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| [22:08:05] | <kristofferwiklun> | For all the Linux administrators http://heartbleed.com/ |
| [22:08:11] | <kristofferwiklun> | Time to update Openssl |
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| [01:34:30] | <batfastad> | Anyone know if its possible to run the boost module with Aegir? |
| [01:35:11] | <batfastad> | Been reading this http://vacilando.org/en/article/drupal-performance-mantra-crawl-boost-ex... and it suggests that modifications need to be made to the .htaccess file which obviously lives under the platform, and will therefore apply to all sites on that platform. |
| [01:35:34] | <gboudrias> | batfastad: It is possible, but I think it requires a patch, and Boost is more generally not recommended anymore |
| [01:35:42] | <gboudrias> | (When it's possible to avoid it) |
| [01:35:50] | <batfastad> | It also expects the boost cache directory to be under the drupal root rather than the site's dir |
| [01:35:55] | <batfastad> | Ah ok, I did not know that |
| [01:36:17] | <gboudrias> | batfastad: Well, not recommended by me :P But I think a lot of people agree external caching is simply better for the same purpose |
| [01:36:18] | <batfastad> | Sounds nasty |
| [01:36:22] | <gboudrias> | So like, Varnish, etc |
| [01:36:25] | <batfastad> | So something like varnish |
| [01:36:28] | <gboudrias> | yeah |
| [01:36:28] | <batfastad> | cool |
| [01:38:14] | <batfastad> | well, not cool really. We were using a custom platform in codeigniter which flew without APC, memcached. Without APC and memcached we couldn't even get 1 req/sec! |
| [01:38:36] | <batfastad> | ... from the drupal platform that's been built |
| [01:39:39] | <gboudrias> | batfastad: Well that sounds like a problem :P But if you can use external caching, it would for sure reduce the load more than boost imo |
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| [01:43:05] | <batfastad> | Yep. I mean with APC, drupal cache and memcached we can hit some decent numbers. But that's alot of caching options chucked at it just to get a baseline |
| [01:43:10] | <batfastad> | I always knew Drupal was a beast but this is staggering. |
| [01:45:12] | <gboudrias> | Well, APC has never really been optional for prod since D6 afaict, but yeah the D7 codebase is big and I think you'll find we all have things to say about it ;) |
| [01:46:35] | <gboudrias> | To be fair though, I think D7 etc have been optimized with those things in mind (ie: doesn't matter if it's slow without memcache, etc) |
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| [01:48:50] | <gboudrias> | (Not that I like it, but there you go) |
| [01:49:32] | <batfastad> | Yeah I was just amazed at the scale of the problem. I know the flexibility/extensibility of it will always mean it's not going to be the most performant. But it was decided that all our sites should move to a single CMS/platform (drupal) but there's a 4yr old 8GB wordpress site that didn't blink which is now bogging. |
| [01:50:12] | <gboudrias> | That's impressive! |
| [01:50:13] | <batfastad> | How about the filecache module? Will that be any improvement over memcached? |
| [01:50:23] | <gboudrias> | I don't use it. Anyone else? |
| [01:50:58] | <batfastad> | I was under the impression it was just another cache handler, and in which case caching in memory will be faster than disk |
| [01:52:42] | <gboudrias> | Looks like it |
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| [01:58:48] | <batfastad> | Ha, yeah, wordpress isn't my idea of a good time either. But previously we had typo3, alfresco, joomla, wordpress and custom frameworks all powering various sites. I really like them being on drupal/aegir for management. Shame it seems like there's alot of optimising to go |
| [02:00:07] | <batfastad> | What's a typical number of modules to have enabled? At the moment the design/product team have got 241 of 414 |
| [02:01:05] | <gboudrias> | Well the more sites you have, the more likely you are to have a problem |
| [02:01:12] | <gboudrias> | Same goes with modules |
| [02:01:37] | <gboudrias> | We have fewer than 20 for some production sites, but some of our clients have more than 200 for some production sites |
| [02:01:49] | <gboudrias> | (Not counting core) |
| [02:02:20] | <gboudrias> | There's probably statistics somewhere of averages, but then again you'd have to compare the use cases for it to mean anything |
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| [03:08:10] | <drastik-jw> | gboudrias: batfastad: Switch to Nginx. Profit. |
| [03:09:03] | <gboudrias> | batfastad: drastik-jw has a good point, nginx does static caching as well (so you could replace apache with it entirely) |
| [03:09:19] | <drastik-jw> | full army of super-fast native caching options. BOA does a ton of lifting on that end, but coding it yourself gives you tons of options |
| [03:09:51] | <drastik-jw> | Nginx->Nginx stacks are super common (and very fast) |
| [03:10:07] | <drastik-jw> | forget Varnish & the headache of setup (and no SSL caching) |
| [03:10:52] | <drastik-jw> | they can also be set up in as little as like 20 lines (in 1 config file, 2 servers defined, 1 as a caching front end, the other as the pass-through) |
| [03:11:02] | <gboudrias> | I know ;) |
| [03:11:13] | <gboudrias> | Don't know if he's still there |
| [03:11:24] | <drastik-jw> | yeah I was late to the party |
| [03:12:09] | <gboudrias> | More doc would be good though, especially re: aegir on nginx |
| [03:16:35] | <drastik-jw> | gboudrias: were you the one who pasted the nginx conf example of a double nginx? (port 80 caching w/ pass through to 8080)? |
| [03:16:45] | <drastik-jw> | someone did that in this channel I think |
| [03:16:56] | <drastik-jw> | Double nginx, so intense :) |
| [03:17:13] | <gboudrias> | drastik-jw: No but I saw the same setup with Varnish, so it's probably fairly standard |
| [03:17:26] | <gboudrias> | (Varnish + apache) |
| [03:17:40] | <drastik-jw> | meh, this is way cooler |
| [03:17:42] | <drastik-jw> | :P |
| [03:18:02] | <gboudrias> | hahah |
| [03:18:10] | <drastik-jw> | To use the same, single config file (native to the system), to define that omgash |
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