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| [10:29:29] | <ergonlogic> | memtkmcc: :) |
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| [23:51:28] | <colan> | ergonlogic: can you still say "The vote is by show of hands" for remote voting? wondering if we should change that text. |
| [23:51:52] | <colan> | maybe "positive acknowldgement" or some such. |
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| [00:46:12] | <ergonlogic> | colan: the same thought had crossed my mind |
| [00:46:15] | <ergonlogic> | PR? |
| [00:46:35] | <colan> | ergonlogic: ha, was just creating an issue. will make it a PR instead. |
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| [06:03:44] | <richieacc> | Hello! I've just installed a clean aegir server on a debian based system. It's low-spec. I'm getting the error "Load on system too heavy, aborting". My research shows that in 2014, and option was added to set the threshold, but I can't see where to set it. Please help. |
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| [06:19:55] | <ergonlogic> | this is triggered based on http://api.aegirproject.org/api/Provision/provision.drush.inc/function/p... |
| [06:20:29] | <ergonlogic> | so you'd need to set the 'critical_load_threshold' or 'critical_load_multiplier' options in Drush |
| [06:22:37] | <richieacc> | @ergonlogic, how do I set that? |
| [06:23:15] | <ergonlogic> | richieacc: so, you'd probably want to create a /var/aegir/.drushrc.php file, and add something like: |
| [06:23:18] | <ergonlogic> | <?php |
| [06:23:35] | <ergonlogic> | $options['critical_load_multiplier'] = 10; |
| [06:24:06] | <ergonlogic> | and maybe: $options['critical_load_threshold'] = 20; |
| [06:25:41] | <ergonlogic> | not sure about that file location... |
| [06:25:59] | <richieacc> | I found a file at /var/aegir/.drush/drushrc.php |
| [06:26:16] | <richieacc> | It had some options in already, so I added those two. |
| [06:26:56] | <ergonlogic> | that one will be re-generated whenever the hostmaster site is verified |
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| [06:27:22] | <richieacc> | Oh dear. |
| [06:28:00] | <ergonlogic> | https://raw.githubusercontent.com/drush-ops/drush/master/examples/exampl... |
| [06:28:21] | <ergonlogic> | ^^^ that shows where such files will be loaded |
| [06:28:28] | <ergonlogic> | we generate a number of them though |
| [06:29:42] | <ergonlogic> | try /var/aegir/.drushrc.php file |
| [06:29:57] | <ergonlogic> | it used to work, and possibly the docs are just wrong about it |
| [06:30:06] | <richieacc> | That link was useful. Thank you. |
| [06:30:23] | <ergonlogic> | alternatively, the /drush folder * in the directory above the Drupal root. |
| [06:30:24] | <richieacc> | Is there a commandline that will tell me what settings drush has loaded? |
| [06:30:38] | <ergonlogic> | you could run with --debug |
| [06:30:53] | <ergonlogic> | which should show all the places it's scanning for config and command files |
| [06:32:29] | <ergonlogic> | but /var/aegir/drush/drushrc.php and/or /var/aegir/platforms/drush/drushrc.php might be other alternatives. |
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| [06:36:02] | <darthsteven> | ergonlogic: how does Aegir 3.x / 4.x branching work at the moment? Is 3.x being merged into 4.x. I’ve just been pushing the odd fix into 3.x here and there |
| [06:36:17] | <richieacc> | I don't have those two directories. Nor do I have a /etc/drush/. Is it safe to create /etc/drush and put a drushrc.php file in there? |
| [06:37:29] | <ergonlogic> | richieacc: yes |
| [06:37:48] | <richieacc> | Ok. Let me try that :) |
| [06:38:07] | <ergonlogic> | you'd have had to create the other dirs, and it'd be messy |
| [06:38:50] | <ergonlogic> | darthsteven: right now, 4.x is mostly just to be able to manage issues |
| [06:39:06] | <ergonlogic> | so, 3.x is being merged into it, occasionally |
| [06:39:11] | <darthsteven> | cool cool |
| [06:39:38] | <ergonlogic> | once we undertake a 4.x release in more earnest, we'll formalize stuff better |
| [06:39:52] | <ergonlogic> | darthsteven: btw, it's nice te see you back in the queues :) |
| [06:40:13] | <ergonlogic> | darthsteven: I have an Aegir Co-op t-shirt with your name on it, too :) |
| [06:40:32] | <ergonlogic> | not really with you name... but waiting for a shipping address :p |
| [06:40:55] | <ergonlogic> | richieacc: fyi: https://www.drupal.org/node/2737785 |
| [06:40:56] | <hefring> | https://www.drupal.org/node/2737785 => Provide a stable location for Drush overrides [#2737785] => 0 comments, 1 IRC mention |
| [06:42:00] | <richieacc> | Awesome :) |
| [06:43:23] | <bgm> | hey, I have a question regarding the aegir queues. for example, aegir is showing that I have 10 items in a queue, and it runs 5 items per run. CiviCRM crons are supposed to run every 15 mins, but it can sometimes take up to 45 mins for the cron to run. |
| [06:43:24] | <darthsteven> | ergonlogic: will you ship to the UK? |
| [06:43:38] | <darthsteven> | bgm: fun times! |
| [06:43:46] | <ergonlogic> | darthsteven: sure |
| [06:43:48] | <richieacc> | Now I have sites that are in a limbo state. Their databases were never created, so when aegir tries to mysqldump them, it fails. |
| [06:43:50] | <darthsteven> | bgm: https://www.drupal.org/node/1405904 |
| [06:43:51] | <hefring> | https://www.drupal.org/node/1405904 => Hosting cron # of sites per run mismatch between UI and reality [#1405904] => 11 comments, 1 IRC mention |
| [06:43:55] | <darthsteven> | might be helpful |
| [06:44:12] | <bgm> | darthsteven: thanks :) |
| [06:44:37] | <darthsteven> | bgm: the maths of what to run and when is really weird! |
| [06:44:38] | <ergonlogic> | bgm darthsteven: feel free to re-categorize that as a bug, if it is one |
| [06:45:03] | <darthsteven> | ergonlogic: nah, the maths does work out, it’s just weird |
| [06:45:27] | <darthsteven> | ergonlogic: I’ve would expect it to spread the items over the time period, but it doesn’t at all really |
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| [06:46:57] | <bgm> | i'm not sure how to think about it, but if I have 50 sites, and it only runs 5 sites per cron run (15 mins), users will be really unhappy :) |
| [06:47:27] | <bgm> | (the cron triggers the launch of their mass-mailings, for example, and civi has a built-in elysia-cron equivalent) |
| [06:50:08] | <darthsteven> | what do you have the cron queue configured to do in the UI? |
| [06:50:21] | <darthsteven> | admin/hosting/queues |
| [06:52:27] | <bgm> | https://www.bidon.ca/files/tmp/aegir-cron-queue.jpg |
| [06:52:58] | <bgm> | I'm not sure where the "10 sites every" comes from.. |
| [06:53:29] | <bgm> | hmm, although I think I have 10 civicrm sites on this server |
| [06:54:00] | <bgm> | and hosting_civicrm_cron has "items => 5" in the queue settings |
| [06:54:05] | <bgm> | Items per run: 5 |
| [06:54:06] | <bgm> | Items in queue: 11 |
| [06:54:12] | <bgm> | in the queue status block |
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| [06:55:57] | <darthsteven> | so the cron invocations don’t really show up in the usual task queue |
| [06:57:18] | <darthsteven> | but the Aegir bit of this should be working |
| [06:57:37] | <darthsteven> | looks like hosting_civicrm layers on some extra magic |
| [06:58:00] | <bgm> | yeah, I guess it is doing 5 sites every 15 mins, it's just that the sites keep piling up, so it more often takes 30 mins before a mailing gets sent |
| [06:58:40] | <darthsteven> | so as you get more sites it should do more work per execution |
| [06:59:07] | <darthsteven> | you can reduce the interval there, to say 5 minutes if you wanted to etc, |
| [07:00:17] | <bgm> | it's not very intuitive, but I see that the code has a hardcoded limit of 5 sites per cron run, so will remove that for now |
| [07:01:01] | <bgm> | although I guess running 5 sites every 5 mins makes sense.. rather than 10 sites every 15 mins, which will create bigger CPU peaks |
| [07:01:54] | <bgm> | thanks darthsteven :) |
| [07:02:02] | <darthsteven> | bgm: yeah, it’s a bit crazy at the moment, literally working on it right now :) |
| [07:02:14] | <darthsteven> | (hence knowing about it) |
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| [07:04:04] | <ergonlogic> | darthsteven: hmm... yeah, I figured the UI might imply that the load was spread out. But I just checked and it doesn't. |
| [07:05:40] | <ergonlogic> | so, maybe you could make the 'strategy' configurable? 'batch' vs. 'diffuse' (or whatever)? |
| [07:06:02] | <ergonlogic> | 'batch' doesn't have any useful antonyms, afaict |
| [07:06:32] | <bgm> | as a user, i would just expect that if i tell aegir to run cron every 15 mins, it just queues a cron-run task every 15 mins |
| [07:06:40] | <richieacc> | On installing Aegir on Ubuntu server, I'm getting the error, "Could not find the alias @hostmaster" which causes the installation to fail. How can I fix that? |
| [07:06:42] | <bgm> | and then would expect the queue strategy to decide how many tasks it runs in parallel |
| [07:07:36] | <darthsteven> | bgm: yeah, so…working on that over here: https://www.drupal.org/node/422962 where basically cron would become much more like that |
| [07:07:37] | <hefring> | https://www.drupal.org/node/422962 => scheduled tasks (refresh parameter) [#422962] => 16 comments, 1 IRC mention |
| [07:07:47] | <darthsteven> | and then the default task queue gets very busy |
| [07:07:56] | <darthsteven> | (busy in a good way) |
| [07:08:33] | <darthsteven> | ergonlogic: I sort of feel like we should make sensible ‘strategy’ decisions for users so that they don’t have to :) |
| [07:09:32] | <ergonlogic> | darthsteven: agreed, but changing the behaviour within a stable release is generally something we'd only want to do to resolve a bug |
| [07:10:46] | <ergonlogic> | also, while on the subject of cron, it'd be nice if perhaps it triggered the 'run cron' task in hosting_tasks_extra, as that would provide output in the task log |
| [07:10:54] | <ergonlogic> | I think there's a feature request for that |
| [07:11:09] | <ergonlogic> | and it's obviously outside the scope of that issue |
| [07:11:31] | <ergonlogic> | but then it'd also be able to take advantage of the parallelization you've been adding in the queued |
| [07:11:36] | <ergonlogic> | I think, anyway |
| [07:11:41] | <darthsteven> | ergonlogic: yep, agreed on all fronts |
| [07:11:53] | <darthsteven> | see my latest patch :) https://www.drupal.org/node/1405904#comment-11249313 |
| [07:11:54] | <hefring> | https://www.drupal.org/node/1405904 => Hosting cron # of sites per run mismatch between UI and reality [#1405904] => 13 comments, 2 IRC mentions |
| [07:12:20] | <darthsteven> | yeah, parallel queue process and task priorities is much fun :) |
| [07:12:55] | <darthsteven> | scheduled tasks are next, and a plan has formed in my head, just need to find the time to implement the code :) |
| [07:13:02] | <darthsteven> | ergonlogic: pm? |
| [07:13:18] | <ergonlogic> | always :) |
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