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| [10:03:49] | <gboudrias> | cweagans: Thanks, mostly I'm wondering in anything's changed since Aegir2 in that regard (since you can now do it from the module directory, but I can't seem to get the thing working) |
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| [10:33:14] | <ergonlogic> | gboudrias: take a look at http://github.com/getvalkyrie/hosting_s3 |
| [10:33:25] | <gboudrias> | ergonlogic: Cool, thanks! |
| [10:34:01] | <ergonlogic> | hefring: tell cweagans I'll be back online later tonight, and I'll make time for aegirproject.org |
| [10:34:01] | <hefring> | ergonlogic: I'll pass that on when cweagans is around. |
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| [12:35:45] | <gboudrias> | Finally got it to work |
| [12:36:31] | <gboudrias> | (The main problem was with the folder structure for the class) |
| [12:36:58] | <gboudrias> | I should probably document this a bit more |
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| [12:57:33] | <ergonlogic> | gboudrias: we should really merge the provision examples into the hosting ones |
| [12:57:42] | <ergonlogic> | since that's how contrib is intended to work now |
| [12:57:43] | <gboudrias> | Indeed |
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| [13:26:36] | <cweagans> | . |
| [13:26:36] | <hefring> | cweagans: 2 hours 52 min ago <ergonlogic> tell cweagans I'll be back online later tonight, and I'll make time for aegirproject.org |
| [13:27:19] | <cweagans> | ergonlogic: I'm around for a bit. Probably not very long - just took a muscle relaxer for my back pain, and they tend to knock me out pretty quick. |
| [13:28:26] | <cweagans> | The gist is this: I'm trying to put together some personas for the people that might visit aegirproject.org now and in the future. More specifically, I'm trying to figure out the audiences that we want to target with the messaging and copy on the site. Drupal.org has something like this - https://www.drupal.org/personas |
| [13:28:38] | <cweagans> | I started https://aegir.hackpad.com/Aegirproject.org-Strategy-Fa6e8yEQkMd |
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| [13:54:44] | <ergonlogic> | cweagans: hi, I'm doing some server maintenance, so I'm mostly just saying 'hi' |
| [13:54:57] | <ergonlogic> | ugh, back pain sucks |
| [13:55:16] | <ergonlogic> | I was laid up for 6 months a few years ago with a bulging disk |
| [13:55:19] | <cweagans> | no worries. i'm not all here, so i might let this wait till tomorrow |
| [13:55:24] | <cweagans> | ugh, that sounds horrible |
| [13:55:49] | <ergonlogic> | it was, but gave me the time to plow through the lion's share of the Aegir D7 upgrade |
| [13:55:52] | <cweagans> | this is muscle pain, thankfully, so flexiril pretty much nukes the pain from orbit, but also relaxes my brain. |
| [13:55:54] | <ergonlogic> | so, silver lining |
| [13:55:59] | <cweagans> | ha |
| [13:56:05] | <cweagans> | always looking on the bright side :) |
| [13:56:06] | <ergonlogic> | yeah, I hear you |
| [13:56:13] | <ergonlogic> | I try :) |
| [13:56:33] | <ergonlogic> | Also, I recently got the collector's edition of "Aliens" |
| [13:56:38] | <ergonlogic> | speaking of nuking from orbit |
| [13:57:16] | <ergonlogic> | ok, so for the personas, I'll take a closer look tomorrow, and provide some feedback |
| [13:57:24] | <ergonlogic> | or possibly later tonight |
| [13:57:43] | <ergonlogic> | tbh, on much of this stuff I feel pretty out-of-touch |
| [13:57:49] | <ergonlogic> | documentation and UI too |
| [13:57:51] | * cweagans too |
| [13:58:07] | <cweagans> | i can do docs and some ui, but web strategy is black magic |
| [13:58:12] | <ergonlogic> | I'm way to close to the inner workings to have any perspective |
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| [13:58:46] | <ergonlogic> | well, let's go as far as we can, and keep asking for help |
| [13:58:59] | <cweagans> | would you want to tweet on @aegirproject specifically asking for web strategy help? |
| [13:59:15] | <ergonlogic> | I'll talk to some consulting clients and such, to get their feedback |
| [13:59:21] | <ergonlogic> | good idea |
| [13:59:30] | <ergonlogic> | I owe a couple tweets |
| [13:59:49] | <ergonlogic> | since I think I forgot to tweet about the new mailing lists |
| [13:59:56] | <ergonlogic> | <sigh /> |
| [14:00:15] | <cweagans> | cool :) |
| [14:00:20] | <cweagans> | i'm gonna head to bed |
| [14:00:31] | <cweagans> | brain is pretty much done for the day |
| [14:00:32] | <ergonlogic> | anyway, we can borrow heavily on other libre software projects too, imo |
| [14:00:38] | <cweagans> | yeah, fo rsure |
| [14:00:54] | <ergonlogic> | yep, i'm going back to work before I run out of steam |
| [14:01:00] | <ergonlogic> | good night |
| [14:01:03] | <cweagans> | night! |
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| [03:29:12] | <ergonlogic> | hefring: tell cweagans I went through the personas/strategy hackpad and added what occurred to me immediately. I'll keep thinking about it though. |
| [03:29:12] | <hefring> | ergonlogic: I'll pass that on when cweagans is around. |
| [03:32:07] | <ergonlogic> | hefring: tell cweagans Also, I seem to only get hackpad notifications ~18 hours after they're posted... so don't hesitate to announce new pads, or significant changes on the mailing list and/or on IRC |
| [03:32:07] | <hefring> | ergonlogic: I'll pass that on when cweagans is around. |
| [03:33:50] | <formatC^vt> | if site requires a different caching system like memcached, this settings should be stored in local.settings.php? |
| [03:35:57] | <ergonlogic> | formatC^vt: generally, yes |
| [03:36:04] | <ergonlogic> | Aegir won't touch local.settings.php |
| [03:36:41] | <formatC^vt> | should i do this from command line, not from UI? |
| [03:37:01] | <ergonlogic> | there is no UI for writing to local.settings.php |
| [03:37:06] | <ergonlogic> | that I'm aware of anyway |
| [03:37:09] | <formatC^vt> | ok, thx =) |
| [03:38:44] | <ergonlogic> | if you're curious, https://github.com/GetValkyrie/hosting_s3 is a pretty good example of writing such config into settings.php from the UI (if I do say so myself :) |
| [03:39:22] | <ergonlogic> | in that case, we're also provisioning S3 buckets, and such |
| [03:39:50] | <ergonlogic> | but the site_data example module shows a minimalist implementation |
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| [03:46:47] | <ergonlogic> | hefring: tell cweagans Please make sure to formally thank lastpass for the enterprise account they've offered us. |
| [03:46:47] | <hefring> | ergonlogic: I'll pass that on when cweagans is around. |
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| [03:51:37] | <formatC^vt> | ergonlogic> and what do you think about this, we need this feature? something like local.settings.php editor or site form field with local.settings.php content |
| [03:52:28] | <ergonlogic> | formatC^vt: I believe there's already a contrib module to simplify adding settings to settings.php from the UI |
| [03:53:57] | <ergonlogic> | the problem with managing local.settings.php is that it's explicitely intended *not* to be managed by Aegir |
| [03:54:06] | <formatC^vt> | can you give me url to this module? =) |
| [03:54:20] | <ergonlogic> | like, in some of our workflows, local.settings.php gets committed into a site git repo |
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| [03:54:26] | <ergonlogic> | I'll take a look |
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| [03:55:46] | <ergonlogic> | ooh, someone wrote a chef cookbook: https://supermarket.chef.io/cookbooks/aegir3 |
| [03:55:49] | <ergonlogic> | neat! |
| [03:56:47] | <ergonlogic> | hmm, it should be here: http://community.aegirproject.org/contrib-modules |
| [03:56:54] | <ergonlogic> | but it doesn't look like it |
| [03:57:43] | <ergonlogic> | so, there's https://www.drupal.org/project/provision_profile_settings |
| [03:58:07] | <ergonlogic> | that's for Aegir 1/2 though |
| [03:58:15] | <ergonlogic> | but the Aegir API has remained mostly stable |
| [03:58:27] | <ergonlogic> | so shouldn't be too hard to adapt to Aegir 3 |
| [04:00:47] | <ergonlogic> | formatC^vt: https://github.com/EugenMayer/hosting_site_settings |
| [04:01:06] | <ergonlogic> | I haven't used it myself |
| [04:01:17] | <ergonlogic> | and it looks like it's for drupal6 |
| [04:01:52] | <formatC^vt> | yep, core = 6.x |
| [04:02:51] | <ergonlogic> | if you decide to hack on it, I can help get it working on aegir3 |
| [04:05:23] | <gboudrias> | ergonlogic: formatC^vt: I've been working on a "variables" module for Aegir3 before I realized hosting_site_settings exists |
| [04:05:34] | <gboudrias> | It's basically the same so I might rename it |
| [04:05:57] | <gboudrias> | That was only yesterday so I've yet to push it to github |
| [04:06:27] | <ergonlogic> | gboudrias: sure, that module looks abandoned and wa never published to d.o, afaict |
| [04:07:06] | <gboudrias> | yeah |
| [04:09:39] | <formatC^vt> | no problems, if someone else working on this i can wait =) |
| [04:12:40] | <formatC^vt> | also i'm not sure about settings.php for me, because of Sync task, servers must have equal config for this |
| [04:12:50] | <gboudrias> | Well, it's not finished yet, but I'll try and publish it soon |
| [04:12:55] | <gboudrias> | (this week) |
| [04:13:44] | <gboudrias> | formatC^vt: Would local.settings.php make a difference in that regard? |
| [04:15:11] | <formatC^vt> | i hope so =) |
| [04:15:39] | <ergonlogic> | if you're injecting settings, it should really go in setting.php |
| [04:15:47] | <ergonlogic> | and not the local.settings.php |
| [04:16:07] | <ergonlogic> | settings.php will get sync'd as part of a verify task |
| [04:16:30] | <gboudrias> | Well, I don't really understand the issue, but I'll make it with settings.php and you can see if it works or not |
| [04:17:03] | <gboudrias> | I guess it could be an option but I don't really understand the use case |
| [04:17:20] | <ergonlogic> | alternatively, you could add a line to setting.php similar to the include for local.settings.php, but with some other filename |
| [04:17:27] | <gboudrias> | (I personally just need to set site variables :)) |
| [04:17:27] | <ergonlogic> | custom.settings.php, or whatever |
| [04:17:54] | <ergonlogic> | right, which should go in settings.php, if manged by the aegir ui |
| [04:18:10] | <gboudrias> | Yeah hopefully we can cooperate and make something that works for everyone |
| [04:19:50] | <formatC^vt> | my case is sync between two sites - one with memcached ant two without, and don't mess up =) |
| [04:20:06] | <ergonlogic> | formatC^vt: sync task is really for content (files & db), not settings |
| [04:20:30] | <ergonlogic> | ok, so these are 3 sites, as far as Aegir is concerned? |
| [04:21:06] | <ergonlogic> | and you only want the custom settings to apply to one site? |
| [04:21:19] | <ergonlogic> | and *not* be sync'd by a sync task? |
| [04:21:26] | <formatC^vt> | yes, indeed |
| [04:21:47] | <ergonlogic> | then settings.php is the place to put these |
| [04:22:15] | <ergonlogic> | local.settings.php probably should be sync'd imo |
| [04:22:30] | <ergonlogic> | but then, I don't relly use that workflow right now |
| [04:27:07] | <formatC^vt> | ok, i'll wait for gboudrias module =) |
| [04:47:32] | <formatC^vt> | also i'm thinking about something like "sync source select limit", for limiting a list of sources for sync task. I've tried webshop before and i love this idea of connected sites |
| [04:53:50] | <ergonlogic> | formatC^vt: "webshop"? do you mean devshop? |
| [04:56:59] | <formatC^vt> | yes, devshop |
| [04:57:03] | <ergonlogic> | gboudrias: give some thought to the security implications of being able to inject arbitrary settings into hosted site |
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| [04:57:41] | <gboudrias> | ergonlogic: Hmm, well originally it was only for variables, I can't really think of a use case for anything else |
| [04:57:50] | <ergonlogic> | I'm not sure how it could be exploited off-hand... |
| [04:58:29] | <gboudrias> | Yeah me neither but I see what you mean, it just seems like injecting just any line into settings.php might be a bit loose |
| [04:59:02] | <ergonlogic> | ok, so just "$conf['$var_name'] = $var_value" essentially? |
| [04:59:06] | <gboudrias> | yeah |
| [04:59:16] | <ergonlogic> | ok, that makes sense |
| [04:59:23] | <gboudrias> | imo, if you know enough that you need to edit settings.php for other puproses, you can probably just edit local.settings.php |
| [04:59:57] | <gboudrias> | Actually I was thinking about it and it could be two different forms/features |
| [05:00:40] | <gboudrias> | Since it's really probably two pretty distinct use cases |
| [05:01:01] | <gboudrias> | I don't know, maybe I'm overthinking it |
| [05:01:40] | <ergonlogic> | what do you mean&? |
| [05:02:33] | <gboudrias> | I mean you could have the variable feature with little security implication, and a looser "settings" module |
| [05:02:52] | <gboudrias> | But I really can't think of a reason for a looser settings module. personally |
| [05:03:04] | <ergonlogic> | well, I'd suggest sticking with variables, and see how far that gets you |
| [05:03:05] | <ergonlogic> | right |
| [05:03:10] | <gboudrias> | Yeah, alright |
| [05:03:18] | <ergonlogic> | I've been doing some environment switching |
| [05:04:02] | <ergonlogic> | along the lines of: "if ($conf['environment'] == 'staging') {" |
| [05:04:12] | <gboudrias> | Interesting |
| [05:05:07] | <ergonlogic> | basic env integration: https://github.com/GetValkyrie/hosting_environment |
| [05:06:01] | <gboudrias> | Yeah pretty cool |
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| [07:03:25] | <cweagans> | . |
| [07:03:25] | <hefring> | cweagans: 3 hours 34 min ago <ergonlogic> tell cweagans I went through the personas/strategy hackpad and added what occurred to me immediately. I'll keep thinking about it though. |
| [07:03:25] | <hefring> | cweagans: 3 hours 31 min ago <ergonlogic> tell cweagans Also, I seem to only get hackpad notifications ~18 hours after they're posted... so don't hesitate to announce new pads, or significant changes on the mailing list and/or on IRC |
| [07:03:25] | <hefring> | cweagans: 3 hours 16 min ago <ergonlogic> tell cweagans Please make sure to formally thank lastpass for the enterprise account they've offered us. |
| [07:04:16] | <cweagans> | ergonlogic: definitely will do. They asked that we include them as a sponsor on our project page when we finish redesigning it, and I think that's totally reasonable. I thanked them personally, but we should tweet @Lastpass from the aegir project account. |
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| [07:24:32] | <formatC^vt> | ergonlogic> there are no ready solution for "sync source select limit"? |
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| [07:24:55] | <ergonlogic> | formatC^vt: I'm not really sure what you're asking? |
| [07:25:17] | <ergonlogic> | you mean to specify which sources are valid to sync from? |
| [07:25:25] | <ergonlogic> | for a given site |
| [07:25:27] | <formatC^vt> | yes |
| [07:26:05] | <ergonlogic> | I guess that'd be a feature request for hosting_task_extras |
| [07:27:08] | <ergonlogic> | one of the things I've encourged jonpugh to incorporate into Aegir is the 'Project' content type from devshop |
| [07:31:07] | <formatC^vt> | i think i can do this, and yes, there are two ways - port project content type implementation from devshop or just add a new setting to site form |
| [07:40:10] | <ergonlogic> | ideally it'd be flexible solution that simply provides relationships between sites |
| [07:40:37] | <ergonlogic> | platforms too could use relationships between them |
| [07:40:56] | <ergonlogic> | like being able to specify that one platform is an updated version of another |
| [07:42:04] | <ergonlogic> | so that sites could, for example, have an 'update' task that'd "know" what platform to migrate to |
| [07:43:04] | <ergonlogic> | we might want to see if OG can help here |
| [07:43:39] | <ergonlogic> | but, the simple solution would be to just add a field to sites that contained references to other sites that could be sync'd from |
| [07:44:14] | <ergonlogic> | just a node_reference field would probably do |
| [07:45:01] | <ergonlogic> | then use that field as the source for the sync task form |
| [07:46:56] | <gboudrias> | Platform relationships have been a pretty sweet idea for a long time |
| [07:47:49] | <gboudrias> | Especially some sort of indication that X is Y's "child platform" |
| [07:47:54] | <gboudrias> | Or successor or whatnot |
| [07:48:08] | <gboudrias> | But I've always seen it as more of a workflow thing (so, not a priority) |
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| [08:11:32] | <gboudrias> | formatC^vt: Okay I published it: https://www.drupal.org/project/hosting_variables |
| [08:11:45] | <gboudrias> | formatC^vt: I added you as a maintainer if you want to contribute :) |
| [08:11:50] | <gboudrias> | ergonlogic: helmo likewise |
| [08:12:20] | <gboudrias> | I'm off for now, if anyone else wants in just email me (gboudrias AT praxis.coop) |
| [08:12:37] | <gboudrias> | (Does that still confuse spambots? hmm) |
| [08:12:52] | <ergonlogic> | gboudrias: cool, I'll take a look |
| [08:13:12] | <gboudrias> | Awesome, see ya! |
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| [08:16:31] | <ergonlogic> | gboudrias: fyi, I set the default branch to 7.x-1.x |
| [08:19:03] | <formatC^vt> | thx =) |
| [08:25:36] | <formatC^vt> | gboudrias> there are no dev branch? |
| [08:25:49] | <formatC^vt> | i have something to commit =) |
| [08:26:13] | <ergonlogic> | formatC^vt: just start a new branch for the feature you want to implement |
| [08:26:55] | <ergonlogic> | gboudrias: I just pushed a 'cleanup' branch with a few whitespace and typo fixes. |
| [08:27:09] | <formatC^vt> | there are no new features, "FROM hosting_variables WHERE" should be "FROM {hosting_variables} WHERE" =) |
| [08:27:55] | <ergonlogic> | formatC^vt: assuming you've tested it, just push to 7.x-1.x |
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| [08:28:42] | <ergonlogic> | gboudrias: I didn't push to 7.x-1.x because I haven't tested and didn't want to introduce a regression out of carelessness |
| [08:28:59] | <ergonlogic> | I'll see about testing it out now though |
| [08:30:49] | <formatC^vt> | ok, i will test cleanup branch too |
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| [08:43:32] | <formatC^vt> | looks like working fine, but names a little confusing me =) |
| [08:45:15] | <formatC^vt> | Variable POST key -- may be just Variable key? Drupal variable name - Variable value |
| [08:53:27] | <ergonlogic> | formatC^vt: yeah, POST is probably left over from a copy/paste |
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