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| [01:03:30] | <tribalman> | I need a little bit of clarification with the documentation on DNS config. Both hostname and uname -n gives me the machine name, e.g. I named it aegir, resolveip aegir verbose the correct ip |
| [01:04:04] | <tribalman> | yet, if I try to access aegir.domain.com from my local machine I can't find the server |
| [01:05:27] | <helmo_> | tribalman: it that name resolving on any other system? e.g. Did you create the DNS record? |
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| [01:06:35] | <tribalman> | helmo: I added a new dns cluster a few weeks ago, I guess there must be a problem there |
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| [01:09:07] | <helmo> | tribalman: So 'ping aegir.domain.com' also fails on your workstation? |
| [01:10:03] | <tribalman> | helmo: yes, I see there is no A record for the sub-domain "aegir" |
| [01:10:52] | <tribalman> | unknown host |
| [01:11:56] | <tribalman> | should there be an a record pointing to "aegir" or whatever subdomain used as FQDM? |
| [01:16:33] | <helmo> | yes... how would you login to the web frontend without one? |
| [01:33:50] | <tribalman> | well, there we go |
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| [02:00:35] | <helmo> | Hi all, ergonlogic gboudrias |
| [02:00:42] | <gboudrias> | Hello! |
| [02:00:42] | <hefring> | hi |
| [02:00:53] | <helmo> | I opened an issue to start planning 3.3 (https://www.drupal.org/node/2623600) |
| [02:00:54] | <hefring> | https://www.drupal.org/node/2623600 => [meta] 3.3 release (bugfix/patches) [#2623600] => 4 comments, 1 IRC mention |
| [02:01:04] | <helmo> | I committed a few things already ... |
| [02:01:12] | <helmo> | I would like some review on a few on my own issues: https://www.drupal.org/project/issues/search?projects=hosting%2C+eldir%2... |
| [02:02:00] | <helmo> | I was bugged by drush clearing too many caches ... |
| [02:02:03] | <helmo> | https://github.com/drush-ops/drush/pull/1802 @ergonlogic review please? |
| [02:02:39] | <helmo> | ergonlogic, gboudrias Any progress on the ask site? I see it's offline now. |
| [02:02:54] | <gboudrias> | helmo: I didn't touch it |
| [02:03:20] | <gboudrias> | I'll try to test as many patches as I can today |
| [02:04:02] | <gboudrias> | I thought https://www.drupal.org/node/2595809 was resolved but maybe not |
| [02:04:03] | <hefring> | https://www.drupal.org/node/2595809 => Find (d8) profiles without a .profile [#2595809] => 0 comments, 1 IRC mention |
| [02:05:50] | <gboudrias> | helmo: When do you think we should do 3.3? Next week? |
| [02:06:00] | <gboudrias> | I don't think I would have time today |
| [02:07:50] | <helmo> | I'm not in a rush to get 3.3 out. |
| [02:08:34] | <helmo> | Next week would be one month after 3.2 ... nice but I'm not sure we need a monthly schedule |
| [02:09:11] | <helmo> | unless there's a pressing need (nasty bug or security) |
| [02:09:22] | <gboudrias> | Alright :) |
| [02:09:41] | <ergonlogic> | hi all |
| [02:09:42] | <gboudrias> | The migrate bug is pretty annoying but it's not urgent |
| [02:09:49] | <gboudrias> | hey! |
| [02:09:49] | <hefring> | bonjour |
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| [02:10:50] | <ergonlogic> | So, for the askbot site, I'd poked around, but didn't have time to dig into it much |
| [02:11:16] | <ergonlogic> | I'll take another look, but I'm not sure that the hosted service is all that well run |
| [02:11:25] | <ergonlogic> | we might want to just host it ourselves |
| [02:11:54] | <ergonlogic> | as for 3.3, I think we should look at moving to Drush8 sooner rather than later |
| [02:12:06] | <helmo> | not all too keen on hosting our own ask site :( |
| [02:12:09] | <ergonlogic> | and I'll review those issues shortly |
| [02:12:22] | <ergonlogic> | no, I'd prefer not to either |
| [02:12:42] | <gboudrias> | A stackexchange would be alright but I don't know if we could gather the numbers required |
| [02:12:52] | <ergonlogic> | I hoghly doubt it |
| [02:12:56] | <ergonlogic> | highly* |
| [02:13:03] | <ergonlogic> | askbot is a pip package |
| [02:13:16] | <ergonlogic> | so shouldn't require too much effort |
| [02:13:19] | <helmo> | but isn't the #aegir tag on SE enough? |
| [02:13:26] | <ergonlogic> | perhaps |
| [02:13:51] | <ergonlogic> | I was hoping for something more as part of the coop's service offering |
| [02:13:57] | <gboudrias> | There's a tag, I'm subscribed but it's very rarely used |
| [02:14:17] | <ergonlogic> | but we can fallback to SE for now, if I can't get askbot into a working state |
| [02:14:55] | <ergonlogic> | as for the coop, I finally heard back from the consultants that were supposed to help us out |
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| [02:15:09] | <ergonlogic> | it turns out that they're only mandated to work with workers' coops |
| [02:15:22] | <ergonlogic> | and so aren't in a position to help us out |
| [02:15:30] | <ergonlogic> | I did get a referral to another group |
| [02:15:44] | <ergonlogic> | but I think I'll just submit the paperwork myself, at this point |
| [02:15:48] | <ergonlogic> | and muddle through |
| [02:16:16] | <ergonlogic> | on a different note, I don't know if you've looked at http://docs.aegirproject.org recently |
| [02:16:25] | <gboudrias> | Neat |
| [02:16:32] | <ergonlogic> | but I worked on it quite a bit over the weekend |
| [02:17:00] | <ergonlogic> | I migrated most of the docs over from the legacy docs |
| [02:17:05] | <gboudrias> | ergonlogic: I didn't have time to fully review it but it's pretty cool |
| [02:17:18] | <ergonlogic> | and started using mkdocs deeper menu nesting |
| [02:17:38] | <gboudrias> | Definitely a major improvement, I take it you imported the Community doc? |
| [02:17:40] | <ergonlogic> | req'd a couple css tweaks, but otherwise works quite nicely |
| [02:17:54] | <ergonlogic> | yeah, I migrated most of it over |
| [02:18:04] | <ergonlogic> | there are a couple dev-oriented pages left |
| [02:18:07] | <gboudrias> | Amazing :) |
| [02:18:18] | <ergonlogic> | and 3-4 troubleshooting docs a bit all over the place |
| [02:18:31] | <ergonlogic> | I figure to merge those and de-dupe them |
| [02:18:58] | <ergonlogic> | but the end is pretty much in sight for the migration phase |
| [02:19:35] | <ergonlogic> | I've tried to structure it logically, and not make the distinction b/w user/admin/dev like we had before |
| [02:20:00] | <ergonlogic> | I think it's helping to highlight some gaps |
| [02:20:12] | <gboudrias> | Nice, should we start pointing to it? It's already better than the current docs |
| [02:20:24] | <ergonlogic> | like, we don't appear to have *any* docs specifically on server config |
| [02:20:35] | <gboudrias> | huh |
| [02:20:37] | <ergonlogic> | I thought we were already |
| [02:20:56] | <ergonlogic> | oh, can someone +o me? |
| [02:21:15] | <ergonlogic> | we should start using that url though, definitely |
| [02:21:23] | <ergonlogic> | rather than aegir.readthedocs.org |
| [02:21:30] | <ergonlogic> | even though they're the same |
| [02:21:59] | <ergonlogic> | docs.aegirproject.org gives us the flexibility of moving off of RTD should we ever want to |
| [02:22:14] | <gboudrias> | (just figuring out how to +o with chanserv) |
| [02:22:18] | <gboudrias> | Nice |
| [02:22:43] | <helmo> | I saw the docs site when I read up from yesterday ... loos better. I'll check it out in more detail later |
| [02:22:50] | <ergonlogic> | while I fixed up the formatting of the docs, and reviewed much of the content, I'm sure there's still stuff that out-of-date |
| [02:22:53] | <rominronin> | Since its baased on Aegir, I was wondering if anyone here had heard of or used devshop? |
| [02:23:34] | <ergonlogic> | I'm diffident to add @todo's in the docs, but I think it may be a good way to highlight the gaps |
| [02:23:38] | <gboudrias> | This should stick :) |
| [02:23:46] | <ergonlogic> | maybe in a 'todo' branch? |
| [02:23:54] | <ergonlogic> | thanks |
| [02:24:06] | <ergonlogic> | rominronin: yes, we've all heard of it |
| [02:24:27] | <gboudrias> | We all think it's pretty cool :p |
| [02:24:37] | <ergonlogic> | helmo gboudrias So... how do we want to handle Drush 8? |
| [02:24:43] | <rominronin> | I'm trying to get an idea of how useful it currently is, and whether its worth considering for regular use |
| [02:25:21] | <gboudrias> | ergonlogic: Sorry if this has been answered already, but is there any reason why we can't use Drush 8 by default? |
| [02:25:41] | <ergonlogic> | stability would be my only concern |
| [02:25:48] | <ergonlogic> | but I haven't run into any issues |
| [02:25:56] | <ergonlogic> | that'd be my preference |
| [02:25:58] | <helmo> | ergonlogic: I'v been using Drush 8 on some systems ... could be the new default :) |
| [02:26:05] | <gboudrias> | Me neither, I've been testing D8 in local |
| [02:26:09] | <ergonlogic> | we have tests for it |
| [02:26:24] | <gboudrias> | I'd definitely vote for that, since people will expect Drupal8 support out of the box |
| [02:26:48] | <ergonlogic> | I think we need to make sure to provide an easy downgrade path |
| [02:26:48] | <helmo> | rominronin: I think devshop is still mostly on the D6 code from Aegir ... John is trying to catch up |
| [02:26:57] | <ergonlogic> | there's still lots of D6 sites out there |
| [02:27:18] | <ergonlogic> | and the PHP req's for Drush 8 will likely break some D6 contrib |
| [02:27:31] | <gboudrias> | ergonlogic: If we still install with composer, we can just do "composer required [etc]", works like a charm afaict |
| [02:27:47] | <ergonlogic> | well, Drush 8 ships as a phar |
| [02:28:06] | <helmo> | their composer install seems to be fixed again |
| [02:28:08] | <ergonlogic> | though it's still installable via composer |
| [02:28:13] | <ergonlogic> | right |
| [02:29:02] | <gboudrias> | oh yeah... well, since we have packages, keeping the composer install method might be simpler anyway, right? |
| [02:29:44] | <ergonlogic> | well, the phar is nice because it's a single file to wget then symlink |
| [02:29:51] | <ergonlogic> | but we don't have to support it right away |
| [02:30:56] | <ergonlogic> | either way, I think we'll need to add a debconf flag for Drush 6 vs 8 |
| [02:31:16] | <ergonlogic> | so that users who need 6 can pin it |
| [02:31:31] | <gboudrias> | Right |
| [02:31:33] | <ergonlogic> | but otherwise we default to upgrading to 8 |
| [02:31:43] | <gboudrias> | Do we have an issue yet? |
| [02:31:55] | <ergonlogic> | yes |
| [02:32:44] | <helmo> | +1 for a debconf flag |
| [02:33:53] | <ergonlogic> | helmo: I haven't worked on the .debs for a long time. Do you think you can take the lead on that? |
| [02:34:53] | <ergonlogic> | the askbot site is up |
| [02:35:00] | <gboudrias> | right, this one: https://www.drupal.org/node/2619158 |
| [02:35:01] | <hefring> | https://www.drupal.org/node/2619158 => Switch to Drush 8 by default [#2619158] => 3 comments, 1 IRC mention |
| [02:35:07] | <ergonlogic> | but on askbot.com they say "we'll be back soon" |
| [02:35:15] | <ergonlogic> | I'll email their support |
| [02:35:22] | <helmo> | ergonlogic: OK, I'll find some time for that |
| [02:35:42] | <ergonlogic> | helmo: let me know how I can help |
| [02:36:14] | <helmo> | patch for https://www.drupal.org/node/2595809#comment-10609412 |
| [02:36:15] | <hefring> | https://www.drupal.org/node/2595809 => Find (d8) profiles without a .profile [#2595809] => 0 comments, 2 IRC mentions |
| [02:36:16] | <gboudrias> | helmo: wow that profile patch was fast, thanks dude :) |
| [02:36:44] | <rominronin> | helmo: ty. I've been trying to follow up on devshop since the talk in barcelona. |
| [02:36:53] | <gboudrias> | I'll update the drush issue |
| [02:37:00] | <rominronin> | seems like theres still much to do |
| [02:37:07] | <rominronin> | before its ready |
| [02:37:09] | <gboudrias> | rominronin: jonpugh (the maintainer) is in the channel btw |
| [02:37:21] | <rominronin> | jonpugh: hi, |
| [02:42:04] | <gboudrias> | Updated the issue, please fill in the blanks |
| [02:45:05] | <rominronin> | is |
| [02:51:47] | <ergonlogic> | helmo: +1 for the Drush PR |
| [03:04:34] | <gboudrias> | ergonlogic: for https://www.drupal.org/node/2615658 , removing the IP addresses would mean deprecating non-SNI certificates, no? |
| [03:04:35] | <hefring> | https://www.drupal.org/node/2615658 => New SSL site sending users to install.php on other platform - yikes [#2615658] => 5 comments, 2 IRC mentions |
| [03:05:03] | <ergonlogic> | I'm not sure there a difference in the certificates |
| [03:05:43] | <ergonlogic> | but yes, there'd be cleanup of existing servers and ssl |
| [03:05:49] | <ergonlogic> | so it'd probably be tricky |
| [03:08:14] | <jonpugh> | Hi rominronin |
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| [03:08:49] | <jonpugh> | Devshop 0.x is very stable, I've been using it myself and for customers of mine for years |
| [03:09:08] | <jonpugh> | And I'm pretty close to having it upgraded to Aegir 3/drupal7 |
| [03:09:47] | <jonpugh> | The remaining work is in the theme and all of the submodules |
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| [03:10:36] | <jonpugh> | I hope to finish the port and release that as devshop 1.0 at the end of the year |
| [03:10:51] | <jonpugh> | 1.0.0 I should say ;) |
| [03:11:38] | <jonpugh> | Also, nice work on the docs ergonlogic |
| [03:13:55] | <rominronin> | jonpugh sounds great - I was very taken by the devshop talk at barcelona, and I want to test it locally before we can committ to it going forward. |
| [03:15:39] | <rominronin> | We'd probably need to import a large number of existing (live) projects if we fully adopted it |
| [03:19:38] | <jonpugh> | Wow, thanks! There is a vagrantfile in the main project repo. Just clone the repo and vagrant up to test it out. |
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| [03:32:15] | <rominronin_> | Hah! I had already downloaded the vagrant file last week, got it up and running - just haven |
| [03:32:37] | <rominronin_> | had time since then to actually do any importing or testing |
| [03:32:54] | <rominronin_> | this weekend is drupalcamp vienna, so it'll be next week now.. |
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| [03:46:01] | <gboudrias> | helmo: I reviewed what I could, not going to review https://www.drupal.org/node/2585379 since I never use sync |
| [03:46:02] | <hefring> | https://www.drupal.org/node/2585379 => Let the sync task work on any Drush alias [#2585379] => 5 comments, 2 IRC mentions |
| [03:46:14] | <gboudrias> | Good stuff :) |
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