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| [14:58:40] | <ergonlogic> | hefring: tell cweagans reading up on openshift |
| [14:58:40] | <hefring> | ergonlogic: I'll pass that on when cweagans is around. |
| [14:59:08] | <ergonlogic> | it does look like they'Ve solved a number of the problems we were looking to address |
| [14:59:21] | <ergonlogic> | too bad it's so rhel-centric |
| [15:03:28] | <ergonlogic> | hmm, looks like ansibl tower has been open-sourced too |
| [15:03:33] | <ergonlogic> | http://docs.ansible.com/ansible-tower/latest/html/installandreference/in... |
| [15:06:22] | <ergonlogic> | wtf? "Thank you for your interest in Ansible Tower, the open source IT orchestration engine. [... meanwhile on the licensing page... ] Tower is a proprietary software product and is licensed on an annual subscription basis. |
| [15:10:32] | <ergonlogic> | fwiw, one of the reasons I took the direction I did with Ràn is the wild west aspect of the container landscape |
| [15:11:25] | <ergonlogic> | it's evolving sooo fast |
| [15:26:02] | <ergonlogic> | I figured to implement the best-practices we want to build atop these kinds of tools, without imposing policies, or otherwise baking in various assumptions, we'd have to go with a radically simple/generic mechanism for interacting with them. |
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| [04:33:01] | <cweagans> | . |
| [04:33:01] | <hefring> | cweagans: 13 hours 34 min ago <ergonlogic> tell cweagans reading up on openshift |
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| [09:07:48] | <ergonlogic> | cweagans: did you get anywhere with testing openshift? |
| [09:08:09] | <ergonlogic> | and 'hi' btw :) |
| [09:08:16] | <cweagans> | hi! |
| [09:08:24] | <cweagans> | and not really |
| [09:08:52] | <ergonlogic> | they still don't appear to have a persistent storage mechanism worked out |
| [09:09:12] | <ergonlogic> | they basically seem to say that advanced users can use ceph, gluster or nfs |
| [09:09:22] | <cweagans> | It's just kubernetes under the hood |
| [09:09:31] | <cweagans> | And kubernetes can handle it! |
| [09:11:14] | <ergonlogic> | I'm working mostly off of https://github.com/openshift/openshift-pep/blob/master/openshift-pep-013... |
| [09:14:42] | <ergonlogic> | stateful services still seem to be an after-thought: https://github.com/openshift/openshift-pep/blob/master/openshift-pep-013... |
| [09:15:52] | <ergonlogic> | https://github.com/openshift/openshift-pep/blob/master/openshift-pep-013... |
| [09:19:11] | <ergonlogic> | project-atomic appears to be rhel/centos-specific primarily due to a pack of dpkg-ostree (or apt-ostree, maybe) |
| [09:19:40] | <cweagans> | ergonlogic: if we build on top of Open Shift, maybe that's a gap we can fill as a value add. We'll have some more work to do up front, but later, we'll (hopefully) be able to rip out that code when OpenShift supports persistent storage directly. |
| [09:20:26] | <ergonlogic> | right |
| [09:20:49] | <ergonlogic> | their drupal support (at least, the drupal-quickstart) looks pretty rudimentary |
| [09:20:57] | <ergonlogic> | so we could provide some vlaue there too |
| [09:21:50] | <ergonlogic> | since it's a RH project, there won't likely be a lot of support to get dpkg/apt working w/ atomic |
| [09:25:12] | <cweagans> | ergonlogic: We don't need to use atomic. Open Shift can be deployed on top of any Kubernetes cluster |
| [09:25:44] | <ergonlogic> | https://blog.docker.com/2015/02/the-new-minimalist-operating-systems/ |
| [09:26:02] | <ergonlogic> | that'd put my mind at ease |
| [09:26:04] | <ergonlogic> | are you sure? |
| [09:26:56] | <ergonlogic> | I thought ostree was pretty core to their image-building facility |
| [09:28:14] | <cweagans> | http://kubernetes.io/v1.0/examples/openshift-origin/README.html |
| [09:33:58] | <ergonlogic> | ok, so atomic looks like an optimization, to squeeze as many containers onto a host as possible |
| [09:34:13] | <ergonlogic> | and simplify host deployments/updates |
| [09:34:44] | <ergonlogic> | afaict: https://blog.openshift.com/geard-the-intersection-of-paas-docker-and-pro... |
| [09:35:40] | <ergonlogic> | hmm, that's from last year, so maybe no longer relevant :P |
| [09:36:11] | <cweagans> | Yeah, Geard is from the old version of openshift |
| [09:36:15] | <cweagans> | (the non-kubernetes one) |
| [09:36:22] | <ergonlogic> | right |
| [09:36:49] | <ergonlogic> | v3 was only announce in dec/14, iirc |
| [09:37:23] | <cweagans> | Yeah |
| [09:37:27] | <cweagans> | It's still really new |
| [09:38:20] | <ergonlogic> | ok, so it's OpenShift Origin |
| [09:38:36] | <ergonlogic> | v1.0.0 came out all the way back in June! :P |
