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| [22:47:51] | <batfastad> | Hi everyone. Has the format of .drush.inc for Apache vhost overrides changed with Aegir v2? |
| [22:48:16] | <batfastad> | I have this working successfully in /var/aegir/.drush on Aegir 1.x boxes... http://apaste.info/9sK |
| [22:48:58] | <batfastad> | per this documentation... http://community.aegirproject.org/node/73 but no luck with Aegir v2 |
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| [23:49:09] | <adrinux> | hello |
| [23:49:09] | <hefring> | hi |
| [23:50:31] | <adrinux> | hosting queued daemon doesn't seem to be able to see drush modules in /var/aegir/.drush, despite running as the aegir user… |
| [23:51:48] | <adrinux> | add /var/aegir/.drush to aegir users $PATH? |
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| [01:49:43] | <ergonlogic> | EclipseGc: pong |
| [01:49:53] | <EclipseGc> | ergonlogic: will you be in Amsterdam? |
| [01:50:12] | <ergonlogic> | EclipseGc: probably |
| [01:50:31] | <EclipseGc> | ergonlogic: would you be up for Round 2 of the multisite debate? |
| [01:50:43] | <ergonlogic> | adrinux: have you run 'drush cc drush'? |
| [01:50:48] | <ergonlogic> | EclipseGc: sure |
| [01:50:54] | <EclipseGc> | ergonlogic: great |
| [01:51:14] | <EclipseGc> | ergonlogic: were you pleased with the basic outcomes (thus far) of that bof? |
| [01:51:15] | <ergonlogic> | EclipseGc: in fact, I submitted a session on multisite, and I was thinking it could be turned into round 2 |
| [01:51:31] | <EclipseGc> | ergonlogic: oh interesting, were you thinking of a panel? |
| [01:51:52] | <ergonlogic> | EclipseGc: I think it did a good job of getting more information out there |
| [01:52:05] | <ergonlogic> | EclipseGc: yes |
| [01:52:13] | <EclipseGc> | ergonlogic: great |
| [01:52:22] | <EclipseGc> | ergonlogic: did you read Josh’s blog yesterday? |
| [01:52:22] | <ergonlogic> | EclipseGc: https://amsterdam2014.drupal.org/session/do-multi-site-pros |
| [01:52:28] | <ergonlogic> | yeah |
| [01:52:48] | <EclipseGc> | ergonlogic: ahhh ok I saw Cameron post this |
| [01:52:54] | <EclipseGc> | in his FB feed |
| [01:53:11] | <EclipseGc> | ergonlogic: ok, so on this topic… I have a question for you |
| [01:53:35] | <EclipseGc> | ergonlogic: much was made about the security of multisite… what if the individual site dirs could be used as their webroot? |
| [01:53:37] | <ergonlogic> | shoot |
| [01:53:45] | <EclipseGc> | ergonlogic: wouldn’t that improve certain security aspects considerably? |
| [01:54:10] | <EclipseGc> | so if a sites/mysite.com/index.php |
| [01:54:24] | <EclipseGc> | ergonlogic: probably have to move settings.php into a different dir for that |
| [01:54:28] | <EclipseGc> | but just conceptually |
| [01:54:33] | <ergonlogic> | sounds reasonable |
| [01:54:44] | <ergonlogic> | but I'm not really the security specialist |
| [01:54:52] | <EclipseGc> | ok |
| [01:54:54] | <EclipseGc> | fair enough |
| [01:55:19] | <ergonlogic> | anarcat is off today, and he'd really be the best person to ask, imo |
| [01:55:20] | <EclipseGc> | ergonlogic: I’m just looking at typical Symfony full stack setups, and I think they could totally do multisite like this |
| [01:55:34] | <EclipseGc> | ergonlogic: ok fair enough, I’ll pursue it with him next time I see him |
| [01:55:56] | <ergonlogic> | ping me too, since I'm obviously interested :) |
| [01:56:16] | <ergonlogic> | but I know that I'm ignorant of all kinds of edge cases |
| [01:56:32] | <ergonlogic> | I'm just not paranoid enough ;) |
| [01:57:26] | <ergonlogic> | hefring: tell anarcat EclipseGc has some questions about how multi-site security would be improved by moving the docroot into the site |
| [01:57:26] | <hefring> | ergonlogic: I'll pass that on when anarcat is around. |
| [01:57:53] | <EclipseGc> | ergonlogic: fair enough, and thanks, I forget about hefring |
| [01:58:02] | <ergonlogic> | np :) |
| [01:59:31] | <adrinux> | ergonlogic: yeah, its not that, aegir seems to find everything fine in itself, verify works etc, but not the daemonised hosting-queue. this is following the manual install on ubuntu trusty… currently experimenting with the debian package's init script instead... |
| [02:01:48] | <ergonlogic> | https://twitter.com/ergonlogic/status/479655160260476928 |
| [02:01:52] | <ergonlogic> | EclipseGc: ^^^ |
| [02:02:40] | <ergonlogic> | adrinux: I don't think we enable the front-end module by default yet |
| [02:02:44] | <ergonlogic> | maybe check that |
| [02:02:55] | <adrinux> | ahhh |
| [02:06:26] | <adrinux> | aha, spot on, thanks ergonlogic |
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| [02:11:16] | <ergonlogic> | adrinux: I'm glad it helped :) |
| [02:16:16] | <EclipseGc> | ergonlogic: btw, thanks for chatting with my dad for a bit at Drupalcon |
| [02:16:34] | <EclipseGc> | ergonlogic: he’s been spinning up his own Aegir 2 instance and checkout out the upgrade path for his other aegir installs |
| [02:16:55] | <ergonlogic> | EclipseGc: it's always a pleasure to talk to Aegir users :) |
| [02:17:23] | <EclipseGc> | ergonlogic: :-D |
| [02:17:43] | <ergonlogic> | one of the few bad parts of floss is that, as a maintainer, you newver know if anyone's actually using your work |
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| [02:21:38] | <EclipseGc> | ergonlogic: yeah, I hear that |
| [02:21:41] | * EclipseGc welcomes josh_k |
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| [02:34:59] | <btopro> | ergonlogic I'd like to see a module that people can check to send a ping back that they actually are using somerthing |
| [02:35:44] | <ergonlogic> | btopro: could you elaborate? |
| [02:35:46] | <btopro> | I agree; I've been maintaining profiler_builder for years and it was only a few months ago that someone out of the blue was like "dude I didn't know you made that! I use that every day!" |
| [02:35:57] | <ergonlogic> | oh, I see |
| [02:36:16] | <btopro> | ergonlogic like check a box and instead of pinging d.o. for update usage stuff it does it to another service |
| [02:36:29] | <ergonlogic> | well, in D7 update_status is enabled by default, so we'll start seeing a bit more with the release of Aegir 3.x |
| [02:36:44] | <btopro> | kind of like a d.o. one but a more detailed (or less detailed) XML ping; true |
| [02:36:59] | <ergonlogic> | I *think* you can set the update_xml url in modules, no? |
| [02:37:21] | <ergonlogic> | and set up a features server, or similar |
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| [02:38:20] | <btopro> | surprised that would be allowed; saw a project get a take down bc it injected something that pinged home to say it was being used; now maybe it was because it wasn't telling people it did that |
| [02:39:41] | <ergonlogic> | well, I think you need to host the module on your own feature server, in that case |
| [02:40:27] | <ergonlogic> | and it should be anonymized as it is on d.o |
| [02:40:49] | <ergonlogic> | within reason, of course... you could still track IPs and such |
| [02:41:09] | <ergonlogic> | anyway, I prefer meeting uses at conferences and camps :) |
| [02:41:57] | <btopro> | well ya that's always the best :p we all deal enough w/ machines and aggregates of data |
| [02:44:10] | <ergonlogic> | btopro: so, re. non-drupal site support... I invite you to comment in https://www.drupal.org/node/2281461, and or the related issues |
| [02:44:11] | <hefring> | https://www.drupal.org/node/2281461 => [meta] Lay groundwork for non-Drupal applications [#2281461] => 3 comments, 1 IRC mention |
| [02:44:26] | <btopro> | yeah I was monitoring that |
| [02:44:32] | <ergonlogic> | it's been a long-standing feature request |
| [02:45:43] | <btopro> | ergonlogic so you can basically dictate: hey, i'm making a new site and it's part of this multisite over here — |
| [02:45:53] | <btopro> | vs "go make a new site" |
| [02:46:21] | <ergonlogic> | that's the plan |
| [02:46:37] | <btopro> | that's the plan or that's how it currently works? |
| [02:47:01] | <btopro> | cause outside of my weird setup w/ Galaxy I generally recommend everyone I know not use pure multi-sites and instead use DSLM's connotation of a multi-site |
| [02:47:46] | <btopro> | I'd think that each directory tree being different (even if just symlinked) would make it easier to give people access to modify files and run "independently" but that's just my view from a-far |
| [02:47:47] | <ergonlogic> | well, right now you need to create a platform (codebase) first |
| [02:47:59] | <ergonlogic> | then say, go build me a site on that platform |
| [02:48:30] | <josh_k> | hello! :) |
| [02:50:45] | <ergonlogic> | Hi Josh |
| [02:51:09] | <btopro> | oh shit who let him in here |
| [02:51:11] | <btopro> | ;) |
| [02:51:18] | <btopro> | hi josh_k |
| [02:51:51] | <josh_k> | Hey! I've been idling in here for... years ;) |
| [02:52:14] | <josh_k> | just noticed EclipseGc's ping |
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| [03:02:52] | <btopro> | ergonlogic https://www.drupal.org/node/2281461#comment-8896651 threw my 2-cents in |
| [03:02:52] | <hefring> | https://www.drupal.org/node/2281461 => [meta] Lay groundwork for non-Drupal applications [#2281461] => 3 comments, 2 IRC mentions |
| [03:03:10] | <ergonlogic> | btopro: cool thanks |
| [03:03:43] | <ergonlogic> | fwiw, I'm subscribed to all the aegir-related issue queues. So I see all that stuff |
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| [03:04:11] | <btopro> | ha ok |
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| [04:09:42] | <chertzog> | hey everybody |
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| [04:17:26] | <chertzog> | ergonlogic: ping |
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| [04:17:48] | <ergonlogic> | chertzog: pong |
| [04:18:27] | <chertzog> | has there been any work to integrate aegir with a hosting provider via api such as rackspace or digital ocean |
| [04:18:52] | <ergonlogic> | chertzog: you mean provision servers on cloud providers? |
| [04:18:54] | <chertzog> | for having aegir be able to spin up new machines |
| [04:18:56] | <chertzog> | yeah |
| [04:19:36] | <ergonlogic> | chertzog: jonpugh had done some stuff with chef/knife/rackspace, I believe |
| [04:19:54] | <ergonlogic> | I have plans to use vagrant for that sort of thing |
| [04:20:04] | <ergonlogic> | docker containers too, fwiw |
| [04:20:23] | <chertzog> | yeah. arosboro and i were looking into docker |
| [04:21:00] | <ergonlogic> | chertzog: I wrote an extension to vagrant to allow you to specify your vms in yaml files |
| [04:21:09] | <ergonlogic> | it's called vagrant-pirate |
| [04:21:53] | <ergonlogic> | being able to spin up servers easily from an external application via vagrant was essentially the reason I built it |
| [04:21:59] | <chertzog> | so are you using vagrant for production hosting? |
| [04:22:03] | <ergonlogic> | but I haven't gotten around to those next steps yet |
| [04:22:36] | <ergonlogic> | not yet, but I ran the idea by Jack Pearkes from Hashicorp, and he validated its sanity |
| [04:22:48] | <chertzog> | ok |
| [04:23:07] | <ergonlogic> | vagrant is moving towards production, rather than just for dev/test |
| [04:23:15] | <chertzog> | awesome |
| [04:23:21] | <ergonlogic> | indeed :) |
| [04:23:51] | <ergonlogic> | I had previously wrapped drush around vagrant in drush-vagrant |
| [04:24:09] | <ergonlogic> | I plane to re-write that as provision_vagrant, basically |
| [04:24:20] | <ergonlogic> | or provision_pirate, maybe |
| [04:24:25] | <chertzog> | cool |
| [04:24:48] | <ergonlogic> | I don't know when I'll have a chance though, so feel free to takea stab at it |
| [04:24:57] | <ergonlogic> | if you're feeling adventurous |
| [04:25:39] | <chertzog> | i was toying around with the idea of having a plugable option for using cloud servers with aegir. for instance have hosting_cloud_servers, then hosting_cloud_servers_rackspace |
| [04:25:55] | <chertzog> | and allowing aegir to spin up new server instances from an image |
| [04:29:36] | <chertzog> | next question. i know the BOA project has a parent/child relationship between the master and slave aegir installs, but neither install knows about the other. is there anything inheritently wrong with getting aegir to provision new aegir installs? |
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| [04:34:44] | <ergonlogic> | no, it should be fine |
| [04:35:01] | <ergonlogic> | having them on the same server is perhaps questionable |
| [04:35:21] | <chertzog> | yeah. i was thinking of having them on their own machines |
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| [04:36:17] | <chertzog> | the idea was for a re-seller model where the reseller would get their own customized aegir install that was provisioned via a master aegir |
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