41]<AlfTheCat>yeah, right?
[17:11:50]<Zanix>since it relies on drush make
[17:12:07]<AlfTheCat>exacty. I really don't see any other answer to this.
[17:12:15]<Zanix>me either
[17:12:24]<AlfTheCat>So what now.... lol
[17:12:35]<Zanix>wait for D.O to fix their crap
[17:12:56]<Zanix>I thought I had the issue queue bookmarked but I can't find it now
[17:12:57]<AlfTheCat>Yeah. Yesterday I saw it was down for a while, crashed.
[17:13:09]<AlfTheCat>I will look for it
[17:20:37]<AlfTheCat>I think its this https://drupal.org/node/2126123
[17:20:38]<hefring>https://drupal.org/node/2126123 => Drupal core release history making drush pm-download fail [#2126123] => Drupal.org webmasters</td><td>» Drupal.org D7 upgrade QA, Other</td><td>» Code, Normal</td><td>» Critical, Active</td><td>» Fixed, 22 comments, 1 IRC mention
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[17:21:13]<AlfTheCat>although it refers to the download of Drupal core, which is the only thing that does work. The issues I'm seeing are related to contrib
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[17:24:40]<AlfTheCat>interestingly enough, the issue was marked as fixed a few hours ago. So there is short term hope, it will take a few hours for the fix to propagate accross all contrib
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[17:28:31]<AlfTheCat>It should actually work now, as of about half an hour ago... I'll give it some more time and then try again
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[23:53:47]<ergonlogic>AlfTheCat: so is drush make working for you now?
[23:57:29]<AlfTheCat>hi ergonlogic, no its not
[23:58:14]<AlfTheCat>some projects now seem to be downloading. Another patch was deployed in the aforementioned issue. It was deployed 1,5 hours ago so I'm guessing that it may take 2,5 hours more
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[00:00:16]* Fuzzy76 tries now
[00:00:28]<AlfTheCat>Interestingly, in the issue there is the suggestion to kill the old "taxononimization"/ xml structure. Which would break compatibility with drush <5.x, which would mean it would break aegir 1.x
[00:00:31]<Fuzzy76>wohoo, core downloaded ok at least
[00:00:43]<Fuzzy76>I just noted that :)
[00:00:51]<AlfTheCat>:)
[00:01:00]<AlfTheCat>oh yeah haha. Hi fuzzy
[00:01:01]<Fuzzy76>otoh, aegir runs on d6 which itself is being deprecated soon
[00:01:10]<AlfTheCat>true
[00:01:45]<Fuzzy76>aegir really needs to get a d7-based drush 5 compatible release out :-/
[00:02:04]<AlfTheCat>yeah, what is 2.x buit on? D6 also?
[00:02:08]<AlfTheCat>built
[00:02:37]<ergonlogic>Aegir 2 runs on Drush 5 or 6
[00:03:01]<AlfTheCat>but still on D6 core right?
[00:03:06]<ergonlogic>We have a pre-alpha version of Aegir3 running on Drupal 7 at this point
[00:03:10]<ergonlogic>yes
[00:03:15]<AlfTheCat>awesome!
[00:03:36]<ergonlogic>we plan on releasing a first alpha of Aegir3 alongside the final Aegir 2.0
[00:03:51]<AlfTheCat>I still love d6 though. it will be missed.
[00:03:55]<Fuzzy76>ergonlogic: Too bad 1.x still is the recommended version...
[00:03:55]<AlfTheCat>very interesting
[00:03:55]<ergonlogic>it'll be mostly a straight port
[00:04:14]<ergonlogic>we're working out some edge-cases on the upgrade path
[00:04:21]<ergonlogic>Aegir 2 is very stable
[00:04:36]<ergonlogic>and we're running it on all our production servers
[00:05:02]<AlfTheCat>the only reason I'm not testing the 2.x version yet is because of the boost provision extention. I need it and is incompatible with 2.x with no word from Koumbit on the issue yet
[00:05:04]* Fuzzy76 has installed via debian repositories, so he will probably upgrade when they do
[00:05:36]<ergonlogic>Aegir2 packages are already in the stable debian repo
[00:05:45]<AlfTheCat>Would there be any issues migrating sites from a 1.x version to the 2.x version?
[00:05:50]<ergonlogic>they're named aegir2, aegir2-provision, etc.
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[00:05:58]<Fuzzy76>oooh
[00:06:04]<AlfTheCat>yeah i noticed that
[00:06:14]<ergonlogic>AlfTheCat: I don't understand
[00:06:22]<ergonlogic>AlfTheCat: eith remote_import, you mean?
[00:06:28]<ergonlogic>s/eith/with
[00:07:23]<AlfTheCat>yeah or any method for that matter. I'm currently migrating to a different server and I was thinking that the most fail safe method was to move them from 1.x to 1.x. But maybe it doesnt matter?
[00:07:45]<AlfTheCat>I will rebuild the platforms equally, and import the sites though the backup files
[00:08:29]<ergonlogic>AlfTheCat: so then I'd recommend going to Aegir2
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[00:08:48]<ergonlogic>there's a 2.x branch of remote_import that works nicely
[00:08:59]<ergonlogic>and simplifies migrating sites
[00:09:05]<AlfTheCat>oh thats cool.
[00:09:11]<ergonlogic>it essentially just automates deployment via backups
[00:09:54]<AlfTheCat>then it's just hoping for the provision_boost extention to become compatible, but in the meantime I guess I can work around it :)
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[00:11:39]<AlfTheCat>I guess when Drupal 6 gets deprecated, being on aegir2 will be a lot easier to migrate sites to aegir 3
[00:11:45]<AlfTheCat>thanks for the tip
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[00:12:08]<ergonlogic>I'm not certain that we plan on using boost internally anymore
[00:12:15]<ergonlogic>AlfTheCat: but check out https://drupal.org/node/2118021#comment-8145641
[00:12:16]<hefring>https://drupal.org/node/2118021 => breaks with Drush 5.x / aegir 2.x [#2118021] => 0 comments, 2 IRC mentions
[00:13:41]<ergonlogic>in-place upgrades should work for all but the most obscure edge-cases, too
[00:13:50]<AlfTheCat>Okay so that would be a fairly easy fix
[00:13:57]<ergonlogic>it should be
[00:14:03]<ergonlogic>feel free to submit a patch
[00:14:15]<AlfTheCat>cool, yeah I will have a go at it :)
[00:14:22]<ergonlogic>I don't have write-access to that repo, or I would have started a 2.x branch
[00:15:43]<AlfTheCat>understood, it would indeed require a new branche
[00:16:00]<ergonlogic>but I'd recommend looking for alternatives
[00:16:11]<ergonlogic>since boost itself appears to be minimally maintained
[00:17:51]<AlfTheCat>yeah, I never was a fan of the 6.x branche of boost, but the 7..x is working so nicely for me. And it's plug and play, I basically have no other performance tools than that one on most of my sites. Easy to troubleshoot therefore also. The cache warmer deamon is also working well in 7.x. I was really happy with it
[00:18:14]<ergonlogic>we're moving mostly towards Varnish
[00:18:41]<ergonlogic>but you may want to ask anarcat, since I'm not really the systems guy
[00:18:48]<AlfTheCat>yeah, that off course is ideal.
[00:18:52]<AlfTheCat>ok :)
[00:19:18]<ergonlogic>there's an aegir-varnish extension that works pretty nicely
[00:19:38]<ergonlogic>no cache-warming that I'm aware of, but it'd be a nice addition
[00:20:03]<ergonlogic>very nice ability to selectively expire cached pages though
[00:20:10]<AlfTheCat>does varnish require cache warming?
[00:20:30]<ergonlogic>only if you clear the whole cache, I guess
[00:20:44]<ergonlogic>which usually isn't necessary
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[00:22:38]<AlfTheCat>yeah exactly. and then there is a drush extention that comes to mind, i can't recall it by heart, that can re-cache a whole site from the cli
[00:24:36]<AlfTheCat>anyway, I will be AFK for a while. Will be back to re-try my Aegir deployment :) With version 2 this time
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[00:32:56]<Fuzzy76>drush make ran fine for me. both with core and contrib theme
[00:35:53]<ergonlogic>Fuzzy76: great, thanks for the update
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[01:27:47]<Juc1_>Fuzzy76: or anyone - I think the old style drush make file no longer works - could you maybe post a working drush make file somewhere eg http://pastebin.com/ so I can see how it should look?
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[07:42:40]<jcornwell>Hi all. I'm having trouble getting a site to clone, wondering if anyone can lend a hand. Other sites on the same server (even the same platform) have cloned fine today.
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[07:45:49]<jcornwell>The error I get is "Could not generate database backup from mysqldump. (error: mysqldump: Got error: 1045: Access denied for user 'devtoastmastersl'@'localhost' (using password: YES) when trying to connect )"
[07:47:55]<jcornwell>Any thoughts?
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[07:49:34]<jackinloadup>jcornwell, thats odd
[07:49:49]<jackinloadup>jcornwell, have you tried verifying the site before cloning it?
[07:50:02]<jcornwell>It successfully verifies. -_-
[07:50:12]<jackinloadup>well that sure is odd
[07:50:34]<jcornwell>Yeah... I'm afraid to try a migrate task in case something goes totally wrong with it.
[07:50:51]<jackinloadup>jcornwell, yeah i don't blame you
[07:51:36]<jcornwell>The full task log is here: http://tny.cz/e95c3464 ...it looks like the new db user is either not getting created or not getting the proper privs set
[07:51:36]<jackinloadup>jcornwell,you might need to get into a mysql client and look at what the database username/password that aegir has and make sure it aligns with the setting file in the site
[07:52:17]<jackinloadup>jcornwell, ah so this is when its creating the new site.. not when exporting the older site. correct?
[07:52:22]<jcornwell>unfortunately it looks like the settings file and new db user get removed during the failure rollback
[07:52:23]<jcornwell>Aye
[07:52:49]<jackinloadup>ok. and this isn't an issue with other sites?
[07:53:15]<jcornwell>Nope, tested another site before and afterwards, clean success.
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[07:54:52]<jackinloadup>hmm. so maybe its an issue with the database file. maybe try taking a backup of the site and opening the tar.gz getting the backup and manually pushing it into a mysql database. It could be some odd issue with data saved.. though that does seem kinda out there.
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[07:55:11]<jackinloadup>i'm just not sure how else there could be an issue in that circumstance
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[07:56:32]<jackinloadup>maybe someone else smarter and more well informed than I will look at this convo and see the issue
[07:56:45]<jackinloadup>jcornwell, sorry i wasn't more help
[07:57:08]<jcornwell>Not a problem, at least I don't feel stupid for missing the obvious... lol
[07:59:19]<jackinloadup>jcornwell, i've run into a lot of other problems while migrating/cloning but never a mysql one like that. except when my clone would do a dbup
[08:00:00]<jackinloadup>jcornwell, thought to be fair almost all those problems are due to my own creation. Aka older sites that are not based on platforms.
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[08:07:34]<jcornwell>You know what... I was misreading the log. It's failing to connect on the old db user, and it appears to be due to a disparity between the drushrc.php file and the apache config file (apache has the right db user, drushrc.php doesn't)
[08:10:22]<jcornwell>The site was migrated from another platform and another name a few weeks ago, and I guess maybe the drushrc.php didn't get updated... I dunno. I just updated the db info in there, waiting for the queue to process.
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[08:16:47]<jcornwell>jackinloadup: success!
[08:16:59]<jackinloadup>jackinloadup, what did you find?
[08:18:06]<jcornwell>as you suspected at first, the site's drushrc.php had bad database info in it.
[08:18:43]<jcornwell>I just misread the task log and thought it was the new site connection that was failing.
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[08:23:42]<jcornwell>Thanks for your help jackinloadup! Time for me to bounce.
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[08:27:44]<HaloFX>I am starting a project that will have thousands of files in Files directory, totaling several gigabytes. How does Aegir behave/perform with migrations of this size?
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[08:29:21]<Zanix>it will probably just take a long time to migrate
[08:29:32]<Zanix>depending on the file system aegir is running on
[08:29:52]<Zanix>I do not know if aegir uses a simple copy or move, or if it uses somethign like rsync
[08:30:07]<jackinloadup>HaloFX, yeah in my experience.. it works but its super unefficient
[08:30:36]<Zanix>I think the best way to handle this would be to symlink your files directory to a common location
[08:30:54]<Zanix>correction, best way for aegir to handle this
[08:31:12]<jackinloadup>Zanix, what it does is tar.gz the site dir then untar in the new place. so with multiple gigs you will be making multi gig backups tar files.
[08:31:42]<Zanix>ah, I just did not recall how it worked
[08:31:43]<Zanix>thanks
[08:32:06]<jackinloadup>HaloFX, Zanix i believe has the right idea on symlinks. I haven't tried this myself but sounds like a winner. might have to try this with one of my larger 2gb sites.
[08:32:09]<Zanix>and yes, that is very unefficient
[08:32:31]<Zanix>tar.gz should not normally follow symlinks
[08:32:35]<Zanix>..normally
[08:33:01]<jackinloadup>Zanix, yeah thats what i was thinking. the question is if they aegir has its setup to do so.. please no.......
[08:33:05]<Zanix>it should jsut copy the reference and then when extracted, the reference is put back
[08:33:12]<Zanix>i dont think it is
[08:33:25]<Zanix>and Im not sure if a symlink would survive the migrate
[08:33:30]<Zanix>would be interesting to test this
[08:33:59]<Zanix>you would of course need the symlink to have the full path to the files, not a relative path
[08:34:34]<jackinloadup>This would be a perfect place for btrfs copy-on-write but that there isn't enough support to do something of that nature at the moment on a tool like this
[08:35:37]<Zanix>I wonder how many people use aegir on sites with very large file count and/or size
[08:36:06]<Zanix>my company does
[08:36:28]<Zanix>and it does take a very long time to migrate
[08:36:52]<Zanix>its at the point where we just upgrade the platform in-place
[08:37:06]<Zanix>all our backups are in vmshpere
[08:37:27]<Zanix>vcenter, vmware, vshpere, whatever its called
[08:38:59]<jackinloadup>Zanix, aww well thats no good. you are loosing much of the benefit of the system doing it that way. I really hope a more elegant solution to this problem is thought up soon. I know its been talked about for quite some time.
[08:41:28]<Zanix>indeed, but we stand up new versions of the same site on a regular basis, so we have a blank template to clone
[08:41:49]<HaloFX>I had thought about using the Amazon S3 CORS modules, to move the whole Files directory to S3, but it is rough going also.
[08:42:11]<Zanix>and it's nice to stand up a new drupal test site quickly, to test code and modules on
[08:42:55]<jackinloadup>Zanix, yeah no doubt. thats why i love it. just clone, test, commit, deploy
[08:43:08]<Zanix>indeed
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[08:43:30]<Zanix>its just these "project" sites that are heavy and have to be handled differently
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[08:43:57]<jackinloadup>HaloFX, I've already planned on move much of my file needs onto S3 as well. Though I'm curious what the downsides are
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[08:45:54]<HaloFX>Well I found one out today, I can't host on Pantheon. They support the CDN module, but files have to hit the prod server first and then get copied to S3. I want to go straight to S3.
[08:47:34]<HaloFX>If I can't host on Pantheon, then I definitely want Aegir.
[08:47:54]<jackinloadup>ah, well u i haven't used pantheon. how do you like it compared to using something like aegir?
[08:48:05]<jackinloadup>HaloFX, ^^
[08:48:58]<HaloFX>Pantheon is actually really slick. And for smaller sites, the price is very good for a fully managed stack. Pantheon really helps you stick to best practices for deployment.
[08:50:04]<HaloFX>I have been using Aegir for a couple years, and really like it. But there are sites that sometimes you just don't want to have to deal with server maintenance with.
[08:54:46]<Zanix>pantheon is very slick
[08:55:00]<Zanix>I like their dev->stage->prd
[08:55:10]<Zanix>and that's hard to do on your own
[08:57:43]<jackinloadup>well now i feel all lame
[08:57:43]<HaloFX>They do it very well! I have only used it for a couple sites that are still in progress, haven't gone live yet, but really enjoy using it.
[08:58:35]<jackinloadup>i remember reading about the file system that powers it. Quite an impressive work. It's custom.
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[09:00:22]<HaloFX>Also nice how it gives you Apache Solr with just a couple clicks. And nightly backups to S3 are included.
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[09:02:00]* Zanix is looking at implementing solr soon
[09:02:09]* Zanix is not looking forward to ir
[09:02:12]<Zanix>*it
[09:02:52]<Zanix>I take that back, Im looking forward to getting it working and such, just not the headaches
[09:05:04]<jackinloadup>Zanix same and same in regards to Solr
[09:05:06]<HaloFX>Zanix: Might take a look at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iLYM22clqQ
[09:05:44]<HaloFX>^^ Enabling full-text Apache Solr search on Pantheon
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[09:45:37]<Zanix>thanks HaloFX
[09:45:53]<HaloFX>:)
[09:47:03]<HaloFX>FYI - according to Pantheon, The Amazon S3 CORS should work to off load my files to S3, now to figure out what I am doing wrong.
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[10:01:24]<jackinloadup>HaloFX, cool post back if you figure it out
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