| [10:10:54] | * formatC_vt has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) |
| [10:28:40] | * gandhiano has joined #aegir |
| [11:08:13] | * gandhiano has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) |
| [11:42:37] | * mstenta has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| [12:03:33] | * g1i7ch has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) |
| [12:04:25] | * g1i7ch has joined #aegir |
| [13:10:30] | * hefring has joined #aegir |
| [13:19:57] | * spidey_ has quit (Quit: leaving) |
| [13:46:25] | * gusaus has quit (Quit: gusaus) |
| [14:11:33] | * g1i7ch has quit (Quit: Leaving) |
| [16:34:58] | * julienfayad has joined #aegir |
| [16:40:13] | * julienfayad has quit (Quit: julienfayad) |
| [16:40:16] | * stijnvbrande has joined #aegir |
| [17:00:41] | * julienfayad has joined #aegir |
| [17:04:51] | * julienfayad has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| [17:05:55] | * julienfayad has joined #aegir |
| [17:28:06] | * julienfayad has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| [18:52:34] | <helmo> | jonpugh: I have 3 issue in https://www.drupal.org/project/issues/hosting_logs that would bennefit from a quick review by you :) |
| [19:51:45] | * gandhiano has joined #aegir |
| [20:06:51] | * boshtian has joined #aegir |
| [20:46:04] | * gandhiano has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| [21:07:39] | * stijnvbrande has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| [21:09:00] | * stijnvbrande has joined #aegir |
| [21:44:13] | * mstenta has joined #aegir |
| [21:54:10] | * gandhiano has joined #aegir |
| [22:30:04] | * zombiebeard has joined #aegir |
| [23:13:33] | * memtkmcc has joined #aegir |
| [23:28:56] | <memtkmcc> | hefring: tell jonpugh, colan -- not sure what you meant by 'no comment' in this context, but important parts/tools of aegir project are hosted on the zeus machine we provide for almost 4 years, however for something like aegir coop it would be inappropriate to use third party hosting, not belonging to the coop directly, I think. By the way, hefring bot and its logs archive are still hosted on mig5 servers, I |
| [23:28:56] | <hefring> | memtkmcc: I'll pass that on when jonpugh is around. |
| [23:48:56] | <jonpugh> | memtkmcc: that's exactly what I was thinking :) |
| [23:48:56] | <hefring> | jonpugh: 20 min ago <memtkmcc> tell jonpugh, colan -- not sure what you meant by 'no comment' in this context, but important parts/tools of aegir project are hosted on the zeus machine we provide for almost 4 years, however for something like aegir coop it would be inappropriate to use third party hosting, not belonging to the coop directly, I think. By the way, hefring bot and its logs archive are still hosted on mig5 servers, I |
| [23:50:39] | <colan> | i was thinking we'd either pay for it, or do it ourselves. except for services like gitlab, which we neither have to manage nor pay for. the best option, IMHO. :) |
| [23:50:44] | <jonpugh> | I think the coop needs to start taking these things on itself, if we are to purport to be experts in self hosting. :D |
| [23:51:43] | <colan> | jonpugh: you do have a good point there philosophically. i'm just trying to reduce the amount of metawork we need to do. |
| [23:52:29] | <memtkmcc> | jonpugh: OK :) |
| [23:52:45] | <colan> | memtkmcc: i was just using you folks as an example of a hosted aegir solution that could be outsourced by the co-op. |
| [23:53:10] | <memtkmcc> | colan: some work is unavoidable, you know |
| [23:53:28] | <colan> | fair enough. |
| [23:54:23] | <colan> | it's the avoidable stuff we need to debate. :) |
| [23:55:08] | <colan> | but yeah, there's enough unavoidable stuff to focus on right now. |
| [23:55:35] | <memtkmcc> | colan: even if we are still Aegir-only host (now extending to host also Grav for small sites otherwise planning to move away from Drupal to WP, because Drupal 8 is just too big beast for them), it would still look rather weird to outsources coop hosting even to us, imo |
| [23:58:33] | <jonpugh> | Exactly. We are a coop. If we cant get a single member to offer hosting, then maybe we need new members ;) |
| [23:58:44] | <memtkmcc> | you want to build your professional identity, and it just doesn't look good that hosting system experts outsource their own hosting :) like, to pantheon or something ;) |
| [00:00:11] | <colan> | jonpugh: it could also be opendevshop :) |
| [00:02:35] | <memtkmcc> | colan: with all due respect, it should be pure, vanilla Aegir, unless Aegir core absorbs opendevshop as an option, which would be great, btw |
| [00:03:24] | <colan> | of course. i just meant another entity could do it. |
| [00:03:53] | <memtkmcc> | ah, right |
| [00:03:54] | <colan> | the co-op actually sells support, not hosting though. |
| [00:04:08] | <colan> | so hosting is not actually a core business. |
| [00:04:42] | <memtkmcc> | it is, even if not directly, because you support the… hosting system |
| [00:05:35] | <colan> | sigh. yes, true. |
| [00:08:40] | <viashimo> | what's involved in joining the co-op? we've been to busy to be involved much at this point, but it's something that ergonlogic approached us about & I think is interesting |
| [00:09:24] | <memtkmcc> | I mean, while for a hosting company it is OK to host Drupal, Wordpress, Magento and run its own site on Grav, or whatever, but for service dedicated to support system A, you simply must use it, and run your stuff under your control to be credible, and you can't then use system X or outsource it |
| [00:15:37] | <memtkmcc> | btw. it is exactly what Dries missed in his unfortunate jab against Pantheon due to not contributing to core. That is what happens when you run both Drupal agency (services) and Drupal hosting, you loose normal perspective and understanding that hosting and services are too distinct realities, with its own business logic |
| [00:17:59] | * boshtian has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| [00:18:01] | * FatherShawn has left #aegir ("Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com") |
| [00:54:32] | * hestenet has joined #aegir |
| [01:04:27] | * theMusician has joined #aegir |
| [01:09:32] | * gandhiano has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) |
| [01:58:52] | * theMusician has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) |
| [02:11:37] | * gandhiano has joined #aegir |
| [02:16:28] | * gandhiano has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) |
| [03:01:51] | * colan nods |
| [03:02:14] | <colan> | viashimo: there's some stuff at http://aegir.coop/by-laws/templates/membership/application2/, but would be good for you to talk to ergonlogic about it. |
| [03:26:38] | * stijnvbrande has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) |
| [04:10:23] | * flashpoint9 has joined #aegir |
| [04:50:22] | * flashpoint9 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) |
| [05:15:25] | * gusaus has joined #aegir |
| [06:03:02] | * mgann has joined #aegir |
| [06:18:17] | * FatherShawn has joined #aegir |
| [06:53:27] | * maelstrom has quit (Remote host closed the connection) |
| [06:57:01] | * hestenet has quit (Remote host closed the connection) |
| [07:58:20] | * hestenet has joined #aegir |
| [08:02:38] | * zombiebeard has quit (Quit: zombiebeard) |
| [09:14:47] | * hestenet has quit (Remote host closed the connection) |
| [09:48:09] | * memtkmcc has quit (Quit: Leaving.) |
| [09:57:39] | * mstenta has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) |
