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[18:19:10]<cweagans>Anyone around?
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[18:24:22]<cweagans>I just released hosting_storage and provision_storage
[18:24:37]<cweagans>However, I'm testing it with a remote platform, and I'm noticing some weirdness
[18:25:44]<cweagans>the "basic" storage engine in that module simply symlinks sites/sitename.com/files and sites/sitename.com/private to /var/aegir/filestorage/sitename.com/files and /var/aegir/filestorage/sitename.com/private, respectively.
[18:25:58]<cweagans>However, when the site directory is rsynced to the remote server,
[18:26:07]<cweagans>the symlinks aren't symlinks anymore - they're just empty directories
[18:26:56]<cweagans>the goal here is to have /var/aegir/filestorage be a shared filesystem mounted on all servers (For clusters and that kind of thing). I don't like how pack works - I don't like having my Drupal code on an NFS share. It's kinda slow.
[18:27:03]<cweagans>at least, in my client's environment
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[19:18:12]<boshtian>Is there any setting that lets you create site with same domain inside of one Aegir master but the sites are on different servers?
[19:18:56]<boshtian>I've been questioning about this and noecc gave me this url: http://community.aegirproject.org/content/migrate-sites-one-aegir-another
[19:19:54]<boshtian>But in our case master server stays the same. We would just like to clone site www.domain.com from prod_server_1 to prod_server_2.
[19:20:05]<boshtian>and then switch dns
[19:20:17]<boshtian>hope I was clear and anyone knows for a solution
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[20:04:13]<gnur>does aegir 2.x support drush 6.2 ?
[20:04:30]<gnur>coworker says it does, but I can't find it anywhere on the community site
[20:05:45]<KW|Websystem>gnur, Debian package comes with Drush 5. But we have isntalled 6.2 and it works.
[20:06:08]<KW|Websystem>We had some problem with the module remote import: But here is that patch:
[20:06:09]<KW|Websystem>https://drupal.org/node/2175593
[20:06:10]<hefring>https://drupal.org/node/2175593 => Can not verify remote Aegir if remote server has Drush 6 [#2175593] => 0 comments, 1 IRC mention
[20:06:58]<KW|Websystem>Also it could be good to add $options['strict'] = FALSE; in drushrc.php
[20:07:36]<KW|Websystem>As some part of remote_import uses drush arguments not defined correct
[20:08:11]<KW|Websystem>But plain Aegir has no problem with Drush 6. But I don't think it is supportet yet as it is not the default package in debian.
[20:08:39]<gnur>ok, we try to keep everything as stock as possible so we'll probably stay with drush 5.10 for now
[20:08:57]<gnur>thanks for the info!
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[20:13:03]<KW|Websystem>boshtian, : Are you using remote servers and one Aegir installation. Or two full Aegir installations?
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[20:15:53]<boshtian>One Aegir installation and remote servers. Actual situation is: Aegir Master server with Aegir installation. Remote server in location_1 with own IP. Now we added another server on location_2 with own IP. We would like to clone some sites from location_1 to location_2.
[20:16:52]<KW|Websystem>I have tried it myself. But the problem is that all host name should be uniqe. So one can not have two site with same hostname.
[20:17:12]<KW|Websystem>I was looking into having unique internal hosting name and have same server alias.
[20:17:26]<KW|Websystem>But that require us to patch the aegir code.
[20:18:04]<KW|Websystem>And we had some other problems also with remote server. As all task done for location_1 is run from Aegier master.
[20:19:14]<KW|Websystem>So migrating a site on platformA on location_1 to platformB on location_1 was rsyncing down the site to Aegier master. And the uploaded again to platformB on location_1
[20:19:42]<KW|Websystem>And our server on location_1 was in a offsite datacenter. So that was a problem for us
[20:20:59]<KW|Websystem>As one migrate took 1 hour to complete. And during that time. The site was either in maintenance mode or unaccessiable.
[20:21:12]<boshtian>I understand everything said above. I was just hoping if there is some workaround.
[20:21:34]<boshtian>But now I see the other problem, that I wasn't aware of.
[20:22:04]<boshtian>All of the sites are of course rsynced to master first.
[20:22:15]<KW|Websystem>So now we have a full aegier installation on Aegir master (dev). And a full Aegir on location_1 and just anotherday ago a full Aegir on location_2
[20:22:28]<KW|Websystem>And using this module https://drupal.org/project/remote_import
[20:22:51]<KW|Websystem>It is really simple to clone sites between aegier installations.
[20:23:06]<KW|Websystem>As easy as your current setup.
[20:23:41]<KW|Websystem>And we have our platform in Git. So it is very easy to make sure all platforms on each Aegir host a excatly same
[20:23:47]<boshtian>Oh, I see .. well this is something we can do aswell.
[20:24:35]<boshtian>And do you see all sites on all servers?
[20:24:55]<boshtian>I mean where do you control cloning from. Still from master?
[20:25:17]<KW|Websystem>No directly. You only see local site. But when you click on "Import remote sites" you choose witch remote server to connect to.
[20:25:32]<KW|Websystem>And then you get the list of sites on that server.
[20:25:55]<KW|Websystem>So this mean we have to login on both Aegir servers.
[20:26:29]<KW|Websystem>Right now it is not a problem. We have like 5 production sites. And 10 dev-sites.
[20:28:04]<KW|Websystem>I would like to have only one Aegir installation. But that didn't work for us.
[20:28:34]<boshtian>OK, I see. But anyway this is not some task, that we should be doing on daily basis so login on both sides shouldn't be much of a problem.
[20:29:12]<KW|Websystem>So we where planing to build a own version of Aegir just for our needs. But then ergonlogic showed os remote_import. And that works and we are happy with that.
[20:29:35]<KW|Websystem>We didn't have to code our own solution so we saved time.
[20:30:06]<KW|Websystem>And with debian package for Aegir2 installing a new Aegier server was really easy.
[20:30:31]<KW|Websystem>And we did it on location_1 with just 5-10 minutes downtime.
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[20:30:59]<boshtian>Great! I think we will try your solution as well.
[20:31:01]<KW|Websystem>As the current site could just be running while we installed Aegier and then we just imported the platform and it found the existing sites.
[20:31:53]<boshtian>We will test it on location_2 (this is the new server) and try with this module.
[20:32:15]<KW|Websystem>So small changes to mysql-permission was needed to be updated on the sites. As the new Aegier server was using localhost (instead of FQDN)
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[20:32:44]<KW|Websystem>boshtian, : If you have any question. I will be on IRC.
[20:32:49]<boshtian>Yes, I see .. now the picture is clear. :) Thank you very much for all the help.
[20:33:17]<boshtian>We will try to do this today and I'll let you know how it goes.
[20:33:38]<KW|Websystem>Nice.
[20:34:00]<boshtian>Thanks for your availability - if I'll need help, I'll ping you. Thanks for now.
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[23:49:53]<gnur>Is there a guide for moving the Aegir hub? Or is it better to just start a new hub and import all the remote platforms?
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[01:39:14]<KW|Websystem>gnur, : I would just install a new and import them.
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[01:50:28]<jcornwell>Good morning everyone! I'm having a multiserver issue. My master server is on a load-balanced connection with two different external IPs on different ISPs that its traffic goes through.
[01:51:38]<jcornwell>Because of that, my connections to MySQL on the remote server often fail, as the SQL users get created for one host, and some subsequent connections come from the other host.
[01:52:26]<jcornwell>Short of forcing all of my master server's traffic to go through one connection, is there way I can address this within Aegir?
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[03:34:53]<noecc>What's become of the delete node option in Aegir2? I need to delete a site that has failed import.
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[03:38:10]<jcornwell>noecc: I've had luck following the process described here: http://community.aegirproject.org/node/26 under the "Manually deleting the site" heading.
[03:39:45]<jcornwell>Alternatively check out the "Delete without Disabling" heading, though I had issues using that on failed imports.
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[04:32:54]<noecc>jcornwell: Thanks. That did it.
[04:36:08]<jcornwell>noecc: glad I could help :)
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[05:20:34]<fatguylaughing>So my per site cron says it's running every 15 minutes on a specific site. However, that sites cron is not being executed. I can't seem to find a fix for this.
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[05:28:43]<gboudrias>fatguylaughing: From what I've seen it's often a sign that the cron timeouts or otherwise fails to end
[05:29:16]<fatguylaughing>gboudrias: Hmm I've ran php /var/aegir/drush/drush.php @hostmaster hosting-cron --debug but that doesn't anything good
[05:29:33]<fatguylaughing>gboudrias: When it completes will all success it still doesn't trigger.
[05:29:48]<gboudrias>fatguylaughing: If I were you I'd investigate the site cron directly (with the non-provision drush cron command)
[05:29:50]<fatguylaughing>gboudrias: Should I be using something different then @hostmaster?
[05:30:11]<gboudrias>fatguylaughing: Yes, @hostmaster means the hostmaster site (Aegir frontend)
[05:30:19]<gboudrias>What you want is @example.com
[05:30:38]<fatguylaughing>gboudrias: Alright I'll try that before I go further.
[05:31:07]* fatguylaughing is confused....
[05:31:12]<fatguylaughing>gboudrias: SOOOO lol
[05:31:23]<fatguylaughing>gboudrias: The drush command 'hosting-cron' could not be found. [1.72 sec, 76.21 MB] [error]
[05:31:38]<fatguylaughing>gboudrias: How the heck lol. It's an aegir system.
[05:31:54]<gboudrias>fatguylaughing: Hosting-cron is the provision command (Aegir), try the normal drush cron command
[05:31:57]<fatguylaughing>gboudrias: I'm on Aegir1.9
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[05:32:34]<gboudrias>fatguylaughing: drush @example.com cron --verbose maybe?
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[05:32:55]<fatguylaughing>gboudrias: Sure I'm not worried about the drush cron running. I know that will work. I need the Aegir version to work so the Aegir per site cron settings will work.
[05:33:01]<fatguylaughing>ok one sec
[05:33:11]<gboudrias>Well that might be a problem indeed
[05:33:33]<gboudrias>Never happened to me so I'm not really sure what could cause that
[05:34:00]<fatguylaughing>gboudrias: :) Well at least you are getting me somewhere
[05:34:06]<gboudrias>Good luck!
[05:34:10]<fatguylaughing>gboudrias: I mean I found that one error so that's the next step.
[05:34:16]<fatguylaughing>gboudrias: Thanks! :)
[05:34:27]<gboudrias>Np, keep us posted
[05:34:35]<fatguylaughing>gboudrias: indeed
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[05:35:20]<cweagans>Hey anarcat - I posted a thing I've been working on: http://drupal.org/project/provision_storage, http://drupal.org/project/hosting_storage
[05:35:44]<cweagans>I'd love to see something like this in Aegir core (different from what I have in that it actually works)
[05:36:32]<cweagans>It's also a good example of the rsync issues I've been having - if you use the "basic" storage engine in those modules, and try to push the site to a remote server, the symlinks in /var/aegir/platforms/myplatform/sites/mysite.com are copied to the remote server as a directory
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[05:44:08]<fatguylaughing>gboudrias: Ok so do you happen to know what module or thing I need to install to get the drush command hosting-cron
[05:44:24]<fatguylaughing>gboudrias: drush on the system does not have that as a command to use.
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[05:45:24]<gboudrias>fatguylaughing: No I've never really had that problem before, sorry. Maybe someone else can help.
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[05:45:59]<fatguylaughing>gboudrias: Alright thanks :) have a good one!
[05:46:14]<gboudrias>You too!
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[06:28:06]<cweagans>Posted a feature request for this: https://drupal.org/node/2185627 :)
[06:28:07]<hefring>https://drupal.org/node/2185627 => Add a storage service [#2185627] => 0 comments, 1 IRC mention
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[06:46:28]<ergonlogic>cweagans: cool! I commented in the issue
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[06:49:31]<ergonlogic>fatguylaughing: still working on that cron issue?
[06:50:27]<fatguylaughing>ergonlogic: Haven't gotten back to it so yes :D
[06:50:35]<cweagans>ergonlogic: Commented back :)
[06:50:48]<fatguylaughing>ergonlogic: Looks like I just need hosting-cron command for drush
[06:51:05]<cweagans>The main thing is that it's very difficult to do in a contrib module, since Aegir isn't built with the idea of moving the files directory to some other location. It's quite difficult to do in contrib.
[06:51:09]<cweagans>So far, anyways
[06:51:12]<ergonlogic>fatguylaughing: alright, so hosting-cron will only work with @hostmaster, since it's a hosting command.
[06:51:21]<cweagans>The main thing is that ->sync() doesn't copy dirlinks correctly
[06:51:27]<cweagans>which might just be a separate bug report
[06:51:40]<cweagans>which, if fixed, would enable provision_storage to work correctly :)
[06:51:44]<ergonlogic>fatguylaughing: what gboudrias was suggesting was to ensure there weren't any errors when you run 'drush @example.com cron'
[06:51:47]<fatguylaughing>ergonlogic: Ah - well that clears that up lol
[06:52:10]<ergonlogic>cweagans: right, it's probably a switch in our rsync command
[06:52:20]<cweagans>I can't for the life of me figure out which one :)
[06:52:21]<fatguylaughing>ergonlogic: Right but when I run it I get this back from drush The drush command 'hosting-cron' could not be found. [1.72 sec, 76.21 MB] [error]
[06:52:45]<cweagans>I've tried probably 500 different combinations - not exaggerating even a little bit :0
[06:52:47]<cweagans>:) *
[06:52:54]<ergonlogic>fatguylaughing: look again... run 'drush cron' NOT 'drush hosting-cron'
[06:53:12]<ergonlogic>cweagans: well, first, thanks for sharing it :)
[06:53:41]<ergonlogic>I have little experience with rsync, so I don't know how much I can help there
[06:53:44]<cweagans>:)
[06:53:51]<ergonlogic>it might also be a design decision
[06:53:59]<cweagans>I have very little experience with it as well. The combinations involved a lot of Googleing
[06:54:02]<ergonlogic>as there could be security implications
[06:54:14]<fatguylaughing>ergonlogic: Ok one sec
[06:54:55]<cweagans>I also tried a ->shell_exec() to just manually build the symlinks on the remote server after the initial site installation, but that doesn't seem to work on pack or cluster servers (there's no ->shell_exec for clusters or servers)
[06:54:55]<fatguylaughing>ergonlogic: Yes you are right I didn't alter the command just the @site
[06:55:56]<fatguylaughing>ergonlogic: Alright that worked - however my site is not getting cron ran every 15 mins even though that's what I have it set to.
[06:56:03]<ergonlogic>fatguylaughing: so, iirc, hosting-cron just dispatches the cron job, but doesn't ensure that it's worked. So the time-stamp is just the last time it triggered cron, and not necessarily the last time it ran successfully
[06:56:25]<fatguylaughing>ergonlogic: The site node says it is but the actual site status_report shows cron hasn't run for a lot longer than 15 minutes.
[06:56:33]<ergonlogic>fatguylaughing: also, there's an option whether to run cron via drush or cron.php
[06:56:42]<ergonlogic>maybe try that too
[06:57:11]<fatguylaughing>ergonlogic: Yes I thought about using the WGET method instead. However, I didn't know if one way was more beneficial?
[06:57:16]<ergonlogic>cweagans: I'm pretty sure remotes don't have provision installed, so options are pretty limited
[06:57:49]<ergonlogic>cweagans: there's an issue about making remotes smarter
[06:57:56]<ergonlogic>mostly by installing provision
[06:58:42]<ergonlogic>it's a move toward a more mesh-style of remotes, rather than the current hub-spoke
[06:59:40]<ergonlogic>fatguylaughing: I think the main difference is that the drush method doesn't use an apache thread
[06:59:55]<ergonlogic>but iirc drush cron is slower
[07:00:01]<fatguylaughing>ergonlogic: Ok thanks. I'll give that a shot.
[07:00:25]<fatguylaughing>ergonlogic: Going to give drush one last try incase the drush cron manually fixed something
[07:00:34]<fatguylaughing>ergonlogic: Doubt it but hey couldn't hurt lol
[07:00:56]<cweagans>ergonlogic: I don't think we need smart remotes for this. I was saying, I'd run $server->shell_exec from hostmaster to SSH into the remote server, delete the empty directory, and replace it with a symlink to the correct file storage location
[07:01:04]<cweagans>It's kind of a kludge, but it *should* work
[07:01:15]<cweagans>but only if the pack and cluster services get shell_exec support :)
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[07:04:13]<Captain_Haddock>Not sure how on topic this is. I've got aegir working fine in an ubuntu VM in a Windows host. I'm using this simply as a dev server on a laptop. Security isn't a priority. I'd like to be able to share the /var/aegir/platforms directory using Samba. What would be the best way to do this?
[07:04:25]<Captain_Haddock>I've added my username 'foo' to the 'aegir' group already.
[07:05:11]<Captain_Haddock>I get 'access denied' when I try to access platforms from Windows.
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[08:06:39]<realityloop>ergonlogic: are you about?
[08:07:11]<ergonlogic>realityloop: hi
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[08:08:32]<realityloop>ergonlogic: hi, I was wondering if you know of any reason that my OSX Aegir install script would report mismatched MD5 on provision and hostmaster downloads? https://github.com/BrianGilbert/OSXAegirInstaller/blob/master/aegir.sh#L629
[08:08:51]<realityloop>using Drush 6
[08:09:53]<ergonlogic>not off-hand
[08:10:00]<ergonlogic>let me take a look
[08:10:09]<realityloop>ergonlogic: thanks I appreciate it
[08:11:09]<realityloop>ergonlogic: I also sent you a message via hefring, not sure i you saw it, asking if it's possible to install aegir-up using nginx as the web server?
[08:11:58]<ergonlogic>realityloop: it should work
[08:12:22]<ergonlogic>since nginx is supported by puppet-aegir
[08:13:03]<realityloop>ergonlogic: i could find any documentation on how to do it
[08:13:43]<ergonlogic>well, puppet-aegir is pretty well documented
[08:14:05]<ergonlogic>but I was under the impression there's an nginx blueprint in aegir-up already
[08:14:12]<ergonlogic>maybe try the dev version?
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[08:14:36]<realityloop>thanks i'll check it out
[08:15:52]<ergonlogic>realityloop: you should see a blueprint called aegir2-nginx
[08:16:03]<ergonlogic>it's in the latest release
[08:16:12]<ergonlogic>which is itself a bit out of date...
[08:17:40]<realityloop>brb have to look after my son for a bit
[08:17:52]<ergonlogic>realityloop: the aegir2-dev blueprint is also a good choice, and you can just un-comment 'web_server': http://drupalcode.org/project/aegir-up.git/blob/21ebff6fe72b7aa04ced74bb...
[08:18:00]<ergonlogic>sure, let me know
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[08:20:08]<ergonlogic>so, you're intending to install provision to other than /var/aegir/.drush?
[08:21:11]<ergonlogic>no idea why it'd throw a checksum error though
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[08:22:25]<ergonlogic>why are you specifying -6.x-2.x? Wouldn't you want the latest release, and not the latest dev snapshot?
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[08:24:13]<realityloop>back
[08:24:51]<realityloop>ergonlogic: didn't know that there had been a release so recently
[08:26:15]<realityloop>testing with stables
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[08:30:09]<realityloop>ergonlogic: is there a feeling for when 3.x might be usable (if it isn't already)?
[08:30:49]<realityloop>ergonlogic: I'd really like to see if it will work under HHVM
[08:31:01]<ergonlogic>it's getting pretty close
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[08:31:17]<ergonlogic>We've been working on it quite a bit this week.
[08:31:24]<ergonlogic>it'll even install d8 sites
[08:31:47]<realityloop>Deciphered and I hope to be able to spend some time on it after DrupalSouth
[08:32:22]<ergonlogic>we're focusing on the really core features and some ui/api stuff right now (so still no clone/migrate) but server/platform/site installs work
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[08:37:34]<realityloop>ergonlogic: cool
[08:37:54]<realityloop>ergonlogic: has the theme changed much/at all?
[08:39:56]<ergonlogic>not really
[08:40:56]<realityloop>thats one of the areas we're keen to do something on for ourselves.. to get closer to something like gitlab http://gitlab.org/images/screens/gitlab_project_tree.png
[08:41:13]<cweagans>realityloop: ergonlogic: For Aegir 3, I plan to build a new responsive theme for Aegir :)
[08:41:18]<cweagans>if I get around to it
[08:41:34]<realityloop>cweagans: yeah we'd make ours responsive too
[08:41:37]<cweagans>I've also got quite a wishlist going that I'll prioritize and create issues for in the provision queue
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[08:43:10]<realityloop>cweagans: yeah, we've been investigating vagrant and one of the issues is access to hostnames from your local machine.. one of the ideas Deciphered had was adding some web services to aegir so that we could have a component on the host that created hosts entries when new sites were created
[08:43:35]<cweagans>Oh, that'd be cool :)
[08:43:49]<noecc>cweagans: For reference https://sanitarium.net/golug/rsync_backups_2010.html
[08:44:07]<cweagans>Honestly though, I'd probably never work on Aegir locally. It's so so so cheap to spin up a new Digital Ocean machine that matches my prod environment
[08:45:02]<realityloop>cweagans: now that Linode is moving to metered billing that may be an oprion but with us baing in .au it's still far faster to do development locally
[08:45:11]<cweagans>Totally
[08:45:16]<cweagans>Also, linode is moving to metered billing!?
[08:45:27]<realityloop>cweagans: it's currently in beta
[08:45:45]<realityloop>cweagans: let me get you a link
[08:46:05]<realityloop>https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10817
[08:47:34]<cweagans>Very nice!
[08:47:36]<cweagans>That's really awesome
[08:47:38]<cweagans>Linode++
[08:48:30]<realityloop>cweagans: something else you might like... https://blog.linode.com/2014/01/28/linode-cli/
[08:48:47]<cweagans>Ohhh, yeah - I saw that. Been meaning to give it a go :)
[08:50:29]<ergonlogic>realityloop cweagans new themes would be very welcome :)
[08:51:09]<ergonlogic>realityloop: check out drush-hosts, but subdir support should help there too
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[08:52:50]<ergonlogic>realityloop: also, a proper DNS implementation would allow us to run a local DNS server, and that'd be even better
[08:53:42]<realityloop>ergonlogic: are you likley to be at Austin or Amsterdam?
[08:54:02]<ergonlogic>we could even set it to cache locally, and thus get a speed boost to web browsing locally
[08:54:15]<ergonlogic>I'm going to try to make it to both
[08:54:24]* cweagans will be in Austin as well
[08:54:30]<cweagans>it'd be cool to do an Aegir sprint :)
[08:54:32]<ergonlogic>finances, as usual, being the main obstacle
[08:54:56]<realityloop>ergonlogic: same here... we're going to DrupalSouth, not sure about the other 2 yet
[08:55:03]<realityloop>but hope to be able to make it
[08:55:07]<ergonlogic>I'll be submitting some sessions, but we haven't had one accepted in a US DC for years
[08:55:38]<ergonlogic>if I have to chose between the two, it'll likely be amsterdam
[08:55:48]<realityloop>ergonlogic: likewise
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[09:29:50]<realityloop>ergonlogic: using stables worked for the issue in my script
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[09:38:04]<ergonlogic>good
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