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| [11:58:31] | <mysticalone> | hello, i am getting the error "Could not find the alias @hostmaster [error] |
| [11:58:35] | <mysticalone> | dpkg: error processing package aegir3-hostmaster" |
| [11:58:52] | <mysticalone> | when installing from apt-get on clean Debian 8 |
| [11:59:02] | <mysticalone> | what is this error related to? |
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| [20:00:05] | <helmo> | ergonlogic: I had to revert those ssl ip commits ... it broke :( |
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| [22:16:23] | <ossamaselim> | hello |
| [22:16:23] | <hefring> | salut |
| [22:16:55] | <ossamaselim> | yeeaaah finally i find the right place |
| [22:18:02] | <ossamaselim> | is there any one in the drupal day event in Milan? |
| [22:21:24] | <ossamaselim> | so i have a question about backup manager, it gives me a permission denied error and it couldn't make the backup, is this a common error of that module? |
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| [00:20:21] | <jonpugh> | helmo: I fixed the conflict for 2714561-hostingService-name |
| [00:24:26] | <helmo> | jonpugh: thanks. I'll review soon ... but 3.6 tags have been pushed :( |
| [00:24:37] | <jonpugh> | aww |
| [00:24:47] | <jonpugh> | that's ok :) |
| [00:25:14] | <jonpugh> | I'm lucky, I have my own makefile for hostmaster so I can use patches for devshop |
| [00:29:29] | <ergonlogic> | helmo: ok, np. They're in the aegir_https branch, which I forked from 7.x-4.x. So when we merge that back into 4.x, we'll have that cleanup anyway |
| [00:31:28] | <ergonlogic> | fwiw, I'd locally wrapped that call in module_exists('hosting_ssl'), but I guess it's really too agressive of a refactoring for our stable branch |
| [00:55:44] | <helmo> | I'm now waiting for the hostmaster package to build on D.o ... but it seems stuck |
| [01:10:36] | <colan> | jonpugh: yes, yes, i should get a twitter account & such. |
| [01:10:41] | * colan rolls eyes |
| [01:10:58] | <colan> | my web site or d.o profile works for now. :) |
| [01:12:18] | <colan> | jonpugh: just created https://www.drupal.org/node/2754509. not sure if you've thought about that yet |
| [01:12:19] | <hefring> | https://www.drupal.org/node/2754509 => Add support for merging live config with latest profile config [#2754509] => 0 comments, 1 IRC mention |
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| [01:14:17] | <colan> | ergonlogic: ^^^ as we were talking about it at drupalnorth. Features wouldn't work on its own as a revert would lose the live config. |
| [01:15:38] | <ergonlogic> | colan: isn't the point of a revert to overwrite the live config? |
| [01:16:37] | <colan> | ergonlogic: not if you want to keep it. ;) |
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| [01:16:51] | <colan> | if the client makes config changes, you probably don't want to drop those. |
| [01:17:30] | <colan> | they're going to have their own site name, for example, that wouldn't match the profile. |
| [01:17:54] | <ergonlogic> | well, no, you wouldn't put *that* into a feature |
| [01:18:02] | <colan> | also, they could have added content types, fields, etc. |
| [01:19:01] | <colan> | the point is that they'd be forking the original config. |
| [01:19:13] | <ergonlogic> | config_update ought only care about specific config, not all of it |
| [01:19:28] | <ergonlogic> | there's some that you do want to control though |
| [01:19:47] | <ergonlogic> | anything functional, basically |
| [01:20:17] | <colan> | i need to look into that more, but it's hard to figure out where to split that stuff. so was thinking it would be best to control all of it, and then merge. |
| [01:21:59] | <ergonlogic> | I think the issues are orthogonal, though |
| [01:22:37] | <ergonlogic> | features/config_update could be used where you do want to enforce a specific set of config |
| [01:23:32] | <ergonlogic> | the trivial example we'd discussed was a bug in a view. Say a broken 'edit' link to something |
| [01:23:59] | <ergonlogic> | we'd want to be able to push a change to fix that |
| [01:24:33] | <colan> | ah, but i'm thinking i don't want to enforce any of it. just provide new functionality from time to time. the client config rules. |
| [01:24:38] | <ergonlogic> | if the client has altered the view otherwise, in the mean time, then... |
| [01:25:04] | <colan> | the view bug example should work with this approach. |
| [01:25:24] | <colan> | if there's a conflict, then, that's the one problem we'd have to figure out. |
| [01:25:44] | <ergonlogic> | right, that's the tough part |
| [01:26:19] | <ergonlogic> | but even so, if you're planning to support your application, that'll become almost untenable if the client has free reign to change stuff |
| [01:26:43] | <ergonlogic> | also, they'd be able to break stuff, and not have a mechanism to 'un-break' it |
| [01:26:54] | <ergonlogic> | short of restoring a backup |
| [01:27:00] | <colan> | i didn't get too far in my proposed solution in the ticket, but was thinking we'd have conflicts/site.example.com/ where stuff can be fixed after the task fails. |
| [01:27:03] | <ergonlogic> | which'd also revert content |
| [01:27:34] | <colan> | ergonlogic: well, they can't control everything. most config stuff would be restricted by code. |
| [01:27:46] | <colan> | so they would only be allowed to change some stuff. |
| [01:28:08] | <colan> | wouldn't be able to change permisssions for example. |
| [01:28:27] | <colan> | anyway, that's what i was thinking. |
| [01:29:02] | <ergonlogic> | right |
| [01:29:04] | <colan> | better ideas welcome :) |
| [01:30:06] | <ergonlogic> | one solution might be to suggest forking the feature they want to change. |
| [01:30:15] | <ergonlogic> | as in cloning a view, and altering that |
| [01:31:02] | <ergonlogic> | they still wouldn't get fixes for broken stuff that was fixed after their fork, but at least the stuff you ship with can be maintained |
| [01:31:25] | <ergonlogic> | that'd also present a reasonable limit to the support you're providing |
| [01:39:41] | <ergonlogic> | also, wow: We've already got 20 attendees registered for the Aegir Deep Dive training in Washington, DC |
| [01:40:08] | <ergonlogic> | I wonder if I should raise the limit of 25 that I'd set... |
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| [03:21:14] | <colan> | if you can take more people, why not? |
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| [04:49:39] | <helmo> | Aegir hosting system 3.6 released! http://docs.aegirproject.org/en/3.x/release-notes/3.6/ | Planning for AegirNG has begun: http://tinyurl.com/aegirng | IRC Logs: https://hefring.mig5.net/bot/log/aegir | Scrum/Coop: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/ergonlogic.com/aegir-co-op |
| [04:54:07] | <ergonlogic> | helmo: nice! |
| [04:57:20] | <anarcat> | excellent release notes, i am glad that those things kept going well :) |
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| [05:00:36] | <ergonlogic> | we learned that from you :) |
| [05:00:43] | <ergonlogic> | at least, I did |
| [05:03:15] | <ergonlogic> | sorry, mic issues |
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| [05:05:25] | * colan is Requesting to join the video call... |
| [05:06:28] | <ergonlogic> | still trying |
| [05:07:11] | <colan> | nm. found it. |
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| [05:13:25] | * anarcat blushes |
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| [05:39:19] | <ergonlogic> | https://pad.riseup.net/p/aegir.coop-meeting |
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| [05:44:11] | <ergonlogic> | We're starting the scrum a bit early |
| [05:44:24] | <ergonlogic> | https://appear.in/aegir |
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| [06:00:43] | <cweagans> | ohai |
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| [06:40:16] | <niccolox> | hi everyone, mobomo has confirmed they will keynote the Aegir Summit 2016 at the United Nations July 10 http://nyccamp.org/summit/aegir-summit-2016 |
| [06:40:34] | <niccolox> | the theme of this years event is DIY GPL Planet Scale Drupal Cloud |
| [06:40:39] | <niccolox> | cheers |
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| [06:42:36] | <helmo> | niccolox: nice |
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