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| [01:47:03] | <cweagans> | ergonlogic: hi there! sorry for bugging you on the weekend. it's just as well - I was sort of away as well :) Been working on a client project, and we're rearchitecting their hosting stuff. They want to go with Kubernetes, and I think there might be some overlap with Aegir 4, even though they aren't using Openshift. |
| [01:48:04] | <cweagans> | ergonlogic: Since we need to figure out persistent files for Aegir 4, I thought I'd talk with you first, as I seem to remember you saying something about GlusterFS vs Ceph speed, but I can't quite remember, and most of the web results I've found say that Ceph and Gluster are pretty comparable in read/write speed |
| [01:48:38] | <cweagans> | ergonlogic: the fallback, of course, is NFS barring any other better options. |
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| [05:39:31] | <ergonlogic> | cweagans: hi! anarcat did some research and benchmarking of gluster for HA a few months ago. It wasn't promising. I believe Ceph is more promising from that regard. |
| [05:39:47] | <ergonlogic> | I'll see if I can share the results of that with you. |
| [06:00:55] | <ergonlogic> | cweagans: I just sent along that research, and some background info to put it in context. Having just reviewed it, it looks like performance wasn't the main issue we'd run into, but rather reliability that wasn't sufficient for the level of high-availability that this client was insisting on. |
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| [06:45:40] | <cweagans> | ergonlogic: thanks for the info! I'll go through it today. It kind of seems like there aren't any good options if you want 1) multiple AZ HA and 2) self hosted files. |
| [06:47:01] | <cweagans> | IMO, Aegir 4 should be able to self-host files and optionally outsource that to S3 (and not the other way around), so figuring out this problem for my client will hopefully figure it out for Aegir too. |
| [06:53:41] | <ergonlogic> | cweagans: The problem appears mostly to be that reliability ends up limited by the WAN link |
| [06:53:44] | <ergonlogic> | http://tracker.ceph.com/projects/ceph/wiki/Can_Ceph_Support_Multiple_Dat... |
| [06:54:15] | <ergonlogic> | I suspect that dedicated bandwidth b/w datacenters would resolve the issue |
| [06:54:30] | <ergonlogic> | but that's a pretty high-end solution, at this point |
| [06:56:29] | <ergonlogic> | Swift looks promising too: https://swiftstack.com/blog/2012/09/16/globally-distributed-openstack-sw... |
| [07:04:30] | <ergonlogic> | I certainly wouldn't want to make S3 a requirement. However, both Ceph and Swift have S3-compatible APIs. |
| [07:06:06] | <ergonlogic> | I think at this point it's: "Highly available, performant, affordable; pick two." |
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