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| [12:24:14] | <cweagans> | helmo: ping |
| [12:24:22] | <cweagans> | or ergonlogic |
| [12:26:44] | <cweagans> | Nice to see some new faces in this room :) |
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| [13:07:03] | <msound> | cweagans: was playing with guestbook example in kubernetes and running to IP routing problem. my service is in 10.247.x.y and there is no route to it in my `netstat -rn`. am going to dig into it later. good night! |
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| [23:09:31] | * bgm code sprinting from the train |
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| [23:10:14] | <bgm> | and i had not realized it's pretty trivial to add both nginx and apache on the same dev machine, with two platforms, so I can quickly test my code on both webservers |
| [23:19:45] | <bgm> | gboudrias: did you make it? |
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| [02:15:42] | * ergonlogic and helmo are working on releasing Aegir 3.0 today |
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| [02:48:06] | <gboudrias> | bgm: I'm in the train, yeah, your wagon was overflowing so I'm wo wagons further, past the Café cart |
| [02:48:11] | <gboudrias> | two* |
| [02:48:33] | <gboudrias> | ergonlogic: No release candidate? |
| [02:48:47] | <ergonlogic> | we did rc1 a couple days ago |
| [02:49:00] | <gboudrias> | oh I thought the package didn't work, sorry my bad |
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| [02:49:19] | <ergonlogic> | umm... why did you think that? |
| [02:49:22] | <gboudrias> | Although all the people who would have been testing it were at the camp |
| [02:49:29] | <ergonlogic> | have you heard something that I haven't |
| [02:49:31] | <gboudrias> | Probably something I misheard |
| [02:49:34] | <ergonlogic> | ok |
| [02:49:34] | <cweagans> | hefring: log pointer? |
| [02:49:34] | <hefring> | http://hefring.mig5.net/bot/log/aegir/2015-07-19#T578680 |
| [02:49:39] | <cweagans> | hey guys |
| [02:49:48] | <ergonlogic> | hi Cameron |
| [02:49:51] | <cweagans> | I'm at the airport and I have a bit of time :) |
| [02:50:24] | <ergonlogic> | ok, so I'm just dropping some release for the golden contrib |
| [02:50:34] | <ergonlogic> | then some cleanup of th makefiles |
| [02:50:45] | <cweagans> | hefring: tell msound I haven't done the guestbook example yet, but that might be a good question for #kubernetes |
| [02:50:46] | <hefring> | cweagans: I'll pass that on when msound is around. |
| [02:51:07] | <ergonlogic> | we fixed one critical, and de-prioritized the other |
| [02:51:24] | <ergonlogic> | the one we fixed was where we were piping tar into gzip |
| [02:51:37] | <ergonlogic> | which is really only for Solaris, iirc |
| [02:51:51] | <ergonlogic> | anyway, it was suppressing errors, if tar failed |
| [02:52:01] | <ergonlogic> | which just isn't acceptable for our backups |
| [02:52:31] | <cweagans> | ergonlogic: are we just fixing criticals before release? |
| [02:52:42] | <ergonlogic> | we need to avoid piping stuff when we're doing system calls |
| [02:52:57] | <ergonlogic> | well, those were the priorities |
| [02:53:09] | <ergonlogic> | but feel free to tackle anything else you'd like to see in 3.0 |
| [02:53:32] | <ergonlogic> | as long as it'll have no risk to overall stability |
| [02:53:47] | <ergonlogic> | that's the main reason we de-prioritized the other bug |
| [02:54:42] | <cweagans> | The big thing that I wanted to do before 3.0 was a new theme (or at least a significant refactor of eldir), but that could very well wait until a 3.1 release or even just do it in contrib. |
| [02:54:49] | <cweagans> | and then perhaps bring it into aegir core later |
| [02:55:02] | <ergonlogic> | https://www.drupal.org/node/2389587, was what I was referring to, btw |
| [02:55:03] | <hefring> | https://www.drupal.org/node/2389587 => Context options are not updated in the alias (back-end) when new value is either 0, FALSE or and empty string [#2389587] => 2 comments, 1 IRC mention |
| [02:55:04] | <cweagans> | responsiveness is the big thing, though I don't know how important it is. |
| [02:55:19] | <ergonlogic> | you're welcome to do so |
| [02:56:13] | <cweagans> | Eh. Honestly, it's probably not gonna happen. Other things are more important to me, particularly because I don't run 3.x anywhere right now |
| [02:56:26] | <ergonlogic> | right |
| [02:56:27] | <cweagans> | But for D8, might be a nice thing to think about since we get so much out of the box |
| [02:56:36] | <ergonlogic> | ok |
| [02:57:09] | <cweagans> | ergonlogic: wanted to run something by you if you have a sec |
| [02:57:14] | <cweagans> | might be easier via hangout or join.me though |
| [02:57:26] | <ergonlogic> | so, if you did want to refactor eldir, then maybe make it contrib |
| [02:57:38] | <cweagans> | yeah, for sure |
| [02:57:40] | <ergonlogic> | I'm in the sprint room, which'll make that a bit tough |
| [02:57:58] | <cweagans> | Alright, I'll try to present the sparknotes version here |
| [02:58:54] | <cweagans> | So you can run Kubernetes on top of Mesos. While I'm not particularly excited about adding yet-another-giant-dependency to our D8 stack, Mesos would make Aegir a lot more portable. |
| [02:59:06] | <cweagans> | https://mesos.apache.org/ |
| [02:59:42] | <cweagans> | In any case, though, if we don't have it as a default dependency, we could recommend it if people are having trouble getting Kubernetes up and running by itself |
| [02:59:44] | <ergonlogic> | yeah, I saw that in the kubernetes docs |
| [03:00:29] | <cweagans> | Another cool thing - https://digitalocean.mesosphere.com/ |
| [03:01:06] | <cweagans> | You can spin up a ready-to-go Mesos cluster on Digital Ocean with one click |
| [03:01:14] | <cweagans> | which means that it'd be super easy |
| [03:01:35] | <cweagans> | so anyway, my question is, should we recommend this and/or should we worry about developing Aegir NG with this in mind? |
| [03:02:33] | <ergonlogic> | well, if the default is a stack that helps to abstract all the complex bit, I'm all for it |
| [03:02:50] | <ergonlogic> | in the long run, we'd probably want to help support getting closer to the metal |
| [03:03:14] | <ergonlogic> | but initially, we need to bootstrap the whole thing as easily as possible |
| [03:04:03] | <ergonlogic> | mesos looks like it's just a package install for centos and ubuntu |
| [03:04:29] | <ergonlogic> | so yeah, I like the idea |
| [03:04:50] | <cweagans> | Okay, cool :) |
| [03:05:42] | <ergonlogic> | it seems to me that it'd only be larger hosting-oriented folks that'd be particularly interested in a more bare-metal approach anyway |
| [03:06:27] | <ergonlogic> | mlhess is looking at moving his work to ceph, btw |
| [03:06:49] | <ergonlogic> | despite being harder to get running than gluster |
| [03:06:55] | <ergonlogic> | I think for performance reasons |
| [03:07:28] | <ergonlogic> | he figures to be ready to do a demo in a week or so |
| [03:09:31] | <ergonlogic> | I misread http://mesos.apache.org/gettingstarted/ |
| [03:09:51] | <ergonlogic> | there aren't packages for mesos, afaict |
| [03:11:07] | <ergonlogic> | cweagans: had you started any docs on the components of the new stack or anything? |
| [03:11:40] | <ergonlogic> | also, I met a guy from provonix yesterday who's interested in helping too |
| [03:11:56] | <ergonlogic> | they're looking at moving to kubernetes, and are just getting started |
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| [03:14:22] | <ergonlogic> | sorry, pronovix |
| [03:16:33] | <ergonlogic> | hefring: log pointer |
| [03:16:33] | <hefring> | http://hefring.mig5.net/bot/log/aegir/2015-07-19#T578742 |
| [03:52:43] | <gboudrias> | Do we have reports on rc1? I'm doubtful that anyone else has had time to test it (I for one couldn't) |
| [03:53:02] | <gboudrias> | (sorry, internet is pretty flaky on this train) |
| [03:54:19] | <gboudrias> | ergonlogic: ^ |
| [03:54:41] | <ergonlogic> | no complaints, anyway |
| [03:55:11] | <gboudrias> | Alright cool, I can't really help from here anyway |
| [03:55:17] | <gboudrias> | Good luck :) |
| [03:55:20] | <ergonlogic> | helmo and I have been running it production for months |
| [03:55:25] | <gboudrias> | Good point |
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| [04:39:06] | <cweagans> | Okay, finally got connected in air |
| [04:39:33] | <cweagans> | Sorry for the sudden disconnect. EWR only has 30 min of free wifi, and the next tier up is 24 hours for some stupid price. |
| [04:39:38] | <cweagans> | anyway, I'll be online as long as my battery allows |
| [04:40:00] | <cweagans> | hefring: log pointer? |
| [04:40:00] | <hefring> | http://hefring.mig5.net/bot/log/aegir/2015-07-19#T578758 |
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| [04:41:40] | <cweagans> | ergonlogic: Re Ceph, awesome. I put together some really informal docs just now, but it's more in the form of PM type stuff |
| [04:41:57] | <cweagans> | I can put it up on Hackpad if that would be okay |
| [04:46:50] | <cweagans> | ergonlogic: https://aegir.hackpad.com/Aegir-NG-Project-Planning-muI8fzrnlCx |
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| [05:26:06] | <bgm> | is there a forum for discussions on aegirng? |
| [05:27:23] | <bgm> | cweagans: for places with 30 mins free wifi, you can change your mac address :) |
| [05:27:56] | <cweagans> | bgm: no forum as of yet |
| [05:28:19] | <cweagans> | bgm: we're in the process of splitting out our community site into other services that we don't have to maintain (readthedocs, stackexchange, etc) |
| [05:28:25] | <cweagans> | bgm: might try to open up a mailing list though |
| [05:28:34] | <cweagans> | bgm: and that's a good time on the mac address :) |
| [05:29:01] | <bgm> | yep, stack exchange is good for QA/support, but not for general discussions |
| [05:29:24] | <cweagans> | right. ergonlogic: do we have a general (non-core) aegir mailing list? |
| [05:30:06] | <bgm> | (fwiw, re:SE:, civicrm used drupal.stackexchange for a while, before creating civicrm.SE. the process took almost a year) |
| [05:31:11] | <cweagans> | yeah, we figured that would happen. We're just gonna use the Drupal SE with an aegir tag |
| [05:31:17] | <cweagans> | then try to get an area 51 from there |
| [05:32:38] | <bgm> | sorry i skipped out during the panel/discussions. it was interesting, but I have to admit it was all over the place in terms of use-cases |
| [05:33:21] | <cweagans> | bgm: yeah. we had some more focused discussion afterward. |
| [05:33:27] | <bgm> | i.e. mass hosting, vs dev/ops, and small ressources vs lots of ressources (and/or AWS) |
| [05:34:34] | <cweagans> | bgm: supporting anything and everything is clearly not a well defined path forward, so the path that we're going down right now is to build a thin layer on top of kubernetes that's really good at managing a large number of containers (of any kind) and is more or less API driven. From there, we can build different UIs on top of that. |
| [05:35:33] | <bgm> | where would the logic for upgrade/migrate/cron be in? |
| [05:35:41] | <bgm> | (wifi here might cut any time, at customs) |
| [05:37:23] | <bgm> | ps: was great to meet everyone in person :) |
| [05:38:55] | <cweagans> | bgm: ideally, we won't have that logic, or if we do, it'll be very very minimal. Part of the problem with current Aegir is that it knows *way* too much about Drupal, and we get really overloaded maintaining all the Drupal specific stuff. |
| [05:39:53] | <cweagans> | So if Drupal is deployed with a composer.json and a PHP buildpack, all you'd have to do is re-deploy the app, and as part of building the container, Drupal will be upgraded if your composer.json version setting is correct. |
| [05:40:08] | <bgm> | yeah, but in a way, aegir is a set of best practices for drupal (and civicrm) hosting. |
| [05:40:17] | <bgm> | there aren't tons of ressources for that out there |
| [05:40:22] | <bgm> | (same for civicrm) |
| [05:40:39] | <cweagans> | bgm: Yes. But best practices for Drupal overlap pretty significantly with best practices for every other PHP application. There's just a small amount of "extra" stuff that Drupal does. |
| [05:40:54] | <cweagans> | And if you think about it, the high level concepts are basically the same as something like Laravel |
| [05:41:43] | <bgm> | I guess I don't know how dep it goes for drupal. the civicrm integration code is pretty small |
| [05:42:01] | <cweagans> | for instance, there's always post-deploy tasks to run. In Drupal, those might be `drush updb`, `drush fr-all`, `drush cc all`, `drush rr`, etc. In Laravel, those might be `php artisan migrate` and some other things I don't know offhand |
| [05:42:12] | <bgm> | i.e. declare which paths are should not be web-accessible, executable, .. file permissions, and how to call upgrades |
| [05:42:33] | <cweagans> | Yeah, that's an app-level thing, though. Not a platform thing. In other words, Aegir won't dictate that. |
| [05:42:50] | <cweagans> | We can recommend settings, but they won't be just "done" for you like they are now |
| [05:42:55] | <cweagans> | or maybe they will be |
| [05:42:59] | <cweagans> | who knows until we get there? |
| [05:43:16] | <bgm> | it would be a bit weird if it didn't :) |
| [05:43:16] | <cweagans> | The point is, we need to stop treating Drupal like a special thing. It's just a PHP application, albeit a complicated one. |
| [05:43:27] | <bgm> | yep |
| [05:43:56] | <bgm> | well, that's why i like to bring up the issues of civicrm and wordpress |
| [05:44:09] | <cweagans> | Why is that? If we're supporting general PHP deployment (and not just Drupal), then the settings that we enforce for Drupal would be totally different from the ones that we have for Laravel. Then we'd have to integrate with every php thing out there, not to mention other langs. |
| [05:44:25] | <bgm> | most of the logic is in their respective tools, just need a few bits of glue to link stuff together, and decide on best practices |
| [05:44:50] | <bgm> | well, there are already lots of deployment tools out there |
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| [05:45:15] | <bgm> | if I have to choose between aegirng and something else, aegirng will have to compete with more advanced/stable solutions |
| [05:45:32] | <bgm> | similar to the Puppet rewrite.. lots of folks just switched to ansible instead |
| [05:46:27] | <cweagans> | imo, tasks specific to the application being deployed should happen at the buildpack level. If you want Drupal specific stuff, use something like https://github.com/patcon/heroku-buildpack-php-drupal. This way, the core platform (container engine, cluster scheduler, etc) won't have to worry about it |
| [05:46:33] | <cweagans> | ccccccethfvvirivftvjhdjcfhvjietuubehlcjvvgbc |
| [05:46:38] | <cweagans> | ugh. damn yubikey. |
| [05:47:48] | <bgm> | what's the gap that AegirNG is filling, in the current market? |
| [05:48:06] | <bgm> | (by 'market' i mean eco system of FOSS solutions, of course :-) |
| [05:48:34] | <cweagans> | If you deployed Kubernetes on a server cluster, would you have any idea what to do with it without a ton of very deep, technical reading? |
| [05:49:29] | <cweagans> | More to the point, how difficult is it for you to scale your applications on whatever computing resources you have available to you? |
| [05:49:39] | <cweagans> | Those are the low-level goals. |
| [05:49:45] | <bgm> | ok |
| [05:50:00] | <cweagans> | High level, eventual goals are to enable easy mass hosting and also (separately) development workflows a la Pantheon. |
| [05:50:02] | <bgm> | i'm a bit old school :) |
| [05:50:32] | <bgm> | (i'm not saying that as a positive thing) |
| [05:51:17] | <bgm> | so: to help drupal farms scale, and to help with dev workflows? |
| [05:51:36] | <cweagans> | eventually. we have to get the lower-level stuff working first though. |
| [05:51:41] | <bgm> | k |
| [05:53:48] | <bgm> | i have to admit the kubernetes sites looks a bit.. well, it seems like sometimes these solutions just abstract the problem as: now that we have near infinit computing, we shouldn't worry too much about the details |
| [05:54:22] | <bgm> | which is probably very valid for big shops.. easier to expact the AWS slider, than to deal with sysadmins who'll tweak things |
| [05:54:45] | <bgm> | expand* |
| [05:57:40] | <bgm> | hmm, anyway, many tangents, thanks for the clarifications :) |
| [05:58:18] | <bgm> | i keep wondering on where to focus dev efforts, but will keep focussing on aegir 3 |
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| [06:07:02] | <cweagans> | bgm: aegir 3 will be a good target to focus on for a long time. It's not going anywhere. |
| [06:08:22] | <cweagans> | bgm: as far as kubernetes goes, it simplifies a lot of things wrt scaling. Rather than installing a bunch of software on a server, configuring it the same, manually adding it to your LB config, etc, you just add a new node to your Kubernetes cluster and tell it to rebalance the load and add more containers for whatever app is getting a lot of traffic. |
| [06:08:41] | <cweagans> | for small sites, it may not make a lot of sense, but then again, using the same tools whether you're really small or really big is pretty valuable |
| [06:09:01] | <cweagans> | makes it so that people can learn the tools in a smaller, more manageable environment |
| [06:11:28] | <bgm> | yep, agreed, that's why i run aegir on farm servers, as well as VPS with 1 site only |
| [06:18:08] | <gusaus> | damn - so much i’m missing out on there in nyc - looks like some fantastic progress |
| [06:20:00] | <cweagans> | gusaus: We're gonna document it all. Don't worry :) |
| [06:20:26] | <cweagans> | gusaus: also, we're going to have weekly checkin calls. Hopefully, they will be recorded, so you'll be able to see what's going on. |
| [06:20:41] | <cweagans> | Possibly done with Hangouts on Air, so they can be broadcasted live. |
| [06:21:09] | <gusaus> | cweagans: i found the link to what you started in the backscroll https://aegir.hackpad.com/Aegir-NG-Project-Planning-muI8fzrnlCx |
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| [06:27:30] | <gusaus> | cweagans: with regards to fundraising/fiscal sponsorship, has anyone connected w/ mlncn regarding this https://groups.drupal.org/node/190094 |
| [06:27:30] | <hefring> | https://groups.drupal.org/node/190094 => Snowball Charter => 2 comments, 1 IRC mention |
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| [06:30:33] | <cweagans> | gusaus: no. Fiscal sponsorship is not that. |
| [06:31:06] | <cweagans> | gusaus: we want to operate under the umbrella of an established 501c3 so that people can make tax-deductible donations. |
| [06:31:23] | <cweagans> | And also have a legal entity that can register trademarks and such |
| [06:31:33] | <cweagans> | Basically, this: https://sfconservancy.org/members/services/ |
| [06:32:11] | <gusaus> | cweagans: agreed, but there already is a nonprofit behind that effort (assuming that moves forward again) |
| [06:32:33] | <cweagans> | I don't see that anywhere :( |
| [06:33:23] | <gusaus> | probably cuz that wiki (along w/ the effort is a bit outdated) |
| [06:34:26] | <gusaus> | cweagans: http://visionsunite.org/snowball |
| [06:34:42] | <gusaus> | http://visionsunite.org/people-who-give-a-damn-inc |
| [06:37:01] | <cweagans> | How does that compare with the SF Conservancy services? Particularly around legal, asset stewardship, contract negotiation, and liability protection? |
| [06:38:52] | <gusaus> | cweagans: those will be really good questions for ben - not sure that’s all been figured out as the project stalled a few years ago |
| [06:39:33] | <cweagans> | to be honest, the fact that those things are not figured out and publicly advertised makes me extremely nervous. |
| [06:39:54] | <cweagans> | Not personal, but from a project continuance standpoint. |
| [06:40:04] | <cweagans> | Also, the project stalling...well, that's not good either. |
| [06:40:33] | <cweagans> | We can talk about it, but those are my personal feelings. ergonlogic might have a different opinion. |
| [06:42:46] | <bgm> | cweagans: wouldn't the target for donations be companies, not individuals? |
| [06:42:47] | <gusaus> | cweagans: agreed - i don’t think there’s a structure in place for everything you need right now |
| [06:43:15] | <cweagans> | bgm: I'm not sure what you mean? |
| [06:43:33] | <cweagans> | Yes, companies would be the primary donors (presumably) |
| [06:44:02] | <cweagans> | bgm: Oh, is that related to "so that people can make tax-deductible donations"? |
| [06:44:04] | <bgm> | cweagans: for companies, supporting aegir can be a business expense, doesn't need to be a donation? |
| [06:44:07] | <bgm> | yep |
| [06:44:27] | <bgm> | well, i don't know much about the US situation. In canada it's pretty much impossible to have tax-deductible donations for software |
| [06:44:41] | <bgm> | the requirements for charitative donations are very high |
| [06:44:48] | <cweagans> | bgm: it depends on how it's listed on their accounts payable, but this would allow them to set up, for instance, a recurring donation to a nonprofit. |
| [06:44:53] | <bgm> | and CiviCRM, for example, operates as an LLC |
| [06:45:04] | <bgm> | ok |
| [06:45:05] | <cweagans> | they're pretty high here too, which is why we don't want to operate our own 501c3 |
| [06:45:07] | <cweagans> | (nonprofit corp) |
| [06:46:58] | <bgm> | ok |
| [06:47:08] | <bgm> | sfconservancy seems interesting indeed |
| [06:48:44] | <cweagans> | Ran across this: http://www.gnu.org/help/evaluation.html --- our dependencies for AegirNG are Apache licensed for the most part, and Aegir 3 is obviously all GPL, so we qualify there. I don't like the idea of writing all of our docs in Texinfo and having to conform to the GNU installer standards, though. Aegir is going to be enough of a beast to install already without having to figure out how to fit it into their installer mindset. |
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| [06:52:40] | <ergonlogic> | sorry, guys, we've had blinders on testing Aegir 2->3 upgrades and such |
| [06:52:52] | <ergonlogic> | BTW, Aegir 3.0 is now released |
| [06:53:46] | <ergonlogic> | Aegir hosting system 3.0 released! http://community.aegirproject.org/3.0 | Issue queues: http://community.aegirproject.org/issues | Please read this before asking: http://community.aegirproject.org/help | Planning for AegirNG has begun: http://tinyurl.com/aegirng |
| [06:54:02] | * ergonlogic has changed the topic to Aegir hosting system 3.0 released! http://community.aegirproject.org/3.0 | Issue queues: http://community.aegirproject.org/issues | Please read this before asking: http://community.aegirproject.org/help | Planning for AegirNG has begun: http://tinyurl.com/aegirng |
| [06:54:58] | <ergonlogic> | cweagans: fair enough, re GNU. fsconservancy is still an option, presumably |
| [06:55:05] | <cweagans> | ya |
| [06:55:11] | <cweagans> | Yay! |
| [07:03:41] | <gusaus> | cweagans: in looking at https://sfconservancy.org/about/ i’d say that would probably be a better option than an org that doesn’t have any of that sorted out :) |
| [07:04:28] | <cweagans> | :) |
| [07:07:49] | <ergonlogic> | we're going to pack up here before we get kicked out |
| [07:07:56] | <ergonlogic> | then head to the airports |
| [07:08:09] | <ergonlogic> | This was a great event |
| [07:08:30] | <ergonlogic> | it's unfortunate that niccolox doesn't do IRC |
| [07:08:41] | <ergonlogic> | he really deserves tremendous kudos |
| [07:08:48] | <cweagans> | no kidding! |
| [07:08:49] | <ergonlogic> | I'll do it on twitter |
| [07:09:04] | <cweagans> | ergonlogic: are you by helmo? |
| [07:09:12] | <ergonlogic> | he's right here |
| [07:09:12] | <cweagans> | (or is helmo looking @ IRC now?) |
| [07:09:20] | <cweagans> | I still can't send to the mailing list :( |
| [07:09:35] | <helmo> | cweagans: I'll check |
| [07:12:04] | <helmo> | cweagans: did you get the confirmation message earlier? |
| [07:12:16] | <cweagans> | no |
| [07:12:19] | <helmo> | hmm |
| [07:12:33] | <cweagans> | want to try updating the address again? |
| [07:12:37] | <cweagans> | it's: |
| [07:12:40] | <cweagans> | me@cweagans.net |
| [07:14:11] | <ergonlogic> | how about now? |
| [07:14:26] | <cweagans> | that one, I got |
| [07:14:46] | <helmo> | both addressess are now on the list |
| [07:15:04] | <cweagans> | both? |
| [07:15:12] | <cweagans> | oh, @gmail and @cweagans.net ? |
| [07:15:18] | <helmo> | yes I just added the new one |
| [07:15:21] | <cweagans> | ah, okay |
| [07:15:47] | <helmo> | We're packing up here. It was a nice camp |
| [07:16:24] | <ergonlogic> | take care all |
| [07:16:25] | <cweagans> | Thanks helmo! |
| [07:16:28] | <cweagans> | later everyone! |
| [07:16:33] | <cweagans> | travel safe |
| [07:16:37] | <cweagans> | ly |
| [07:16:40] | <ergonlogic> | fyi, I'm camping all week |
| [07:17:22] | <cweagans> | as in tent camping? Or as in nyccamp-style camping? |
| [07:17:24] | <ergonlogic> | but I'll catch up on whatever you all will have done when I get bck :) |
| [07:17:31] | <ergonlogic> | tent camping |
| [07:17:39] | <cweagans> | fun! |
| [07:17:42] | <ergonlogic> | I've had about enough of the other kind for a while :p |
| [07:17:50] | <cweagans> | haha |
| [07:17:53] | <cweagans> | I hear that |
| [07:18:02] | <cweagans> | alright, later everyone! |
| [07:18:08] | <ergonlogic> | bye |
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| [08:24:03] | <TheCodePoet> | I'll try to get Chuong and Luke on IRC this week. We're ready to hit the ground running on a new 8.x version of Rune and getting a "12 factor" platform for Drupal going. |
| [08:25:31] | <TheCodePoet> | Is anyone open to doing an NG hangout this upcoming week? I'd like to see if we can do on every couple weeks even if it is only 30 minutes just to make sure we are all in alignment and working together :) |
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| [09:28:14] | <Deciphered> | Congrats on 3.0 guys, awesome work. Constantly trying to get back to contributing, but never enough time for all my projects :| |
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