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| [01:03:31] | <helmo> | Hi all |
| [01:03:35] | <gboudrias> | Hi! |
| [01:03:35] | <hefring> | what's up |
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| [01:03:59] | <gboudrias> | Nothing much to report on my end, losing the figt with Kerberos |
| [01:04:27] | <gboudrias> | I'm testing hosting_services instead |
| [01:05:31] | <gboudrias> | helmo: I've noticed the unstable package seems to work on Jessie? |
| [01:06:27] | <helmo> | yes... in the end it was a mysql password issue that made all the debian installs fail |
| [01:07:09] | <helmo> | Found it only after adding more debug lines |
| [01:07:44] | <gboudrias> | Huh, cool |
| [01:08:09] | <helmo> | I'm not sure if the systemd thing is now optimal... just havn't found time to do a new test install to verify |
| [01:08:18] | <gboudrias> | We should really get ready for a 3.2 release in that case |
| [01:08:29] | <helmo> | I'm still very busy finishing up my home renovations... focus is now on finishing my new desk. ... All the smell of varnish |
| [01:08:39] | <gboudrias> | The queue worked for me as well |
| [01:08:41] | <gboudrias> | hahah nice |
| [01:08:47] | <anarcat> | gboudrias: riseup folks have some docs about kerberos/NFSv4, stefani in particular, #riseup on imc |
| [01:08:48] | <helmo> | I've opened https://www.drupal.org/node/2599060 to start planning. |
| [01:08:49] | <hefring> | https://www.drupal.org/node/2599060 => [meta] 3.2 release (bugfix/patches) [#2599060] => 0 comments, 1 IRC mention |
| [01:09:22] | <gboudrias> | anarcat: hah, thanks! I figure I should RTFM first but I'm keep that in mind :) |
| [01:09:29] | <anarcat> | gboudrias: which FM? :) |
| [01:09:37] | <gboudrias> | urgh I know :( |
| [01:09:39] | <helmo> | Drupal 7.41 is also a strong motivaion to get a 3.2 release out |
| [01:10:02] | <gboudrias> | helmo: Ok I'll add stuff this week, probably today |
| [01:10:03] | <anarcat> | gboudrias: https://we.riseup.net/stefani/kerberos-for-birds-not-dummies |
| [01:10:08] | <anarcat> | gboudrias: https://we.riseup.net/debian/kerberos-overview |
| [01:10:13] | <anarcat> | gboudrias: https://we.riseup.net/stefani/kerberos-and-nfs4 |
| [01:10:29] | <anarcat> | gboudrias: never tried it |
| [01:10:34] | <gboudrias> | Wow that looks incredible! |
| [01:10:47] | <anarcat> | that's not true; i tried it, and failed, but before i found those instructions |
| [01:11:01] | <anarcat> | stefani is a very experienced sysadmins, and quite friendly |
| [01:11:53] | <gboudrias> | I'll give it another try :) |
| [01:12:03] | <anarcat> | i'm sorry about that :p |
| [01:12:08] | <helmo> | Did a bugfix release of the hosting site backup manager .. that should automatically get included |
| [01:12:10] | <anarcat> | that was *not* my intention :) |
| [01:12:31] | <gboudrias> | hahahahah |
| [01:12:41] | <gboudrias> | helmo: Do we have a recent release of that? |
| [01:12:49] | <gboudrias> | Oh sorry I misread, awesome! |
| [01:13:00] | <helmo> | Badcamp presentation? Anyone else going besides Nicholas? |
| [01:14:03] | <helmo> | In tasks_extra I added VBO actions: https://www.drupal.org/node/2598880 it needs review. |
| [01:14:05] | <hefring> | https://www.drupal.org/node/2598880 => Create actions for our extra tasks to integrate with VBO [#2598880] => 2 comments, 1 IRC mention |
| [01:14:39] | <helmo> | I noticed a lot of spam on our ask.aegir.support site ... even the messages which were filterd out ended up in my rss feed ... Added an upstream issue: https://github.com/ASKBOT/askbot-devel/issues/515 |
| [01:15:42] | <gboudrias> | Gosh :/ |
| [01:17:13] | <gboudrias> | Wish I could go to badcamp, but alas there's no budget |
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| [01:21:56] | <ergonlogic> | hi all |
| [01:22:06] | <helmo> | hi ergonlogic |
| [01:22:08] | <ergonlogic> | I'm running a little late this AM |
| [01:22:34] | <helmo> | Anyone have any Joomla 3.x sites to maintain ... SQL injection |
| [01:25:14] | <ergonlogic> | don't tell me you've added Joomla support :p |
| [01:25:42] | <ergonlogic> | for my part, the only big news is closing the D8 support issue |
| [01:25:43] | <helmo> | no |
| [01:26:13] | <helmo> | Just an client of mine who still has one Joomla sites... |
| [01:26:21] | <ergonlogic> | there are some lingering bugs, but by and large D8 support works pretty nicely |
| [01:26:53] | <ergonlogic> | I'd like feedback on my proposal to provide Drush .debs again |
| [01:27:14] | <ergonlogic> | anarcat: hi! enjoying your sabbatical? |
| [01:28:07] | <ergonlogic> | https://www.drupal.org/node/2585275 |
| [01:28:08] | <hefring> | https://www.drupal.org/node/2585275 => Maintain Drush Debian packages [#2585275] => 2 comments, 1 IRC mention |
| [01:28:25] | <ergonlogic> | We need Drush8 to support Drupal8 |
| [01:28:54] | <helmo> | ergonlogic: I'n not sure about that ... can't we use composer to install two separate ones? |
| [01:29:17] | <ergonlogic> | how do you mean? |
| [01:29:49] | <helmo> | well we don't install drush as a debian package... |
| [01:30:13] | <ergonlogic> | I mean, we're installing Drush from within the Aegir .debs now |
| [01:30:17] | <ergonlogic> | right |
| [01:30:42] | <ergonlogic> | we could presumably offer an option for the Drush version to install |
| [01:30:52] | <helmo> | We run "composer global require drush/drush:6.*" ... |
| [01:31:40] | <helmo> | the standalone upgrade.sh has a variable for the drush version ... |
| [01:32:19] | <helmo> | although I see that upgrade.sh downloads a zip instead of using composer |
| [01:33:00] | <helmo> | Adding it als a question in the package install should be doable... |
| [01:33:58] | <helmo> | if we want to support working with two versions in paralel... then more needs to be done... |
| [01:34:41] | <ergonlogic> | I don't think it makes sense to try to run 2 versions in parallel |
| [01:34:48] | <helmo> | when invoking a sub command we should then detect the desired version |
| [01:35:15] | <ergonlogic> | what benefit does it bring? |
| [01:35:43] | <helmo> | It would probably be asking for trouble ... but would help support hosting core 6/7/8 sites on the same hostmaster installation |
| [01:36:19] | <ergonlogic> | I think the problem of Drupal 6 vs 8 sites has more to do with minimum php versions |
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| [01:36:41] | <ergonlogic> | Drush 8 still supports Drupal 6 sites |
| [01:36:45] | <ergonlogic> | fow now, at least |
| [01:36:50] | <ergonlogic> | for* |
| [01:37:43] | <helmo> | hmm, nice to hear they came back on that... |
| [01:38:14] | <ergonlogic> | I think, with separate Drush6, Drush7 and Drush8 .debs, they could have each 'provide' Drush |
| [01:38:32] | <ergonlogic> | which is all that Aegir really has to care about, I believe |
| [01:38:38] | <ergonlogic> | as far as the packaging goes |
| [01:39:11] | <ergonlogic> | they'd basically all just be wrappers around composer, of course |
| [01:39:19] | <ergonlogic> | so pretty simple in and of themselves |
| [01:40:30] | <ergonlogic> | they could serve as a test-bed for automating builds via OBS |
| [01:42:05] | <helmo> | Adding a debconf variable with a proper default sounds easier... |
| [01:42:34] | <ergonlogic> | yeah, but less intuitive for users |
| [01:42:52] | <ergonlogic> | like, we release Aegir 3.2 |
| [01:43:07] | <ergonlogic> | users upgrade, and they're still on Drush 6 |
| [01:43:13] | <ergonlogic> | Drupal 8 is released |
| [01:43:18] | <ergonlogic> | they... |
| [01:43:22] | <ergonlogic> | ask us for help |
| [01:43:39] | <ergonlogic> | ... or run 'apt-get install Drush8' |
| [01:44:25] | <ergonlogic> | would we be able to easily trigger a Drush8 upgrade if the Aegir 3.2 package is already installed |
| [01:44:39] | <ergonlogic> | dpkg-configure, or something? |
| [01:44:52] | <helmo> | well they still need our help then for every new bugfix release of drush |
| [01:45:26] | <ergonlogic> | well, we'd need to produce new .debs |
| [01:45:46] | <ergonlogic> | and then the upgrade would just be 'apt-get install' |
| [01:45:49] | <ergonlogic> | no? |
| [01:45:53] | <helmo> | The advise would be ... follow the docs from Drush ... 'composer global require drush/drush:8.*' |
| [01:46:35] | <anarcat> | ergonlogic: i am :) |
| [01:46:39] | <anarcat> | going away for two weeks now |
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| [01:48:03] | <helmo> | anarcat: enjoy your trip |
| [01:48:11] | <ergonlogic> | helmo: ok, but it seems wrong to ask users to manually upgrade software we installed via our .deb |
| [01:48:20] | <ergonlogic> | anarcat: where to? |
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| [01:49:17] | <ergonlogic> | fwiw, Drush has ben very slow with tagging new releases, afaict |
| [01:49:33] | <ergonlogic> | still Drush 6.6 and 7.0.0, iirc |
| [01:50:02] | <helmo> | but if we create a new deb for aegir3-provision whith a new version number for the composer command ... that should upgrade |
| [01:50:48] | <ergonlogic> | anyway, I'm thinking of trying to carve out some time to test this, as further automating our build process via OBS would still be good for Aegir |
| [01:51:02] | <ergonlogic> | and this'd be a simplified case |
| [01:52:38] | <helmo> | still +1 for more tests and OBS :) |
| [01:52:47] | <ergonlogic> | we could also just look at installing drush8 in our .debs, and force users to keep up, but I really don't like that idea |
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| [01:53:48] | <ergonlogic> | well, we now have tests that run separately on Drush 6, 7 and 8 |
| [01:54:02] | <ergonlogic> | as well as one for Drush8/Drupal8 |
| [01:55:11] | <ergonlogic> | speaking of out tests though... I don't use puppet-aegir in production anymore, and haven't for a while now |
| [01:55:37] | <ergonlogic> | I think we might be better off going the route that helmo did with the recent new test |
| [01:55:58] | <ergonlogic> | and just install the packages manually |
| [01:56:28] | <ergonlogic> | and maybe move to ansible roles for the git-based install |
| [01:57:41] | <ergonlogic> | anyway, food for thought |
| [01:57:52] | <ergonlogic> | none of this has to be settled for a 3.2 release |
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| [01:58:19] | <ergonlogic> | I'll take a look at that issue, and see what I can realistically try to fit into it |
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| [02:00:45] | <helmo> | It might be good to move the tests from the puppet-aegir git repo to another ... and hint on the project status there... |
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| [02:01:15] | <helmo> | not sure if koumbit is still using puppet ... but it would be good to let them now |
| [02:01:59] | <helmo> | hefring: logpointer |
| [02:02:05] | <helmo> | hefring: logpointer? |
| [02:02:10] | <helmo> | hefring: log pointer? |
| [02:02:10] | <hefring> | http://hefring.mig5.net/bot/log/aegir/2015-10-22#T595613 |
| [02:03:08] | * helmo is off ... time to cook diner |
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| [02:38:51] | <ergonlogic> | indeed |
| [02:38:57] | <ergonlogic> | I'm off to other work |
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| [04:11:35] | <anarchat> | ergonlogic: gaspesie |
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| [04:58:37] | <bgm> | gboudrias: ergonlogic: fwiw, for yesterday's bug, I filed and will send a patch in : https://issues.civicrm.org/jira/browse/CRM-17432 |
| [04:59:02] | <gboudrias> | bgm: cool |
| [05:01:52] | <bgm> | patch: https://github.com/civicrm/civicrm-core/pull/7032/files |
| [05:02:06] | <bgm> | (will be applied for unreleased 4.7 for now, might be backported later) |
| [05:13:42] | <gboudrias> | Nice! |
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| [09:02:53] | <realityloop> | ergonlogic: ping |
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