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| [01:48:46] | <millenniumtree> | Looking for some guidance on a multi-server setup... |
| [01:49:23] | <millenniumtree> | Currently we have ~200 sites (90% Drupal) on 3 servers. |
| [01:49:31] | <millenniumtree> | We'll need to easily manage DNS, email and add/remove IP addresses. |
| [01:49:48] | <millenniumtree> | I'm comfortable on the command line, but others in the company are not as much. Email managing is critical. |
| [01:50:53] | <millenniumtree> | Is there an email management tool that we can use with Aegir, or can we point email traffic to a dedicated VPS and have Aegir MX to it? |
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| [02:29:18] | <ergonlogic> | millenniumtree: Aegir's DNS component is experimental, at best, and is CLI-only, at this point. |
| [02:29:39] | <ergonlogic> | you'd need another tool to handle those components |
| [02:31:59] | <ergonlogic> | https://alternc.org/ is a good choice for handling all of that, and I believe is installable via .debs |
| [02:33:02] | <ergonlogic> | the documentation appears to mostly be in French though |
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| [02:41:49] | <millenniumtree> | OK. I've used Webmin before, and Virtualmin looks like an improvement over that, but I'm not sure if it would play nicely with Aegir. |
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| [02:44:24] | <millenniumtree> | We currently use Directadmin, but I don't think you can disable Apache management in DA. It won't be useful to us in the new multi-VPS Aegir setup. |
| [02:44:55] | <millenniumtree> | Also, we want nginx/php-fpm - we're so done with Apache. :{ |
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| [04:40:19] | <tribalman> | I completed an install of Aegir on Debian 7, my /etc/hosts have 120.0.0.1 localhost and xx.xx.xxx.xx aegir.mydomain.tld aegir |
| [04:40:51] | <tribalman> | hostname -f gives me aegir.mydomain.tld |
| [04:41:24] | <tribalman> | I can however, not access any site at aegir.mydomain.tld |
| [04:42:39] | <tribalman> | mydomain.tld does reflect the debian apache default Not Found page |
| [04:44:43] | <tribalman> | restarting apache show's no VirtualHosts, would the Aegir installer not create and manage VirtualHosts? |
| [04:54:04] | <tribalman> | vhost.d in server_master/apache has the FQDN and FQDN is in said config file listed as ServerName |
| [04:54:31] | <tribalman> | but still I cannot access the frontend |
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| [05:17:08] | <millenniumtree> | tribalman: in /etc/hosts, you mean 127.0.0.1 localhost? (instead of 120) |
| [05:23:37] | <millenniumtree> | Aegir creates vhosts configs in a different place than default apache. /var/aegir/config/server_master/apache/vhost.d/... I believe. |
| [05:23:42] | <millenniumtree> | see: http://community.aegirproject.org/node/77/ |
| [05:24:42] | <millenniumtree> | I'm just getting started, so googling is probably better than trusting anything I have to say. :| |
| [05:25:14] | <gboudrias> | tribalman: I missed part of the conversation, you can't access the Aegir frontend? |
| [05:26:48] | <gboudrias> | tribalman: look at /var/aegir/hostmaster-xyz/sites , there should only be one site apart from all and default, that's your frontend URL |
| [05:27:24] | <tribalman> | fantastic, thanks |
| [05:27:49] | <gboudrias> | Check if the symlink has been created in /etc/apache2 , depending on your apache version you need to put a symlink in conf.d or conf-enabled, that points to the apache.conf file in /var/aegir/config/ |
| [05:28:59] | <millenniumtree> | I'm trying to figure out how to migrate ~200 sites (drupal, non-aegir) to some new VPSs with Aegir. |
| [05:29:03] | <gboudrias> | If you can, I recommend starting over with Debian 8 (Jessie), it might less of a hassle in the future |
| [05:29:28] | <tribalman> | gboudrias: thinking of doing just that |
| [05:29:28] | <millenniumtree> | Problem is we need server IP, email and DNS management tools. |
| [05:30:02] | <millenniumtree> | We currently use Directadmin, but that's pretty heavy-handed with the apache configs. And we want to use nginx/php-fpm. |
| [05:30:19] | <gboudrias> | millenniumtree: There's no easy way, but if you're feeling brave you might be able to automate something by adding things to the hostmaster database dynamically |
| [05:30:56] | <millenniumtree> | I was thinking something like Webmin, where each part can be turned on/off individually (dns, web, email, etc). |
| [05:31:07] | <millenniumtree> | You can't turn web management off in Directadmin to my knowledge. |
| [05:31:12] | <gboudrias> | Oh right yeah, no DNS and email is just right out in my opinion... We're still on someone else's AlternC, it works pretty well for email and DNS |
| [05:32:27] | <gboudrias> | Email and DNS would both be huge deals for Aegir, but most of us don't even want to be email providers anyway, so I don't see it being funded anytime soon |
| [05:33:33] | <millenniumtree> | Yeah, email is absolutely critical here. I was thinking of making a dedicated VPS for it and MXing everybody to that box. |
| [05:33:37] | <gboudrias> | millenniumtree: Are you thinking of something to use with aegir, or are you considering Webmin etc. "versus" Aegir? |
| [05:33:56] | <millenniumtree> | With. Webmin + Aegir. |
| [05:34:16] | <gboudrias> | Yeah that would make a lot of sense, it's pretty rare to have the email and web server be the same server/IP as far as I know |
| [05:35:16] | <gboudrias> | millenniumtree: Have you looked at AlternC at all? It's not perfect but I'm curious what others think of it |
| [05:35:19] | <millenniumtree> | Ha! Not in our office. :\ We're still evolving. We only have 3 servers. |
| [05:35:34] | <anarcat> | there's ispconfig and many others as well |
| [05:35:49] | <millenniumtree> | I've logged into the demo, but it's hard to make a determination of how modern and usable it is. All the docs are in French and GTranslate ain't perfect. |
| [05:36:12] | <millenniumtree> | I've looked at ISPConfig. Anyone using it with Aegir successfully? |
| [05:36:28] | <gboudrias> | (I'm surprised AlternC has no English website... kind of a hard sell...) |
| [05:51:44] | <millenniumtree> | Aegir works OK with Debian 8? |
| [05:53:49] | <gboudrias> | millenniumtree: Yes, the 3.2 release (last Thursday) fixed all Jessie package issues as far as I know |
| [05:53:58] | <millenniumtree> | nice |
| [05:54:00] | <gboudrias> | I use Jessie for most of my Aegir3 servers |
| [05:59:52] | <millenniumtree> | We're building out a beastly machine to run 6+ VPSs to replace our current 3 server setup. Dedicated database VPS on SSDs, probably now a dedicated mail handler, and several others for the websites. |
| [06:01:40] | <gboudrias> | Nice! |
| [06:03:27] | <millenniumtree> | We've got close to 200 sites now, 90% of which are Drupal. We're at the far end of what we can do without something like Aegir. |
| [06:03:54] | <millenniumtree> | Imagine updating Views or Webform on a shared codebase with 50 sites on it. :| |
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| [06:19:29] | <gboudrias> | millenniumtree: It's not a huge problem, you don't update platforms with sites on it |
| [06:20:02] | <gboudrias> | millenniumtree: Meaning you create a new platform and migrate the sites, we've done it with at least 50 sites, Koumbit does it with 100+ sites if memory serves (every month or so) |
| [06:20:26] | <gboudrias> | Managing multiple sites with the same codebase is what Aegir does best :) |
| [06:21:05] | <gboudrias> | I would say the hardest part is importing them into Aegir |
| [06:22:50] | <gboudrias> | We might be able to make a module for that but as usual time is the biggest issue. Let me know if you're interested in module development though, I could send you my ideas, might take you less than the theoretical 200 hours at a 1h/site average. |
| [06:23:05] | <gboudrias> | (We can always use more contrib module developers :) ) |
| [06:33:15] | <millenniumtree> | Yep, with Aegir it's easy. With our crazy symlink multisite setup, it's a PITA. |
| [06:34:05] | <gboudrias> | Oh right, yeah :) |
| [06:34:40] | <millenniumtree> | I have scripts that print out all enabled modules for a site and the versions, then compares it to our live multisite platforms so we can see what need to be added/upgraded. |
| [06:34:44] | <millenniumtree> | It's still a bear. |
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| [06:36:16] | <millenniumtree> | Aegir promises to be easier than what we have now, but it's going to take months to get comfortable with running live sites on a whole new platform. :\ |
| [06:45:42] | <gboudrias> | Yeah for sure |
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